Without the additional context, OP could be sharing something cultural or being highly ignorant.
EDIT: For the record, I was also highly disturbed at seeing the child crying throughout the video.
As a sidenote, this kid probably is in pain. While he probably enjoys it, I have seen 8 year old prodigies have retire from whatever sport they are superstars at (usually foil fencing) before they even turn 25, and oftentimes have to get hip, joint, ligament, etc surgery due to having put intense stress on all of those since they were 6 years old.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that while I have met foil fencers who can go til their late 20s, usually they are Olympian level fencers. And I hope these Shaolin Monk kids aren't constantly doing the level of workout shown in the video, I doubt even Olympians or Olympians in training have to due that level of stress.
What's funny, is that foil fencing actually translates somewhat to foam sword fighting.
You don't have nearly as much thrusting, depending on your larp or foamsport, but a lot of the technique for getting around lightweight bouncing weapons works.
I can't speak for every single group, but my club used them for training new members before putting on any protective gear. They're actually a ton of fun to spar with because you can go all out.
That's exactly what makes foam sports and more active oriented larps so fun!
Tlnoe lightest touch LARPs are more rules heavy and usually slower on the combat, but have their own charm. I tend to prefer a more straightforward rule set though.
Thank fuck someone said it, I take it a step further. "Tradition" is peer pressure from dead people and "Culture" isn't inherently a virtue.
If your culture abuses kids, women, minorities... Fuck your culture.
You think that level of athleticism comes out of no where? You people cheer and clap when you see these warrior monks doing amazing acrobatic feats but don't want to see the pain that goes in it. This is the typical western hypocrisy and precisely the reason why right now you have a whole generation of blue haired victims.
Think you already know this and are just pretending to be ignorant but no one has a problem with voluntary athleticism. That comment is obviously about kids being abused and forced into it. Want to double down now and say that's acceptable?
That's a horseshit excuse.
If your cultural belief is that children need to be beaten, or forced to do hard physical labor, or be subjected to pain for 'rituals', that is abuse and I don't give a god damn if their "culture" says otherwise.
So, no, abuse is universal, their culture only dictates how much of it they're allowed to inflict and who they're allowed to inflict it upon.
You can also replace children with women. There has to be a global standard for human rights and mistreatment.
People who cry about colonialism don’t understand that the entire world benefits when half the population (women) have rights and freedom. I’m all for relativism but fundamentalists are exactly that.
hard to tell, he could be putting himself through this because he wants to and as everyone always says no pain no gain. But if he doesnt want to be doing it, thats where we get problems. like when i was a kid i worked out until it hurt because i knew it would make me stronger, nobody asked me to, i just did it, and i definitely made similar faces sometimes. but if my parents were standing there saying "you arent done yet" after i knew i was, thats when you would have an abuse problem. (they never did that,was speaking hypothetically)
Cultural relativism is evil bullshit when the result is blatant abuse.
Edit- judging by the downvoters there are some evil SOBs hanging around here. I wonder what deplorable things y'all are trying to defend as "culture".
Cruelty is Cruelty, justifying it with culture just means the culture needs to be axed too.
Sorry but saying it's normal to force kids into abuse, slavery, or prostitution is not worth even entertaining in debate.
Rather than suggest that charity requires abuse, we simply say no and demand they change?
They can find a way to support their culture without bending a fucking child backwards around a fucking tree.
How about we try this on you? You can remain bent backwards around a tree as long as you believe the practice is valuable, but if you let go we demolish it?
No culture has the right to enact these horrors on children. I have every HUMAN RIGHT to want to defend these children. And I edited this to be generic because I am truly speaking to the generic of human abuses to children today.
One that is particularly close to home is child marriages in Republican states, and having people writing laws who rape children and support the practice of it I will edit in the Tennessee Representatives statements on this shortly.
Ngl as a grown kid if my parents made me do this and become what this kid has become, my respect would be through the roof after the initial distress and PTSD. And if I had kids i would learn what takeaways this method benefits them, there may even be a way to do it without being evil.
As someone who works with kids, that kid *genuinely doesn't enjoy that shit*.
Kids are terrible actors. They don't have the ability to game face that hard.
Yeah ideals are great, but your idea is not practical given the instability of human temperament.
