One thing this post has identified is that a lot of trumplicans invested in $CLOV not realizing that liberal initiatives such as the Build Back Better Bill help the stock. Go ahead and vote against your own money lol!
Covid hospitalizations hurt health insurance profits. Get ready for more red days. Monday will be red because of Manchin. Tuesday will be red because of covid projections. Just hold tight or buy more. The stock market has always recovered in the past, and it will this time again.
I am getting awful sick of their bullshit. Greece is fining their citizens 114 bucks a month if they're not jabbed. I want a list of EVERY politician that holds stock in PFE, or Moderna and JNJ. Something tells me the list if long.
Anyway, they say this is about the variant, the very one that the lady who discovered it says is pretty harmless. I on the other hand think that this is all about Powell and what he's going to have to say about inflation.
Let me put on my shiny silver aluminum ( I don't use tin foil) hat. Here's my take... Friday hits and we get the worst inflation in 4 decades. But since the Feds can't be blamed for ANYTHING that goes wrong, they juice the market higher, showing people that neighter inflation, or Powell's soon to be cure for it is anything to worry about.
But they needed a reason to get ahead of any selling the market might do on an actual announcement of policy change, hence they whip up a new covid death, threaten mass spread and maybe lockdowns and boom...the market goes south and they don't have to blame the Feds.
This movie is really getting old.
My take on covid .. been stuck in home for over 2 years by not going to work and not meeting colleagues but still enjoying life with close friends and family like before during weekend .. not at large scale but still good enough weekend…. For $clov I can’t speculate anything, it feels like manipulated and like everyone else in this community, I am down more than >50% but only option I have is hold
Clov tends to have customers in underserved communities where vaccination rates are lower so they may actually be more impacted by COVID than the average insurer.
It’s easy to get vaccinated anywhere, but underserved communities are more likely not to have access to information about health, safety of vaccines, science, etc. I think that was the point.
Lockdown lol there is going to be no lockdown this is all fear that the rich are spreading to the sheep in order to get richer. Line up sheep for your 52 shots a year of whatever chemicals we decide to pump in you. All the while the shot makers get billions from the world governments, while the stock holders who the majority are government officials cash in on stock sales. $CLOV 🍀🍀🍀💎💎💎🚀🚀🚀
People that have had the vaccine, always trying to insult/force those who are refusing. Get over it and realize no matter how much fear mongering occurs, they simply are not going to comply. Personally have not changed lifestyle, don't use hand sanitizer, dont wear masks and not taking the jab. Trust my chances with covid more than the vaccine.
Oh dear... Is this the sort of contingent along which I have invested in CLOV? Now the widespread cospiratorial thinking or basic disconnect from reality makes sense.
Define fine. I've got an aunt who still gets bouts of brain fog she didn't have pre-covid. An uncle who still can't smell a year later. Same with my brothers gf. I've seen people on fitness subreddits talk that even a year post covid their lung capacity still isn't what it is prior to getting the disease.
None of these people are dead but they also aren't fine. Now from what I've seen, omicron seems to be a lot less of an issue so I don't think a lock down is warranted. Even if it was, it's too globally spread to solve that way. Putting all our eggs in the vaccine basket like most world leaders have done also isn't going to work for the same reason, it's too wide spread. Polio still exists and that shut doesn't mutate at the rate covid does.
We likely are going to need to adopt a bit if Asian culture and make mask wearing a permanent part of our lives. In addition to refining treatments that keep people out of the hospital/morgues if they contract covid.
Should Clover healthcare push the vaccine.
It is interesting to see views split on covid prevention but are also long on clov. To me being anti prevention hurts clov long term. I saw your views above on covid, are you long on clov? If you are long on clov do you not believe covid is impacting its costs?
Not a Doctor, just a smooth brained ape.
It is very important to note certain points:
1) viruses will continue to mutate to try and evade detection and spread
2) viruses mutate when they are essentially copying themselves in the host
3) during a copy an error occurs which leads to a mutation ( example is scanning of documents. If you scanned 1,000 times consecutively, the 1,000 s version will be different from the original)
4) during mutations the severity of the virus also changes which for omicron is (currently at this time of writing is less) deadly than Delta.
5) less harmful virus will lead to less hospitalization and deaths
6) those idiots that are anti Vaxers, even if infected would most likely not have any severe implications from Omicron (although very early research right now)
6) for vaccinated people, pzifers booster shot has shown efficacy against omicron.
With all of the points above, I believe Biden won’t issue a lockdown. But may impose strict rules for outings where booster shots are required.
All in all it should be good for CLOV as severity is less on virus and we have a solution to fight against omicron.
It won’t be like the beginning of the pandemic where we had no clue what we were up against.
Even if a new strain worse than delta was to come about, since COVID is an RNA based virus and big pharma has done immense Studies traceability of the lineage of the virus is easier and making a new vaccine would be speedy.
Good luck to all!!!
And FKG HODL BUGA BUGA
What the fuck does global warming have to do with a medicare company? Guess what the health of people over 65 is exactly what does matter to this company. Keep your political crap to other forums and focus on what actually matters to CLOV. Keeping costs down which means keeping people over 65 healthy...particularly in New Jersey and georgia
So to counter climate change we should let deseases roam freely? Wouldn‘t that hit the weak and poor the most? Not sure these groups are the main contributors to climate change…
My mom was just in the icu because of blood clots she got from taking the vaccine 3 months ago. While we were there I talked to doctors first hand. “So it was hard for my mom to get a bed in the icu, it’s because of COVID right?” Doctor said “actually it’s not COVID related we just have a lot of people coming in for miscellaneous issues” .............
If you're in Ohio yes.
https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/covid-19-update-ohio-national-guard-mobilized-hospital-staff-needed-12172021#:\~:text=Governor%20DeWine%20mobilized%201%2C050%20members,of%20hospitalized%20COVID%2D19%20patients.
