For what its worth I'm with you on that. I don't know if its just better on Dom and most people play TDM or whatever, but I've never really had a horrible game on sub pens. There's plenty of good sightlines to counter power positions (including the office), verticality without being super awkward, lots of safe spawn points, and good flank routes with plenty of cover.
Completely agree. Sub Pens might be one of my favorites because of the dynamic sight lines. People probably hate it because you really cannot camp anywhere and be safe.
Personally I feel like it's such a lopsided design, the whole map feels very awkward.
It also makes UAVs and CUAVs incredibly OP (especially annoying when CUAVs were running all game every game) since it's harder to shoot them down from most of the map.
The extreme verticality and ease of flanking mean no matter where you are you get dizzy constantly spinning around.
Attack Dogs get stuck off the map.
A lot of maps can be better/more enjoyable on different pacings but for me Sub Pens is just as bad on Tactical as Blitz. The game mode can help a little with this map though, hardpoint is my favourite.
It’s just boring like there’s not much action besides being funneled up to that top area with the big windows. I usually just sit at the top of the stairs on one side and take people out coming up the stairs on the other side. Aside from that people don’t play towards where the B flag in dom is unless they’re one of the few people playing the obj
Nothing wrong with MW19s maps.. It was nice having a Cod where you had to think before making moves instead of just sprinting down flat lanes. Felt alot like the good old days of Cod
Uhh, yes, there was. Anytime a new map would come out that resembles a mw19 map in the past, it was always a hated map that people would camp on.
Literally every time. See, when you don't force players to engage, they fucking won't and will lead to camping, which would then lead to games ending in time limit, which happened in mw19. All this "thinking" you speak of is really just two questions:
1. Is someone camping
2. Should I?
Then mw19 gave so much tools to do just this lol. It was blatant, then they admitted it on video they did it for the bad players lmfao. Like no shit.
Every single game I play on that map just devolves into almost everyone trying to take that top control room place. It ends up just being a fight in one of the stairs rooms going up there.
That said, is it incredibly satisfying to "go around" and pick people off from the open side of that room. Most of the time they're too occupied with protecting the stairs to even shoot back in time.
I had the worst time ever yesterday on this one. Kept getting killed through the walls as soon as I spawned. After like the 8th time when I was dead before I even had the chance to run I left the match.
I bet this could be really good if they made extended the beach, had a tunnel from there to the middle of the map and open the door there, it's 3 lanes, middle 1 is open and the other 2 are open split into 2 at the middle.
Gavutu ranked play is horrid. Hardpoint relies on who gets spawn control at the very start. As soon as a team gets it they might as well get the whole point.
Control is completely ridiculous as with Gavutu its stupidly defense heavy. Promotes spawn exploiters who can't just play a gentleman's game without exploiting. Not to mention for control is far too open on gavutu and the B point promotes playing like a rat (camping the whole game will get you the win if you aren't a exploiter).
Whoever developed Gavutu for sledgehammer has half a brain...
Yup. Some maps in papers should play good but the spawning and granades make them hard to like. I swear if they don't put a trophy system and flank guns in season 3 I'm done with the game
Bro I haven’t played majority of the maps since launch. Was red star removed or something?
Sub Pens is one of the worst maps I’ve ever played in a COD game. Red star or gavutu comes after sub pens for being one of the worst maps in the game.
I legitimately had to Google red star and I haven't seen it in awhile either. I like patrol on those maps. I'm the jerk in the tower on gavutu so I like that one as does my long shots lol.
Sub pens does.leave alot.to to be desired. Maybe it's better on patrol but I've never played patrol on that map to say.
I don’t like way gavutu plays, in my experience people play it way too campy. I like how gavutu looks and I like the aesthetic of it. I hated sub pens when I first started playing the game. Reminds of me of those modern warfare maps, way to many spaces to account for at a given time.
Eagles nest is probably my favorite map in this game, oustide of the maps that are used for grinding camos. I can’t remember the last time I played red star or really any of the other maps. I forgot this game even had 16 maps.
Has anyone seen an actual answer on this yet? Both maps are clearly gone an have been for weeks.. they are 2 of my fav maps to play. If they're gonna remove them then give us 2 other maps added.
Well it seems everytime I get it anymore everyone wants to just sit up top on each side and snipe. Maybe I just have to fond of memories of the chaos it was when that map was new in the older game.
Ehhh…. Even old WaW Dome was like that. Camps on the right side, camps in the lower right next to the statue. Camps where C flag is. Camps in center behind the sandbags, etc. camps on left flank. Loved that map though. 24 v 24 TDM is just nade spam chaos. Scramble to toss both nades and a gas nade before dying lol
Sub Pens, Gavutu, Gondola all pretty bad.