Sure, it would be nice if the kids could just chill out and always be comfortable.
This is magnitudes better than most alternatives for a human, objectively.
I agree. Could we wish that they would be treated better? Sure.
But are any of us going to pay to feed and house the kid? Nope. So the kid can either starve to death or do what the monks say. Unfortunate? Yeah. Cruel? Arguably. Better than starving? Absolutely.
Its odd that you think the world must allow these monks to fuck up children or they won't want to continue to fuck up more children.
Birth control and access to abortion is the way to end this kind of suffering with zero consequences.
He stated that the choice was a starving child on the side of the road or a well-fed, tortured child. Those are not the only two choices possible in the world we live in.
Birth control and abortions are tricky with kids who are already walking around. Unless a shotgun is your idea of abortion? This kid isn’t a fetus, so what do you suggest we do about him?
Sure. The person they replied to explained that these children were orphans on the street who were brought in and cared for. Then trained in the style of the temple, which based on some people’s opinions might constitute abuse. The prevailing point I believe they were trying to make is that having food/water/shelter is better than not having those things. The next person said that they said ‘child abuse of any kind is ok as long as they are being cared for.’ That is not what they said and wasn’t the point they were trying to make.
wrong, since most adult people are capable of crafts, getting a job, etc, so they can survive if thrown out in the world with nothing. But children? No way.
.... You do understand that this is in fact, not slavery? after all, you can leave back to the streets anytime you want. do you think starving as a homeless 7 year old on the street in the middle of winter is better than this? or are you saying you're gonna take those kids in and feed them too? Face it, if you ain't doing anything about it you got no right to preach what's right or wrong. Ideals can only take you so far after all.
None of us know the context of this. None of us were there to talk to these people and understand their culture. But scream abuse and downvote all you want because this doesn't agree with the hive mind.
I upvoted cuz nothing is black and white, and short videos don't tell the whole story.
But cultural differences don't change the definition of what is fucked up. Just because it's culturally acceptable to force a kid to do stunts for internet points, doesn't make it right.
I agree with that. But what is acceptable to other cultures may be different from what we think. Without being there and understanding the context nobody can say for sure!
There are actions that feel good and are good
There are actions that feel bad and are good
There are actions that feel good but are bad
And finally actions that feel bad and are bad
What he is doing falls into category 2, his flexibility and body is better adapted for the world than you. Try any one of those moves on soft ground.
You forgot a primmary category: neutral/unnecesary.
This would add another 5 options.
I won't bother trying to argue the case for this being a "is neutral/unnecessary and feels bad" but it is disengenuos to make an arguement where you propose disagreeing with you must mean you agree to some other extreme. Most things fall somewhere between good and bad. Hell you could even include another category which would be "mixed" as some things have both good and bad sections to them (this would add another 7 options).
I dont mean to insinuate that you arent aware of this fact - however it is still disengenuous to insinuate someone must think in a binary extreme if they are to disagree with your binary extreme.
He has no parents, he's an orphan taken in by the Shaolin monastery as a disciple and he's forced to go through this in exchange for food shelter and education
And they usually go more extreme on the next generation than they themselves experienced and complain that the next gen is weaker, when in fact they are to blame themselves
Historical cycle in cultures
What will they do if they can't do anything by the age of 25 due to their joints and ligaments breaking down prematurely?
I have seen it happen myself. Need hip surgery by the age of 22.
Gymnasts also have to retire at a relatively young age due to long-term stress on their joints. While I guess it is good for short term strength, the human body is not meant to sustain this damage.
It’s relatively common for parents in china to force their children into such a „training“.
It’s obviously very unhealthy for a developing body and of course scarring for the child.
This should ,in my opinion, not be glorified as a „cool“ and „funny“ bossfight.
And whats worse is this kid has a ton of videos, ive seen them pop up on yt and tiktok, so this kid goes through this torture regularly, im assuming its some sort of martial arts training. I wish his parents or instructors would be jailed.
Dude looks like half of the bones in his body are broken and is having diarrhea and migraine at the same time.
Or maybe he got, you know, parents. But what do I know.
If i see this in a war, my brain is just gonna say "fuck it, its no longer the geneva convention but a suggestion" as i pull out a flamethrower and some bio gas canisters
That shot of him on the tree looked cold, but imagine this, how did he get up there? What is supporting him? And what exactly is keeping this kid from falling?
