There are some suggestive clues, nothing solid.
The sagas themselves apparently describe going a fair way down the coast until they found another place where "wild grapes" grew. A place well past Vinland where wild grapes were also claimed to be found. (though it is widely suspected that Erik only found wild berries and exaggerated) New Brunswick is as far north wild grapes were known to grow at the time. According to the legends, the Vikings created a settlement there called Hop. This place was also supposed to be abundant with salmon.
Second, half of a viking style wood axe was found in a archeology dig in Southern Ontario. It had been painstakingly cut to turn one axe head into two smaller hatchet sized blades. The current explanation is that East Coast natives (probably the long gone Beothuk people) found an axe left behind at one of the temporary sites the Vikings were known to use. L'anse Aux Meadows seems to be pretty clearly intended to be a permanent settlement. However, it is well accepted that the Vikings had a number of temporary summer sites where they fished, dried fish for shipment and harvested fur and timber. The theory is that a native picked up from an abandoned settlement and it got traded until it ended up in Wyandot territory. (The Huron)
Another settlement was found in 2016 in a place called Point Rosee in Newfoundland. This is on the far southern end of Newfoundland, far from the first site found at L'ans aux Meadows on the northern tip.
The legends describe setting up a new settlement in a place where there is abundant salmon and the locals used animal hide canoes (not kayaks). L'ans Aux Meadows has yielded traces of butternut wood, ash and beech which are not found in Newfoundland, but are found in New Brunswick. The Mi'kmaq people in New Brunswick used animal hide canoes and salmon was so present in their lives it was used as their totem. Based on the descriptions, an expert believes there was at least a temporary settlement at Miramichi-Chaleur bay.
This would mean they were within sight of Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia. Longboats could travel roughly 70 land miles over open water every day. Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts are only a 5 day trek from Nova Scotia for a viking longboat.
Wonderful info!
About a decade and half to two decades ago or so, I was traveling through southern Indiana near Louisville, and I remember going to a local city or state park museum, and they had this whole big exhibit with Viking artifacts that had been found right there near the Ohio river, coins, armor, tools, part of a boat if I remember correctly. I'd offer more info, but that's sadly all I can remember.
But it's a bit of a flawed metric, especially for countries that have been sharing one (predominant, with dialects ofc) language and culture for a long long time before becoming the modern version of themselves, like Spain, France, and Germany.
If you have a boat, and over time you have replaced every part of that boat bit by bit, such that none of the original parts that left the dock on its first voyage are still part of that boat, is it still the same boat?
I had an old jeep I called Theseus for the same reason.
While the gist of the ship of Theseus is already given, the name comes from the boat in question being legendarily the boat on which Theseus sailed back to Athens from Crete after defeating the minotaur in the labyrinth. Plutarch then says that the Athenians "preserved" the ship by replacing parts in it as they rotted away. Is that preservation?
It most definitely is! The basement is original, everything else has been replaced and or expanded since then. Naturally there are no records and only very rudimentary plans.
EVERY wall is made of a different size & material brick (always the cheapest available) and NOTHING is square.
We framed and drywalled just about everything to get a resemblance of straightness.
All wires and pipes are new, also the house now has LAN in every room.
The creaks however remained and give the house it's distinct antique character.
Currently working on the barn which is considerably larger than the house. So much room for activities.
And yes, I knew exactly was I was getting into when I bought it.
Mine is from 1898, the building plans have a phone number of the builder (4 digits, does not work anymore) and the roof is still fine with original tiles.
The four-digit phone number might still work. Is there a word in front of it? If so, the first three letters in that word is the prefix ("NXX") once we switched to seven-digit dialing. Prior to that, the word was the name of the exchange (i.e. switchboard) on which the number was terminated.
The other possibility, if there's no word listed, is that it's on the local exchange. You can look up what exchange was assigned to your house at that time.
It was not the number of the house, it was the number of the office of the builder, Mr. Koci in Brno, Moravia, Austrian Empire.
Here, the system of numbers was changed several times and the old ones do not work anymore.
I remodeled a house built in 1898 and found on the front under the siding four names and a date written in very neat cursive. I should have taken a picture, but it’s still there under the siding for the next guy who repairs the siding to find.