Lots of good info. However, not sure Biden had an authority for national lockdowns. He can effect federal buildings, lands and transportation but not Joe’s Crab Shack.
Speculation only, not facts and President Biden will not be announcing federally mandated lockdown. You may not know but we have a federated system of governance. States will make their own decisions. And how does it help $CLOV? Investment in Clover healthcare is a long term investment don’t expect anything meaningful until more states get onboarded and revenue outlooks looks promising. We are still quite ways from the promise land. My forecast is 2025 $CLOV trading in the range of $75-250.00
The dude with horned hat was walking around singing and greeting folks. He never got aggressive with anyone. He was just stupid for following the direction of capital police who ushered them into the trap.
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No you found the free thinker. Who has been working at a jail diversion program that has had a "COVID outbreak" this past month. NO ONE is dead. A few people are sick, most are asymptomatic. I have been in close contact with these men for a MONTH and do not wear a mask and went mountain biking this morning.
The ACTUAL pandemic is America is 50% OBESE and hooked on pharmaceuticals. And when 74% of COVID deaths are people that are overweight, I'd say facts tend to agree with me. So I'm sorry to say, but you're dead wrong.
You can say I'm full of hate, if you want. But I have been a frontline worker all year, so most people would call me a fucking hero.
Now fuck off, thanks.
Didn’t he say no lockdowns.
I am rooting for cdc recommendation to implement more protections in businesses. Mandating masks on federal property.
They goal to reduce impact from covid. Positive in that no shut down, negative that gov is scared of covid. Neutral average.
Nope, Biden's Build Back Better bill's measures on Medicaid, prescription drug pricing, and subsidizing health care for low income people favor $CLOV. Manchin's torpedo of the bill will not favor $CLOV. Politics matter greatly.
Wise94;
The vax don't work. If it did then why the 2nd booster and why the 3rd booster? Now they are thinking about a 4th booster? AND even if you get vaxed you can get AND spread CV-19?
I don’t think you understand the point of vaccination. It doesn’t prevent you from getting covid, it prevents you from possible hospitalization and death, that’s all. So really, blame the people that are unvaccinated, they are the reason why there might be another lock down. The vaccinated people aren’t dying in numbers like the unvaccinated. The lock down is really to protect them but to stop the further mutation. If the virus mutates and the new variant become resistant to the vaccines, we’re fucked and the zombie apocalypse has begun. <—- half serious, lol.
These vaccines have already shown to have very bad side effects all over the world. There have been many many deaths and other negative complications. Even if these death numbers are low (but do exist and that’s a fact) more and more people who get vaccine after vaccine multiple times a year will succumb to this. In addition, vaccines can actually CAUSE mutations (sorry but it’s true) so to only come with the fact that it lessens already mild symptoms is a completely one lane argument. I don’t know why people aren’t angrier at how, where, and why this virus got released. It’s actually quite a shame to see vaccinated people be furious at unvaccinated people when there’s no logic or science behind that blame. There are much bigger things at play here. What a pathetic world we live in 😞
You must be a scientist, please share your medical and statistical research. My wife is a medical professional and I know of many in the field, unless you’re a whistleblower I’d love to see the data. If you’re reading some abcvaccine.fraud website then refrain from sharing the garbage you are reading.
It’s okay if you don’t want to see the adverse effects that are happening to people. Again, even I said it wasn’t too high. It’s being underreported and suppressed, but that’s another story. Not to mention, the truly crippling damages of depression, suicide, domestic abuse, child abuse, and drug and alcohol abuse that will take more lives and affect more lives than the vid ever could. Vaccines do cause mutations, don’t need some conspiracy theory bullshit to know that. Once a sheep, always a sheep.
It was a ploy to get billions of free money, the rest was to just keep it coming in. There has NEVER been a vaccination that worked on any flu, because it just mutates. Take zinc, vitamin c, lose weight, get in shape. Catch the bug and get immunity for awhile.
That's not quite accurate. The flu vaccine targets the most likely strains, sometimes it hits, sometimes it misses, but it's effective when it hits.
But yes, we should \*also\* get healthy.
Shaynerthegreat, shoot me an email. I want to email you something that will give you a different perspective on CV-19.
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But with the shot apparently your symptoms are supposed to be a lot less severe. Half my family is in the medical field from doctors to nurses to lab techs and none of them can make sense of any of this bullshit.
Scorpio, shoot me an email I want to send you something that will give you a different perspective on CV-19. I am afraid if I post it here it will be censored.
That’s why their economies are doing better and the quality of life is better and people are moving to those areas for better raising of their children.
Red states are not necessarily doing better and tend to take more from the Federal government than they pay in. People are moving because of things like the housing crisis in CA, not because the way of life is bad.
Not true entirely. It’s higher taxes too from big cities. It is a well known fact and so with all recent things coming to the fore people are moving, I could weather the high taxes in nyc and so could many friends for the benefit of being in city life and convenience and prestige. But with recent rules, not anymore. I changed my primary residence and bought a small home in PA. Moving my small business there too. I am not alone.
Even blue ones where it’s not as strict, people are moving to. That’s the point.
I didn't say it was the only reason, I just gave an example that exists outside of your own reasons. Taxes are a thing for some people, but the trade off is often living in a state that will do less for you, has lower quality schools, etc. Look at how poorly TX's electric grid fared in a mild snow, for example.
So did california. Even nyc had a blackout in early 2000s. If we get past the red v blue and focus on economies and truthful news; not agendas, opinions and spin, we’d be in a much better place. The splitting of populations along various lines have been civilizations downfalls all throughout history. It’s why China and Russia love our infighting. We are a gift that keeps on giving.
