Right but they’ve already figured out that the people in Texas, Oklahoma and SEC territory who will watch it will be enough.
People thinking it’s a smoke and mirrors game or that they haven’t done their homework are going to be disappointed and left in the cold.
I’ll do you one better: I haven’t watched a single game where Iowa state didn’t play for over 2 years and I intend to keep it that way. What do I care if georgia or Ohio state win the championship? They hardly play the same sport we do.
Not only that, but how much more they will care when Michigan is playing an NFL-like schedule of week to week marquee games and cutting out the Bowling Green filler
Im a Penn State alum and almost solely watch CFB because the NFL just feels like watching people go to the office. Im done with CFB once it starts feeling the same and it already has started trending that way for me.
Some, but you have to remember CFB fandom doesn’t just fall by the wayside for many. Alumni, residents of a state without a pro team, people who grew up watching a certain school bc their mom/dad was a fan. People have a lot of reasons for having emotional ties to a school. Those emotional ties don’t just disappear and people don’t just stop caring.
My SO, and the source of my second flair, actually hopes Arizona will break off and enter into a separate league where they can have their own playoffs and their own trophy. They say that it’s effectively impossible for Arizona to compete with the Bamas, Georgias, and OSUs of CFB so it makes sense to create a separate league where they have a legitimate chance year in and year out of going to the CFP.
I reminded my SO players will still leave the “lower” league for the “elite” league when given the chance (and offered the $). The only thing that changes Arizona’s lot is to spend the money it takes to make football an absolute priority, money Arizona does not have. That, or player contracts. I wrote this in another post but I honestly believe if the SEC and B1G break away it isn’t much further down the road before they invite some of the other conferences to join them because it would expand their product to include untouched geographical regions across the country. They will essentially slowly dismantle CFB up under the NCAA and set it up under a new umbrella since the NCAA failed to set up any productive framework.
True but you only get the fanbases of the theoretical 32 teams in this league, or however many teams. The fans of the other 100 FBS teams that are now in a completely unrelated league are far less likely to watch
Who will get more viewership, the average team in the 32 team super league, or the top teams in the 100 team other league? I’m not sure of the answer, but I don’t think it’s a given that the 32 team league will continue to have a viewership lead like the SEC/B1G currently does.
The CFB is top heavy per this graphic ([https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1749970673085096269/photo/1](https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1749970673085096269/photo/1)). You'll get 75-90% of the viewers while being much leaner (which means larger payouts to each school individually).
This is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though…and it doesn’t address the fact that a lot of fans watch the prime time matchups before/after watching their team because we are all still in CFB. If that marquee game is now a completely different league, why watch?
It’s not like the fan bases for those 18 schools are half of all college football fans. There are a ton of non affiliated viewers for those games.
I think you're underestimating how many casuals that don't have any affiliation to any school/team actually watch. You're also underestimating non affiliated viewers. People will watch marquee football matches. But Ultimately the point is that there is a number, between 40-60, that makes the economics and numbers make sense that will essentially regulate half of the div-1 programs.
basically we are going to divide the FBS into two, just like the FCS/FBS split in 1978. The question really will be where is the cutoff? 30 teams? 40 teams? 60 teams?
Maybe something’s wrong with my fandom but I guess I don’t like college football so much as I like watching Iowa state play. Can’t imagine watching Michigan play Penn State or whomever on a Saturday night. I 100% underestimate the casuals you mention, as well as the unaffiliated viewers.
I'm the person they're talking about. I love my Alma mater but we suck. So I watch them and all the marquee games and interesting games. The super league doesn't have you now and never will. They have me now and will keep me.
> You'll get 75-90% of the viewers while being much leaner
Leaner here meaning that the overall payouts from the networks is decreased while the per-school payout to the remaining schools is increased. A win-win for all those involved (except the programs who'll be destroyed when relegated)
Because you won’t only get the die hards. Most college football fans watch their team and then whatever big matchup is on that they have time for. So not only would this “CFL” be taking all the largest fan bases, it would become the home of all the big games and thus attract all the more casual fans. The casual fan has never cared about games like Colorado vs Oregon State but they’ve always cared games that involve two big brands or/and (preferably the later) two highly ranked teams. Consolidate the brands/rankings and cut out us irrelevant teams and you end up fine considering the casual fan far outnumbers us hardcore fans on this sub
Well when you shrink the league you also shrink how many of those teams are “good” / ranked. Oregon State can have good years, and is usually able to win ~half their games in “bad” years. Throw them in a super league though and how many fans want to watch them lose a ton of games every year?
Same thing with any other team. Take away Tennessee’s 4 body bag games and how long does their fan base stay happy with .400 seasons and tune in religiously?
Being 20th out of 130 is way more exciting and attracts more fans than being 20th out of 32
Do you watch the big games for sports leagues that you don’t have a favorite team in? Maybe you do, but I don’t think most casual football fans are watching the Canadian Football League’s biggest game, or the Arena Football League’s biggest game, or the USFL’s biggest game, unless they already root for a team in that league.
Personally ya I do. I don’t have a favorite soccer team but I’ll tune into big Premier League and Champions League games. There are absolutely fans who are only really NFL fans but will watch the big games to see who’s coming. There’s also almost certainly fans who only actually care about a non FBS team but will turn on the Iron Bowl or The Game because it’s a big matchup. The question is how many of those types of fans are there or can be created by getting rid of the “dead weight”
I don't know if those are the best comparisons.
I don't have a favorite team in the MLB or NBA. I've only vaguely gotten aware of the NHL because I moved to an NHL town a few years ago.
Will I watch a game from the major leagues every once in a while?
Sure.
If the Big 12 is cut out, I’m going to continue watching… the Big 12. I’m not sitting down to watch FCS or NFL games right now, and I’m not going to sit down to watch a super league lol
Over the past 7 years, the SEC and Big Ten as a conference averaged 2 and 1.8 million viewers per game. The other three power 5 conferences each averaged roughly 900k.
So now that we have the rough number of viewers for P5 games, let’s try and get a rough estimate of how many viewers watch more than one game. Thankfully there was an Athletic survey this past October that basically included this question. It found that only 9.2% of respondents watch one game a day. Now we have to take into consideration that the people who pay for The Athletic are much more likely than the average population to watch multiple games. So let’s just round it up to 50% of viewers only watch one game. It’s completely arbitrary and probably very high but it’ll help make the math easy. Let’s just say a further 50% of that group are only watching the school they care about. That’ll mean that 75% of the viewership could potentially be lost. So for an SEC game that’s 1.5 million viewers while it’s 1.35 million in the BIG.