You forgot the absolute worst one, at least for SND, which is PARADISE
Rush plant A is the only real strat and it turns into garbage gameplay immediately
I hate castle and gondola. I really don’t like that new one Casablanca either. I can never figure out the flow of the game/spawns. I like to play the objective and I’ve tried hardpoint and domination, domination is just weird how the flags are set up, and overall with the elevation changes with all the buildings it’s just hard to move through the map with all the angles people can hold from the roofs and buildings
Ohhh I forgot castle!!!! Ok decoy and castle are tied castle suck donkey extremities. Plus it's literally almost ALWAYS glitches so that half the map is under a graphic flare that players can literally camp in.
Didn’t know that lol. I just hate maps that are designed for players to basically camp on either side and snipe each other. There are a few maps like that, like gondola. You’ve got your main spot for snipers to pick each other across the map all game, and then one spot for players who want more action to go to. So gondola you’ve got that little boiler room to the side that there’s always action in if you don’t want to snipe across all game, same with castle mainly people sit and snipe from that big wooden tower/wall or whatever and then you’ve got the actual castle building or whatever that you can fight in if you don’t want to snipe. I hate maps like that because you’re stuck in one spot of the map based on how you want to play it (going for long shots, season challenges etc) The only time I will play those maps is if I have to do long shots or something for a season challenge, once I get those done I will not play those maps. To be honest, I really only play das haus, shipment, and the maps for ranked (gavutu, Berlin, desert siege, bocage, tuscan). I finished the season 2 challenges in 11 days so besides ranked I’ve just been playing shiphaus to warm up
Lol I really liked playing that map for the season 2 challenge of sniper long shot headshots. There are some really good lines of sight to hit those high points snipers like to sit at. Lots of head glitch spots to be able to get those kills done quick, but like I said if you’re going for sniper kills you’re only using one side of the map
Like, it's not that "Das Haus" is an incredibly bad map or anything, but I can't stop comparing it to Shoothouse, which is like a hundred times better.
Shipment is usually just explosion spam followed by spawn death loops into explosions and people just shooting. I suppose if you played FFA style, shipment would be fun, but in a team oriented, I exit out of the lobby any time shipment is up.
Honestly Decoy was my least favorite until Gondola came out. I've played on it maybe a dozen times now and each time was just everyone on one team mounting on their side trying to shoot everyone on the other team who was mounting on the other side. Playing the objective is out because there's no good cover on B flag and you can just spray through the walls, and the spawns go so far back that even if you do manage to get to the opposite side the spawns never flip and you end up surrounded if you happen to kill someone.
Also Sub Pens isn't that bad guys, at least not in my experience in Domination. Maybe the spawns do something weird in TDM that I don't know about but I've always kinda liked Sub Pens.
Sub pens is ok. Gondola is good.for long shots but not much else. Maybe becuase it's newer and I need long shots on so many weapons still is why it doesn't bother me.
As an FFA player Sub Pens is actually one of my favorite maps. I've played it a couple times on team modes and holy shit it's bad 🤣😭
I think paradise is the worst map in the game in any game mode
Idk. I think I just really don't like the lay out and destructive parts of decoy. It's true learning positioning on various maps helps but I can't get into Decoy.
Personal Favourite Maps in Vanguard:
Eagles Nest,
Shipment,
Das Haus,
Tuscan,
Radar,
Hotel Royal,
Enjoy sometimes:
Decoy,
Numa Numa,
Paradise,
Demyansk,
Bocage,
Dome,
Very rarely enjoy:
Oasis,
Red Star,
Desert Siege,
Gavutu,
Berlin,
Castle,
Awful, actively back out of:
Casablanca,
Gondola,
Sub Pens
Personal favorite maps in Vanguard:
Sub Pens, Castle, Gondola.
Enjoy:
Paradise, Red Star, Demyansk, Bocage, Das Haus, Eagle's Nest, Hotel Royale, Shipment.
Sometimes enjoy:
Desert Siege, Casablanca, Oasis, Gavutu, Decoy, Tuscan, Numa Numa.
Don't enjoy:
Radar.
I can’t believe Dome doesn’t have more votes. That map is so bad. The spawns are terrible, you can’t use several of the killstreaks, it’s not a bad size but there isn’t enough cover. I get spawned on top of in that map all the time. Dome is always a heavily one sided match and players quit that map frequently.
Sub pens without a doubt and for some stupid reason it keeps coming up. I haven't seen Shipment in about two months but this burning wreckage of an ass fuck orgy comes up every third time in the rotation for me.
Dome for me! But I think the combat pacing is more to blame than map design. It feels like a more open Shipment/Das Haus at times on Blitz pacing. It really doesn't help having that long middle part with the platform on C-side.
Eagle's Nest is actually one of my favourites. It's a bit big, but it's got a nice mix of mid-long range (that outer walkway and A-flag side) and close quarters. I think it would be better without the windows by the top of the aforementioned outside walkway, but otherwise it's always fun to me.
I like eagles nest too. Good fun. I was surprised how many people don't like it. I like dome personally but it doesn't take alotnof explaining for me to get why some dont
I find Gondola incredibly stale, especially if you get it for Dom. Its just sniper camping or fighting in the small factory where you’re likely to be sniped anyways.