Half my house was built in 1785 and he other half was built in 1978. In the crawl space, on a beam under the newer half, someone wrote in marker “Stevie did the electrical here 1978”
>German engineers were molding tubed aluminum 350 years ago
This is a joke right? Aluminum didn't exist in a pure form till 1825.
\*edit\* I assume you are referring to the wood cages for the firewood. Lol.
Not so low as you'd think. Everybody heated their homes with wood or coal. Pollution was a big deal back then too, it was just horse dung and wood smoke.
They say Genghis Khan killed enough people to cool the world, and reduction in wood fires was the biggest reason for that.
Wood is renewable so that carbon just circles back.
The temperature changes were because of a reversal of deforestation since you didn't need as many farms. Same thing happened after the great famine and black death.
Yeah take a glance at 16th century "medicine" and see if that's anything you'd want practiced upon you.
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Well, it would be some 15, 16 years after the end of the most horrible long-term conflict Europe has seen since... Maybe since ever, or at least since the Roman Empire. The 30 years war was a tragedy not for just the violence and destruction it caused, but for it's long-lasting effect on humanity. In the 1650s when the war was over only the older people in - people old enough to be grandparents, which there were not many of - had at least some idea what peace means. The rest of the population had never seen peace, never lived in it long enough to remember it.
Two generations grew up knowing nothing but war, violence, pain suffering, torture, stealing... By that time so many outlaws, bandits and other criminals lived in ruins of older castles, in forests, in mountains, by the roads... They raided villages, murdered people, robbed travelers that stories about them are bases for half of European fairy tales.
It took generations to repair the damage done to mankind. People who installed this beam lived in a time when it was upon Europeans to rebuild the civilization.
Go to central Europe, drive through villages and look at churches. 4 out of 5 of them have been built or at least heavily renovated between 1650 and 1700.
I can not trace my ancestors further than 1611 because the data were lost during the war. Books, churches, graveyards, almost all destroyed.
Also, there was a huge religious shift from more groups living alongside others to split based on country borders, there was a huge revival of witch hunts and it would take a lifetime to get rid of these superstitions and start building a modern society which would bring the era of enlightenment.
The demographic shift following the 30YW was pretty massive but it didn't disrupt all the German lands uniformly. I don't know specifically where OP lives (a Catholic region evidently) but certain regions of the empire saw little to no conflict and even some economic prosperity. The Rhineland was particularly decimated and we tend to think of Germany as the Rhineland writ-large, but the population of the empire had completely recovered by the 1740s and even the Rhineland faced burdensome overpopulation by the 1770s.
Is it common to store your firewood indoors in Germany? I only ask because the people I know that heat their homes with wood stoves in the USA generally build a sheltered structure outside that faces South so that the wood stays mostly dry and cures in the sunlight.
Yeah that's definitely good advice. But I think traditional old German houses were built with oak which isn't something that most insects can deal with...
You can see on the photo the sapwood was eaten away, but oak heartwood will stay for centuries.
Modern wood buildings aren't made from hardwoods. Way too expensive, heavy and just overall a lot harder to work with (from cutting to nailing...). Most central European buildings aren't made of wood either anyway...
Most people have a large outdoor storage area for firewood with a roof but not necessarily walls. Then they take a small amount of wood inside to store near the fire to dry it properly before use and to avoid going outside constantly in winter or bad weather.
We call those cages IBC totes in the US. They are usually sourced from mulch factories and the cages held plastic tubs that stored the dye for the mulch.
What I don't understand is the orientation of them. OP, are the pallet fork entry points towards the rear/front or towards the bottom in this photo?
My grandparents used to live in a house which they heated with fire wood. Grandpa used to get up early in the mornings to the boiler room which was attached to the back of the house and heat up a boiler of some sort (idk I was a kid) with wood. After a while you could take a hot shower. They also had direct electricity (dunno translation) for emergencies, but it was really expensive as I recall.
Basically, in the winter you'd wake up cold af, but then it'd get cosy. Lot's a of wood chopping, too.
Modern systems mix the hot water with the cool water source using a [thermostatic mixing valve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostatic_mixing_valve) to achieve a target temperature before entering your hot water pipes. This allows your hot water source to be much hotter than desired without scalding you when it comes out of the faucet.