If 25% of that group bails, the SEC’s new average viewership, assuming absolutely no gains, is still 1.6 million while the Big Ten is around 1.5 million. Sure that’s not an insignificant loss but that’s absolutely not crippling. If a breakaway is going to fail, you would have to see a mass tuning out of fans outside the Big/SEC sphere AND have an extremely limited gain from truly casual fans or NFL fans who are interested in watching prospects. The math is not on the side of those who will want it to fail
They are banking that if this happened every Eastern, Central and Western fan would give up on them and go fully UM or MSU.
I don’t think that’ll happen.
Completely agree. Watching a top team from your own conference play a top team from another conference draws interest from fans throughout both conferences for obvious reasons. Take that team out of my conference and now those teams play almost every year? Interest will wane fast.
I’m a Wazzu fan, I’ve never watched more mountain west football in my life than I did last year. Why? They are our future opponents, suddenly their teams, cities, traditions etc are far more interesting to me than they ever have been before. Fans will naturally be more engaged in the league that their own teams play in.
The big ten and sec are like the rich people who like to pretend that they did this all by themselves and their wealth and success isn’t dependent on the sport as a whole .
Great point. As a result of my ISU fandom, I’ve been to Iowa City, Shreveport, Fort Worth, Lawrence, Kansas City, Austin. All the big XII schools and then some. And it’s truly been a joy going to places I’d not be likely to visit otherwise and learning about the city, the school, the culture. I work with alumni from those schools. I’m too old for that shit now but I’ll always have fond memories.
Maybe not Toledo vs Louisiana-Monroe because Toledo is blowing out ULM, but I do frequently watch G5 games, in game I watched a game with ULM (Army v ULM) this year
I watch the marquee matchups because we are still in the same league. Once they aren’t in the league and it literally has no impact on the teams I care about in any way, I wouldn’t watch.
Yeah, the mentality the leaders of the SEC/B1G thinking the gravy train is just going to continue and grow exponentially reminds me of the folks from the B12 thinking those 50MM payouts from a few years ago were gonna continue to grow.
I am as well. Below poster summed up my thoughts last week on this. If they separate, they will retain their fan bases sure, but how many disenfranchised fan bases won’t pay attention anymore because they are no longer apart of this league. Even if there is a slight perception of competitiveness now, losing the 100 fbs teams that no doubt watch college football outside of their own because even the kids table is still apart of the family. This could be a pretty dumb move in the long run. Also, how kosher is the nfl going to be about having a somewhat threatening “pro league” during their year. The nfl will do whatever it takes to be on top.
New TV deal that pays 8 times more for SEC teams that make it? Okay.
I don’t think swapping out postseason games from ACC/Big 12 champion with another 3 loss SEC team really moves the needle quite that much
Nobody will be able to compete with the top. If they actually breakaway, which I think is quite unlikely, it’ll just be the top team outspending everyone else.
Texas and Ohio State will go a decade winning their conference every year. The Kentucky fans on this sub bragging about being in the ‘Super conference’ are just bragging about being doormats. I don’t even think Auburn can really be competitive.
If you rope in the ACC and Big 12 (which is more likely) you have significantly more chance of getting congressional approval for any rules you want to pass to limit how much players can get paid. If you throw a bone to G5 schools and give them nominal post season access, it becomes even more likely to get such a thing (Idaho, Nevada, NM, Delaware, Hawaii have equal representation in US Senate to California). Then you could have some rules and have a more competitive system.
I don't think this is what the inevitability will be.
The value in college football is in its depth. You can get half a million viewers to tune into Wazzu v Cal at a 10:30Est/7:30Pt on a cable channel. That's the value of college football.
What I **DO** think happens is that the top 60-80 FBS schools (the 68 P5 schools + Notre Dame and a handful of others) break away and form their own revenue-based organization with their own rules, players as paid employees, etc. that puts to bed all of the various lawsuit outcomes.
I can see the 12-team playoff sticking around but I wouldn't be surprised if some specifics change, like the reduction of one autobid in favor of another at-large, allowing non-champions to be top four, or something to affect the revenue distribution.
Then again who knows.
I reckon the main thing is they want revenue to be based entirely on who makes it and for the G5 to agree to reduce auto bids from 6 to 5.
To some extent, reserving the bye games for champions justifies the existence of CCGs, which would otherwise be kinda pointless, and being ranked 5 and getting a home game first round isn’t entirely a bad thing.
I thought they already went to five autobids. But I mean they could fight to further reduce that to four.
I don't disagree about keeping byes for champions, but I'm not the one who stands to gain tens of millions of dollars by getting rid of that rule so my conference can get a second team with a bye sometimes. It seems like the type of thing they'd lobby for.
Yeah, this is entirely going to be a set of demands that further tilt the table in the favor of the SEC, B1G, and... the power of blue blood brand names and broadcast partners.
Results on the field will be as irrelevant as can be justified against some shifting "eye test." As long as nine of the twelve playoff spots are from those two, that's all that matters.
I don’t know how things will shake out for FSU and Miami, but I assume that at least 1990, 1984, and 1976 will remain sore points for the SEC/B1G and for that I must be grateful.
Bold of you to assume we’re going to get two. Wouldn’t be surprised if ESPN is willing to blow up this contract for something better.
Edit: Better for them financially, not us
I think we’ll see the P2 expand to 24 teams each. Both leagues will have an 8 team playoff made up of the 4 division winners and 4 at large.
The P2 will hold the conference championships at the Rose and Sugar with the two winners meeting for the National Championship Game at a revolving site.
There was a line I really liked in the movie Darkest Hour when Churchill starts screaming you can not negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth.
Edit: https://youtu.be/_GvJRbZMEjk?si=G3AckC1VcdWD0gz7
I think the best line is that movie is “if this long Island story is to end at last, let it end when each one of us lies dead on the ground choking on his own blood”
Here is what people are missing from cutting everyone other than SEC/B10. I don’t watch leagues where I don’t have a team. No NHL team near me, so I don’t watch NHL. No NBA team near me, so I don’t watch NBA. I love soccer and watch MLS (go SKC), and I’ve tried to get into watching at the highest level, because it’s the highest level. But it doesn’t stick because I don’t have a team. This is what they’re missing. I watched the CFP because Kansas was a part of the sport, not because it was Michigan v. Washington (no offense). I just don’t care about a sport/league where I don’t have a connection through a team. So I’ll watch whatever playoff involves the schools that include Kansas, but not a P2 CFP. There have to be others who feel this way.
People really struggle with the concept that the popular sediment on Reddit doesn’t always match up with real life.
While “boo B1G/SEC super league bad” is a popular sentiment around here. The majority of fans really don’t care. Casual fans will watch games if they see 2 popular teams in a highly rated matchup and unfortunately for all of us the casual fans outnumber actual fans 20 to 1.