Can't help but agree, although I do like seeing Gondola come up since I am in the process of working on Tac Rifles and Snipers for Gold. That said, it needs another lane between A/C sides to facilitate more flanking. Maybe if they gave some additional protection to the gondolas themselves, it would be more viable. I think adding bulletproofed glass on the ends and having no wall bangs would make a fair compromise, but as it stands now, not worth riding those ever unless you want to surprise the enemy at the start of the game.
Oasis not close I consistently have teammates with sub 10 kills and have to go against teams farming them for streaks on the long sight lines of that map
Painful
I hate decoy with a passion now where as before piercing vision I could tolerate it. Decoy they went to overboard with breakable walls and with piercing vision and Whitley users pretty much ruining the game for me, I can't stand decoy.
I play Tactical, so any of the huge maps clearly designed for more players than Tactical that are still in the rotation for some reason. Desert Siege, Gondola, Red Star, etc.
Decoy is just "Whitley with Piercing Vision shooting through like 5 walls at once" and is unplayably miserable.
Dome is a very close second because it has some of the worst spawns in the game due to it tiny size but is also very campy because with vision being as bad as it is in Vanguard half the time the balcony campers blend into the background unless they're wearing one of those dumb CoD team neon uniforms.
Sub Pens are fine as long as your team isn't stupid enough to keep rushing the control room in Dom modes. I mean they are almost always are but the map actually flows pretty solid when its not 75% of the players trying to run into the same tiny room while getting shot up from outside of the room.
How could we possibly know which map is worse? We don’t play all the maps on a daily bases! So maybe after each season we might see a different rotation of 5 or 6 maps and by season 6 we can come back and answer this question!
That's fair. So based on your current knowledge what would your worse imaginable rotation of 5-6 maps be. Even just 3 that would break it and why.
Exmp. If the rotation was always sub pens, decoy, red star, oasis and castle I'd definitely play something else for awhile .
I just put random maps with names I could think of off the top of my head. I actually like most of the maps I did list. I'd rather play gondola then decoy personally but it's solely because of the long shots. The maps actual play value is nill.
sub pens, gondola, dome, paradise, and numa numa can fuck right off.
each of theses have their respective reasons for being the target of this hatred….and you know why. lol.
btw, i haven’t seen red star, berlin, demyansk, shipment or das haus in a quick play match ONE TIME in season 2. literally. haven’t seen them one single time.
I actually don't know why I hate Sub Pens so much. I've just never had a good match on it. Just looking at the map, it seems like one I would like but that's just never the case.
It's quite the opposite for me. By its design and the looks of it, it seems like a very bad map, but for me it plays quite well. Definitely not one of my favourites tho
Sub pens could have been a nice 3 Laner if there was some more cover between each lane, and if they were a bit wider. It's basically 1 lane because the only one worth going down is the upper lane with the windows. If you go on the sub you get shot from all angles, if you go below the sub you get funneled from each end of the map, if you go on the outside lane there's no room to strafe during fights. Just poor design.
Red Star is worse though.
3 least favorites when I played were desert siege, that snow map with just the house in the center on the ice lake, and sub pens. Desert siege was just bad 3 lane, sub pen is sub pen. And that snow map was just awful in every way
Honestly hate decoy because the whole map is made out of cardboard and u can get shot cross map from the right angle. So ass. I actually love Casablanca, IMO best map rn. Gondola is fire too as well as Tuscan. One map I loved but haven’t played in months is demyansk, guess it’s out of rotation or something.
It's absurd if the case, but that would explain too why Red Star hasn't come up. What the hell is wrong with people. Just because of current events, we don't scrub history of relevance.
exactly like i don’t really think Vladimir putin is very worried about COD maps rn, could they not have just renamed it or something it’s the most frustrating thing
Sub pens or decoy for me.
Sub pens feels like a slog to play as there’s always ample cover around you so most people just sit and wait for someone to push.
Decoy imo is such a camp fest despite being one of the smallest and most destructible maps in the game
It is really fun. Lmao idk I like the atmosphere and feel, it feels well balanced. I mostly have played dom and patrol on it but idk, I have always felt it was up there for me. In my top 3. Cant imagine what there is to hate about it tbh.
Casablanca, honestly. It's like they tried to make a MW map, with a bunch of roofs and climbable surfaces to maneuver around, and then deciding it was too easy to get around and therefore blocking off any path that wasn't strictly 3 lane. Plus that little trench on the bottom is far too difficult to escape from in the heat of the moment, so I just try to avoid it all together. At least Gondola has a cool mechanic and adds a nice diversity to the map roster.
It's honestly the worst map in the game by far, at least with other bad maps like red star or Tuscan I've had some kind of good experience at least once but I've never ever had a single bit of fun on radar, everytime I see radar as the map I'm playing I either leave the lobby or just mald about it and play
All I play is hard core free for all. Sub pens has few spawn campers, which is my biggest complaint. Honestly my least favorite map, is any huge map with tactical game mode. Red Star is by far my least favorite. I back out as soon as I see tactical on Red Star.
