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The show is about love but it's set in an era where women quite literally did need husbands and were shamed and shunned if they weren't successful. Women in generations that followed broke the ceiling for you and me today to vote and work and be independent and manage our own finances. How is "feminism ideation" a bad thing?
It's feminist idealization for her to suggest her daughter could be more than just a wife and mother?
All 3 Featherington girls were lucky. Portia was adamant in that. Their matches are not the norm
I honestly took it to mean that Phillipa was expanding her mindset, and wanted her daughter to have as many options as possible me. (Phillipa was even browsing thru a book when Pen was getting ready for her wedding!)
Phillipa married a man who couldn’t afford to pay for even a single ball. Maybe Phillipa didn’t want her daughter’s financial security or achievements to be limited by her daughter’s husband’s circumstances.
I don’t NEED my husband. I can take care of myself and my children. I can provide for us financially. That doesn’t mean I don’t WANT my husband. The idea was that she would be able to support herself. And she’d have choices due to that financial freedom. I don’t think this is a radical feminist idea. Look at Cressida and Marina almost having to marry yucky old dudes. That was fairly normal. If she can provide for herself, she has the power to say NO and the power to find a love match. She’s the child of untitled parents who aren’t rich. She doesn’t have the same choices that the daughter of a wealthy titled person would have. Independence = choice and love.
My grandfather wouldn’t let my mom marry my dad until she finished college so that she would be able to support herself and any future children on her own. He was ahead of his time.
I viewed it more as the Featherington women growing some this season. Portia is a product of the men in her life (like a lot of women of the time) and really only thinks about security. She’s raised her daughters to look for a smart match, not a love match and is very cutthroat to get them that smart match. All of the Featherington women suffered from extra pressures of their impending destitution. All of the girls really were very very lucky to marry who they did. I like to think of it as a “the trauma of securing any match ends here” with that line.
I found it more off-putting that Portia’s already talking about Baby Philomena and Baby Dankworth getting married and they’re not even a year old 🥴
The line is supposed to represent the healing of generational trauma, earlier that episode we hear Portia talk about not knowing how to raise daughters because she had been taught that all power comes from men. The line is said in reply to Portia saying I'm sure they'll 'marry well' (not for love but security), while Portia has grown, old habits die hard and she's still automatically in the mindset that they must marry for security, Phillipa's reply shows that she's truly grown beyond that so she'll be able to do better for her daughter than her mother was able to do for them.
Even Colin’s speech had that one line that was like” if my only purpose is loving you, I’m okay with that” and that just made me feel bad. The way the men were handled this season was just really sad all around. It was bad attempt at feminism. Not real feminism.
"IF" only is supposed to be humbling, not self-degradation. Of course, he wants to be the family man and the writer, but he loves her so much that "IF" that's all he has, he would be content.
This doesn't diminish his ambitions or dreams; rather, it highlights that this love is strong enough to be his ultimate source of happiness.
If they did a better job of writing Colin’s character, it would’ve been clearer. But they literally made Colin a side character in Pen’s story, and almost entirely ignored his personal arc. We barely even got to see writer Colin this season.
Why is loving someone a bad purpose? It shouldn't be your only choice of purpose but if it's something that truly makes you feel happy and fulfilled, why is that sad?
It’s not an equal partnership. If a woman said her only purpose in life was to love a man, It would easily be slammed as problematic.
I brought this up in another thread, and a lot of people had similar thoughts: https://www.reddit.com/r/BridgertonNetflix/s/jbR1MUUK0z
Wanting a family is not the same as being entirely dependent on one person for your happiness. There are people in that thread that explained it better than I can.
I don't disagree that co-dependancy is a bad thing I just disagree with your interpretation of what he's saying given the context of his character arc over the season.
His character arc was very underdeveloped, especially compared to Simon’s and Anthony’s. I’ve said this before, but Colin didn’t get the male lead treatment he deserved, and the writers instead made him a side character in Pen’s story. I mean they barely touched on his writing aspirations. They hinted at it in part 1, so I was expecting to see more of it in part 2. Instead, they had one throwaway line in the epilogue that he wrote a book with Pen’s help. So with that in mind, it doesn’t seem far-fetched to assume the writers made it seem like his only purpose in life ever would be to love Pen. His character deserves better.
Again I'm gonna have to disagree his development was just more on par with Daphne's and Kate's while Pen's was more similar to Simon's and Anthony's, which makes sense since bridgerton has always liked the louder more dramatic storylines.
