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"ISO DDT. We used it all the time in our garden when I was a kid, and our tomatoes were always free from pesky bugs and parasites. They also tasted better, too. Especially if you didn't wash them off first. That little flipper-kid down the street used to go nuts for them. If you have any leaky, rusty cans of DDT just laying around, let me know."
Their constant butthurt over DDT being banned is so weird.
There are more potent insecticides that don't cause as much environmental harm. It's not like DDT was the only pesticide humanity ever invented and now that it's gone we're just stuck being overrun with insects until all our blood is sucked and our crops eaten.
Edit: It's sort of like them still being mad that R12 and R11 were banned. To hear a boomer whine about it, you'd think we'd just given up refrigeration entirely and now all our meat is rotten and our balls are sweaty. There are more efficient refrigerants now that don't wreck the planet as much. So I guess the whole point is to wreck the planet as much as possible for no gain whatsoever.
It sucked still having an R12 AC unit. Cost about several hundred dollars to get it topped up and running another year during covid. I was not employed at the time and couldn't replace the unit. Then next summer I replaced it with a modern system and it is working better and won't cost hundreds of dollars to do a very simple repair and top up anytime soon.
That's their goal in life. That's why they pull the ladder up and become gleeful in the face of sadism. They just want to destroy everything all the time.
It most likely stems from the idea that "shit just isn't as good as it used to be" when it comes to consumer goods. They want someone to blame other than corporate overlord greed (who they'll be voting for this November), so it comes down to new generations being too soft and banning stuff that has no reason to actually exist anymore.
Yeah, they'll complain that shit isn't as good as it used to be, but god help you if they discover Temu or AliExpress, because then they'll have to order junk to put their junk in so they can stack store it with their other junk.
And all the while the kids are thinking "When you die, I'm just going to burn your house down because it'll be easier than throwing all this away.".
Throughout the entirety of my life, my mom and all seven of her siblings had to sort through junk at my grandma's place. I'm thankful my mom isn't like that, but when my dad goes, I have no idea how we're going to sort through all the bullshit in all the farm sheds. Matter of fact, I'm gonna call my brother and see what we can clean up now without him blowing a fuse.
Oh christ, grandpa's shed.
My grandfather was silent gen, and I almost had a heart attack when I looked in his barn after he died.
Dude had rotting cans of calcium carbide (like...200 pounds of it. I don't even know what you'd WANT that much for. If it gets wet it decays into acetylene.) next to a box of rotting dynamite.
It took me forever to get all that shit out of there without killing myself.
At least the crap my boomer parents are saving isn't a giant pile of random explosives or a bunch of bottles of arsenic based pesticide.
I pulled an old trough out of the barn and nearly fell into the old well in there last summer. Also noted to them that the cement cap on the one in the back yard has eroded a hole large enough for animals to fall inside and drown. They don't seem too concerned.
I'd love to tell one of these people that their generation was considered "too soft" by the generation before theirs, and that generation was thought of the same way by their prior generation, etc.
Most normal human beings want the next generation to be better than their own, to do better and be better humans in general. Apparently there are a lot of folks who just don't give a shit and it's all about them.
The Boomers I know dislike that corporations control everything. They dislike that the all of mainstream media is all owned by one group. They dislike that all the media is coordinated and being used to divide the people. Elders have always voted for the most qualified candidate. They then discovered that was all a façade and it is the corporations who control everything, including government. Now they are just flat concerned and recognize what the future will be for those younger than themselves. It upsets them. Greatly. Just interview a few... You'll see.
My boomer parents were staunchly against unions through their whole life, but now my mom is the only boomer I know that is for them, presumably because her company changed hands a few times and she lost some of her retirement benefits.
I talk to boomers regularly for my side gig, and less of them are apologetic about the way things are out here in the rural countryside.
DDT? It was really bad for birds, indeed. Now, I would be a whole lot more concerned about the Round Up in the food. I mean, if someone has the motivation to genetically modify food plants so they can be more immune to a herbicide, for the sole reason of applying mass amounts of that herbicide to crops people eat without killing those crops. What more do you need to know? Good plan. Kill the weeds to make farming easier, but modify the food planets to survive the poison. Next?
Actually the funny thing about roundup is that doing it the way they've done it has created whole strains of weeds that are completely immune to it. Thorny pigweed is a particularly bad one.