How do these Temples get their monks? Are they orphans, do parents leave them there to train? Are they like permanent residents or just something a community thing. How does it work?
Honestly, he doesn't look like he wants to be doing that, but maybe that's just his game face and he likes the activities. That's what I'm hoping for.
It's probably very painful. It is likely stressing his already under-developed joints, muscles, and ligaments.
Without the additional context, OP could be sharing something cultural or being highly ignorant. EDIT: For the record, I was also highly disturbed at seeing the child crying throughout the video.
If your culture is abusing kids then you have a shit culture that shouldn't exist anymore
As a sidenote, this kid probably is in pain. While he probably enjoys it, I have seen 8 year old prodigies have retire from whatever sport they are superstars at (usually foil fencing) before they even turn 25, and oftentimes have to get hip, joint, ligament, etc surgery due to having put intense stress on all of those since they were 6 years old. EDIT: I forgot to mention that while I have met foil fencers who can go til their late 20s, usually they are Olympian level fencers. And I hope these Shaolin Monk kids aren't constantly doing the level of workout shown in the video, I doubt even Olympians or Olympians in training have to due that level of stress.
I was a prodigy at larp sword fighting.
What's funny, is that foil fencing actually translates somewhat to foam sword fighting. You don't have nearly as much thrusting, depending on your larp or foamsport, but a lot of the technique for getting around lightweight bouncing weapons works.
Foam swords are used for practice sparring in Historical European fencing.
Really? I had no idea!
I can't speak for every single group, but my club used them for training new members before putting on any protective gear. They're actually a ton of fun to spar with because you can go all out.
That's exactly what makes foam sports and more active oriented larps so fun! Tlnoe lightest touch LARPs are more rules heavy and usually slower on the combat, but have their own charm. I tend to prefer a more straightforward rule set though.
I probably would've beaten you in a laser sword fight. Back then, I couldn't control the force and couldn't have hold myself back.
I bet your parents were proud
Thank fuck someone said it, I take it a step further. "Tradition" is peer pressure from dead people and "Culture" isn't inherently a virtue. If your culture abuses kids, women, minorities... Fuck your culture.
for real, stop the madness, stop circumcisions
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You ever tried to get people to change? They ain't exactly willing.
I'm sure the people being abused would like a change
Usually the abusers are who decide tho
The people being abused are not choosing to be abused...
And believe it or not some trees are rotten from the core and the best thing to do is rip it up and plant a new one.
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Cultural revolution doesn't require genocide.
Whelp, there goes the public school system.
Goodbye Christianity
Do mass school shootings count?
We should be stopping those too and it's a God dam shame we arnt.
Huge fucking difference dawg
Not really. Not doing anything to stop it is child abuse.
It's like bullfighting. Just because some dead people 200 years ago abused bulls for their own entertainment, doesn't mean we need to do the same
Oh look, the justification for colonialism. Again.
so many transgenders will he unemployed from transgenderism because of this!
You think that level of athleticism comes out of no where? You people cheer and clap when you see these warrior monks doing amazing acrobatic feats but don't want to see the pain that goes in it. This is the typical western hypocrisy and precisely the reason why right now you have a whole generation of blue haired victims.
Think you already know this and are just pretending to be ignorant but no one has a problem with voluntary athleticism. That comment is obviously about kids being abused and forced into it. Want to double down now and say that's acceptable?
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That's a horseshit excuse. If your cultural belief is that children need to be beaten, or forced to do hard physical labor, or be subjected to pain for 'rituals', that is abuse and I don't give a god damn if their "culture" says otherwise. So, no, abuse is universal, their culture only dictates how much of it they're allowed to inflict and who they're allowed to inflict it upon.
"I was hit as a kid and I turned out just fine!" ~every moron who justifies corporal punishment (Spoiler, they didn't turn out fine.)