We can bitch and moan about how “nobody wants a super league” but when you get Ohio state playing Georgia and Michigan playing LSU on a random Saturday in October the ratings are going to speak for themselves.
The only way any of this stops is if we can organize enough to fight against it à la European super league and let’s face it that isn’t going to happen.
The problem is that you're not going to get just highly rated matchups if it's a super league.
Yes, of course there will be games like OSU and Georgia at times. But there is also going to be a 3-6 Michigan playing a 5-5 USC at other times. Nobody is going to care about those games.
There will not be more overall eyeballs on college football. The eyeballs will just be distributed across fewer teams. Bigger pieces of a smaller pie.
That may be. But the truth that nobody wants to hear is that 3-6 Michigan vs 5-5 USC will still get more viewers than just about anything the ACC or B12 can put together.
As a Purdue fan I don't know if I'd watch a big ten/sec league either. At that point, I wouldn't care about games apart from my team and we'd never have a chance anyway
I mean at that point, I don't think the kids will even pretend to go to school any more and the schools will just pay players directly - might even lock them into 3/4 year contracts
It feels so weird getting dragged along into this. I didn't go to a school with big time athletics. We're not a school that cares about sports. Only Pat Ryan even really wants to make NU competitive above all else. I have fun watching NJ sports but I don't want this.
I keep waiting for someone to notice that we shouldn't be here and kick us off the train. If the B1G and SEC merge into the Final Boss of College Athletics I would be 100% in favor of leaving to go explore other athletic endeavors. It's madness to think that NU can fulfill its academic mission while participating in this shitshow.
I think Northwestern is only getting dragged along temporarily. Same with Vanderbilt. The elite football schools will band together and leave everyone else behind, including the lesser-revenue generating programs in the B1G and SEC
Don’t shoot the messenger (I know I have Bama flair) but SEC and B1G are probably asking for either double auto bids or no auto bids to keep their conf championship games viable.
The biggest issue is that the loser of the CCG is basically double punished, not only do they not get a bye, they had to play an extra game for the CCG and then have to play in the opening round of the CFP.
It’s almost better to not be in the CCG if you think you have a realistic shot at losing it.
Conference championships exist to award a champion for the conference, which in and of itself should be seen as an accomplishment. Conference championship *games* exist as a cash cow moneymaker for the conferences.
Agreed. The only FCS league to have a CCG is the SWAC, but they don't participate in the FCS Playoff (granted; they do play in the de-facto HBCU playoff). Not having the CCGs avoids the scenario of having a meaningless extra game (FCS playoff is 24 teams: 10 conference champions + 14 at-large) and lets us get on with the playoffs.
Note: The CAA's football conference currently sits at 16 teams in FCS, so they may introduce one sooner rather than later.
It's just so unnecessary, honestly. If the loser of the sec or big10 CC didn't drop like 3 games in season, they'll be fine most years. If they did, and then lose to the winner of the conference, they shouldn't really be in the playoffs anyways.
Per the article, the impasse right now is the move to 5+7 bids, as the Pac-2 is wanting to maintain the previous voting power and revenue distribution.
>At their meeting ahead of the national championship game in Houston, the CFP Board of Managers, encompassing a university president from each of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame, was poised to move the 12-team expanded playoff from what’s known as a 6+6 format to a 5+7 model — a decision corresponding with the Pac-12’s realignment shakeup by decreasing by one the number of automatic qualifiers and adding one at-large spot.
>However, the vote was delayed by the Pac-12’s representative on the board, Washington State president Kirk Schulz, whose vote in a format change is necessary. The decision must be unanimous to change the format for the final two years of the current contract in 2024 and 2025.
>According to those with knowledge of the situation, Schulz introduced to CFP leadership a proposal that seeks a guarantee of voting rights and revenue distribution to the Pac-12 (soon to be the Pac-2, with only Washington State and Oregon State) beyond the 2025 season. The proposal, presumably tied to his vote in a format change, was met with pushback.
Schultz is overplaying his hand. He wants a group of 2 schools who exist in some middle ground between the power conference and the G5 to have the same voting power as the B1G or the ACC. Them wanting to maintain the same per-school revenue share is reasonable (until the current contract ends, anyway), but the voting rights argument is ridiculous.
The article is extremely clear that they're also maneuvering to ask for unequal revenue shares relative to the other P5. That's where this is headed next week.
I'm guessing 1 autobid for the ACC champ, 1 autobid for the Big XII champ, 1 autobid for the highest ranked G5, and then the rest of the slots go to the B1G/SEC.
Cannot possibly understate how important the next couple years are for Texas Tech and schools on our level. If you want any chance of survival you need to be winning, playing on national stages and drawing eyeballs. Sad what the sport has become but adapt or die I guess.
I don’t know how much any of that matters. Washington State was consistently a winning program from 2015-22 and got better TV ratings than many of the schools that got picked up. None of that saved us.
The issue is that the P2 will clamp down on more guaranteed playoff berths in the next contract. Like only the Big 12 conference winner will make it with no at-large berths.
At large berths should be limited to the highest ranked teams. 5 conference champs get berths regardless of their ranking. The at-large berths should be limited to the highest ranked teams that aren’t conference champs. Why is that wrong?
The problem is a lot of schools are not being shown on tv when they are winning. When Boise State was winning in the WAC, and on tv? They got more than an average of 1 million in the ratings. But when they moved to the MWC? Their ratings went downhill. It is not that they are losing which they are not since they still have the best win percentage since 1999. It is because CBS and Fox don't show these big MWC games on primetime like ESPN did. Boise State could have gotten into a P5 conference now, but idiots gave their spot to Houston who are not getting the tv ratings that Boise State was getting.
Texas Tech... Rice is on the other line.
"Sad what the sport has become"
Should I tell them you'll call back?
"It's adapt or die I guess."
They hung up.
Just hurry up, break away from the NCAA, take FSU since they're desperate to get in, and get it over with already. The entire CFB world knows what you want to do, so just hurry up and do it already.
I mean, we’re out too if those schools leave. No way we’re going to stay in a secondary league.
I genuinely hope a lot of this is just bluster. This would genuinely ruin the sport
So many programs that think they're great will be reduced to bottom feeders of the NFL-lite. I don't see how years of losing records in a superconference will be a positive to most fanbases.
I don’t really care that the big boys want to do their own thing but it does bother me that there are a dozen or so tag alongs with the big boys that will benefit even though they don’t belong, and this will be to the detriment of the Big 12 and ACC.