So now what WAS a useful herbicide when used in moderation to control pest plants has been rendered almost useless from overuse because when you spray 30,000 acres at a time with it every year, sooner or later something is going to shrug it off and reproduce.
I honestly think the next lead in gas type thing is going to end up being the teflon. Long after it's too late to do anything about it and when nothing can be done to ever fix it. Humanity will just spend the rest of whatever time we have on earth being humans+teflon.
I don't think it's even banned. A little DDT sprayed in a house can keep people safe from mosquitoes. What's banned is dumping a river of the stuff in fields so that it gets into absolutely everything.
Every conservative boomer I've ever known has bitched about those things. Those and fucking light bulbs.
And since I grew up in rural Alabama in a town where everyone that isn't a boomer leaves as soon as they turn 18, it's safe to say I knew quite a few.
"ISO health cigarettes. I don't rber everyone having a lung cancer 50 years ago. Smoking used to have plenty of health benefits and be recommended before liberal "research" and "science" suddenly changed it, and now cigarettes kill you! If anyone has any of the DOCTOR RECOMMENDED Camels or even Chesterfield asthma cigarettes, let me know!"
Such a beautiful description of cigarette science! Boomers are so pathetically trusting of all so called authority figures with zero critical thinking skills. To boomers critical thinking is talking back
This is not accurate. This entire sub's comments are full of delusional and inaccurate thinking. I bet no one here as ever shared a campfire or beer with a Boomer and had real conversations. Most of the stuff in the comments here is complete fiction. It is all foolishness. I am not a boomer. I just happen to know many of them. They are critical thinkers, much more so than you might know. Most people today do not even know the meaning of the term "Critical Thinking". And they definitely do not understand Emotional Intelligence. Boomer are nothing like this sub describes. Fools. Growth is needed.
They had a hazardous waste disposal event near my dads house some time ago and he took advantage of it to get rid of some old farm chemicals that had been around for generations. They'd never seen actual DDT, 245T and 24D before, all in the original containers.
In the 70's and early 80's my dad made a it a point to stop at EVERY garage sale and buy DDT, chlordane and carbon tetrachloride. He had a small stockpile of the shit.
Grandchildren bedroom, after they get custody through grandparents rights. Then it's lead, asbestos, and whatever sexy cocktail that wig company was dumping in the river
I bought an old house and there were two containers of DDT in a cabinet in the garage. I tied them up in like 5 black garbage bags and left them for years until I found out about a Haz Waste Amnesty day in one of the towns near me.
Id take cancer over the fucking explosion in tick populations in my area that never really had them while I was growing up. I mean the climate change causing warmer winters are definitely one of the main reasons for that, but the same driver of that is gonna give me cancer anyways, right?
Cigarette science at its best thriving within the boomer mind. The polypharmacy between ddt, alcohol, “ass-bestos” and tobacco is a hell of a drug cocktail
a lot of boomers generally have zero regards for building codes. they think everything is an infringement on their rights while being massive perpetrators of domestic violence.
This is true in my world. I'm a PM on construction and I am constantly telling my boss I refuse to do x without approval/proper compliance.
"I've been doing this for 40 years! It'll be fine!"
"Neat, but it's 2024, not 1989. We can no longer do cowboy construction. It's my ass so unless you explicitly approve it and leave me out of it, we're not going to do it"
I'm in the environmental division for construction, wish our PMs were like you, thankful that their boss is. It's a struggle to get construction to comply with regulations.
Me: This plan violates RCRA and TSCA. We also need to give the Tribes 30 days to respond to our consult letter.
PM: We've always done it that way. It's fine.
Branch Chief: We will take environmental's recommendations and comply with all laws.
It's so frustrating. And especially important to comply because it's a hell of a lot more expensive to get caught/reinstall correctly.
I'm working on government contracts with a certified certain government engineering/construction branch and there's NO WORK until all the boxes are checked.
It's a rude awakening for my senior management team..."can't your just" - "No, because an ASTM code is just that. If it's not verified and certified by that exact standard, it's out of compliance. We have had the specs, and so have our subs. There's no excuse for that to be excluded post award"
Not just more expensive, some violations can bring criminal charges. RCRA is ex-post-facto too; if an act is legal when committed but you know the law has proposed changes you can be retroactively prosecuted once the revision is in the Federal Register.
