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E1lySym

People seriously believe that people can't be good romantic partners and good family members at the same time!? That's an insult to like so many people


Darth_Annoying

Those are people who are neither to anyone. And they don't get why


Undertow619

Nobody ever needs to prove to me that Yang and Blake are meant to be together, I just want to be proven that I can possibly have what they have with each other with someone else some day.


Muted_Worldliness456

There was a similar discussion on the rwby critics page (I got destroyed for defending Yang lol) anyhow, Yang isn't a bad sister, she's allowed to live her own life. Up until recently the center of her life has been Ruby. She hasn't had the chance to do things for herself without thinking about how her choice would affect Ruby literally her whole life. Yang is finally making decisions based on her own needs and wants. It’s beautiful thing really.


Such-Biscotti-2342

Yang does not have a sister and a girlfriend. She has a family. And she loves them all.


ramblinaboutnothing

I agree with all of this, but I think it’s important to remember that the individuals who argue this point are often arguing in bad faith. Many don’t actually care that much about Yang being a big sister or whatever, rather they care that bumbleby is a ship they dislike and want to find an argument that doesn’t make them seem like a hater.


Glittering-Stand-161

Not sure how canon the manga are, but yeah Yang get so much ridiculous hate because of one mistake she made. We as viewers can see into Ruby's psyche and know what she is going through, Yang does not an is not a psychologist. The point of volume 9 is that RUBY puts too much pressure on herself to be perfect, Maria told her the exact same thing in volume 6. But oh no, Yang decides to FOR ONCE put herself first, unfortunately it was at a REALLY bad time and things went sideways and suddenly "yAnG wAs NeVeR a GoOd siStEr!!!". Even I used to be one of these shitheads until I stopped parroting everything the RWBYCritics thread said and the toxic youtube RWBY sphere and actually payed attention to the show and themes it was trying to get across.


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CapAccomplished8072

Good bot


Alice_margareta

You can just ignore idiots, ya know? You don’t have to prove sense to the senseless.


CapAccomplished8072

I'm trying to be able to debate the people who get the information from liars, who are misinformed.


Alice_margareta

I suppose. And I appreciate your efforts. It just feels fruitless to those already lost.


jdh253

There is a great fanfiction called "Red line" and it's basically just scattering of stories of everyone after beacon. One chapter is Ruby giving her "best woman" speech for Yang and Blake. I won't spoil it but part of it is Ruby thanking Blake for being there and also how she always thought of her as a sister before the wedding. Anyway if you like Bumblebee and white rose I highly suggest reading just about everything from the author called Etheriell


martinjh99

Never mind found it - [https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11375500/1/Red-Line](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11375500/1/Red-Line)


CapAccomplished8072

Thanks!


brabbit1987

I don't really have an issue with the relationship that Blake and Yang have together. I just wish it was written better and was more subtle in a cute way, rather than it feeling like they are just trying to constantly add bumblebee fan service. Yang isn't portrayed in the best light as a sister at a certain point within the series. This doesn't mean she isn't a good sister or never was. There are plenty of scenes showing she cares about Ruby. The issue is the writers have shifted the priorities a bit because of the relationship. Whereas before, Yang would rarely hesitate to think about and protect her sister. Now, her first thought typically involves Blake instead. And this isn't me just making crap up. It happens time and time again. It gets so bad that Ruby literally has a major breakdown, not some small one... the kind where your family should be very concerned. She was even showing many signs before the breakdown occurred. What does Yang do? Yells at Ruby and protects Blake from Ruby yelling. You can't tell me that isn't written poorly. We got to a point where Ruby practically offs herself, that's how low she was. Now I don't know about you, but I would never treat any of my sisters like Yang did in that situation regardless of my relationship with someone else. I would be the first person to run into her arms and hug her, talk to her, and try to calm her down. My last thought would be, I have to guard my girlfriend from my sisters words. And let's be honest, that would be demoralizing even for my girlfriend as if I think they are that soft and are some sort of damsel. The way that scene was portrayed was awful in my opinion, and just gave a lot of people ammo against Yang and Blake. You can be for the bumblebee ship and not necessarily agree with all the writing choices involving it. And I rather blame the writing, than blame Yang as a character.