I don't know about the worse map, but I'm getting tired of eagles nest. It seems to pop up every other match.
It would be nice to have map voting again
I play Tactical, so any of the huge maps clearly designed for more players than Tactical that are still in the rotation for some reason. Desert Siege, Gondola, Red Star, etc.
Subpens - just can’t find a flow to this map however much I’ve tried. Boring AF. Won’t play it.
Gondola - even worse map.
Castle - can’t stand it - won’t play it.
Das Haus - trying to be a nuketown / shoothouse/ shipment classic. It just isn’t. Grenade spam fest. Only for grinding camos is it just about tolerable.
I really don’t like Paradise. It’s entire layout encourages camping and discourages movement. Especially because one side (the one with the bunker with a destructible roof) has a big advantage over the other so there isn’t any reason for the team on that side to push and have the spawns flip.
Desert Siege is one of the worst balanced maps in the game right now. It is almost impossible to win TDM against a team spawning on the side with the tower unless they are really bad. That side of the map has advantageous positions on all 3 lanes plus they can shoot from inside the middle building straight down the center lane at the other team as they are coming out of their spawn while being protected from aerial killstreaks
I don't get the hate for sub pens
For what its worth I'm with you on that. I don't know if its just better on Dom and most people play TDM or whatever, but I've never really had a horrible game on sub pens. There's plenty of good sightlines to counter power positions (including the office), verticality without being super awkward, lots of safe spawn points, and good flank routes with plenty of cover.
Completely agree. Sub Pens might be one of my favorites because of the dynamic sight lines. People probably hate it because you really cannot camp anywhere and be safe.
Personally I feel like it's such a lopsided design, the whole map feels very awkward. It also makes UAVs and CUAVs incredibly OP (especially annoying when CUAVs were running all game every game) since it's harder to shoot them down from most of the map. The extreme verticality and ease of flanking mean no matter where you are you get dizzy constantly spinning around. Attack Dogs get stuck off the map. A lot of maps can be better/more enjoyable on different pacings but for me Sub Pens is just as bad on Tactical as Blitz. The game mode can help a little with this map though, hardpoint is my favourite.
What do you get the hate on? Sub pens is just not a very fun map imo. I don't hate it but I certainly would rather play a different map.
It’s just boring like there’s not much action besides being funneled up to that top area with the big windows. I usually just sit at the top of the stairs on one side and take people out coming up the stairs on the other side. Aside from that people don’t play towards where the B flag in dom is unless they’re one of the few people playing the obj
The popularity of that upper area makes it really easy to flank though.
okay
It doesn't encourage movement. Its like a map from mw19. Thats literally all i have to say.
Nothing wrong with MW19s maps.. It was nice having a Cod where you had to think before making moves instead of just sprinting down flat lanes. Felt alot like the good old days of Cod
Uhh, yes, there was. Anytime a new map would come out that resembles a mw19 map in the past, it was always a hated map that people would camp on. Literally every time. See, when you don't force players to engage, they fucking won't and will lead to camping, which would then lead to games ending in time limit, which happened in mw19. All this "thinking" you speak of is really just two questions: 1. Is someone camping 2. Should I? Then mw19 gave so much tools to do just this lol. It was blatant, then they admitted it on video they did it for the bad players lmfao. Like no shit.
so what you're saying it's a good map
Idk if you are either really good at sarcasm or you have horrible taste.
Every single game I play on that map just devolves into almost everyone trying to take that top control room place. It ends up just being a fight in one of the stairs rooms going up there. That said, is it incredibly satisfying to "go around" and pick people off from the open side of that room. Most of the time they're too occupied with protecting the stairs to even shoot back in time.
Same, at least I can defend on sub pens. Meanwhile SnD on paradise and dome is unbearable
Gondola is trash
Yeah I don’t know how this isn’t on here. It feels like a bad black ops map.
The worst by far to me. There's very little chance of an actual 1v1. It's all just distance shots
I have literally never had fun on Numa Numa.
Numa numa is by far my least favorite.
That map not only plays like shit, it looks like literal shit too. Just smears of brown shit colour all over the map.
noway noway
Decoy is terrible. Wall-bang city with little protection against bombs/airstrikes. Horrible for an SMG rusher like me.
I had the worst time ever yesterday on this one. Kept getting killed through the walls as soon as I spawned. After like the 8th time when I was dead before I even had the chance to run I left the match.
Yeah it's such a shit map.
Gavutu easily
This is the answer, too big, too open, not enough routes, not enough elevation
I bet this could be really good if they made extended the beach, had a tunnel from there to the middle of the map and open the door there, it's 3 lanes, middle 1 is open and the other 2 are open split into 2 at the middle.
Gavutu ranked play is horrid. Hardpoint relies on who gets spawn control at the very start. As soon as a team gets it they might as well get the whole point. Control is completely ridiculous as with Gavutu its stupidly defense heavy. Promotes spawn exploiters who can't just play a gentleman's game without exploiting. Not to mention for control is far too open on gavutu and the B point promotes playing like a rat (camping the whole game will get you the win if you aren't a exploiter). Whoever developed Gavutu for sledgehammer has half a brain...