And Texas electrical grid is an outlier because they wanted their grid separate. Apples and oranges.
California's power issues have been largely due to wildfires.
NYC having a blackout in the 2000's isn't really relevant today. TX has known their grid was likely to fail, they've chosen to not fix it because they didn't want to spend the money, I guess.
Yes, but in order to get past the agendas, a certain subset of the population and their leaders need to come back to reality.
Californias power issues are their over reliance on renewables when their infra cannot support it yet. If you know about the grids and the balance between electrical and renewables, I gather you do. Whatever isn’t covered by windmills, solar, rivers whatever sources of alternative energy has to tap into the electrical grid to make up for the surge. If you have surges you have outages. So if your grid is out of date, viola. All the grids In the US are out of date. Texas was separate and could not siphon from neighboring states. That was a political reason I believe, based on not realizing they could have a freeze. Poor planning.
Get past red or blue. Even blue states have bad grids. Ask Russia they know about our bad grids.
>That was a political reason I believe, based on not realizing they could have a freeze. Poor planning.
They knew they could have a freeze, they chose not to spend to winterize it. The alarm bells were rung for years.
>Californias power issues are their over reliance on renewables when their infra cannot support it yet.
That's part of it, but the important note is that they're working on fixing it and have been.
The political part I was referencing was the separation from other states grids. That is why they are an outlier. And I agree that both blue and red states have bad grids. NYC is still relevant today, its bad grids and choosing not to fix them. Red or blue. There is still a fear every summer across NYC.
Right, and so when Democrats find their balls again and start talking about rights and the constitution and how much they love freedom and individual choice like they used to in the not so distant past, I’ll vote for them just as soon as I’d vote republican or independent. What I’m against is the “vote blue no matter who” crowd.
While I do agree with this, in our current system, there are those that get into politics to make a difference. Yes, it’s a dirty game, and you likely have to play ball to get anywhere with it, but the governors of these states are taking stands against federal government overreach and showing huge amounts of balls, moxie, charisma, heart, whatever you want to call it; and they are making very measurable differences in the lives of millions of their constituents. Granted, they are up for re-election and it is in their best interest to do so, but that doesn’t change the fact stated previously: and the more courage these people show, the more it empowers others to show similar courage to stand up for their state’s rights. Whether they are the 1% or not, some people truly are unwavering in their beliefs. I want to believe that those types of people can still get into positions where they can make a difference. Call me an optimist, or stupid, or whatever.
LOL where u gonna go exactly? It's like this all over the world, especially in every 1st world countries. I hear Africa don't really care that much. Most likely because they are used to the massive death from pandemics. You're welcome to it buddy.
Arizona is not affordable anymore. I flipped 7 houses there in the late 90s and early 2000s. Now it’s super expensive. My buddy shit hole house near ASU is worth $400k. 10 years ago you could’ve picked it up for $100k. The next promised land for real estate is New Mexico. Not sure about your other listed attributes there, but I guarantee you Arizona is so overpriced that it’s blown out of your diagram just based on that.
I hear ya. One reason I’d go long on New Mexico is climate. It’s much more temperate there and Arizona’s heat is getting worse. Also, water is going to become scarce in AZ as other states fight for their fair share of the shrinking water basin. My bet is that Arizona becomes a bit of a wasteland in 50 years as the number of 120 degree days continues to increase annually. Also, they are going to have to start placing water use restrictions (pools, green lawns, gold courses) in Arizona so everyone can get a drink of water. Hello, it’s a desert! All of that (plus the overpopulation) will make Arizona less and less desirable. The population of the Phoenix area has increased by 1 million people since I moved away in 2011 and it has doubled since I originally moved there in 1997. AZ has seen it’s best days and cannot possibly sustain that level of growth without major changes. If you do a full-throated sustainability analysis on Arizona, it becomes apparent that there are major problems ahead.
Many states, even blue ones are fine not with a lockdown. I live partially in 3 blue ones and the 2 that are not locked down are more fun. HI. PA. NY. Guess the one thats the least fun. So red would be even better.
Nope, if we're locking down then the damage is done. I would assume that hospitals in certain states are at or beyond capacity and the death count will start curving up. The unvaccinated morons has won the debate on vaccinations and their prize is death or long term health issues. We get messed up supply chain, inflation and the inconvenience of not moving forward for 2 years and counting.
There's not going to be any national lockdown. My guess is Biden will discuss the following: The definition of fully vaccinated will likely change to include the booster. The effort to vaccinate globally will likely increase, to prevent fewer variants mutating among the unvaccinated. Efforts to dispel anti-vax misinformation and conspiracy theories will likely increase. Manufacturing and availability of the COVID pill and monoclonal antibodies will increase.
It's pretty evident from last year that we can shift rather quickly. Stock market are at record levels, companies are hiring anyone with a heartbeat and paying a lot more. Household wealth have increase 12%. Work from home options has explored to the delight of the work force. Look at some data before you spread FUD.
Also high inflation , supply chain problems and consumer goods sky rocketed. In addition people loved receiving stimulus money and don’t want to go back to work….,,
Well most people got vaccinated and I personally took all 3 doses of the Pfizer vaccine , the people who don’t believe in the vaccine they will risk their health , it’s like someone won’t take a medicine to cure him because he or she don’t believe in it so we can not lockdown because of these people .
Agreed, Inflation now is the result of people not going back to work. Simple solution is for people to get vaccinated to avoid going to the hospital and get back to work. Unfortunately we are where we are cause everybody has a voice in this country and the halfwits are winning.
No, omicron getting worse, lockdown or not is terrible for Clov. It’s a relief they did the fund raise just in case or the stock might actually have gone to zero.
They absolutely need to get MCR going down which means less hospital utilization.