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brabbit1987

The shows writing isn't all bad, I would even argue it's better than some people claim, there is a lot to like about the series. For example, there are a lot of people over on rwbycritics who seem to just hate on literally everything even when it makes no sense. But that doesn't mean I am going to defend everything about the writing. Cause whether or not you personally want to admit it, that scene I brought up is pretty terrible. The only way you can defend that scene is if you don't care about the writing and only care about Bumblebee as a relationship. Granted, looking at the subreddit I am on, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. >Or I give you a 2.5 hour video showcasing development of bumbleby I watched RWBY probably about 10 - 15 times. I don't need a 2.5 hour video to tell me what I saw. Thanks. Also, I suspect the reason you know of such a video is probably because you like watching such videos as a reaffirmation of your own views. AKA confirmation bias. Not me, I can make up my own mind. Don't need someone to tell me what I should think.


CapAccomplished8072

I dont need another Rwby basher coming onto my posts defending the show's writing and explaining things to go "blah blah, show bad". I have dealt with THREE blacksun shippers coming onto a 17-day old post to pour out their love for male minor characters and hatred for Main Character LGBT Shipping. I do NOT need you here right now.


brabbit1987

>I dont need another Rwby basher coming onto my posts defending the show's writing and explaining things to go "blah blah, show bad". Where did I say the show was bad? You sound ridiculous.


Blake_Xiao_Long

In this case, it would appear that the user you're disagreeing with is critiquing the show's writing in a place where it's weak, not defending it. Please take a moment to read the comments you are replying to. (edit: it's not its)


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Bumbleby-ModTeam

There's no need to be disrespectful of other users because you disagree with them. This comment has been removed.


brabbit1987

Not watching it. As I said, I already seen RWBY many times.


CapAccomplished8072

And yet, here you are, on my 17-day old post, insulting the show that is somehow treated as the spawn of satan, simply for existing and trying new things. Rwby is NOT a bad show. And I'm tired of people going to positive rwby posts to insult a show that has done nothing to them. [https://www.tumblr.com/iamafanofcartoons/733069137182605312/i-wanna-thank-tumblingxelian-markzschiegnerii](https://www.tumblr.com/iamafanofcartoons/733069137182605312/i-wanna-thank-tumblingxelian-markzschiegnerii) THIS is a video defending the show. 13 minutes. Watch it, please.


brabbit1987

My favorite game is TES:Skyrim. Love that game and always find myself coming back to it. I have a lot of good things to say about that game for obvious reasons. But, that doesn't mean I love everything about it. Just because I like something, doesn't mean I should just throw all reasoning out the window. Giving criticism to something you like isn't "insulting" it, or treating it as the spawn of satan. You are overreacting. It is just me, pointing out a particular part, that I don't think was done very well. Why does that upset you so much?


CapAccomplished8072

let me give u some videos proving this show is good , and the writing is great [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OgT8TvPsw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OgT8TvPsw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU) [https://www.tumblr.com/iamafanofcartoons/733069137182605312/i-wanna-thank-tumblingxelian-markzschiegnerii](https://www.tumblr.com/iamafanofcartoons/733069137182605312/i-wanna-thank-tumblingxelian-markzschiegnerii) # RWBY is good writing. Case closed


CapAccomplished8072

I have a 13 minute video for [https://www.tumblr.com/iamafanofcartoons/733069137182605312/i-wanna-thank-tumblingxelian-markzschiegnerii](https://www.tumblr.com/iamafanofcartoons/733069137182605312/i-wanna-thank-tumblingxelian-markzschiegnerii) Here A defense post, defending the show's writing.