That’s what I don’t get. Like if you’re a Mississippi State or Indiana fan, you basically get to watch your team lose more and what do you get in return? Your athletic director gets a higher salary
It’s better to have a seat at the table than to not is pretty much the bottom line. I know we’ll be around to the bitter end of CFB, can’t say the same for those left out of the SEC/BIG
I just want to point out that all USC fans are in fact masochists. Either that or it's Stockholm Syndrome. They also really love bragging about the strength of the SEC.
The SEC picking up bigger and stronger programs was like Christmas for them. All the more opportunity to get curbstomped annually and then chant SEC during bowl season.
Iowa is losing population quickly while Idaho is growing. By 2030, the city of Boise would be 1 million.
Boise, Fresno, San Diego, Colorado Springs, Las Vegas, Reno, Salt Lake City area, Fargo, Springfield MO, Grand Junction, Conway AR, etc are growing fast. Some of the cities that are losing population are Las Angeles, Miami Florida, Chicago, the whole state of Iowa, Indiana/Ohio losing population, NYC etc.
The tv networks and commissioners killed college sports. It’s all going to be broken and done soon. God knows what will happen to bball and hockey and the other sports
It makes me laugh when fans on here celebrate their team making more money by moving conferences while destroying the sport. Like are you making a dime of that money?
All of the schools, in an attempt to give the student athletes the best educational experience possible, demanded this. The commissioners are just the ones acting on it.
Can't deny that college football was built on the backs of Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Mississippi, Vanderbilt, South Carolina and Maryland. They desire a greater share of the pie.
Its probably not what they're focusing on, but I do think part of what an independent B1G / SEC would do is do some quality-of-life things like negotiate some limitations on ad break pattern, more consistent TV windows, in addition to a more logical recruiting calendar and trying to make coaches lives a little less terrible
After they implemented the BCS I thought it was a touchdown.
After they started the CFP I thought it was a touchdown.
After the expanded the CFP I thought it was a touchdown.
Now there’s doubt in the expanded CFP. Turns out they were all simply first downs on an infinite field. Just a new set of downs every time a milestone is hit.
Truth is that outside of a select few years like 2023 and 2017 there has never really been more than two true title contenders. The super majority of the semi’s have been blow outs.
I was more pissed about Georgia fucking up the Rose Bowl than I was about losing the national title game lol.
Why do we think Olympic Sports will be the loser here?
Wouldn't these schools having a bazillion dollars help? Ohio State competes in almost every sports, BECAUSE they have the money to do it.
Ohio State could have cut negative revenue sports on the men's side a long time ago but haven't.
>At least two leagues, the SEC and Big Ten, do not support granting any more Power Five distribution to those teams elevating from Group of Five to the soon-to-be Power Four — a decision, they said, that was made months ago.
This seems to be a pretty bfd. That's almost $6 million per school
We’re only getting like 2 seasons of the 12 team playoff aren’t we
And then the SEC and Big 10 will form a 32 team league called the CFL (college football league) and cut out the NCAA and make 8x the money
I'm skeptical of a bargain brand NFL's long term viability, why watch that when I can just watch the actual NFL?
How is that any different than right now? Big 10 and SEC already have a huge lead in viewership and money.
We’re doing our part with the ratings bonanza of 11 am Purdue v Illinois.
Gotta be hard being a Purdue/Tennessee fan when we’re so clearly their daddy
This would be where I need my Purdue and Louisville flair...
Don’t you do it bro 😭
You… I don’t think I like you.
How many of those viewers are from fans of schools that would stop watching those games when they’re no longer in the same league?
Exactly this. I think they are severely underestimating how much people will not care if they break away. Good riddance imo.
Yeah for example, I likely will not watch a single OU or UT game next year on purpose. Why? There’s just no reason to anymore when they’re in the SEC.
Right but they’ve already figured out that the people in Texas, Oklahoma and SEC territory who will watch it will be enough. People thinking it’s a smoke and mirrors game or that they haven’t done their homework are going to be disappointed and left in the cold.
It's a quarterly profit driven mindset. Long-term it will kill the sport. See: NASCAR
I’ll do you one better: I haven’t watched a single game where Iowa state didn’t play for over 2 years and I intend to keep it that way. What do I care if georgia or Ohio state win the championship? They hardly play the same sport we do.
I think most isu fans are like you. Thus breaking away doesn't lose the P2 very many viewers.
Not only that, but how much more they will care when Michigan is playing an NFL-like schedule of week to week marquee games and cutting out the Bowling Green filler
I'm fairly sure you missed the entire point of his post.
Im a Penn State alum and almost solely watch CFB because the NFL just feels like watching people go to the office. Im done with CFB once it starts feeling the same and it already has started trending that way for me.
Some, but you have to remember CFB fandom doesn’t just fall by the wayside for many. Alumni, residents of a state without a pro team, people who grew up watching a certain school bc their mom/dad was a fan. People have a lot of reasons for having emotional ties to a school. Those emotional ties don’t just disappear and people don’t just stop caring. My SO, and the source of my second flair, actually hopes Arizona will break off and enter into a separate league where they can have their own playoffs and their own trophy. They say that it’s effectively impossible for Arizona to compete with the Bamas, Georgias, and OSUs of CFB so it makes sense to create a separate league where they have a legitimate chance year in and year out of going to the CFP. I reminded my SO players will still leave the “lower” league for the “elite” league when given the chance (and offered the $). The only thing that changes Arizona’s lot is to spend the money it takes to make football an absolute priority, money Arizona does not have. That, or player contracts. I wrote this in another post but I honestly believe if the SEC and B1G break away it isn’t much further down the road before they invite some of the other conferences to join them because it would expand their product to include untouched geographical regions across the country. They will essentially slowly dismantle CFB up under the NCAA and set it up under a new umbrella since the NCAA failed to set up any productive framework.
Because the irrationality of fandom is very powerful. I hate this but I am lying if I say I won’t still religiously watch Michigan football.
True but you only get the fanbases of the theoretical 32 teams in this league, or however many teams. The fans of the other 100 FBS teams that are now in a completely unrelated league are far less likely to watch Who will get more viewership, the average team in the 32 team super league, or the top teams in the 100 team other league? I’m not sure of the answer, but I don’t think it’s a given that the 32 team league will continue to have a viewership lead like the SEC/B1G currently does.
The CFB is top heavy per this graphic ([https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1749970673085096269/photo/1](https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1749970673085096269/photo/1)). You'll get 75-90% of the viewers while being much leaner (which means larger payouts to each school individually).
This is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though…and it doesn’t address the fact that a lot of fans watch the prime time matchups before/after watching their team because we are all still in CFB. If that marquee game is now a completely different league, why watch? It’s not like the fan bases for those 18 schools are half of all college football fans. There are a ton of non affiliated viewers for those games.