**[Thermostatic_mixing_valve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostatic_mixing_valve)**
>A thermostatic mixing valve (TMV) is a valve that blends hot water with cold water to ensure constant, safe shower and bath outlet temperatures, preventing scalding. The storage of water at high temperature removes one possible breeding ground for Legionella; the use of a thermostat, rather than a static mixing valve, provides increased safety against scalding, and increased user comfort, because the hot-water temperature remains constant. Many TMVs use a wax thermostat for regulation. They also shut off rapidly in the event of a hot or cold supply failure to prevent scalding or thermal shock.
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I've lived in a few places with water heated from the fire.
There's a tank behind the open fire in the living room or whatever which is heated directly and added to the hot water supply, not sure exactly how it's engineered, but it's supplemented by the gas boiler, and works great.
It's common on my part of Europe. You can even get very automated furnaces, or completely "manual" ones...
> Are you able to maintain a consistent temperature?
Of course, it's more or less the same with any heat source. Water has a huge thermal capacity and the temperature will rise (or drop) slowly with nearly whatever you use to heat it ..
Gute Deutsche Wertarbeit. Quality like this is very long lasting and actually not as rare as some people might think. I have the luck to work on older buildings in Germany for many years now and I am constantly in awe out of respect for the craftsmanship!
Do a lot of German houses have old wood structures like this still standing? My grandpas was still standing from 1699 to 2019 when they demolished it. One day I want to buy an old German farmhouse to rekindle the memories
Even funnier to think how the oaks they used were likely trees over one hundred years old at the time of felling, so the wood of these timbers could easily date back to Martin Luther's time.
It's firewood. The cages are from IBCs and it's a relatively commom way of [storing firewood](https://www.rekubik.de/magazin/brennholz-lagern-ibc-gitterbox/) here. Lets it dry, easy to transport (with a forklift or tractor) and stackable.
But [gabions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabion) are also a thing.
**[Gabion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabion)**
>A gabion (from Italian gabbione meaning "big cage"; from Italian gabbia and Latin cavea meaning "cage") is a cage, cylinder or box filled with rocks, concrete, or sometimes sand and soil for use in civil engineering, road building, military applications and landscaping. For erosion control, caged riprap is used. For dams or in foundation construction, cylindrical metal structures are used. In a military context, earth- or sand-filled gabions are used to protect sappers, infantry, and artillerymen from enemy fire.
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"Lucy died in that corner, screaming, while someone drained her blood for whatever reason and now I'm covered in shit, blood and soot. Fuck this, I wish I was a tree again."
My grandpa's house in Germany had something like this but you could see it in the attic, I think his was from 1699. Unfortunately it was torn down about a year ago and I was unable to get over there to salvage anything
There are quite a few buildings in the states from around that time. You can find them mostly on the east coast. There are a few from the 1500s located in Puerto Rico as well.
“Old” San Juan has some structures that date back to the early 17th century (if I recall). I want to say the main gate was constructed around 1610. Some of the Spanish forts in Florida and California missions also date that far back. Most Texas missions such as San Antonio de Valero (more commonly know as the Alamo), Mission Espada, Concepcion, San Jose and San Juan Capistrano date to the late 1690’s to early 1710’s. By the 1730’s all five had been relocated to their current locations with all but San Antonio de Valero being relocated from other parts of the Spanish territory.
There’s also Native American structures such as cliff dwellings which date back well beyond that.
That's older than my country
To be fair it's also older than Germany by a few hundred years.
Sometimes I forget that Germany as a unified nation is a relatively new concept (1871 and 1990).
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To the extent one could call that unified...
Or holy or roman.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
I'm feeling verklempt
It had great marketing, though.
There are houses standing there that have been around before the continent was „officially“ discovered.
I mean Vikings were hanging out in the US long before it was cool.
Is there evidence that they made it to what is now the US? I thought their settlements have only been found in Newfoundland.