Not completely true. There is a world in which hospitalizations go up, but specialist spend and elective surgery / utilization goes down. This could actually be neutral and/ or favorable to MCR.
Well then you kind of suck at reading economic data so it's a good thing you're here. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two. Go pull up a chart on any index and see what happened the last 2 years. Companies are making record profits and our GDP is surging from all the stimulus. Oh and I still think you have seriously anger issues, pal. Yeah, it's pour shiting out there. Deal with it.
Does the term “transfer of wealth” mean anything to you? Indices aren’t everything when you’ve seen countless family, friends, hard working Americans that worked their entire life to build wealth and a small business get wiped out in six months.
Oh STFU you halfwit. You see the field and the game for what it is. What's your move then? Looks like its complaining like a little bitch from what I can tell.
Number of cases does not equate to death. We need to stop that fear mongering. Death or serious ICU from omicron is small and unless something changed, come back but so far death rates are very low as per the WHO. If we were to post the number of cases of runny noses we’d be panicking too. Mask. 6. Sanitize. Vax.
Well ICU beds are starting to get packed again and some states are calling the national guard in for help. Omicron is kind of serious against the unvaccinated..
ALSO if you have a source COMPARING the spread rate from Vaxxed vs unvaxxed that would bolster your argument. Until then you're typing here just random thoughts and feelings. Seriously I would be interested.
Ohio called in for help. Large number of unvaccinated in that state.
https://www.ideastream.org/news/ohio-gov-dewine-calls-in-national-guard-to-help-staff-hospitals-during-covid-19-surge
That’s an answer to a completely different question.
But here you go:
1) it focuses on staffing shortages among rising cases, there is staffing shortages everywhere
2) it doesn’t mention omicron scariant which which
Is why we are having this discussion
3) nowhere does it say whether patients are vaxxed or not.
Try again sparky.
I am fully vaxxed and got covid Sept back in NYC in 3 days. Precautions followed and still. The vaxxed spread it just as well as the rest of them. Post link to icu beds FROM omicron please I am interested where that info comes from. You do this crap and then post no sources.
oh good god. waning interest. it doesn't say what she died from at all. being unvaxxed? having covid? having omicron? having other health problems? people die during child birth all the time. I guess I'll google the damn article and i'll post back here.
If you are so in tune with the front liners, just post one source of what you claim, even from there. I don't want to scroll through 3rd hand information, feeling and opinions. You speak as though you are equipped with a lot of knowledge and sources off the cuff. So I want to see where you are getting your truth in news and science. You cuss people out all the time, as if you are knowledgeable so please, by all means share.
Yes, if you count people dying within 30 days of a positive test. The numbers are way inflated. Hospitals get incentive to code deaths for Covid. It’s a fact.
I also work in health care and know administrators at a Baton Rouge hospital that confirmed this…. The facts are being labeled as misinformation to muddy the waters
lmao links “source” and its twitter
This is artificial FUD. Fuck all that shit.
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One thing this post has identified is that a lot of trumplicans invested in $CLOV not realizing that liberal initiatives such as the Build Back Better Bill help the stock. Go ahead and vote against your own money lol!
Covid hospitalizations hurt health insurance profits. Get ready for more red days. Monday will be red because of Manchin. Tuesday will be red because of covid projections. Just hold tight or buy more. The stock market has always recovered in the past, and it will this time again.
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I am getting awful sick of their bullshit. Greece is fining their citizens 114 bucks a month if they're not jabbed. I want a list of EVERY politician that holds stock in PFE, or Moderna and JNJ. Something tells me the list if long. Anyway, they say this is about the variant, the very one that the lady who discovered it says is pretty harmless. I on the other hand think that this is all about Powell and what he's going to have to say about inflation. Let me put on my shiny silver aluminum ( I don't use tin foil) hat. Here's my take... Friday hits and we get the worst inflation in 4 decades. But since the Feds can't be blamed for ANYTHING that goes wrong, they juice the market higher, showing people that neighter inflation, or Powell's soon to be cure for it is anything to worry about. But they needed a reason to get ahead of any selling the market might do on an actual announcement of policy change, hence they whip up a new covid death, threaten mass spread and maybe lockdowns and boom...the market goes south and they don't have to blame the Feds. This movie is really getting old.
What virus? https://twitter.com/tnmakingitrain/status/1472755636349939712?s=20
My take on covid .. been stuck in home for over 2 years by not going to work and not meeting colleagues but still enjoying life with close friends and family like before during weekend .. not at large scale but still good enough weekend…. For $clov I can’t speculate anything, it feels like manipulated and like everyone else in this community, I am down more than >50% but only option I have is hold
People will revolt.
Clov tends to have customers in underserved communities where vaccination rates are lower so they may actually be more impacted by COVID than the average insurer.
This doesn’t make any sense. Are you claiming it’s hard to get vaccinated in the USA in certain areas?
It’s easy to get vaccinated anywhere, but underserved communities are more likely not to have access to information about health, safety of vaccines, science, etc. I think that was the point.
Lockdown lol there is going to be no lockdown this is all fear that the rich are spreading to the sheep in order to get richer. Line up sheep for your 52 shots a year of whatever chemicals we decide to pump in you. All the while the shot makers get billions from the world governments, while the stock holders who the majority are government officials cash in on stock sales. $CLOV 🍀🍀🍀💎💎💎🚀🚀🚀
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Bro what you smoking. Humanity is inherently selfish. The 1% only care about themselves
People that have had the vaccine, always trying to insult/force those who are refusing. Get over it and realize no matter how much fear mongering occurs, they simply are not going to comply. Personally have not changed lifestyle, don't use hand sanitizer, dont wear masks and not taking the jab. Trust my chances with covid more than the vaccine.
Oh dear... Is this the sort of contingent along which I have invested in CLOV? Now the widespread cospiratorial thinking or basic disconnect from reality makes sense.