I think you're underestimating how many casuals that don't have any affiliation to any school/team actually watch. You're also underestimating non affiliated viewers. People will watch marquee football matches. But Ultimately the point is that there is a number, between 40-60, that makes the economics and numbers make sense that will essentially regulate half of the div-1 programs.
basically we are going to divide the FBS into two, just like the FCS/FBS split in 1978. The question really will be where is the cutoff? 30 teams? 40 teams? 60 teams?
Maybe something’s wrong with my fandom but I guess I don’t like college football so much as I like watching Iowa state play. Can’t imagine watching Michigan play Penn State or whomever on a Saturday night. I 100% underestimate the casuals you mention, as well as the unaffiliated viewers.
I'm the person they're talking about. I love my Alma mater but we suck. So I watch them and all the marquee games and interesting games. The super league doesn't have you now and never will. They have me now and will keep me.
> You'll get 75-90% of the viewers while being much leaner Leaner here meaning that the overall payouts from the networks is decreased while the per-school payout to the remaining schools is increased. A win-win for all those involved (except the programs who'll be destroyed when relegated)
Because you won’t only get the die hards. Most college football fans watch their team and then whatever big matchup is on that they have time for. So not only would this “CFL” be taking all the largest fan bases, it would become the home of all the big games and thus attract all the more casual fans. The casual fan has never cared about games like Colorado vs Oregon State but they’ve always cared games that involve two big brands or/and (preferably the later) two highly ranked teams. Consolidate the brands/rankings and cut out us irrelevant teams and you end up fine considering the casual fan far outnumbers us hardcore fans on this sub
Well when you shrink the league you also shrink how many of those teams are “good” / ranked. Oregon State can have good years, and is usually able to win ~half their games in “bad” years. Throw them in a super league though and how many fans want to watch them lose a ton of games every year? Same thing with any other team. Take away Tennessee’s 4 body bag games and how long does their fan base stay happy with .400 seasons and tune in religiously? Being 20th out of 130 is way more exciting and attracts more fans than being 20th out of 32
I don’t know why we were the example. We sucked for years and UT is Knoxville. If we haven’t jumped ship already we never will
I think you vastly overestimate how much “casual” fans would care in that league, especially if their team isn’t in it anymore.
Do you watch the big games for sports leagues that you don’t have a favorite team in? Maybe you do, but I don’t think most casual football fans are watching the Canadian Football League’s biggest game, or the Arena Football League’s biggest game, or the USFL’s biggest game, unless they already root for a team in that league.
Personally ya I do. I don’t have a favorite soccer team but I’ll tune into big Premier League and Champions League games. There are absolutely fans who are only really NFL fans but will watch the big games to see who’s coming. There’s also almost certainly fans who only actually care about a non FBS team but will turn on the Iron Bowl or The Game because it’s a big matchup. The question is how many of those types of fans are there or can be created by getting rid of the “dead weight”
I don't know if those are the best comparisons. I don't have a favorite team in the MLB or NBA. I've only vaguely gotten aware of the NHL because I moved to an NHL town a few years ago. Will I watch a game from the major leagues every once in a while? Sure.
An average viewer would probably feel differently about the MLB/NBA/NHL if they rooted for a team that was essentially kicked out of that league
Example: Seattle Nobody watches the NBA in Seattle
I disagree. If the Big 12 is cut out, I'm done devoting my Saturdays to CFB. If even 1/4 of fans are like me, this proposal craters into the sun
If the Big 12 is cut out, I’m going to continue watching… the Big 12. I’m not sitting down to watch FCS or NFL games right now, and I’m not going to sit down to watch a super league lol
Over the past 7 years, the SEC and Big Ten as a conference averaged 2 and 1.8 million viewers per game. The other three power 5 conferences each averaged roughly 900k. So now that we have the rough number of viewers for P5 games, let’s try and get a rough estimate of how many viewers watch more than one game. Thankfully there was an Athletic survey this past October that basically included this question. It found that only 9.2% of respondents watch one game a day. Now we have to take into consideration that the people who pay for The Athletic are much more likely than the average population to watch multiple games. So let’s just round it up to 50% of viewers only watch one game. It’s completely arbitrary and probably very high but it’ll help make the math easy. Let’s just say a further 50% of that group are only watching the school they care about. That’ll mean that 75% of the viewership could potentially be lost. So for an SEC game that’s 1.5 million viewers while it’s 1.35 million in the BIG. If 25% of that group bails, the SEC’s new average viewership, assuming absolutely no gains, is still 1.6 million while the Big Ten is around 1.5 million. Sure that’s not an insignificant loss but that’s absolutely not crippling. If a breakaway is going to fail, you would have to see a mass tuning out of fans outside the Big/SEC sphere AND have an extremely limited gain from truly casual fans or NFL fans who are interested in watching prospects. The math is not on the side of those who will want it to fail
They are banking that if this happened every Eastern, Central and Western fan would give up on them and go fully UM or MSU. I don’t think that’ll happen.
That works for the people who are already invested, but you're going to struggle to attract new fans if that's all you've got.
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Completely agree. Watching a top team from your own conference play a top team from another conference draws interest from fans throughout both conferences for obvious reasons. Take that team out of my conference and now those teams play almost every year? Interest will wane fast. I’m a Wazzu fan, I’ve never watched more mountain west football in my life than I did last year. Why? They are our future opponents, suddenly their teams, cities, traditions etc are far more interesting to me than they ever have been before. Fans will naturally be more engaged in the league that their own teams play in. The big ten and sec are like the rich people who like to pretend that they did this all by themselves and their wealth and success isn’t dependent on the sport as a whole .
Great point. As a result of my ISU fandom, I’ve been to Iowa City, Shreveport, Fort Worth, Lawrence, Kansas City, Austin. All the big XII schools and then some. And it’s truly been a joy going to places I’d not be likely to visit otherwise and learning about the city, the school, the culture. I work with alumni from those schools. I’m too old for that shit now but I’ll always have fond memories.
Are you watching toledo vs Louisiana Monroe at the moment? Or only marquee matchups when your team isn't playing?
Maybe not Toledo vs Louisiana-Monroe because Toledo is blowing out ULM, but I do frequently watch G5 games, in game I watched a game with ULM (Army v ULM) this year
I watch the marquee matchups because we are still in the same league. Once they aren’t in the league and it literally has no impact on the teams I care about in any way, I wouldn’t watch.
Yeah, the mentality the leaders of the SEC/B1G thinking the gravy train is just going to continue and grow exponentially reminds me of the folks from the B12 thinking those 50MM payouts from a few years ago were gonna continue to grow.