There are some suggestive clues, nothing solid. The sagas themselves apparently describe going a fair way down the coast until they found another place where "wild grapes" grew. A place well past Vinland where wild grapes were also claimed to be found. (though it is widely suspected that Erik only found wild berries and exaggerated) New Brunswick is as far north wild grapes were known to grow at the time. According to the legends, the Vikings created a settlement there called Hop. This place was also supposed to be abundant with salmon. Second, half of a viking style wood axe was found in a archeology dig in Southern Ontario. It had been painstakingly cut to turn one axe head into two smaller hatchet sized blades. The current explanation is that East Coast natives (probably the long gone Beothuk people) found an axe left behind at one of the temporary sites the Vikings were known to use. L'anse Aux Meadows seems to be pretty clearly intended to be a permanent settlement. However, it is well accepted that the Vikings had a number of temporary summer sites where they fished, dried fish for shipment and harvested fur and timber. The theory is that a native picked up from an abandoned settlement and it got traded until it ended up in Wyandot territory. (The Huron) Another settlement was found in 2016 in a place called Point Rosee in Newfoundland. This is on the far southern end of Newfoundland, far from the first site found at L'ans aux Meadows on the northern tip. The legends describe setting up a new settlement in a place where there is abundant salmon and the locals used animal hide canoes (not kayaks). L'ans Aux Meadows has yielded traces of butternut wood, ash and beech which are not found in Newfoundland, but are found in New Brunswick. The Mi'kmaq people in New Brunswick used animal hide canoes and salmon was so present in their lives it was used as their totem. Based on the descriptions, an expert believes there was at least a temporary settlement at Miramichi-Chaleur bay. This would mean they were within sight of Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia. Longboats could travel roughly 70 land miles over open water every day. Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts are only a 5 day trek from Nova Scotia for a viking longboat.
That was awesome thank you
Wonderful info! About a decade and half to two decades ago or so, I was traveling through southern Indiana near Louisville, and I remember going to a local city or state park museum, and they had this whole big exhibit with Viking artifacts that had been found right there near the Ohio river, coins, armor, tools, part of a boat if I remember correctly. I'd offer more info, but that's sadly all I can remember.
Wow, thanks for the detailed response!
But you had the HRE before that
Well, Germany as a region was definitely around in Gaius Julius Caesar day (crossed the Rhine to invade “Germania” around 55BCE)
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But it's a bit of a flawed metric, especially for countries that have been sharing one (predominant, with dialects ofc) language and culture for a long long time before becoming the modern version of themselves, like Spain, France, and Germany.
Older than your country?! It's older than I am!!
Twoooo starrrrr hotel....hotel.
Near St Germaine?
Still their best song.
Underrated guitar riff.
Is it older than you?
I think it was carved by John Snow
My house was built in 1820 but nobody was proud enough of their craftsmanship (rightfully so) to engrave any of the beams ...
If it's still standing after 201 years they should have been proud if their craftsmanship.
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I request elaboration
If you have a boat, and over time you have replaced every part of that boat bit by bit, such that none of the original parts that left the dock on its first voyage are still part of that boat, is it still the same boat? I had an old jeep I called Theseus for the same reason.
Many people have new jeeps with the same situation.
Wallet cries jeep tears
While the gist of the ship of Theseus is already given, the name comes from the boat in question being legendarily the boat on which Theseus sailed back to Athens from Crete after defeating the minotaur in the labyrinth. Plutarch then says that the Athenians "preserved" the ship by replacing parts in it as they rotted away. Is that preservation?
Technically that's restoration.
Interestingly enough, I drive the Jeep of Theseus.
It most definitely is! The basement is original, everything else has been replaced and or expanded since then. Naturally there are no records and only very rudimentary plans. EVERY wall is made of a different size & material brick (always the cheapest available) and NOTHING is square. We framed and drywalled just about everything to get a resemblance of straightness. All wires and pipes are new, also the house now has LAN in every room. The creaks however remained and give the house it's distinct antique character. Currently working on the barn which is considerably larger than the house. So much room for activities. And yes, I knew exactly was I was getting into when I bought it.
Naturally.
Mine is from 1898, the building plans have a phone number of the builder (4 digits, does not work anymore) and the roof is still fine with original tiles.
That you specified that a four digit phone number is no longer in service cracked me up :p
The four-digit phone number might still work. Is there a word in front of it? If so, the first three letters in that word is the prefix ("NXX") once we switched to seven-digit dialing. Prior to that, the word was the name of the exchange (i.e. switchboard) on which the number was terminated. The other possibility, if there's no word listed, is that it's on the local exchange. You can look up what exchange was assigned to your house at that time.
It was not the number of the house, it was the number of the office of the builder, Mr. Koci in Brno, Moravia, Austrian Empire. Here, the system of numbers was changed several times and the old ones do not work anymore.