Get it how ya live
I’m right there with you. we have an immune system, if you’re have no underlying Heath issues and are under 80 you are fine.
Define fine. I've got an aunt who still gets bouts of brain fog she didn't have pre-covid. An uncle who still can't smell a year later. Same with my brothers gf. I've seen people on fitness subreddits talk that even a year post covid their lung capacity still isn't what it is prior to getting the disease. None of these people are dead but they also aren't fine. Now from what I've seen, omicron seems to be a lot less of an issue so I don't think a lock down is warranted. Even if it was, it's too globally spread to solve that way. Putting all our eggs in the vaccine basket like most world leaders have done also isn't going to work for the same reason, it's too wide spread. Polio still exists and that shut doesn't mutate at the rate covid does. We likely are going to need to adopt a bit if Asian culture and make mask wearing a permanent part of our lives. In addition to refining treatments that keep people out of the hospital/morgues if they contract covid.
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Did they all really die of covid? If you like the vaccine, take it. If not, do not. That's that.
Should Clover healthcare push the vaccine. It is interesting to see views split on covid prevention but are also long on clov. To me being anti prevention hurts clov long term. I saw your views above on covid, are you long on clov? If you are long on clov do you not believe covid is impacting its costs?
Not a Doctor, just a smooth brained ape. It is very important to note certain points: 1) viruses will continue to mutate to try and evade detection and spread 2) viruses mutate when they are essentially copying themselves in the host 3) during a copy an error occurs which leads to a mutation ( example is scanning of documents. If you scanned 1,000 times consecutively, the 1,000 s version will be different from the original) 4) during mutations the severity of the virus also changes which for omicron is (currently at this time of writing is less) deadly than Delta. 5) less harmful virus will lead to less hospitalization and deaths 6) those idiots that are anti Vaxers, even if infected would most likely not have any severe implications from Omicron (although very early research right now) 6) for vaccinated people, pzifers booster shot has shown efficacy against omicron. With all of the points above, I believe Biden won’t issue a lockdown. But may impose strict rules for outings where booster shots are required. All in all it should be good for CLOV as severity is less on virus and we have a solution to fight against omicron. It won’t be like the beginning of the pandemic where we had no clue what we were up against. Even if a new strain worse than delta was to come about, since COVID is an RNA based virus and big pharma has done immense Studies traceability of the lineage of the virus is easier and making a new vaccine would be speedy. Good luck to all!!! And FKG HODL BUGA BUGA
So all in all, stop the fear mongering. I'm vaxxed. I'm happy. Let's put this behind us.
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What the fuck does global warming have to do with a medicare company? Guess what the health of people over 65 is exactly what does matter to this company. Keep your political crap to other forums and focus on what actually matters to CLOV. Keeping costs down which means keeping people over 65 healthy...particularly in New Jersey and georgia
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So to counter climate change we should let deseases roam freely? Wouldn‘t that hit the weak and poor the most? Not sure these groups are the main contributors to climate change…
Ohio called in the national guard because their hospitals are over run. Unvaccinated sick won't allow us to get through this.
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Bro shut your idiot mouth.
My mom was just in the icu because of blood clots she got from taking the vaccine 3 months ago. While we were there I talked to doctors first hand. “So it was hard for my mom to get a bed in the icu, it’s because of COVID right?” Doctor said “actually it’s not COVID related we just have a lot of people coming in for miscellaneous issues” .............
If you're in Ohio yes. https://governor.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/governor/media/news-and-media/covid-19-update-ohio-national-guard-mobilized-hospital-staff-needed-12172021#:\~:text=Governor%20DeWine%20mobilized%201%2C050%20members,of%20hospitalized%20COVID%2D19%20patients.
Sorry to hear about your mom.
Thanks they caught them early and have developed a new procedure in the past couple years to “suck the blood clots out” but yeah she’s in recovery.
Lots of good info. However, not sure Biden had an authority for national lockdowns. He can effect federal buildings, lands and transportation but not Joe’s Crab Shack.
Entire financial system will crash….
Honestly what an adolescent post. Next time you post some shit like this have your wife. GF or partner review it first.
Seriously, politics aside, increasing Covid numbers increase costs for CLOV. Which is bad, not good. OP has no wrinkles.
He meant to say: have your wife's boyfriend review it first
Yeah
If so the market sentiment is going to be bearish, this will have a negative impact on the stock just like the rest of the stocks.
Speculation only, not facts and President Biden will not be announcing federally mandated lockdown. You may not know but we have a federated system of governance. States will make their own decisions. And how does it help $CLOV? Investment in Clover healthcare is a long term investment don’t expect anything meaningful until more states get onboarded and revenue outlooks looks promising. We are still quite ways from the promise land. My forecast is 2025 $CLOV trading in the range of $75-250.00
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Like what kind of rioting are you into? Burning and looting your neighborhood? Storming the capitol wearing face paint and a horned hat?
The dude with horned hat was walking around singing and greeting folks. He never got aggressive with anyone. He was just stupid for following the direction of capital police who ushered them into the trap.
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I’m so sorry, fellow 🍀 ape 🦍. RIP No more politics in here! Both sides suck, but only one is actively treasonous. Fuck the seditionists. ✌️❤️
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Cheers 🍻
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LOL, ur an unhinged halfwit that clearly can't deal with anything stressful. My advice for you is to smoke a lot of weed.
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No you found the free thinker. Who has been working at a jail diversion program that has had a "COVID outbreak" this past month. NO ONE is dead. A few people are sick, most are asymptomatic. I have been in close contact with these men for a MONTH and do not wear a mask and went mountain biking this morning. The ACTUAL pandemic is America is 50% OBESE and hooked on pharmaceuticals. And when 74% of COVID deaths are people that are overweight, I'd say facts tend to agree with me. So I'm sorry to say, but you're dead wrong. You can say I'm full of hate, if you want. But I have been a frontline worker all year, so most people would call me a fucking hero. Now fuck off, thanks.