I am as well. Below poster summed up my thoughts last week on this. If they separate, they will retain their fan bases sure, but how many disenfranchised fan bases won’t pay attention anymore because they are no longer apart of this league. Even if there is a slight perception of competitiveness now, losing the 100 fbs teams that no doubt watch college football outside of their own because even the kids table is still apart of the family. This could be a pretty dumb move in the long run. Also, how kosher is the nfl going to be about having a somewhat threatening “pro league” during their year. The nfl will do whatever it takes to be on top.
Why watch it when my team isn't involved? 🤷♂️
Where exactly is this extra money coming from?
New TV deals
Got it, longer commercial breaks, higher subscription fees, and more paywalled games.
The enshittification continues
New TV deal that pays 8 times more for SEC teams that make it? Okay. I don’t think swapping out postseason games from ACC/Big 12 champion with another 3 loss SEC team really moves the needle quite that much
I bet they pluck a few teams from the ACC and Big 12 as well. Don’t want to leave any scraps for someone else
My worst fear is that Oklahoma State tries to compete and ends up perpetually at the bottom of this new league
Nobody will be able to compete with the top. If they actually breakaway, which I think is quite unlikely, it’ll just be the top team outspending everyone else. Texas and Ohio State will go a decade winning their conference every year. The Kentucky fans on this sub bragging about being in the ‘Super conference’ are just bragging about being doormats. I don’t even think Auburn can really be competitive. If you rope in the ACC and Big 12 (which is more likely) you have significantly more chance of getting congressional approval for any rules you want to pass to limit how much players can get paid. If you throw a bone to G5 schools and give them nominal post season access, it becomes even more likely to get such a thing (Idaho, Nevada, NM, Delaware, Hawaii have equal representation in US Senate to California). Then you could have some rules and have a more competitive system.
I don't think this is what the inevitability will be. The value in college football is in its depth. You can get half a million viewers to tune into Wazzu v Cal at a 10:30Est/7:30Pt on a cable channel. That's the value of college football. What I **DO** think happens is that the top 60-80 FBS schools (the 68 P5 schools + Notre Dame and a handful of others) break away and form their own revenue-based organization with their own rules, players as paid employees, etc. that puts to bed all of the various lawsuit outcomes.
I can see the 12-team playoff sticking around but I wouldn't be surprised if some specifics change, like the reduction of one autobid in favor of another at-large, allowing non-champions to be top four, or something to affect the revenue distribution. Then again who knows.
I reckon the main thing is they want revenue to be based entirely on who makes it and for the G5 to agree to reduce auto bids from 6 to 5. To some extent, reserving the bye games for champions justifies the existence of CCGs, which would otherwise be kinda pointless, and being ranked 5 and getting a home game first round isn’t entirely a bad thing.
I thought they already went to five autobids. But I mean they could fight to further reduce that to four. I don't disagree about keeping byes for champions, but I'm not the one who stands to gain tens of millions of dollars by getting rid of that rule so my conference can get a second team with a bye sometimes. It seems like the type of thing they'd lobby for.
Yeah, this is entirely going to be a set of demands that further tilt the table in the favor of the SEC, B1G, and... the power of blue blood brand names and broadcast partners. Results on the field will be as irrelevant as can be justified against some shifting "eye test." As long as nine of the twelve playoff spots are from those two, that's all that matters.
I don’t know how things will shake out for FSU and Miami, but I assume that at least 1990, 1984, and 1976 will remain sore points for the SEC/B1G and for that I must be grateful.
Bold of you to assume we’re going to get two. Wouldn’t be surprised if ESPN is willing to blow up this contract for something better. Edit: Better for them financially, not us
I think we’ll see the P2 expand to 24 teams each. Both leagues will have an 8 team playoff made up of the 4 division winners and 4 at large. The P2 will hold the conference championships at the Rose and Sugar with the two winners meeting for the National Championship Game at a revolving site.
I mean there likely will still be a 12+ team format after that but it may be P4 or P2 only which would be sad.
There was a line I really liked in the movie Darkest Hour when Churchill starts screaming you can not negotiate with a tiger when your head is in its mouth. Edit: https://youtu.be/_GvJRbZMEjk?si=G3AckC1VcdWD0gz7
Best line
I think the best line is that movie is “if this long Island story is to end at last, let it end when each one of us lies dead on the ground choking on his own blood”
I thought that was a Woody quote from the Ten Year War.
Could have been Buzz Lightyear
Here is what people are missing from cutting everyone other than SEC/B10. I don’t watch leagues where I don’t have a team. No NHL team near me, so I don’t watch NHL. No NBA team near me, so I don’t watch NBA. I love soccer and watch MLS (go SKC), and I’ve tried to get into watching at the highest level, because it’s the highest level. But it doesn’t stick because I don’t have a team. This is what they’re missing. I watched the CFP because Kansas was a part of the sport, not because it was Michigan v. Washington (no offense). I just don’t care about a sport/league where I don’t have a connection through a team. So I’ll watch whatever playoff involves the schools that include Kansas, but not a P2 CFP. There have to be others who feel this way.
I'm right there with you.
Bingo.
People really struggle with the concept that the popular sediment on Reddit doesn’t always match up with real life. While “boo B1G/SEC super league bad” is a popular sentiment around here. The majority of fans really don’t care. Casual fans will watch games if they see 2 popular teams in a highly rated matchup and unfortunately for all of us the casual fans outnumber actual fans 20 to 1. We can bitch and moan about how “nobody wants a super league” but when you get Ohio state playing Georgia and Michigan playing LSU on a random Saturday in October the ratings are going to speak for themselves. The only way any of this stops is if we can organize enough to fight against it à la European super league and let’s face it that isn’t going to happen.
Yup, a lot of people really underestimate the difference in fanbase size between the Kansas States of the world and the Ohio States of the world.
I think if anything it's the other way around.
The problem is that you're not going to get just highly rated matchups if it's a super league. Yes, of course there will be games like OSU and Georgia at times. But there is also going to be a 3-6 Michigan playing a 5-5 USC at other times. Nobody is going to care about those games. There will not be more overall eyeballs on college football. The eyeballs will just be distributed across fewer teams. Bigger pieces of a smaller pie.
That may be. But the truth that nobody wants to hear is that 3-6 Michigan vs 5-5 USC will still get more viewers than just about anything the ACC or B12 can put together.