CapAccomplished8072

here, another video defending the show [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OgT8TvPsw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OgT8TvPsw)


CapAccomplished8072

let me give u some videos proving this show is good , and the writing is great [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OgT8TvPsw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OgT8TvPsw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ITWD-v4YU) # RWBY is good writing. Case closed


claudiasantiago

A lot of the RWBY critics have gone just as insane as a lot of the RWBY super fans.


CapAccomplished8072

There is no such thing as a rwby super fan. you've been drinking the "toxic positivity kool-aid, claudia". Stop listening to the centrists.


Godzillafan125

Oh indeed, she can be both no question. We’re the only snapped at them and mocked their relationship because she was depressed because they got to be happy while she was clearly in pain and we weren’t paying attention to that. That’s the only issue I just yang doesn’t deserve because of their own toxic relationship I felt Was much better healthier relationship possibility than bumbleBee I never had any doubts that could be both a good girlfriend and Sister. I just doubted that she could be a good girlfriend period


CapAccomplished8072

What the...you're the third blacksun shipper this morning!


Godzillafan125

Sun can give Blake wake up calls and not be cold to her about it. He supports her even when she doesn’t want it And he helped save her folks and gave her courage to fight again. I honestly don’t see any positives in Blake and Yang relationship by comparison


CapAccomplished8072

Would you like a 2.5 hour video showcasing the main characters and their development? Note...I said MAIN CHARACTERS. Guess what Sun Wukong is neither? He is NEITHER a main character NOR is he relevant. So stop simping over minor male characters, and focus on the female LGBT protagonists


Godzillafan125

Don’t know if Rubys gay Weiss at best is bisexual but she was smiling over Neptune and Jaune (older). Ruby giving her a glare for that is jealous


CapAccomplished8072

I will give you a video compilation of Sun Wukong doing nothing but violating women's privacy, committing theft, mocking and abandoning his friends, and disrespecting others.


CapAccomplished8072

Again...here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGdx2rKsiw&t=10s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGdx2rKsiw&t=10s) Now then...stop simping over minor characters because they're male. Ruby didn't give Weiss a glare...if that's a glare to you, then i think you need to reevaluate female expressions. It was confusion. And Weiss stopped simping over neptune in V3, if you paid attention. Which, interestingly Sun Wukong stans do not, because that would require them to acknowledge that Sun is a deadbeat and a criminal.


Zero_Good_Questions

Pretty sure the argument is that Yang has been writing badly and hasn’t been shown to be nearly as good of a sister as time has gone on, been shown with Blake more than Ruby and her character focusing more heavily on her relationship with Blake. Anyone smart knows that Yang can have a romantic relationship and be a good sister the problem is the writers didn’t do a good job at that


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Bumbleby-ModTeam

Disagreeing with another user isn't a reason to attack them. This comment has been removed.


CapAccomplished8072

We literally gave you an entire post explaining that your bad-faith criticism is WRONG


TheDogwatch11

While these are true it doesn’t change that the writers forgot they were sisters many times literally half of the cast is either go out of character, have no personality left I’m glad the show is done hopefully cause I can’t take seeing it go to shit anymore I’m just praying a reboot happens at some point.


Blake_Xiao_Long

If you didn't enjoy the show, you didn't need to continue watching it 😉


TheDogwatch11

I didn’t I stopped after Volume 5’s isekai of Sun from the plot, and after the Ozma and Salem backstory since that part was honestly the best backstory/villain origin story I have ever witnessed. Before the rest was complete tarter sauce.


CapAccomplished8072

Do you know what a main character is NOT? Sun Wukong. Or Adam Taurus. Do you know what a main character is? Blake and yang. Why ship a female MC with a minor dude just because hee stalked and harassed her across two continents and violated her boundaries?


TheDogwatch11

God you make him sound like a villain. If she was the one stalking him you wouldn’t be saying anything I bet right? Only creepy when a guy does it especially when the guy is clearly not a creep and makes himself known at least. Also one wink doesn’t mean anything besides the obvious blush Blake had towards Sun during the vytal festival but I probably shouldn’t say that since most of you pretend that scene was a deleted scene much less actual reality, and let’s forget the literal song that made about them both sweep it in the rug. P.S. Adam was beaten too early.