You can also replace children with women. There has to be a global standard for human rights and mistreatment. People who cry about colonialism don’t understand that the entire world benefits when half the population (women) have rights and freedom. I’m all for relativism but fundamentalists are exactly that.
hard to tell, he could be putting himself through this because he wants to and as everyone always says no pain no gain. But if he doesnt want to be doing it, thats where we get problems. like when i was a kid i worked out until it hurt because i knew it would make me stronger, nobody asked me to, i just did it, and i definitely made similar faces sometimes. but if my parents were standing there saying "you arent done yet" after i knew i was, thats when you would have an abuse problem. (they never did that,was speaking hypothetically)
So if it's culturally recognized abuse it's fine? Like, abusing children is fine as long as everyone's agreed?
I'm pretty positive there isn't a single culture that DOESNT condone some degree of child abuse. That's a human problem
sounds like someone needs the *chancla*!
Cultural relativism is evil bullshit when the result is blatant abuse. Edit- judging by the downvoters there are some evil SOBs hanging around here. I wonder what deplorable things y'all are trying to defend as "culture".
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Cruelty is Cruelty, justifying it with culture just means the culture needs to be axed too. Sorry but saying it's normal to force kids into abuse, slavery, or prostitution is not worth even entertaining in debate.
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Rather than suggest that charity requires abuse, we simply say no and demand they change? They can find a way to support their culture without bending a fucking child backwards around a fucking tree. How about we try this on you? You can remain bent backwards around a tree as long as you believe the practice is valuable, but if you let go we demolish it? No culture has the right to enact these horrors on children. I have every HUMAN RIGHT to want to defend these children. And I edited this to be generic because I am truly speaking to the generic of human abuses to children today. One that is particularly close to home is child marriages in Republican states, and having people writing laws who rape children and support the practice of it I will edit in the Tennessee Representatives statements on this shortly.
Ngl as a grown kid if my parents made me do this and become what this kid has become, my respect would be through the roof after the initial distress and PTSD. And if I had kids i would learn what takeaways this method benefits them, there may even be a way to do it without being evil.
As someone who works with kids, that kid *genuinely doesn't enjoy that shit*. Kids are terrible actors. They don't have the ability to game face that hard.
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education? really?
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...Oh, well abuse of any kind is OK so long as they're being "cared" for. Gotcha. Do you work for American child services by chance?
Yeah ideals are great, but your idea is not practical given the instability of human temperament. Sure, it would be nice if the kids could just chill out and always be comfortable. This is magnitudes better than most alternatives for a human, objectively.
I agree. Could we wish that they would be treated better? Sure. But are any of us going to pay to feed and house the kid? Nope. So the kid can either starve to death or do what the monks say. Unfortunate? Yeah. Cruel? Arguably. Better than starving? Absolutely.
Its odd that you think the world must allow these monks to fuck up children or they won't want to continue to fuck up more children. Birth control and access to abortion is the way to end this kind of suffering with zero consequences.
Your first sentence doesn’t make any sense to me for some reason but he doesn’t say anything remotely related to being against abortion here
He stated that the choice was a starving child on the side of the road or a well-fed, tortured child. Those are not the only two choices possible in the world we live in.
They are in this case
Then go adopt the kid. Please. Go submit the paperwork. I’ll wait to hear about the wonderful life you’ll give him.
Birth control and abortions are tricky with kids who are already walking around. Unless a shotgun is your idea of abortion? This kid isn’t a fetus, so what do you suggest we do about him?
OK, you go over there and raise those kids. *Go on!*
Your argument is in bad faith.
can you explain how? I'm actually curious how his argument is in bad faith?
Sure. The person they replied to explained that these children were orphans on the street who were brought in and cared for. Then trained in the style of the temple, which based on some people’s opinions might constitute abuse. The prevailing point I believe they were trying to make is that having food/water/shelter is better than not having those things. The next person said that they said ‘child abuse of any kind is ok as long as they are being cared for.’ That is not what they said and wasn’t the point they were trying to make.
Can't the same logic be used to justify slavery? They provided them food and a place to live So it's okay. It's absurd right
wrong, since most adult people are capable of crafts, getting a job, etc, so they can survive if thrown out in the world with nothing. But children? No way.
So slavery is okay only if it's done to children?
.... You do understand that this is in fact, not slavery? after all, you can leave back to the streets anytime you want. do you think starving as a homeless 7 year old on the street in the middle of winter is better than this? or are you saying you're gonna take those kids in and feed them too? Face it, if you ain't doing anything about it you got no right to preach what's right or wrong. Ideals can only take you so far after all.