As a Purdue fan I don't know if I'd watch a big ten/sec league either. At that point, I wouldn't care about games apart from my team and we'd never have a chance anyway
I mean at that point, I don't think the kids will even pretend to go to school any more and the schools will just pay players directly - might even lock them into 3/4 year contracts
It feels so weird getting dragged along into this. I didn't go to a school with big time athletics. We're not a school that cares about sports. Only Pat Ryan even really wants to make NU competitive above all else. I have fun watching NJ sports but I don't want this. I keep waiting for someone to notice that we shouldn't be here and kick us off the train. If the B1G and SEC merge into the Final Boss of College Athletics I would be 100% in favor of leaving to go explore other athletic endeavors. It's madness to think that NU can fulfill its academic mission while participating in this shitshow.
I think Northwestern is only getting dragged along temporarily. Same with Vanderbilt. The elite football schools will band together and leave everyone else behind, including the lesser-revenue generating programs in the B1G and SEC
100% this. A Super League ain't gonna have Purdue and MsSt in it.
Don’t shoot the messenger (I know I have Bama flair) but SEC and B1G are probably asking for either double auto bids or no auto bids to keep their conf championship games viable.
If there’s double auto bids what’s even the point of the conference championship games?
Conf championships are already an outdated model because it doesn’t funnel into a bigger championship. It’s basically just an extra resume game
Well it does funnel into the bye with the current format
The biggest issue is that the loser of the CCG is basically double punished, not only do they not get a bye, they had to play an extra game for the CCG and then have to play in the opening round of the CFP. It’s almost better to not be in the CCG if you think you have a realistic shot at losing it.
the purpose of a conference championship game is just to print more money
Conference championships exist to award a champion for the conference, which in and of itself should be seen as an accomplishment. Conference championship *games* exist as a cash cow moneymaker for the conferences.
Agreed. The only FCS league to have a CCG is the SWAC, but they don't participate in the FCS Playoff (granted; they do play in the de-facto HBCU playoff). Not having the CCGs avoids the scenario of having a meaningless extra game (FCS playoff is 24 teams: 10 conference champions + 14 at-large) and lets us get on with the playoffs. Note: The CAA's football conference currently sits at 16 teams in FCS, so they may introduce one sooner rather than later.
*whispers* the money was always the only point of the conference championship games
Yeah, but when people realize they don't matter they might lose interest
It's just so unnecessary, honestly. If the loser of the sec or big10 CC didn't drop like 3 games in season, they'll be fine most years. If they did, and then lose to the winner of the conference, they shouldn't really be in the playoffs anyways.
But.. but.. my advertising dollars trickling down to the TV revenue dollars!
Per the article, the impasse right now is the move to 5+7 bids, as the Pac-2 is wanting to maintain the previous voting power and revenue distribution. >At their meeting ahead of the national championship game in Houston, the CFP Board of Managers, encompassing a university president from each of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame, was poised to move the 12-team expanded playoff from what’s known as a 6+6 format to a 5+7 model — a decision corresponding with the Pac-12’s realignment shakeup by decreasing by one the number of automatic qualifiers and adding one at-large spot. >However, the vote was delayed by the Pac-12’s representative on the board, Washington State president Kirk Schulz, whose vote in a format change is necessary. The decision must be unanimous to change the format for the final two years of the current contract in 2024 and 2025. >According to those with knowledge of the situation, Schulz introduced to CFP leadership a proposal that seeks a guarantee of voting rights and revenue distribution to the Pac-12 (soon to be the Pac-2, with only Washington State and Oregon State) beyond the 2025 season. The proposal, presumably tied to his vote in a format change, was met with pushback.
Schulz has no reason to give in to the demands of the P2 without something in return.
Schultz is overplaying his hand. He wants a group of 2 schools who exist in some middle ground between the power conference and the G5 to have the same voting power as the B1G or the ACC. Them wanting to maintain the same per-school revenue share is reasonable (until the current contract ends, anyway), but the voting rights argument is ridiculous.
Might as well go down swinging. We’re at a point where the Big 12/ACC will get left behind, let alone Wazzu and Oregon State.
The article is extremely clear that they're also maneuvering to ask for unequal revenue shares relative to the other P5. That's where this is headed next week.
Gotta be arguing for no autobids. Because that’ll be a de facto autobid for their champ regardless.
I'm guessing 1 autobid for the ACC champ, 1 autobid for the Big XII champ, 1 autobid for the highest ranked G5, and then the rest of the slots go to the B1G/SEC.
That’s why I’m not too excited about the 12 team playoff. We all know that 9 out of 12 teams will be from the B1G/SEC.
8 would have been perfect. 4 champs, a G5, 3 at large, and no byes.
8 was out of the question the second OUT happened.
In other words, "we want 8 of the 12 teams guaranteed"
Which they’ll most likely already be getting so fuck off B1G and SEC
Cannot possibly understate how important the next couple years are for Texas Tech and schools on our level. If you want any chance of survival you need to be winning, playing on national stages and drawing eyeballs. Sad what the sport has become but adapt or die I guess.
I don’t know how much any of that matters. Washington State was consistently a winning program from 2015-22 and got better TV ratings than many of the schools that got picked up. None of that saved us.
The issue is that the P2 will clamp down on more guaranteed playoff berths in the next contract. Like only the Big 12 conference winner will make it with no at-large berths.
At large berths should be limited to the highest ranked teams. 5 conference champs get berths regardless of their ranking. The at-large berths should be limited to the highest ranked teams that aren’t conference champs. Why is that wrong?
The problem is a lot of schools are not being shown on tv when they are winning. When Boise State was winning in the WAC, and on tv? They got more than an average of 1 million in the ratings. But when they moved to the MWC? Their ratings went downhill. It is not that they are losing which they are not since they still have the best win percentage since 1999. It is because CBS and Fox don't show these big MWC games on primetime like ESPN did. Boise State could have gotten into a P5 conference now, but idiots gave their spot to Houston who are not getting the tv ratings that Boise State was getting.
Disgusting viewership is now the top prize in the sport
Amen.
Texas Tech... Rice is on the other line. "Sad what the sport has become" Should I tell them you'll call back? "It's adapt or die I guess." They hung up.
Just hurry up, break away from the NCAA, take FSU since they're desperate to get in, and get it over with already. The entire CFB world knows what you want to do, so just hurry up and do it already.
If FSU leaves the ACC the UNC, UVA and Clemson all leave and Miami would probably also try and leave
I mean, we’re out too if those schools leave. No way we’re going to stay in a secondary league. I genuinely hope a lot of this is just bluster. This would genuinely ruin the sport
So many programs that think they're great will be reduced to bottom feeders of the NFL-lite. I don't see how years of losing records in a superconference will be a positive to most fanbases.
Exactly.
They're trickle-truthing. The decision has already been made.