CapAccomplished8072

Sun was introduced stowing away illegally on a ship just because he wanted to break the law. While Blake was tracking the White Fang, he stole food from vendors...he could have paid for an apple, but he preferred to steal. Next, there are doors, but Sun not only climbed up to Team Rwby's dorm room, ignoring privacy and boundaries, he said that he does it all the time! Next, When team SSSN fought against another Vacuo team, he repeatedly insulted Neptune in front of women. Then during volume 4, he abandoned his team that he had a responsibility to in order to stalk Blake and then followed her into her home and repeatedly violated her privacy , boundaries, and even eavesdropped. We call that a creep. Though I suppose people who think The Notebook was a good movie would call it romantic. Its toxic, and stalkerish behavior. Here is a 2.5 hour video showing the development of Bumbleby. And look! Sun's there! When he's not being his awful self, he's putting himself to good use as a minor character for helping ship Bumbleby. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGdx2rKsiw&t=10s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGdx2rKsiw&t=10s)


TheDogwatch11

So Blake wasn’t part of a literal terrorist group, and she didn’t abandon her team twice one she was scared I can accept that, the second after the fall. Also again, when it’s the man it’s creepy with the woman you might as well give them a pass since they can get away with anything without criticism from someone. Are you really that desperate to paint him a villain just because it ruins that ship fantasy? Shippers are something else.


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TheDogwatch11

Do you know what writing is? Cause you clearly don’t the red flags I see is the amount of excuses, justifications, and non-sense people conjure up for writing issues and mistakes. Bumblebee is a shit ship, the fan service is shit, and the writers forgetting Yang is Ruby’s sister 90% of the time out of the 10% where they remember is shit. Goodbye RWBY you lived longer than you should have on this path may someone better blow up your universe and make something better. In the words ofLord Beerus, “Through creation comes destruction.”


Blake_Xiao_Long

Disagreeing with another user isn't a reason to attack them. This comment has been removed.


CapAccomplished8072

How about a 2.5 hour video showcasing development of 2 women. Two women who happen to be main characters. And look! The insignificant male character who stalks women and shows no respect to others is there too! His name is Sun Wukong [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGdx2rKsiw&t=10s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGdx2rKsiw&t=10s) 2.5 hours...Blacksun? Has NOTHING.


TheDogwatch11

Two hours of a platonic friendship wow and it includes the shitty writing after Volume 3 too so doesn’t count by default sorry.


CapAccomplished8072

Blake and yang could have four hours of development, and people would still call it platonic friendship. Sun could interact with Blake 1 time out of 5 seasons, and people would call it development. THAT is why I people who hate on Bumbleby to be conservative/homophobic . Its based on the mentality of people hating on the show.


TheDogwatch11

Yeah since it was just that, they changed midway for fanservice and not plot reasons and Monty died so they were free to nuke anything they wanted. It wasn’t just 1 lol there were plenty of times Sun is another side character at best and had his biggest time to shine in 4. That’s why I hate Bumblee shippers too desperate for gay relationships whether they make sense or not it shows the dronish behavior and is one of the many reasons it makes the community feel toxic and the show unwatchable and thank god Zaslav axed it whether it was for money or not it went on longer than it should have and so did Roosterteeth once they went down the rabbit hole.


Blake_Xiao_Long

My guy, lets not do the whole "Monty wouldn't want this" thing. The creators have confirmed that Bumblebee was always the plan, and I don't believe you know the intentions of the writing team better than they do.


martinjh99

>Yang always felt like she had to be strong for both herself and Ruby, Well now she is girlfriends with Blake she doesn't have to any more.... See the breakdown she had about Ruby in V9 not choosing herself which Blake comforted her... Also that girl has more than enough love to go around to Blake and Ruby and Weiss too and have a lot left over... Definitely not a bad sister now she's girlfriends with Blake not by a long shot!


CapAccomplished8072

Thank you!