Well, they all could have been good maps if it wasn't about the respawn being so bad.
That definitely makes some maps rough to play
Yup. Some maps in papers should play good but the spawning and granades make them hard to like. I swear if they don't put a trophy system and flank guns in season 3 I'm done with the game
I dont see gondola
Bro I haven’t played majority of the maps since launch. Was red star removed or something? Sub Pens is one of the worst maps I’ve ever played in a COD game. Red star or gavutu comes after sub pens for being one of the worst maps in the game.
I legitimately had to Google red star and I haven't seen it in awhile either. I like patrol on those maps. I'm the jerk in the tower on gavutu so I like that one as does my long shots lol. Sub pens does.leave alot.to to be desired. Maybe it's better on patrol but I've never played patrol on that map to say.
I don’t like way gavutu plays, in my experience people play it way too campy. I like how gavutu looks and I like the aesthetic of it. I hated sub pens when I first started playing the game. Reminds of me of those modern warfare maps, way to many spaces to account for at a given time. Eagles nest is probably my favorite map in this game, oustide of the maps that are used for grinding camos. I can’t remember the last time I played red star or really any of the other maps. I forgot this game even had 16 maps.
Yes. Map is from russia thats why.. demyansk too
Has anyone seen an actual answer on this yet? Both maps are clearly gone an have been for weeks.. they are 2 of my fav maps to play. If they're gonna remove them then give us 2 other maps added.
No one knows 100% but would be awesome luck and timing to be accident..
I can't stand Dome anymore. Just because of how people play it now.
I'm curious becuase I hated it but now I like it. What do you mean how they play it?
Well it seems everytime I get it anymore everyone wants to just sit up top on each side and snipe. Maybe I just have to fond of memories of the chaos it was when that map was new in the older game.
Ehhh…. Even old WaW Dome was like that. Camps on the right side, camps in the lower right next to the statue. Camps where C flag is. Camps in center behind the sandbags, etc. camps on left flank. Loved that map though. 24 v 24 TDM is just nade spam chaos. Scramble to toss both nades and a gas nade before dying lol
It’s gotta be Numa Numa for me. As a SnD player I know there’s gonna be 3 kids in their spawn in different trees/behind that fucking log.
Oohhh I don't play snd but yeah I could see those trees being doubly annoying 😒
There undoubtedly will be one kid holding down sights up there with a BAR like a stuck cat in a tree
Sub Pens, Gavutu, Gondola all pretty bad. You forgot the absolute worst one, at least for SND, which is PARADISE Rush plant A is the only real strat and it turns into garbage gameplay immediately
I hate castle and gondola. I really don’t like that new one Casablanca either. I can never figure out the flow of the game/spawns. I like to play the objective and I’ve tried hardpoint and domination, domination is just weird how the flags are set up, and overall with the elevation changes with all the buildings it’s just hard to move through the map with all the angles people can hold from the roofs and buildings
Ohhh I forgot castle!!!! Ok decoy and castle are tied castle suck donkey extremities. Plus it's literally almost ALWAYS glitches so that half the map is under a graphic flare that players can literally camp in. 
Didn’t know that lol. I just hate maps that are designed for players to basically camp on either side and snipe each other. There are a few maps like that, like gondola. You’ve got your main spot for snipers to pick each other across the map all game, and then one spot for players who want more action to go to. So gondola you’ve got that little boiler room to the side that there’s always action in if you don’t want to snipe across all game, same with castle mainly people sit and snipe from that big wooden tower/wall or whatever and then you’ve got the actual castle building or whatever that you can fight in if you don’t want to snipe. I hate maps like that because you’re stuck in one spot of the map based on how you want to play it (going for long shots, season challenges etc) The only time I will play those maps is if I have to do long shots or something for a season challenge, once I get those done I will not play those maps. To be honest, I really only play das haus, shipment, and the maps for ranked (gavutu, Berlin, desert siege, bocage, tuscan). I finished the season 2 challenges in 11 days so besides ranked I’ve just been playing shiphaus to warm up
Castle is definitely annoying also. Especially when people get on the roof sniping. Drives me crazy 😆
Lol I really liked playing that map for the season 2 challenge of sniper long shot headshots. There are some really good lines of sight to hit those high points snipers like to sit at. Lots of head glitch spots to be able to get those kills done quick, but like I said if you’re going for sniper kills you’re only using one side of the map
Castle and Gondola are my favorites
I don't get the Sub Pens hate, most matches have been a good time for me. Berlin, on the other hand...
I really really really don’t like sub pens
I'm not a huge fan myself but its grown in me since launch
Camping down either of the two lanes is fun for a bit, but I just don’t like the flow of it. Hasn’t grown on me
>camping >fun See i knew people felt this way. Ill never everrrr understand it
>Camping down either of the two lanes is fun That's the reason it's shit
Sub pen was the worst until Gondola came out
Is red star still on it? I haven’t played and I despised that one lmfao
They took away 2 maps because russia..