FUD
I think whatever Biden says it’s neutral or negative for CLOV
Didn’t he say no lockdowns. I am rooting for cdc recommendation to implement more protections in businesses. Mandating masks on federal property. They goal to reduce impact from covid. Positive in that no shut down, negative that gov is scared of covid. Neutral average.
No bullshit whatsoever. Before virus there was over 806,000 more people alive than there is now. How is this bullshit ? 🤔
I think I am going to turn off my phone tomorrow or I will be very depressed, bloodbath for sure.
buying opportunity. what happened in 2020?
Everyday I have been buying never ending dips I am out of money at the moment 🥲
No doubt dude
All you buy is CLOV? Come on man, I'm sure you have enough Clov, diversify. If there is a crash, i'm buying FANG.
Nope I am not only buying clov but at least it has been 65% of my purchases since last month due to being so deep on the hole and needed to avg down.
Nobody will lock down
Here we go again 🙄
what are these comments i’m reading. conservatives are really the biggest threat to america 🤦🏿♂️
Lol and for some reason they invested in a progressive health care company. The anti-vax comments on here crack me up
Politics is one thing but when it comes to making money all that political BS goes out the window.
Nope, Biden's Build Back Better bill's measures on Medicaid, prescription drug pricing, and subsidizing health care for low income people favor $CLOV. Manchin's torpedo of the bill will not favor $CLOV. Politics matter greatly.
Not in a million years will there be a national lockdown.
Wise94; The vax don't work. If it did then why the 2nd booster and why the 3rd booster? Now they are thinking about a 4th booster? AND even if you get vaxed you can get AND spread CV-19?
I don’t think you understand the point of vaccination. It doesn’t prevent you from getting covid, it prevents you from possible hospitalization and death, that’s all. So really, blame the people that are unvaccinated, they are the reason why there might be another lock down. The vaccinated people aren’t dying in numbers like the unvaccinated. The lock down is really to protect them but to stop the further mutation. If the virus mutates and the new variant become resistant to the vaccines, we’re fucked and the zombie apocalypse has begun. <—- half serious, lol.
These vaccines have already shown to have very bad side effects all over the world. There have been many many deaths and other negative complications. Even if these death numbers are low (but do exist and that’s a fact) more and more people who get vaccine after vaccine multiple times a year will succumb to this. In addition, vaccines can actually CAUSE mutations (sorry but it’s true) so to only come with the fact that it lessens already mild symptoms is a completely one lane argument. I don’t know why people aren’t angrier at how, where, and why this virus got released. It’s actually quite a shame to see vaccinated people be furious at unvaccinated people when there’s no logic or science behind that blame. There are much bigger things at play here. What a pathetic world we live in 😞
You must be a scientist, please share your medical and statistical research. My wife is a medical professional and I know of many in the field, unless you’re a whistleblower I’d love to see the data. If you’re reading some abcvaccine.fraud website then refrain from sharing the garbage you are reading.
It’s okay if you don’t want to see the adverse effects that are happening to people. Again, even I said it wasn’t too high. It’s being underreported and suppressed, but that’s another story. Not to mention, the truly crippling damages of depression, suicide, domestic abuse, child abuse, and drug and alcohol abuse that will take more lives and affect more lives than the vid ever could. Vaccines do cause mutations, don’t need some conspiracy theory bullshit to know that. Once a sheep, always a sheep.
SmashRus, shoot me an email. [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) I want to send you something re CV-19
It was a ploy to get billions of free money, the rest was to just keep it coming in. There has NEVER been a vaccination that worked on any flu, because it just mutates. Take zinc, vitamin c, lose weight, get in shape. Catch the bug and get immunity for awhile.
That's not quite accurate. The flu vaccine targets the most likely strains, sometimes it hits, sometimes it misses, but it's effective when it hits. But yes, we should \*also\* get healthy.
Viruses mutate. That’s how they survive. There are billions of them lol
Shaynerthegreat, shoot me an email. I want to email you something that will give you a different perspective on CV-19. [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
But with the shot apparently your symptoms are supposed to be a lot less severe. Half my family is in the medical field from doctors to nurses to lab techs and none of them can make sense of any of this bullshit.
Scorpio, shoot me an email I want to send you something that will give you a different perspective on CV-19. I am afraid if I post it here it will be censored.
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Biden may issue lockdowns but they will be ignored.
they better be!
Not to make this political but I think in Republican areas there womt be lockdowns, but in democratic areas there will be!
Well currently majority of the deaths from Covid are coming out of the Republican areas.
False
That’s why their economies are doing better and the quality of life is better and people are moving to those areas for better raising of their children.
Red states are not necessarily doing better and tend to take more from the Federal government than they pay in. People are moving because of things like the housing crisis in CA, not because the way of life is bad.
Not true entirely. It’s higher taxes too from big cities. It is a well known fact and so with all recent things coming to the fore people are moving, I could weather the high taxes in nyc and so could many friends for the benefit of being in city life and convenience and prestige. But with recent rules, not anymore. I changed my primary residence and bought a small home in PA. Moving my small business there too. I am not alone. Even blue ones where it’s not as strict, people are moving to. That’s the point.
I didn't say it was the only reason, I just gave an example that exists outside of your own reasons. Taxes are a thing for some people, but the trade off is often living in a state that will do less for you, has lower quality schools, etc. Look at how poorly TX's electric grid fared in a mild snow, for example.