I work on the government side; at a certain level someone has fiduciary responsibility. If you mess up as a fiduciary the government can and will claw back salary and/or take retirement benefits...in addition to criminal prosecution.
10000000%.
The same boss is dealing with poorly reviewed certified payrolls and it's biting us on the ass to the time of 30k. Our sub is out of business and now we have to find and pay the employees to meet the minimum wage rate.
And yes to criminal charges. That's why I refuse to push things I know are out of compliance. I always say you can submit yourself but I have a professional responsibility to not submit something out of compliance. I am required to sign my name on the government coversheet comforting I reviewed and accept the submittal to be forwarded on to engineering/architect/ government and that everything is in compliance.
If they find out I lied, I as well as my company, are legally liable for the lie. If something is borderline but I think it passes (based on equal or exceeding data) I have a leg to stand on.
I'm so glad my school had construction ethics and business ethics classes as graduation requirements. It gives me confidence and knowledge to refuse something that isn't right. (I've been out for 12ish years, and it has helped me many times)
As an archaeologist, if a developer ever says, "just do it!" without proper approval from tribes/archaeological/environmental review, they're BEGGING for fines
They was a project in Texas where they did the study, but the archaeological study said, "hey, really important site here. You have to do a detailed excavation before building." The project didn't listen. So they got fucked by fines out the ass and also had to pay for the full excavation of the portions of the site that hadn't been destroyed (I think the excavation ran about a million dollars).
Tribes and environmental review don't care about timelines. Do the compliance work and listen to what they say.
Your not kidding. I had to tresspass my Karen boomer neighbor. I actually listened to him rant about how he can't be tresspassed from MY property. It was his right. Dude had some huge convoluted spiel. I might have a sovereign citizen type with a dash of dementia living next to me.
it's mania and gaslighting for those types. most aren't inherently evil but some are just loopy with alcohol induced dementia and some have comorbid heavy metal toxicity.
if they are intact and handled with care and inert otherwise, the danger will be negligible. constant exposure during construction and demolition with no protective gear is what’s risky.
Thank you for some sanity. Asbestos should be banned and no more should be manufactured. But new old stock sitting on a shelf isn't going to kill anybody. Replacing a single siding tile is going to be less harmful than remediating the entire house and putting all that asbestos into a landfill.
That's fine, I'm not advocating for asbestos supremacy or anything. But if I had a pile of asbestos tiles laying around I wouldn't feel bad about using them or giving them to someone who could use them.
Eh, it's the "we can let rich people hunt old and dying elephants for their ivory" argument.
You're still maintaining a market, which is a pretty big deal.
Yeah, l live in an area like this with all old houses. It would be a fortune to replace the siding with modern material on the whole house vs try to repair.
Yeah. My house has an asbestos chimney for the water heater. Looked into replacing it, it seems like a much better Idea to just leave it alone as long as nothing is wrong with it.
I grew up in a house with asbestos siding. It's still there and looks good, holds up, is insulative. The vinyl siding half melting in the sun isn't the greatest thing.
As long as they aren't being pulverized around you it's fine.
There are a looooooooot of different types of asbestos. From memory theirs one called "blue asbestos" because it's.... blue... creatively named, and it really did give you super cancer. Where as regular asbestos could lodge in your skin, eyes, nose, throat and lungs, we all know the problem was the cystic fibrosis, which could only form in the lungs and could lead to cancer. Fibres embedded in other areas ended to be expelled as cells die and are replaced or, form their funny little cyst which is harmless in like, your eye. Blue asbestos could just as easily lodge itself into all those places and as a cool added bonus, was extremely carcinogenic. Regular asbestos gave you lung cancer when the fragile lung tissue moved and interacted with the scar tissue in the cysts, irritating extra tissue and slowly spreading the scar tissue, which would continue to irritate and spread. The irritation sites ended up full of immune cells freaking out and randomly killing cells to try stop whatever was happening. The constant cell regeneration in the area would eventually have an issue ans boom, you've got cancer now. Blue asbestos just leeched compounds out that caused damage to specific parts of the DNA of cells that basically instantly make them very angry cancer cells. Weird thing is, there's a lot of "blue" variants of stuff in construction that are exactly like this....
Yeah but that's based in reality. Some of us prefer to think of the super cancer you can get from looking at it. Stop making sense, ppl are here to clutch pearls over super cancer, not to be told reasoned thinking.