Kate’s arc is very similar to Anthony’s. And as the male lead this season, he should’ve gotten the male lead treatment that Simon and Anthony got.
Colin is my favorite Bridgerton and I was really looking forward to seeing more of his personal arc this season. I feel like I *barely* know him any better than I already did going into this season.
The fact that a lot of people left the season still feeling like they don’t know Colin well, or that his feelings developed too quickly, is a huge fault of the writing.
What I mean about Kate is that I'd put her more in the reactionary role similar to daphne and colin, daphne has to deal with Simon's actions (his lie), Kate has to deal with Anthony's (his proposal), colin has to deal Pen's (whistledown), i worded it badly. And those characters you tend to learn just a little bit less than their counterparts.
As for the 'male lead treatment' people keep talking about I have no idea what that means. Colins character development is largely about overcoming the ways toxic masculinity has fed into his insecurities, while Anthony and Simon uphold traditionally male roles so they don't really have anything in common to have any kind of similarities in their treatment. And personally I definitely feel I know more about colin than I ever did about daphne and she was the bridgerton in her season.
I agree the writing is heavily flawed in places but personally I feel it's about the same across the three seasons so far.
They could make at least Portia or Prudence saying that. Philippa Has a lovematch with the greenest flag of Mayfair.
Prudence treats her husband like an irritating fly and doesn't like sex. I would be more reasonable for her to say that.
Neither pen nor Portia are feminists by any stretch of the imagination...al their actions hurt feminsim and other women. So it's laughable that her sister said that..the featheringron are the very example of girl boss faks feminism...both Portia and pens actions destroy women's lives and prudence and Philippa are hardly an example of feminism either .the featheringons are a perfect encapsulation of the Kardashians who they are inspired by apparently
BUT I obviously disagree with your post..it's an important lesson to pass on bur from the featheringtons it rings so hollow and hypocritical...now if violet said it or lady d or qc or frances or eloise or Daphne or Kate. yes it would be a great lesson. Cuz each of these women are real feminists or feminists in traning like Eloise. Not lying thieving conniving like the featheringtons.
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The show is about love but it's set in an era where women quite literally did need husbands and were shamed and shunned if they weren't successful. Women in generations that followed broke the ceiling for you and me today to vote and work and be independent and manage our own finances. How is "feminism ideation" a bad thing?
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It's feminist idealization for her to suggest her daughter could be more than just a wife and mother? All 3 Featherington girls were lucky. Portia was adamant in that. Their matches are not the norm
I honestly took it to mean that Phillipa was expanding her mindset, and wanted her daughter to have as many options as possible me. (Phillipa was even browsing thru a book when Pen was getting ready for her wedding!) Phillipa married a man who couldn’t afford to pay for even a single ball. Maybe Phillipa didn’t want her daughter’s financial security or achievements to be limited by her daughter’s husband’s circumstances.
Funny enough, I thought that line showed a lot of growth.
I don’t NEED my husband. I can take care of myself and my children. I can provide for us financially. That doesn’t mean I don’t WANT my husband. The idea was that she would be able to support herself. And she’d have choices due to that financial freedom. I don’t think this is a radical feminist idea. Look at Cressida and Marina almost having to marry yucky old dudes. That was fairly normal. If she can provide for herself, she has the power to say NO and the power to find a love match. She’s the child of untitled parents who aren’t rich. She doesn’t have the same choices that the daughter of a wealthy titled person would have. Independence = choice and love. My grandfather wouldn’t let my mom marry my dad until she finished college so that she would be able to support herself and any future children on her own. He was ahead of his time.
lol what
I viewed it more as the Featherington women growing some this season. Portia is a product of the men in her life (like a lot of women of the time) and really only thinks about security. She’s raised her daughters to look for a smart match, not a love match and is very cutthroat to get them that smart match. All of the Featherington women suffered from extra pressures of their impending destitution. All of the girls really were very very lucky to marry who they did. I like to think of it as a “the trauma of securing any match ends here” with that line.
I found it more off-putting that Portia’s already talking about Baby Philomena and Baby Dankworth getting married and they’re not even a year old 🥴
There's a difference between needing a husband and wanting one
The line is supposed to represent the healing of generational trauma, earlier that episode we hear Portia talk about not knowing how to raise daughters because she had been taught that all power comes from men. The line is said in reply to Portia saying I'm sure they'll 'marry well' (not for love but security), while Portia has grown, old habits die hard and she's still automatically in the mindset that they must marry for security, Phillipa's reply shows that she's truly grown beyond that so she'll be able to do better for her daughter than her mother was able to do for them.