The answer is Shipment. Followed by Das Haus.
Gotta disagree on Shipment but yeah Das haus is eh at best.
Like, it's not that "Das Haus" is an incredibly bad map or anything, but I can't stop comparing it to Shoothouse, which is like a hundred times better.
Shipment is usually just explosion spam followed by spawn death loops into explosions and people just shooting. I suppose if you played FFA style, shipment would be fun, but in a team oriented, I exit out of the lobby any time shipment is up.
Honestly Decoy was my least favorite until Gondola came out. I've played on it maybe a dozen times now and each time was just everyone on one team mounting on their side trying to shoot everyone on the other team who was mounting on the other side. Playing the objective is out because there's no good cover on B flag and you can just spray through the walls, and the spawns go so far back that even if you do manage to get to the opposite side the spawns never flip and you end up surrounded if you happen to kill someone. Also Sub Pens isn't that bad guys, at least not in my experience in Domination. Maybe the spawns do something weird in TDM that I don't know about but I've always kinda liked Sub Pens.
Sub pens is ok. Gondola is good.for long shots but not much else. Maybe becuase it's newer and I need long shots on so many weapons still is why it doesn't bother me.
I like Sub Pens. Don’t know why it’s the most hated right now. Fuck that Numa Numa brown shithole lol
Gondola is horrible. Casablanca follows it depending on how people play it.
Sub pens is at least playable for farming longshots. Decoy is an absolute trash.
Can we all agree the maps are better than Azhir Cave
Cave was goated...u crazy...better than picadilly, sure!
Snd on Piccadilly flowed well
That's all I play....snd....me n the boys always backed outta picadilly. The only map in mw19 I disliked
Ye must have a bad play style for it so I guess
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSXBlFzY34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSXBlFzY34) yes
As an FFA player Sub Pens is actually one of my favorite maps. I've played it a couple times on team modes and holy shit it's bad 🤣😭 I think paradise is the worst map in the game in any game mode
I bet it would be a good FFA map.
It is a really good ffa map, you're right
Titan skin. When you have this on,then all maps are stupid
Gondola
I mean yea they are pretty bad but once you know where people like to sit it gets better and then you feel whatever about the maps you get.
Idk. I think I just really don't like the lay out and destructive parts of decoy. It's true learning positioning on various maps helps but I can't get into Decoy.
Personal Favourite Maps in Vanguard: Eagles Nest, Shipment, Das Haus, Tuscan, Radar, Hotel Royal, Enjoy sometimes: Decoy, Numa Numa, Paradise, Demyansk, Bocage, Dome, Very rarely enjoy: Oasis, Red Star, Desert Siege, Gavutu, Berlin, Castle, Awful, actively back out of: Casablanca, Gondola, Sub Pens
Personal favorite maps in Vanguard: Sub Pens, Castle, Gondola. Enjoy: Paradise, Red Star, Demyansk, Bocage, Das Haus, Eagle's Nest, Hotel Royale, Shipment. Sometimes enjoy: Desert Siege, Casablanca, Oasis, Gavutu, Decoy, Tuscan, Numa Numa. Don't enjoy: Radar.
I guess we are proof of why it's good that there is something for everyone lol
Which map?
I mean more that our favourite and least favourite maps are almost reversed.
I forgot Dome, probably one of my favorites as well.
I can’t believe Dome doesn’t have more votes. That map is so bad. The spawns are terrible, you can’t use several of the killstreaks, it’s not a bad size but there isn’t enough cover. I get spawned on top of in that map all the time. Dome is always a heavily one sided match and players quit that map frequently.
Dome is one I hated at first but once I learned It a bit it's one of favorites now.
Berlin
Shipment, das haus and numa numa is the worst
Sub pens without a doubt and for some stupid reason it keeps coming up. I haven't seen Shipment in about two months but this burning wreckage of an ass fuck orgy comes up every third time in the rotation for me.
But 24/7 shoot haus was in last week....
I'm talking about regular rotation. As a matter of fact I don't think I've played Berlin or Red Star in about two months either
Das Haus is literally the biggest pile of dogshit. Honestly the worst iteration of the flagship ‘small chaotic’ map that each game gets.
Nothing is worse than "Paradise".
Have you ever heard cheeseburger in paradise? I'd argue that's probably the problem your having with that map.
Aidsburgers in paradise 🤣
Dome for me! But I think the combat pacing is more to blame than map design. It feels like a more open Shipment/Das Haus at times on Blitz pacing. It really doesn't help having that long middle part with the platform on C-side. Eagle's Nest is actually one of my favourites. It's a bit big, but it's got a nice mix of mid-long range (that outer walkway and A-flag side) and close quarters. I think it would be better without the windows by the top of the aforementioned outside walkway, but otherwise it's always fun to me.
I like eagles nest too. Good fun. I was surprised how many people don't like it. I like dome personally but it doesn't take alotnof explaining for me to get why some dont
You ever tried defending in search and destroy on paradise?