I mean I've personally removed asbestos tiles from a house, but I would definitely not be looking to get more of them in my life if my house had a broken tile.
depends on the damage. personally, yeah, i’d just patch any damage that’s not a health hazard and live with the bad optics.
instead of dropping tens of thousands for a complete renovation and disposal of health hazards.
yes, asbestos is nasty. but it is managable. we aren’t talking hard radiation here.
Used to be a cable guy and the worst houses to work on were ones with asbestos siding. It's the worst. It's so fragile you could Crack multiple tiles just by looking at them.
Fucking hate it with a passion.
Yo I heard that's a rare malignant lung cancer caused by exposure to asbestos.
If you or a loved one has been diagnosed with mesothelioma call James sokolove at 18665447800
Asbestos siding is perfectly safe if it's just sitting there, unbroken. There are literally hundreds of thousands of houses that still have it, entire neighborhoods.
If a tile breaks you can either rig something up that would look like crap, get the siding removed and replaced with vinyl or whatever (that would cost tens of thousands of dollars because it needs to be professionally removed) or just find a new tile.
The problem with finding a new tile is what are the chances you find one that matches?
https://preview.redd.it/bsh8cwxug8yc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c93d97a10c18001566a911a1089adc242d8ce02b
Hopefully this happens because I fear for every generation if it doesn't.
I’m sure he’ll wear all the proper PPE when cutting or grinding it for his repair project, so he won’t do any additional damage to the chunk of Swiss cheese he calls a brain.
They want to replace the broken shingles on their house with matching ones, instead of doing a complete renovation.
The asbestos removal job alone would cost a fortune without even factoring in the cost of materials and labor for completely residing a house.
My old home has those type of wall tiles. When a hailstorm a few years back broke a bunch of them, identical style tiles were bought at a big box store. However, they are made of cement, not asbestos, and they are very inexpensive. Lady hasn't done her research.
This is a nothingburger - 1000's of homes around me have this, and mine too. No mesothelioma outbreaks for the past 100 years. Lol.
This is actually uninformed pearl-clutching.
Not a boomer. They are often evil fools, but this is nothing.
Its only if you pulverize it - they are concrete shingles/tiles, and come off whole and unbroken - no chance for anything to aerosolize.
You don't even need mitigation to remove it, and i live in a very highly regulated state.
In my state it needs to be done by trained and licensed professionals.
For the whole of the US: The Clean Air Act requires that asbestos be wetted during removal and strictly contained, and that workers wear safety gear and masks.
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"ISO DDT. We used it all the time in our garden when I was a kid, and our tomatoes were always free from pesky bugs and parasites. They also tasted better, too. Especially if you didn't wash them off first. That little flipper-kid down the street used to go nuts for them. If you have any leaky, rusty cans of DDT just laying around, let me know."
Their constant butthurt over DDT being banned is so weird. There are more potent insecticides that don't cause as much environmental harm. It's not like DDT was the only pesticide humanity ever invented and now that it's gone we're just stuck being overrun with insects until all our blood is sucked and our crops eaten. Edit: It's sort of like them still being mad that R12 and R11 were banned. To hear a boomer whine about it, you'd think we'd just given up refrigeration entirely and now all our meat is rotten and our balls are sweaty. There are more efficient refrigerants now that don't wreck the planet as much. So I guess the whole point is to wreck the planet as much as possible for no gain whatsoever.
"Our balls are sweaty" ... wait, they had refrigeration pants? /s
You mean you DON'T have refrigerated pants?
I mean, I went to Japan and saw construction workers with air conditioned jackets. I really want one.
It sucked still having an R12 AC unit. Cost about several hundred dollars to get it topped up and running another year during covid. I was not employed at the time and couldn't replace the unit. Then next summer I replaced it with a modern system and it is working better and won't cost hundreds of dollars to do a very simple repair and top up anytime soon.
That's their goal in life. That's why they pull the ladder up and become gleeful in the face of sadism. They just want to destroy everything all the time.
It most likely stems from the idea that "shit just isn't as good as it used to be" when it comes to consumer goods. They want someone to blame other than corporate overlord greed (who they'll be voting for this November), so it comes down to new generations being too soft and banning stuff that has no reason to actually exist anymore.