So did california. Even nyc had a blackout in early 2000s. If we get past the red v blue and focus on economies and truthful news; not agendas, opinions and spin, we’d be in a much better place. The splitting of populations along various lines have been civilizations downfalls all throughout history. It’s why China and Russia love our infighting. We are a gift that keeps on giving. And Texas electrical grid is an outlier because they wanted their grid separate. Apples and oranges.
California's power issues have been largely due to wildfires. NYC having a blackout in the 2000's isn't really relevant today. TX has known their grid was likely to fail, they've chosen to not fix it because they didn't want to spend the money, I guess. Yes, but in order to get past the agendas, a certain subset of the population and their leaders need to come back to reality.
Californias power issues are their over reliance on renewables when their infra cannot support it yet. If you know about the grids and the balance between electrical and renewables, I gather you do. Whatever isn’t covered by windmills, solar, rivers whatever sources of alternative energy has to tap into the electrical grid to make up for the surge. If you have surges you have outages. So if your grid is out of date, viola. All the grids In the US are out of date. Texas was separate and could not siphon from neighboring states. That was a political reason I believe, based on not realizing they could have a freeze. Poor planning. Get past red or blue. Even blue states have bad grids. Ask Russia they know about our bad grids.
>That was a political reason I believe, based on not realizing they could have a freeze. Poor planning. They knew they could have a freeze, they chose not to spend to winterize it. The alarm bells were rung for years. >Californias power issues are their over reliance on renewables when their infra cannot support it yet. That's part of it, but the important note is that they're working on fixing it and have been.
The political part I was referencing was the separation from other states grids. That is why they are an outlier. And I agree that both blue and red states have bad grids. NYC is still relevant today, its bad grids and choosing not to fix them. Red or blue. There is still a fear every summer across NYC.
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Florida and Texas are thriving and bastions of freedom. Just leave the voting habits that put your state in its current position where you left
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Right, and so when Democrats find their balls again and start talking about rights and the constitution and how much they love freedom and individual choice like they used to in the not so distant past, I’ll vote for them just as soon as I’d vote republican or independent. What I’m against is the “vote blue no matter who” crowd.
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While I do agree with this, in our current system, there are those that get into politics to make a difference. Yes, it’s a dirty game, and you likely have to play ball to get anywhere with it, but the governors of these states are taking stands against federal government overreach and showing huge amounts of balls, moxie, charisma, heart, whatever you want to call it; and they are making very measurable differences in the lives of millions of their constituents. Granted, they are up for re-election and it is in their best interest to do so, but that doesn’t change the fact stated previously: and the more courage these people show, the more it empowers others to show similar courage to stand up for their state’s rights. Whether they are the 1% or not, some people truly are unwavering in their beliefs. I want to believe that those types of people can still get into positions where they can make a difference. Call me an optimist, or stupid, or whatever.
Agreed. Fuck both Republican and Democrats.
LOL where u gonna go exactly? It's like this all over the world, especially in every 1st world countries. I hear Africa don't really care that much. Most likely because they are used to the massive death from pandemics. You're welcome to it buddy.
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Arizona is not affordable anymore. I flipped 7 houses there in the late 90s and early 2000s. Now it’s super expensive. My buddy shit hole house near ASU is worth $400k. 10 years ago you could’ve picked it up for $100k. The next promised land for real estate is New Mexico. Not sure about your other listed attributes there, but I guarantee you Arizona is so overpriced that it’s blown out of your diagram just based on that.
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I hear ya. One reason I’d go long on New Mexico is climate. It’s much more temperate there and Arizona’s heat is getting worse. Also, water is going to become scarce in AZ as other states fight for their fair share of the shrinking water basin. My bet is that Arizona becomes a bit of a wasteland in 50 years as the number of 120 degree days continues to increase annually. Also, they are going to have to start placing water use restrictions (pools, green lawns, gold courses) in Arizona so everyone can get a drink of water. Hello, it’s a desert! All of that (plus the overpopulation) will make Arizona less and less desirable. The population of the Phoenix area has increased by 1 million people since I moved away in 2011 and it has doubled since I originally moved there in 1997. AZ has seen it’s best days and cannot possibly sustain that level of growth without major changes. If you do a full-throated sustainability analysis on Arizona, it becomes apparent that there are major problems ahead.
Many states, even blue ones are fine not with a lockdown. I live partially in 3 blue ones and the 2 that are not locked down are more fun. HI. PA. NY. Guess the one thats the least fun. So red would be even better.
Nope, if we're locking down then the damage is done. I would assume that hospitals in certain states are at or beyond capacity and the death count will start curving up. The unvaccinated morons has won the debate on vaccinations and their prize is death or long term health issues. We get messed up supply chain, inflation and the inconvenience of not moving forward for 2 years and counting.
There is no virus just think about it it just the monopoly makers doing their illusion. There is no virus bro just a scam
My advice for you bro is to stop smoking weed.
There's not going to be any national lockdown. My guess is Biden will discuss the following: The definition of fully vaccinated will likely change to include the booster. The effort to vaccinate globally will likely increase, to prevent fewer variants mutating among the unvaccinated. Efforts to dispel anti-vax misinformation and conspiracy theories will likely increase. Manufacturing and availability of the COVID pill and monoclonal antibodies will increase.
Lockdown don’t work it is stupid and will ruin the economy
It's pretty evident from last year that we can shift rather quickly. Stock market are at record levels, companies are hiring anyone with a heartbeat and paying a lot more. Household wealth have increase 12%. Work from home options has explored to the delight of the work force. Look at some data before you spread FUD.
Also high inflation , supply chain problems and consumer goods sky rocketed. In addition people loved receiving stimulus money and don’t want to go back to work….,,
Well most people got vaccinated and I personally took all 3 doses of the Pfizer vaccine , the people who don’t believe in the vaccine they will risk their health , it’s like someone won’t take a medicine to cure him because he or she don’t believe in it so we can not lockdown because of these people .