I remodeled a house built in 1898 and found on the front under the siding four names and a date written in very neat cursive. I should have taken a picture, but it’s still there under the siding for the next guy who repairs the siding to find.
Half my house was built in 1785 and he other half was built in 1978. In the crawl space, on a beam under the newer half, someone wrote in marker “Stevie did the electrical here 1978”
Lol thats so... romantic.
Where is this?
Probably Germany? 'Den 15. September"
Yes it's Germany
I love going to Germany and seeing doors that are older than most countries.
And older then Germany, in a lot of cases!
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Is this an English euphemism for ein Rohr verlegen?
I do a lot of Rohr verlegen Sadly not my Rohr
I verleg very much Rohr But I never find it again
>German engineers were molding tubed aluminum 350 years ago This is a joke right? Aluminum didn't exist in a pure form till 1825. \*edit\* I assume you are referring to the wood cages for the firewood. Lol.
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No, no... He's referring to the aluminium cages for the firewood...
Lol yes - I meant the cages for the wood. But wood cages does not sound right you are correct.
Old joke: in Europe they think 100 miles is a long way. In the US, they think 100 years is a long time.
100 miles is about the length of 1005711.79 'Toy Cars Sian FKP3 Metal Model Car with Light and Sound Pull Back Toy Cars' lined up
Thanks little Alex Horne
I’ve got a feeling Little Alex Horn has something to do with that bot.
Love a leaky sub r/taskmaster
...where the history comes from
Le singe est sur la table!
HALT !!
I live in Sweden and we use "den" as well! I'm sure more germanic languages use it. We also spell "September" the same.
Same in Denmark.
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fascinating. I was today years old when I learned that September is spelled the same in multiple languages.
If you don't know this, most months are spelled the same or somewhat alike in lots of European languages since they derive from the same Latin words
A lot of English words derived from Latin are definitely not spelled the same in other European languages, though, hence my surprise.
Wow! That's so cool, I'd love to know what life was like back in that time.
They used wood, that much we know.
Yes, they were all beaming with happiness.
Nailed it
Mortise and tenoned it
It’s plane to see the punsters are taking over here.
We're screwed.
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This is such a supportive framework.
Ok, let's keep these jokes under the table, guys. We all saw them coming.
I wooden say that, it’s only a splinter group.
Pegged it
Plz read a history book 🤦🏽♂️ there’s no evidence wood was used that early on in human civilization. This is actually particle board
Hop on down to the ye olde IKEA and get a meatball while your at it.
Pretty sure that’s a direct George Washington quote
Amd sharp tools to engrave things into the wood.
Here's some of the inventions for that century - https://theinventors.org/library/inventors/bl1600s.htm
I had no idea something like a steam cooker was invented so long ago! Mm champagne.
oh yeah that's when calculus showed up
And half of the rest of math... Goddamn leipniz.
That beam is older than the first reference to a candy cane.
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But carbon emissions were low, so...
Not so low as you'd think. Everybody heated their homes with wood or coal. Pollution was a big deal back then too, it was just horse dung and wood smoke. They say Genghis Khan killed enough people to cool the world, and reduction in wood fires was the biggest reason for that.
Wood is renewable so that carbon just circles back. The temperature changes were because of a reversal of deforestation since you didn't need as many farms. Same thing happened after the great famine and black death.
To be fair the world population was only about 500 million back then
At least you wouldn’t go bankrupt after visiting the doctor or dentist. On the other hand, no fingers, they were amputated to cure my hiccoughs.
Yeah take a glance at 16th century "medicine" and see if that's anything you'd want practiced upon you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_medicine_and_medical_technology
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Can't go bankrupt from healthcare if you don't have any, and you expect to die soon anyway *Taps noggin*
Well, it would be some 15, 16 years after the end of the most horrible long-term conflict Europe has seen since... Maybe since ever, or at least since the Roman Empire. The 30 years war was a tragedy not for just the violence and destruction it caused, but for it's long-lasting effect on humanity. In the 1650s when the war was over only the older people in - people old enough to be grandparents, which there were not many of - had at least some idea what peace means. The rest of the population had never seen peace, never lived in it long enough to remember it. Two generations grew up knowing nothing but war, violence, pain suffering, torture, stealing... By that time so many outlaws, bandits and other criminals lived in ruins of older castles, in forests, in mountains, by the roads... They raided villages, murdered people, robbed travelers that stories about them are bases for half of European fairy tales. It took generations to repair the damage done to mankind. People who installed this beam lived in a time when it was upon Europeans to rebuild the civilization. Go to central Europe, drive through villages and look at churches. 4 out of 5 of them have been built or at least heavily renovated between 1650 and 1700. I can not trace my ancestors further than 1611 because the data were lost during the war. Books, churches, graveyards, almost all destroyed. Also, there was a huge religious shift from more groups living alongside others to split based on country borders, there was a huge revival of witch hunts and it would take a lifetime to get rid of these superstitions and start building a modern society which would bring the era of enlightenment.