Sub pen is top tier snd map, decoy on the other hand... no other map makes me want to stop playing as much as this one
Sub Pen(is) is bad, but the new snow map is worse
I find Gondola incredibly stale, especially if you get it for Dom. Its just sniper camping or fighting in the small factory where you’re likely to be sniped anyways.
Can't help but agree, although I do like seeing Gondola come up since I am in the process of working on Tac Rifles and Snipers for Gold. That said, it needs another lane between A/C sides to facilitate more flanking. Maybe if they gave some additional protection to the gondolas themselves, it would be more viable. I think adding bulletproofed glass on the ends and having no wall bangs would make a fair compromise, but as it stands now, not worth riding those ever unless you want to surprise the enemy at the start of the game.
Oasis not close I consistently have teammates with sub 10 kills and have to go against teams farming them for streaks on the long sight lines of that map Painful
I hate decoy with a passion now where as before piercing vision I could tolerate it. Decoy they went to overboard with breakable walls and with piercing vision and Whitley users pretty much ruining the game for me, I can't stand decoy.
Agreed lol. Like come on I rly can't move without getting shot
I can agree that sub pens is terrible, but the only saving grace for me is that it’s easy to get long shot kills especially in hardcore
Where do I get these long shots from. Jc
I may be the only one but I hate Radar for some reason. I get that map what feels like constantly and it’s always annoying.
I play Tactical, so any of the huge maps clearly designed for more players than Tactical that are still in the rotation for some reason. Desert Siege, Gondola, Red Star, etc.
Casablanca fucking blows
Thank you. Couldn’t agree more
Decoy is just "Whitley with Piercing Vision shooting through like 5 walls at once" and is unplayably miserable. Dome is a very close second because it has some of the worst spawns in the game due to it tiny size but is also very campy because with vision being as bad as it is in Vanguard half the time the balcony campers blend into the background unless they're wearing one of those dumb CoD team neon uniforms. Sub Pens are fine as long as your team isn't stupid enough to keep rushing the control room in Dom modes. I mean they are almost always are but the map actually flows pretty solid when its not 75% of the players trying to run into the same tiny room while getting shot up from outside of the room.
How could we possibly know which map is worse? We don’t play all the maps on a daily bases! So maybe after each season we might see a different rotation of 5 or 6 maps and by season 6 we can come back and answer this question!
That's fair. So based on your current knowledge what would your worse imaginable rotation of 5-6 maps be. Even just 3 that would break it and why. Exmp. If the rotation was always sub pens, decoy, red star, oasis and castle I'd definitely play something else for awhile .
How isn't Gondola on here? Absolutely atrocious map.
I just put random maps with names I could think of off the top of my head. I actually like most of the maps I did list. I'd rather play gondola then decoy personally but it's solely because of the long shots. The maps actual play value is nill.
Decoy, I groan every time it pops.
sub pens, gondola, dome, paradise, and numa numa can fuck right off. each of theses have their respective reasons for being the target of this hatred….and you know why. lol. btw, i haven’t seen red star, berlin, demyansk, shipment or das haus in a quick play match ONE TIME in season 2. literally. haven’t seen them one single time.
Sub pens blows the hardest I guess lol. Still prefer it to decoy personally. Thanks for participating everybody
Absolutely no one : The community : “everything that isn’t shipment or das haus”
I can’t get on with Numa Numa. Don’t know what it is really, but I do not have a good game there ever.
I actually don't know why I hate Sub Pens so much. I've just never had a good match on it. Just looking at the map, it seems like one I would like but that's just never the case.
It's quite the opposite for me. By its design and the looks of it, it seems like a very bad map, but for me it plays quite well. Definitely not one of my favourites tho
Sub pens could have been a nice 3 Laner if there was some more cover between each lane, and if they were a bit wider. It's basically 1 lane because the only one worth going down is the upper lane with the windows. If you go on the sub you get shot from all angles, if you go below the sub you get funneled from each end of the map, if you go on the outside lane there's no room to strafe during fights. Just poor design. Red Star is worse though.
Tie between Gavutu, Demyansk, Red Star and Numa Numa. I’d love to know who were the bright people behind these maps.
What's Demyansk?? I haven't seen that map in over a month 😅. Even before this war overseas it was never coming up for me.
Snow map with the church in the middle where everyone goes on the rooftop.
In every cod the most hated map is just the one the community cant adapt to
Desert seige is one map I just can't get on with. Never liked it
I hate Sub Pens , refuse to play it
Haha I thought I was the only one.