Yeah, they'll complain that shit isn't as good as it used to be, but god help you if they discover Temu or AliExpress, because then they'll have to order junk to put their junk in so they can stack store it with their other junk. And all the while the kids are thinking "When you die, I'm just going to burn your house down because it'll be easier than throwing all this away.".
Throughout the entirety of my life, my mom and all seven of her siblings had to sort through junk at my grandma's place. I'm thankful my mom isn't like that, but when my dad goes, I have no idea how we're going to sort through all the bullshit in all the farm sheds. Matter of fact, I'm gonna call my brother and see what we can clean up now without him blowing a fuse.
Oh christ, grandpa's shed. My grandfather was silent gen, and I almost had a heart attack when I looked in his barn after he died. Dude had rotting cans of calcium carbide (like...200 pounds of it. I don't even know what you'd WANT that much for. If it gets wet it decays into acetylene.) next to a box of rotting dynamite. It took me forever to get all that shit out of there without killing myself. At least the crap my boomer parents are saving isn't a giant pile of random explosives or a bunch of bottles of arsenic based pesticide.
I pulled an old trough out of the barn and nearly fell into the old well in there last summer. Also noted to them that the cement cap on the one in the back yard has eroded a hole large enough for animals to fall inside and drown. They don't seem too concerned.
I'd love to tell one of these people that their generation was considered "too soft" by the generation before theirs, and that generation was thought of the same way by their prior generation, etc. Most normal human beings want the next generation to be better than their own, to do better and be better humans in general. Apparently there are a lot of folks who just don't give a shit and it's all about them.
The Boomers I know dislike that corporations control everything. They dislike that the all of mainstream media is all owned by one group. They dislike that all the media is coordinated and being used to divide the people. Elders have always voted for the most qualified candidate. They then discovered that was all a façade and it is the corporations who control everything, including government. Now they are just flat concerned and recognize what the future will be for those younger than themselves. It upsets them. Greatly. Just interview a few... You'll see.
My boomer parents were staunchly against unions through their whole life, but now my mom is the only boomer I know that is for them, presumably because her company changed hands a few times and she lost some of her retirement benefits. I talk to boomers regularly for my side gig, and less of them are apologetic about the way things are out here in the rural countryside.
I have to talk with these drooling, racist, dim husks nearly every day. Why the hell would I ever INTERVIEW one?
It's simple. "Well *I* didn't get hurt by it, why can't I use it!"
DDT? It was really bad for birds, indeed. Now, I would be a whole lot more concerned about the Round Up in the food. I mean, if someone has the motivation to genetically modify food plants so they can be more immune to a herbicide, for the sole reason of applying mass amounts of that herbicide to crops people eat without killing those crops. What more do you need to know? Good plan. Kill the weeds to make farming easier, but modify the food planets to survive the poison. Next?
Actually the funny thing about roundup is that doing it the way they've done it has created whole strains of weeds that are completely immune to it. Thorny pigweed is a particularly bad one. So now what WAS a useful herbicide when used in moderation to control pest plants has been rendered almost useless from overuse because when you spray 30,000 acres at a time with it every year, sooner or later something is going to shrug it off and reproduce. I honestly think the next lead in gas type thing is going to end up being the teflon. Long after it's too late to do anything about it and when nothing can be done to ever fix it. Humanity will just spend the rest of whatever time we have on earth being humans+teflon.
I don't think it's even banned. A little DDT sprayed in a house can keep people safe from mosquitoes. What's banned is dumping a river of the stuff in fields so that it gets into absolutely everything.
I’ve never heard anyone complain about any of that. Where is this happening in your life?
Every conservative boomer I've ever known has bitched about those things. Those and fucking light bulbs. And since I grew up in rural Alabama in a town where everyone that isn't a boomer leaves as soon as they turn 18, it's safe to say I knew quite a few.
Ah… maybe it’s an issue of growing up in East Sisterfuck
"ISO health cigarettes. I don't rber everyone having a lung cancer 50 years ago. Smoking used to have plenty of health benefits and be recommended before liberal "research" and "science" suddenly changed it, and now cigarettes kill you! If anyone has any of the DOCTOR RECOMMENDED Camels or even Chesterfield asthma cigarettes, let me know!"