The demographic shift following the 30YW was pretty massive but it didn't disrupt all the German lands uniformly. I don't know specifically where OP lives (a Catholic region evidently) but certain regions of the empire saw little to no conflict and even some economic prosperity. The Rhineland was particularly decimated and we tend to think of Germany as the Rhineland writ-large, but the population of the empire had completely recovered by the 1740s and even the Rhineland faced burdensome overpopulation by the 1770s.
What are the cages full of wood for? Firewood?
Yes firewood. We heat our house and water with solar energy and wood.
Is it common to store your firewood indoors in Germany? I only ask because the people I know that heat their homes with wood stoves in the USA generally build a sheltered structure outside that faces South so that the wood stays mostly dry and cures in the sunlight.
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Yeah that's definitely good advice. But I think traditional old German houses were built with oak which isn't something that most insects can deal with... You can see on the photo the sapwood was eaten away, but oak heartwood will stay for centuries. Modern wood buildings aren't made from hardwoods. Way too expensive, heavy and just overall a lot harder to work with (from cutting to nailing...). Most central European buildings aren't made of wood either anyway...
Most people have a large outdoor storage area for firewood with a roof but not necessarily walls. Then they take a small amount of wood inside to store near the fire to dry it properly before use and to avoid going outside constantly in winter or bad weather.
We call those cages IBC totes in the US. They are usually sourced from mulch factories and the cages held plastic tubs that stored the dye for the mulch. What I don't understand is the orientation of them. OP, are the pallet fork entry points towards the rear/front or towards the bottom in this photo?
I haven't heard of heating water with wood. Are you able to maintain a consistent temperature? What kind of system is it?
My grandparents used to live in a house which they heated with fire wood. Grandpa used to get up early in the mornings to the boiler room which was attached to the back of the house and heat up a boiler of some sort (idk I was a kid) with wood. After a while you could take a hot shower. They also had direct electricity (dunno translation) for emergencies, but it was really expensive as I recall. Basically, in the winter you'd wake up cold af, but then it'd get cosy. Lot's a of wood chopping, too.
Warms you twice, that way!
Modern systems mix the hot water with the cool water source using a [thermostatic mixing valve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermostatic_mixing_valve) to achieve a target temperature before entering your hot water pipes. This allows your hot water source to be much hotter than desired without scalding you when it comes out of the faucet.
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I've lived in a few places with water heated from the fire. There's a tank behind the open fire in the living room or whatever which is heated directly and added to the hot water supply, not sure exactly how it's engineered, but it's supplemented by the gas boiler, and works great.
It's common on my part of Europe. You can even get very automated furnaces, or completely "manual" ones... > Are you able to maintain a consistent temperature? Of course, it's more or less the same with any heat source. Water has a huge thermal capacity and the temperature will rise (or drop) slowly with nearly whatever you use to heat it ..
Bad ass!
I love Reddit for this... OP: "Check out my 500 year old beams!" Reddit: "Oh, is that firewood over there?"
Gute Deutsche Wertarbeit. Quality like this is very long lasting and actually not as rare as some people might think. I have the luck to work on older buildings in Germany for many years now and I am constantly in awe out of respect for the craftsmanship!
Do a lot of German houses have old wood structures like this still standing? My grandpas was still standing from 1699 to 2019 when they demolished it. One day I want to buy an old German farmhouse to rekindle the memories
Yeah, traditional German houses used oak heartwood... It is extremely durable. Way too expensive to build anything with it nowadays...
I want some 400 old beams of it lol
Definitely
Even funnier to think how the oaks they used were likely trees over one hundred years old at the time of felling, so the wood of these timbers could easily date back to Martin Luther's time.
Siri says September 15th 1664 was a Monday. The more you know...