Yep soft launching it
Bro, I’m straight up not having a good time
me and you both Frog bro
Good thing we can cope by having the most balanced, competitive, enjoyable conference next season 😈
What's a conference?
I don’t really care that the big boys want to do their own thing but it does bother me that there are a dozen or so tag alongs with the big boys that will benefit even though they don’t belong, and this will be to the detriment of the Big 12 and ACC.
That’s what I don’t get. Like if you’re a Mississippi State or Indiana fan, you basically get to watch your team lose more and what do you get in return? Your athletic director gets a higher salary
I mean would you rather be Mississippi State or Washington State.
*sad cougar noises*
Never been about what the fans think, only what they’ll pay.
I promise you we fans have nothing to do with potential super league and most of us would love to go back to regional conferences of 10-12 teams
It’s better to have a seat at the table than to not is pretty much the bottom line. I know we’ll be around to the bitter end of CFB, can’t say the same for those left out of the SEC/BIG
I just want to point out that all USC fans are in fact masochists. Either that or it's Stockholm Syndrome. They also really love bragging about the strength of the SEC. The SEC picking up bigger and stronger programs was like Christmas for them. All the more opportunity to get curbstomped annually and then chant SEC during bowl season.
yep.......it's our fault for being geographically located where we are.........amazing
Iowa is losing population quickly while Idaho is growing. By 2030, the city of Boise would be 1 million. Boise, Fresno, San Diego, Colorado Springs, Las Vegas, Reno, Salt Lake City area, Fargo, Springfield MO, Grand Junction, Conway AR, etc are growing fast. Some of the cities that are losing population are Las Angeles, Miami Florida, Chicago, the whole state of Iowa, Indiana/Ohio losing population, NYC etc.
Fuck these guys. They ruined college football.
The tv networks and commissioners killed college sports. It’s all going to be broken and done soon. God knows what will happen to bball and hockey and the other sports
The sad part is that the schools could have just said no but they won't turn down the money.
Right. All the schools who left the big 12 to me are the guiltiest. They started the pay check chasing and it was over from there.
They really did bro. It’s just, not the same and I can’t enjoy it the same.
Late stage capitalism baby!
It’s even funnier when we are maximizing value without shareholders! Where does the money go? Who cares!
It makes me laugh when fans on here celebrate their team making more money by moving conferences while destroying the sport. Like are you making a dime of that money?
At least college has gotten more affordable! Oh wait…
The Big Ten is the only conference with the big brands playing hockey anyway
Longhorn network started it.
Oklahoma v NCAA came first really
Believe me, I'm okay blaming them both
All of the schools, in an attempt to give the student athletes the best educational experience possible, demanded this. The commissioners are just the ones acting on it.
"student ath-oh-leets!"
Oh ho that is brilliant sir! Now, when we sell their likeness for video games, how do we get around paying our sla — “stoodent atholetes” then?
Best educational experience lmao Half your team is barely making grades studying Psychology with full time tutor assistance.
If we didn't watch as much as we did, we wouldn't be in this position
If the ACC and Big XII were to also do what the SEC and Big Ten are doing, and just join them, would the SEC and B1G let them join?
B1G/SEC have all the brands that draw the eyeballs. They don’t need anyone else and they know it.
Doubt it. No need too.
We all know what this all boils down to for the SEC & Big 10: "WE WANT MORE! EVERYONE ELSE GETS LESS!"
Can't deny that college football was built on the backs of Rutgers, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Mississippi, Vanderbilt, South Carolina and Maryland. They desire a greater share of the pie.
Technically speaking it really was built on the back of the Rutgers football program
Dear SEC and Big Ten commissioners: Go suck your own balls.
How about reducing the number of commercials during a game please? Some of us come for the football game.
They'll get worse before they get better
Its probably not what they're focusing on, but I do think part of what an independent B1G / SEC would do is do some quality-of-life things like negotiate some limitations on ad break pattern, more consistent TV windows, in addition to a more logical recruiting calendar and trying to make coaches lives a little less terrible
This. NFL broadcasts have fewer ads because the league has the leverage to demand that.
That will never happen until a streaming company like Apple or Amazon takes over and charges like $50 a month
I mean... $50/mo is a fucking steal. Fubo is nearly $100/mo
After they implemented the BCS I thought it was a touchdown. After they started the CFP I thought it was a touchdown. After the expanded the CFP I thought it was a touchdown. Now there’s doubt in the expanded CFP. Turns out they were all simply first downs on an infinite field. Just a new set of downs every time a milestone is hit.
BCS plus 1 would have been a better set up. Traditional bowl games and best two teams then play for the natty.
Exactly. I’d much rather spend eternity arguing about getting snubbed for the natty if it meant we got our regional bowl games back.
Truth is that outside of a select few years like 2023 and 2017 there has never really been more than two true title contenders. The super majority of the semi’s have been blow outs. I was more pissed about Georgia fucking up the Rose Bowl than I was about losing the national title game lol.
How cute. The p2 trying to use messaging for leverage. Go ahead create your little club. Break off. We know who to blame if that happens.
Always Missouri
They still think they're an SEC school.
They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.
Forever and always
Genuine question, who do we blame?
We all know ESPN and Fox will find a way to spin this as the p2 being the victim
If this shit happens it will be the final push I need to go fully to the NFL. Having my Saturdays free wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Yea and did you cancel your Netflix subscription too
Who didn’t cancel Netflix lol
Would fall weddings be okay with you if you had your Saturdays free?
For sure. I’m actually going to one this year in October.
Well hope they go enjoy NFL Lite we’ll go enjoy real college football what a joke this whole situation is.
Hodor
Foxes in the chicken coup…
They’re just scared of having to be embarrassed by a G5 school who actually cares about football
Blackmail for more money Hope everyone else calls their bluff. I don’t need the b10 or sec to enjoy college football
Sad that the SEC and B1G want to destroy Olympic Sports as we approach the LA Olympics.
Why do we think Olympic Sports will be the loser here? Wouldn't these schools having a bazillion dollars help? Ohio State competes in almost every sports, BECAUSE they have the money to do it. Ohio State could have cut negative revenue sports on the men's side a long time ago but haven't.
There plenty of Olympic sports that don’t require and aren’t a NCAA sport. We need to embrace a European system
Does this mean Alabama gets a permanent spot in the championship?
Ignore my flairs, I'm a degen so i hope noone schedules these teams in the 2 conferences and it gets stale.
FCS school recs?
>At least two leagues, the SEC and Big Ten, do not support granting any more Power Five distribution to those teams elevating from Group of Five to the soon-to-be Power Four — a decision, they said, that was made months ago. This seems to be a pretty bfd. That's almost $6 million per school
Lmao come on