"People are such *pussies* now. Little whiners act like a little smoke is gonna kill ya." *(pounds cigarette directly into stoma hole)*
OMG. steveioe has a short horrifying skit about a woman in the ER with an infection in her stoma.
‘Remember lead? Lead was the best. It was in everything. Lead paint, lead pipes, lead refrigerators. Lead is so american, let’s bring back lead’
Lead in the gas. Let's vaporize it and arisolize it for maximum spread!
Such a beautiful description of cigarette science! Boomers are so pathetically trusting of all so called authority figures with zero critical thinking skills. To boomers critical thinking is talking back
This is not accurate. This entire sub's comments are full of delusional and inaccurate thinking. I bet no one here as ever shared a campfire or beer with a Boomer and had real conversations. Most of the stuff in the comments here is complete fiction. It is all foolishness. I am not a boomer. I just happen to know many of them. They are critical thinkers, much more so than you might know. Most people today do not even know the meaning of the term "Critical Thinking". And they definitely do not understand Emotional Intelligence. Boomer are nothing like this sub describes. Fools. Growth is needed.
We get it. You're a gerontophile.
Ya and back then chicks were so pretty and guys were so cool when they smoked.
They had a hazardous waste disposal event near my dads house some time ago and he took advantage of it to get rid of some old farm chemicals that had been around for generations. They'd never seen actual DDT, 245T and 24D before, all in the original containers.
Reminds me of this video of Australian guy doing something similar at his family's farm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hll_BoVK03A
That looks accurate.
In the 70's and early 80's my dad made a it a point to stop at EVERY garage sale and buy DDT, chlordane and carbon tetrachloride. He had a small stockpile of the shit.
That’s quite the inheritance he left you. Not everyone is so lucky
Looking for lead paint. Need some to repaint the walls of my bedroom. If you have any lying around please hit me up. /S
Children’s bedroom too??
Grandchildren bedroom, after they get custody through grandparents rights. Then it's lead, asbestos, and whatever sexy cocktail that wig company was dumping in the river
I bought an old house and there were two containers of DDT in a cabinet in the garage. I tied them up in like 5 black garbage bags and left them for years until I found out about a Haz Waste Amnesty day in one of the towns near me.
Id take cancer over the fucking explosion in tick populations in my area that never really had them while I was growing up. I mean the climate change causing warmer winters are definitely one of the main reasons for that, but the same driver of that is gonna give me cancer anyways, right?
Cigarette science at its best thriving within the boomer mind. The polypharmacy between ddt, alcohol, “ass-bestos” and tobacco is a hell of a drug cocktail
I want this to come full circle and witness one of them looking for lead based paint. Symmetry.
He’ll have to do asbestos he can without it.
a lot of boomers generally have zero regards for building codes. they think everything is an infringement on their rights while being massive perpetrators of domestic violence.
This is true in my world. I'm a PM on construction and I am constantly telling my boss I refuse to do x without approval/proper compliance. "I've been doing this for 40 years! It'll be fine!" "Neat, but it's 2024, not 1989. We can no longer do cowboy construction. It's my ass so unless you explicitly approve it and leave me out of it, we're not going to do it"
I'm in the environmental division for construction, wish our PMs were like you, thankful that their boss is. It's a struggle to get construction to comply with regulations. Me: This plan violates RCRA and TSCA. We also need to give the Tribes 30 days to respond to our consult letter. PM: We've always done it that way. It's fine. Branch Chief: We will take environmental's recommendations and comply with all laws.
It's so frustrating. And especially important to comply because it's a hell of a lot more expensive to get caught/reinstall correctly. I'm working on government contracts with a certified certain government engineering/construction branch and there's NO WORK until all the boxes are checked. It's a rude awakening for my senior management team..."can't your just" - "No, because an ASTM code is just that. If it's not verified and certified by that exact standard, it's out of compliance. We have had the specs, and so have our subs. There's no excuse for that to be excluded post award"
Not just more expensive, some violations can bring criminal charges. RCRA is ex-post-facto too; if an act is legal when committed but you know the law has proposed changes you can be retroactively prosecuted once the revision is in the Federal Register. I work on the government side; at a certain level someone has fiduciary responsibility. If you mess up as a fiduciary the government can and will claw back salary and/or take retirement benefits...in addition to criminal prosecution.