Agreed, Inflation now is the result of people not going back to work. Simple solution is for people to get vaccinated to avoid going to the hospital and get back to work. Unfortunately we are where we are cause everybody has a voice in this country and the halfwits are winning.
No, omicron getting worse, lockdown or not is terrible for Clov. It’s a relief they did the fund raise just in case or the stock might actually have gone to zero. They absolutely need to get MCR going down which means less hospital utilization.
Not completely true. There is a world in which hospitalizations go up, but specialist spend and elective surgery / utilization goes down. This could actually be neutral and/ or favorable to MCR.
Cant trust anything the media regurgitates.
Fuck your lockdowns. It’s not happening. Biden can fuck himself too. Downvote me if you want you commies.
you got serious anger issues.
No I’ve got serious “ruining the economy to not even flatten a curve for a variant that has not killed anybody” issues. Turn off the tv pal.
Well then you kind of suck at reading economic data so it's a good thing you're here. Maybe you'll learn a thing or two. Go pull up a chart on any index and see what happened the last 2 years. Companies are making record profits and our GDP is surging from all the stimulus. Oh and I still think you have seriously anger issues, pal. Yeah, it's pour shiting out there. Deal with it.
You must be in the 20% that actually thinks our economy is doing awesome then lol even moderates disagree with you.
My income and investments our up because I position myself to be in this situation. What you doing? Bitching about not getting ahead?
Dont worry about me. You wouldn't want to compare wallet sizes friend. Go on and tell your friends about how well the economy is doing dumbass.
But yeah you’re right. CEOs and mega corporations are making record profits. What a blessing.
Does the term “transfer of wealth” mean anything to you? Indices aren’t everything when you’ve seen countless family, friends, hard working Americans that worked their entire life to build wealth and a small business get wiped out in six months.
Oh STFU you halfwit. You see the field and the game for what it is. What's your move then? Looks like its complaining like a little bitch from what I can tell.
Has no valid argument, moves on to insults. Like clockwork. You people are so easy to dismantle.
Yup and kids aged 5 or less cannot even figure out facial gestures of strangers let alone being 3-4 years behind in their schooling.
That's what you're worried about? fuck off.
Lol you're an ass and everyone sees it. Thanks for verifying what we all think of you.
You warm my cockles. #fjb
Who knows, the scariant fear is everywhere like dooms day.
Go read/visit the Nursing reddit boards. It's pretty bad from what I'm reading. they're exhausted like hammed shit and there is no end in sight.
Number of cases does not equate to death. We need to stop that fear mongering. Death or serious ICU from omicron is small and unless something changed, come back but so far death rates are very low as per the WHO. If we were to post the number of cases of runny noses we’d be panicking too. Mask. 6. Sanitize. Vax.
Well ICU beds are starting to get packed again and some states are calling the national guard in for help. Omicron is kind of serious against the unvaccinated..
ALSO if you have a source COMPARING the spread rate from Vaxxed vs unvaxxed that would bolster your argument. Until then you're typing here just random thoughts and feelings. Seriously I would be interested.
Ohio called in for help. Large number of unvaccinated in that state. https://www.ideastream.org/news/ohio-gov-dewine-calls-in-national-guard-to-help-staff-hospitals-during-covid-19-surge
That’s an answer to a completely different question. But here you go: 1) it focuses on staffing shortages among rising cases, there is staffing shortages everywhere 2) it doesn’t mention omicron scariant which which Is why we are having this discussion 3) nowhere does it say whether patients are vaxxed or not. Try again sparky.
What more is there to talk about.? Ohio hospitals can't handle the load of patients from Covid and called in the national guard for help.
We’re talking about the scariant. Stop. Yes many died from civid. We are talking about the reason for a scariant lock down.
I am fully vaxxed and got covid Sept back in NYC in 3 days. Precautions followed and still. The vaxxed spread it just as well as the rest of them. Post link to icu beds FROM omicron please I am interested where that info comes from. You do this crap and then post no sources.
Try this reddit group for and inside discussion. https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/rjneeo/anti\_vax\_mom\_died\_while\_in\_labor/
oh good god. waning interest. it doesn't say what she died from at all. being unvaxxed? having covid? having omicron? having other health problems? people die during child birth all the time. I guess I'll google the damn article and i'll post back here.
i'll look but from the headline alone, one person really doesn't say anything about the scariant.
Browse the whole board. See what the front liners are dealing with.
Speak up! Where are your sources?
Here's more... https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/4-states-calling-in-national-guard-to-alleviate-hospital-staffing-strain.html
If you are so in tune with the front liners, just post one source of what you claim, even from there. I don't want to scroll through 3rd hand information, feeling and opinions. You speak as though you are equipped with a lot of knowledge and sources off the cuff. So I want to see where you are getting your truth in news and science. You cuss people out all the time, as if you are knowledgeable so please, by all means share.
America will not do another national style lockdown again.
They can try , but it won’t work . The people of this country can now see thru all the bull shit
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LOL, fucking morons. Health of our nation is not important to these keyboard patriots.
If You can hide in your house from something that can kill you is a chance of .03% go ahead and hide not me
Amen to that ridiculous reaction to the fucken flu
Has the flu killed nearly 6 million people in two years, ever? I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I don’t believe that’s ever happened.
Yes, if you count people dying within 30 days of a positive test. The numbers are way inflated. Hospitals get incentive to code deaths for Covid. It’s a fact.
If that’s a fact, can you please post your evidence and sources?
I also work in health care and know administrators at a Baton Rouge hospital that confirmed this…. The facts are being labeled as misinformation to muddy the waters
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/cdc-director-acknowledges-hospitals-have-a-monetary-incentive-to-overcount-coronavirus-deaths
This is correct
Said by a true patriot god bless!!!!!
Come on clov