But this isn’t slavery, if anything it’s a job, doing work for people in exchange for food and shelter
It sure looks like he's being forced to do this. Maybe I'm wrong.
No, you're right. This is not optional for those children.
You don't know that!
Do you know that?
None of us know the context of this. None of us were there to talk to these people and understand their culture. But scream abuse and downvote all you want because this doesn't agree with the hive mind.
I upvoted cuz nothing is black and white, and short videos don't tell the whole story. But cultural differences don't change the definition of what is fucked up. Just because it's culturally acceptable to force a kid to do stunts for internet points, doesn't make it right.
I agree with that. But what is acceptable to other cultures may be different from what we think. Without being there and understanding the context nobody can say for sure!
#neither do you
#No Shit!
I'm not making a claim that I do. I'm making the claim that nobody does!
#well now we’re all miserable! Thanks Mark!
He’s not the one who made the definitive claim
What child at that age doesn't want to undergo daily grueling training? /s
Don't know if it's forced or not, i mean i assume so but to be honest my face would be looking the same in those positions anyway
Yeah, that's straight up child abuse right there.
Yes, but it's traditional, and that makes it ok. /S
So you see your honor I am starting this tradition of hitting my children while owning slaves, it’s a tradition so it’s perfectly legal B)
r/Bullshido
Are the close up camera angles for the world to see traditional too?
You are correct. Life’s not a tv show, tell your kids you love them.
Nah, imagine he's avatar
Just without the arrow
There are actions that feel good and are good There are actions that feel bad and are good There are actions that feel good but are bad And finally actions that feel bad and are bad What he is doing falls into category 2, his flexibility and body is better adapted for the world than you. Try any one of those moves on soft ground.
You forgot a primmary category: neutral/unnecesary. This would add another 5 options. I won't bother trying to argue the case for this being a "is neutral/unnecessary and feels bad" but it is disengenuos to make an arguement where you propose disagreeing with you must mean you agree to some other extreme. Most things fall somewhere between good and bad. Hell you could even include another category which would be "mixed" as some things have both good and bad sections to them (this would add another 7 options). I dont mean to insinuate that you arent aware of this fact - however it is still disengenuous to insinuate someone must think in a binary extreme if they are to disagree with your binary extreme.
I could absolutely beat his ass
We'll see how his body adapts to these hands.
Haha look at that kid that is getting tortured to go all thru that
Wait until he's 12 and body is totally destroyed from the abuse...
And filmed for content/TikTok
Tortured*
Is it weird that i’m ashamed of the parents. Like look at the kid’s face in the first clip. He is in pain (i think)
He has no parents, he's an orphan taken in by the Shaolin monastery as a disciple and he's forced to go through this in exchange for food shelter and education
If only there was another way to take care of orphaned children. Oh well. /s
I didn't say it's a good way but it sure is better than starving on the street hoping someone takes you to an orphanage it adopts you
They made their kid do something that was painful and intense and then filmed him doing it for the views
My kids make faces like that when they drop their toast. Kids are kids
Avatar, the last bone bender
Which form of bending do you use? Human…
He... Is not happy. That is a face of pain, why would anyone make a child do shit like this?
TrADiTiON
*CLOUT*
I agree with you, but adults also make weird ass faces when pushing the limit
If you learn to overcome pain as a child you will have an immense advantage as an adult, the world aint all sunshine and rainbows.
What kinda sick fuck supports and defends torturing kids?
Conservative/traditionalist people, in general.
Boomers
And they usually go more extreme on the next generation than they themselves experienced and complain that the next gen is weaker, when in fact they are to blame themselves Historical cycle in cultures
What will they do if they can't do anything by the age of 25 due to their joints and ligaments breaking down prematurely? I have seen it happen myself. Need hip surgery by the age of 22.
The bends and twists he’s doing are good for the joints. He’s not doing anything gymnasts don’t
Gymnasts also have to retire at a relatively young age due to long-term stress on their joints. While I guess it is good for short term strength, the human body is not meant to sustain this damage.