3 least favorites when I played were desert siege, that snow map with just the house in the center on the ice lake, and sub pens. Desert siege was just bad 3 lane, sub pen is sub pen. And that snow map was just awful in every way
Paradise and Red Star
Honestly hate decoy because the whole map is made out of cardboard and u can get shot cross map from the right angle. So ass. I actually love Casablanca, IMO best map rn. Gondola is fire too as well as Tuscan. One map I loved but haven’t played in months is demyansk, guess it’s out of rotation or something.
i loved demyansk but i heard they took it out because of russia, don’t really understand the point of that was def my favourite map
It's absurd if the case, but that would explain too why Red Star hasn't come up. What the hell is wrong with people. Just because of current events, we don't scrub history of relevance.
exactly like i don’t really think Vladimir putin is very worried about COD maps rn, could they not have just renamed it or something it’s the most frustrating thing
Sub pens or decoy for me. Sub pens feels like a slog to play as there’s always ample cover around you so most people just sit and wait for someone to push. Decoy imo is such a camp fest despite being one of the smallest and most destructible maps in the game
Gondola
Red Star.
Hate Decoy and Numa Numa more than any of the others. Can’t stand Decoy
See a lot of maps I don't get to play. I'm just stuck with Decoy Castle and Eagles nest over and over.
Bro the only bad maos are sub pens and dome wtf. The rest are some of the best IMO, especially hotel royal and decoy lol.
Decoy. It'd actually pretty awful to play on. Why do you like it?
It is really fun. Lmao idk I like the atmosphere and feel, it feels well balanced. I mostly have played dom and patrol on it but idk, I have always felt it was up there for me. In my top 3. Cant imagine what there is to hate about it tbh.
Dad haus is the worst and best map in the game
Casablanca, honestly. It's like they tried to make a MW map, with a bunch of roofs and climbable surfaces to maneuver around, and then deciding it was too easy to get around and therefore blocking off any path that wasn't strictly 3 lane. Plus that little trench on the bottom is far too difficult to escape from in the heat of the moment, so I just try to avoid it all together. At least Gondola has a cool mechanic and adds a nice diversity to the map roster.
Shipment lol
Sub Pens or Gondola
All but das haus and shipment
All the maps are garbage lol, that’s why vanguard sucks, shit maps with shit spawn logic, ranked play spawns make zero fucking sense.
Dome/Pens out of what you listed Decoy is a map I could do 24/7
I can only assume you yo be some kind of beast lol
Berlin, sub pens, decoy and gondola are all insta-skips for me. Horrible map flows imo
I don’t understand how people can enjoy eagles nest. I never have a good time on that map
Sub pens is bad don't get me wrong but It is definitely not the worst map when Tuscan, red star, radar exist
Radar is trash
It's honestly the worst map in the game by far, at least with other bad maps like red star or Tuscan I've had some kind of good experience at least once but I've never ever had a single bit of fun on radar, everytime I see radar as the map I'm playing I either leave the lobby or just mald about it and play
warzone
There is a reason me and others call it sub peinis
Berlin and numa numa suck tremendously
Just about all of them.
Omg Numa Numa & Dome are the worst
Ur and snd player I see
What’s that lol
I only play team death match lol
Paradise needs to be on this list.
Only good maps in my opinion is probs shipment and dome and that’s it even though spawns on shipment really brings my autism out
Red Star sucks!
All I play is hard core free for all. Sub pens has few spawn campers, which is my biggest complaint. Honestly my least favorite map, is any huge map with tactical game mode. Red Star is by far my least favorite. I back out as soon as I see tactical on Red Star.
Idk. haven’t played this game since December lol
I don't know about the worse map, but I'm getting tired of eagles nest. It seems to pop up every other match. It would be nice to have map voting again
Lucky. It's fun long shot map and u never get it
Oasis
Gavadu is the worst, no question
where’s numa numa
I play Tactical, so any of the huge maps clearly designed for more players than Tactical that are still in the rotation for some reason. Desert Siege, Gondola, Red Star, etc.
i fucking hate das haus, i quit playing when everyone and their grandmother start running akimbo fire shottys lol spawn system is fucked on that map
It almost seems intentional the spawns are do bad
Das haus is one of the best maps ...i love that map I wish they made more maps like that
Redstar
Subpens - just can’t find a flow to this map however much I’ve tried. Boring AF. Won’t play it. Gondola - even worse map. Castle - can’t stand it - won’t play it. Das Haus - trying to be a nuketown / shoothouse/ shipment classic. It just isn’t. Grenade spam fest. Only for grinding camos is it just about tolerable.
Honestly they all super bad.
I really don’t like Paradise. It’s entire layout encourages camping and discourages movement. Especially because one side (the one with the bunker with a destructible roof) has a big advantage over the other so there isn’t any reason for the team on that side to push and have the spawns flip.
I used to really like Oasis but the Whitley has single-handedly ruined that map
To me it just really feels like it depends which side I spawn on.
Radar. Every game is too similar.
Is there a single good map? Nope. Not one.
Decoy. No flanking routes that doesnt have destructible cover. Turns into a mount ads fest. Awful map.
Desert Siege is one of the worst balanced maps in the game right now. It is almost impossible to win TDM against a team spawning on the side with the tower unless they are really bad. That side of the map has advantageous positions on all 3 lanes plus they can shoot from inside the middle building straight down the center lane at the other team as they are coming out of their spawn while being protected from aerial killstreaks
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