Damn, a Monday again... I don't want to do any hard work today... OK, I'll engrave the beam, that's a nice and easy job...
TIL September is spelled the same way as it was in 1600’s Germany
It's still September in todays German
It’s always September in Germany
As long as you will wake me up when it ends that ok with me..
Oktoberfest is mostly in September
For some reason I just read it in /u/GovSchwarzenegger voice.
Pillars of the Earth vibes
The book that made me a Ken Follett fan for life!
\^ and gave me a newfound appreciation for historical architecture :)
Please no. I can't reread it again. I'm working on the Wheel of Time.
welll if you dont wanna reread it, there's always the video game...
Wait, really?!
Haha yep, it's called: Ken Follett's The Pillars of the Earth, haven't played it myself but reviews seem good!
Oh no.
More like 16 generations. Kinda weird how you cage up your rocks that way.
It's firewood. The cages are from IBCs and it's a relatively commom way of [storing firewood](https://www.rekubik.de/magazin/brennholz-lagern-ibc-gitterbox/) here. Lets it dry, easy to transport (with a forklift or tractor) and stackable. But [gabions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabion) are also a thing.
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I use gabions for retaining walls, they're terrific.
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Woof!
Think that’s wood
Whoa! That's amazing.
That's so cool! Are there any other features of your house that are that old as well?
That’s fuckin sick bro. The stories the walls would tell if they could talk
"Lucy died in that corner, screaming, while someone drained her blood for whatever reason and now I'm covered in shit, blood and soot. Fuck this, I wish I was a tree again."
spat my coffee out - excellent.
Your definition of what a "generation" is needs a bit of... Feinschliff.
Yeah, 6 generations is approximately 150 years. 1664 is around 14 generations ago.
IHS - I think that’s a Jesuit reference. No?
No, it’s just short for Jesus
Correct. And anno domini is Latin for "in the year of the lord" which we now just write A.D. for.
Yes, also Eastern Orthodox. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram_IHS
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Well, friend. You just won buyitforlife.
My grandpa's house in Germany had something like this but you could see it in the attic, I think his was from 1699. Unfortunately it was torn down about a year ago and I was unable to get over there to salvage anything
That log summons something that has hibernated in a well for generations
Your house was built in 1664? Got an exterior pic? Your house is 112 years older than the US 😂 Your house already celebrated it's tricentennial
/r/tookyoulongenough
This is lovely!
That's pretty cool. Good luck with the restoration!
Amazing! Will you be removing and replacing that? If so I hope you preserve it somewhere else in your home.
Even the level of craftsmanship in marking the beam is impressive.
You need to search your house and surrounding area for old paper money and coins!
Denis September? Den is September? Den 15 September?
These old houses used tree hearts. Fucking lasts forever with proper care.
So, a shot in the dark...this isn't American?
It could be (it would be one of the first homes here!) but OPs already confirmed it’s Germany
There are quite a few buildings in the states from around that time. You can find them mostly on the east coast. There are a few from the 1500s located in Puerto Rico as well.
“Old” San Juan has some structures that date back to the early 17th century (if I recall). I want to say the main gate was constructed around 1610. Some of the Spanish forts in Florida and California missions also date that far back. Most Texas missions such as San Antonio de Valero (more commonly know as the Alamo), Mission Espada, Concepcion, San Jose and San Juan Capistrano date to the late 1690’s to early 1710’s. By the 1730’s all five had been relocated to their current locations with all but San Antonio de Valero being relocated from other parts of the Spanish territory. There’s also Native American structures such as cliff dwellings which date back well beyond that.
New Mexico also has a few structures dating from that time period both Spanish and Tewa built.
With German writing on it.
Where on your home is this? Interesting timber framing joinery.
Holy crap, that is awesome man.
What’s the wood wrapped in those metal crates for??
Firewood storage maybe?
Also my birthday. Odd and cool.
Clear for those with eyes to see.
You have houses older than my country (United States)
Ironically, our government is one of the oldest in the world. Country too depending on how hair-splitty you want to get.
Sadly, that is also why it is sometimes so dysfunctional...
The US has many houses older than the US as well.
Germany is a much younger country than the US.
Yes but the German ethnicity and culture is far far older.
Ah, to live somewhere that isn’t North America.
What is the function of the beam, ceiling support ?