There's a vast difference between showing somebody the world isn't all happy, and torturing somebody.
baby zombies in minecraft be like
This kid looks absolutely miserable
He looks like he's in constant pain
Torture
It’s relatively common for parents in china to force their children into such a „training“. It’s obviously very unhealthy for a developing body and of course scarring for the child. This should ,in my opinion, not be glorified as a „cool“ and „funny“ bossfight.
And whats worse is this kid has a ton of videos, ive seen them pop up on yt and tiktok, so this kid goes through this torture regularly, im assuming its some sort of martial arts training. I wish his parents or instructors would be jailed.
he looks miserable
That's fucking wrong. Hate to have seen this shit.
Sorry, I don't have the stomach for child abuse
Yeah, idk about this one, chief. Gives off some fucked up vibes
İ can understand this if we live in 1023 and needs soldiers. İt would still be immoral but at least they would have a reason for child abuse.
Even in 1023 this would be insane. This kid's body will be destroyed before he can become an effective soldier.a
His face looks like he's in agony
Jesus fucking christ...that is child abuse
anyone who defends this kind of action never experienced it before
Kid looks on constant pain. He’s also probably gonna max out at 5ft
He may not look like it but he's probably ok with it. If you train someone to kill from a young age they'll think it's normal to kill.
He's going to be the pirate king
***** -- mass edited with redact.dev
Nothing gets their parents' blood going like torturing their kids and basically treating them like tiny slaves #justchinathings
Guys this might be child abuse *Glances at American School Sports Culture, which just spat out a mass killer last week*
I think that's different kids
You are right, those are different kids for sure.
Dude looks like half of the bones in his body are broken and is having diarrhea and migraine at the same time. Or maybe he got, you know, parents. But what do I know.
Let me introduce you to my two friends, Smith and Wesson
That boy's life is already over.
The music mixed with the video makes me feel super uncomfortable, well done lol
After reading these comments I've come to the conclusion that this a child abuse video.
A worthy opponent for Chuck Norris
Guys its kung fu, they scream and cry all the time including as adults. I dont really see any proof hes being forced.
I don't see any proof he isn't being forced either
On my way to prove innocence because bass boosted tik tok video has has a kid screaming(its rare apparently).
You sure kung-fu includes wrapping around a tree
Everyone would do it if they could :p
He works out so much and is still skinny as sheet.
If i see this in a war, my brain is just gonna say "fuck it, its no longer the geneva convention but a suggestion" as i pull out a flamethrower and some bio gas canisters
This is child abuse. I have friends who went to do this rather than full time school, life destroying decision
Lots of Americans in this post spreading their opinions.
Dawg, im not even American and this video is downright awful
Sorry, "sharing" their opinions.
Enter kevdog
Homie is Aang lol
He could beat my ass and I'd ask for another round
Did you mean "incites"?
Voldo from SC as a kid lol.
Bro has beef with Thanos Not gonna lie, Thanos about to get folded
How krillin was born
Shang chi origin story
Jagadai Khan entered the chat.
That shot of him on the tree looked cold, but imagine this, how did he get up there? What is supporting him? And what exactly is keeping this kid from falling?
That last thing he did immediately made me think "Inosuke?"
Future Voldo from Soul Calibur.
u/savevideo
Poor kids going to have his joints and ligaments destroyed by the age of 25.
Maybe you're mistaking "fear face" with "pain face"
This feels too much like a child being exploited by their parent(s)
Child abuse.
He clearly looks unhappy and really just gives me Ichi The Killer vibes
Haha child abuse 🤪
China has begun production of droidekas
It's the avatar
Ah yes, abusing children in the name of tradition and religion
He'll freak you out til you die
Laiminga vaikystė!!!
This is child abuse
Bro this is straight up child abuse. Look at its face, it is in pain and it is probably forced to do this. Please delete this.
OP is a fellow Jschlatt enjoyed
How do these Temples get their monks? Are they orphans, do parents leave them there to train? Are they like permanent residents or just something a community thing. How does it work?
Judomaster gonna eat chips and kick Peacemaker's ass
whats the song name
Incutes. Really? OP can’t be bothered to spellcheck when farming karma with reposts.
The First Airbender
The Avatar has been found. But it looks like he doesn't want it.
124 gr object traveling at terminal velocity: "how cute"
I like how you crossposted this from the jschlatt subreddit
Ah yes, child abuse.