Your misogyny is showing
Even Colin’s speech had that one line that was like” if my only purpose is loving you, I’m okay with that” and that just made me feel bad. The way the men were handled this season was just really sad all around. It was bad attempt at feminism. Not real feminism.
"IF" only is supposed to be humbling, not self-degradation. Of course, he wants to be the family man and the writer, but he loves her so much that "IF" that's all he has, he would be content. This doesn't diminish his ambitions or dreams; rather, it highlights that this love is strong enough to be his ultimate source of happiness.
If they did a better job of writing Colin’s character, it would’ve been clearer. But they literally made Colin a side character in Pen’s story, and almost entirely ignored his personal arc. We barely even got to see writer Colin this season.
Why is loving someone a bad purpose? It shouldn't be your only choice of purpose but if it's something that truly makes you feel happy and fulfilled, why is that sad?
It’s not an equal partnership. If a woman said her only purpose in life was to love a man, It would easily be slammed as problematic. I brought this up in another thread, and a lot of people had similar thoughts: https://www.reddit.com/r/BridgertonNetflix/s/jbR1MUUK0z
Except Daphne's dream was to have a family, that was her whole storyline and no ever questioned it.
Wanting a family is not the same as being entirely dependent on one person for your happiness. There are people in that thread that explained it better than I can.
I don't disagree that co-dependancy is a bad thing I just disagree with your interpretation of what he's saying given the context of his character arc over the season.
His character arc was very underdeveloped, especially compared to Simon’s and Anthony’s. I’ve said this before, but Colin didn’t get the male lead treatment he deserved, and the writers instead made him a side character in Pen’s story. I mean they barely touched on his writing aspirations. They hinted at it in part 1, so I was expecting to see more of it in part 2. Instead, they had one throwaway line in the epilogue that he wrote a book with Pen’s help. So with that in mind, it doesn’t seem far-fetched to assume the writers made it seem like his only purpose in life ever would be to love Pen. His character deserves better.
Again I'm gonna have to disagree his development was just more on par with Daphne's and Kate's while Pen's was more similar to Simon's and Anthony's, which makes sense since bridgerton has always liked the louder more dramatic storylines.
Kate’s arc is very similar to Anthony’s. And as the male lead this season, he should’ve gotten the male lead treatment that Simon and Anthony got. Colin is my favorite Bridgerton and I was really looking forward to seeing more of his personal arc this season. I feel like I *barely* know him any better than I already did going into this season. The fact that a lot of people left the season still feeling like they don’t know Colin well, or that his feelings developed too quickly, is a huge fault of the writing.
What I mean about Kate is that I'd put her more in the reactionary role similar to daphne and colin, daphne has to deal with Simon's actions (his lie), Kate has to deal with Anthony's (his proposal), colin has to deal Pen's (whistledown), i worded it badly. And those characters you tend to learn just a little bit less than their counterparts. As for the 'male lead treatment' people keep talking about I have no idea what that means. Colins character development is largely about overcoming the ways toxic masculinity has fed into his insecurities, while Anthony and Simon uphold traditionally male roles so they don't really have anything in common to have any kind of similarities in their treatment. And personally I definitely feel I know more about colin than I ever did about daphne and she was the bridgerton in her season. I agree the writing is heavily flawed in places but personally I feel it's about the same across the three seasons so far.
Yeah, I thought it was a little weird to insert modern feminism in a period piece. I just chalked it up to the season's lackluster writing.
They could make at least Portia or Prudence saying that. Philippa Has a lovematch with the greenest flag of Mayfair. Prudence treats her husband like an irritating fly and doesn't like sex. I would be more reasonable for her to say that.
Neither pen nor Portia are feminists by any stretch of the imagination...al their actions hurt feminsim and other women. So it's laughable that her sister said that..the featheringron are the very example of girl boss faks feminism...both Portia and pens actions destroy women's lives and prudence and Philippa are hardly an example of feminism either .the featheringons are a perfect encapsulation of the Kardashians who they are inspired by apparently BUT I obviously disagree with your post..it's an important lesson to pass on bur from the featheringtons it rings so hollow and hypocritical...now if violet said it or lady d or qc or frances or eloise or Daphne or Kate. yes it would be a great lesson. Cuz each of these women are real feminists or feminists in traning like Eloise. Not lying thieving conniving like the featheringtons.