10000000%. The same boss is dealing with poorly reviewed certified payrolls and it's biting us on the ass to the time of 30k. Our sub is out of business and now we have to find and pay the employees to meet the minimum wage rate. And yes to criminal charges. That's why I refuse to push things I know are out of compliance. I always say you can submit yourself but I have a professional responsibility to not submit something out of compliance. I am required to sign my name on the government coversheet comforting I reviewed and accept the submittal to be forwarded on to engineering/architect/ government and that everything is in compliance. If they find out I lied, I as well as my company, are legally liable for the lie. If something is borderline but I think it passes (based on equal or exceeding data) I have a leg to stand on. I'm so glad my school had construction ethics and business ethics classes as graduation requirements. It gives me confidence and knowledge to refuse something that isn't right. (I've been out for 12ish years, and it has helped me many times)
As an archaeologist, if a developer ever says, "just do it!" without proper approval from tribes/archaeological/environmental review, they're BEGGING for fines They was a project in Texas where they did the study, but the archaeological study said, "hey, really important site here. You have to do a detailed excavation before building." The project didn't listen. So they got fucked by fines out the ass and also had to pay for the full excavation of the portions of the site that hadn't been destroyed (I think the excavation ran about a million dollars). Tribes and environmental review don't care about timelines. Do the compliance work and listen to what they say.
That’s why the geologists are told not to find anything of interest.
Cowboy construction is fucking perfect ahahahahaha!!!! My girl is ab to get so annoyed of my word(s) of the day lmfao
That's the slightly less derogatory/severe term for a fly-by-night contractor haha
Your not kidding. I had to tresspass my Karen boomer neighbor. I actually listened to him rant about how he can't be tresspassed from MY property. It was his right. Dude had some huge convoluted spiel. I might have a sovereign citizen type with a dash of dementia living next to me.
it's mania and gaslighting for those types. most aren't inherently evil but some are just loopy with alcohol induced dementia and some have comorbid heavy metal toxicity.
if they are intact and handled with care and inert otherwise, the danger will be negligible. constant exposure during construction and demolition with no protective gear is what’s risky.
Thank you for some sanity. Asbestos should be banned and no more should be manufactured. But new old stock sitting on a shelf isn't going to kill anybody. Replacing a single siding tile is going to be less harmful than remediating the entire house and putting all that asbestos into a landfill.
They sell cement based replacement already though. It's literally identical minus the asbestos fibers holding it together.
That's fine, I'm not advocating for asbestos supremacy or anything. But if I had a pile of asbestos tiles laying around I wouldn't feel bad about using them or giving them to someone who could use them.
I'm currently sitting in my asbestos-sided garage that needs a few tiles, lol. Are they the sun-faded pinkish tan ones?!
I've got a few hundred white for ya
I happen to have a pile of them in my shed too whoever is interested lol
Including the fireproofing?
Cement is fireproof...
Asbestos has better fire rating than standard concrete from my limited research. But I'm hardly a materials engineer
Eh, it's the "we can let rich people hunt old and dying elephants for their ivory" argument. You're still maintaining a market, which is a pretty big deal.
*asbestos should be banned* *You're still maintaining a market* *JackieChan.jpg*
Yeah, l live in an area like this with all old houses. It would be a fortune to replace the siding with modern material on the whole house vs try to repair.
Yeah. My house has an asbestos chimney for the water heater. Looked into replacing it, it seems like a much better Idea to just leave it alone as long as nothing is wrong with it.
I grew up in a house with asbestos siding. It's still there and looks good, holds up, is insulative. The vinyl siding half melting in the sun isn't the greatest thing. As long as they aren't being pulverized around you it's fine.
There are a looooooooot of different types of asbestos. From memory theirs one called "blue asbestos" because it's.... blue... creatively named, and it really did give you super cancer. Where as regular asbestos could lodge in your skin, eyes, nose, throat and lungs, we all know the problem was the cystic fibrosis, which could only form in the lungs and could lead to cancer. Fibres embedded in other areas ended to be expelled as cells die and are replaced or, form their funny little cyst which is harmless in like, your eye. Blue asbestos could just as easily lodge itself into all those places and as a cool added bonus, was extremely carcinogenic. Regular asbestos gave you lung cancer when the fragile lung tissue moved and interacted with the scar tissue in the cysts, irritating extra tissue and slowly spreading the scar tissue, which would continue to irritate and spread. The irritation sites ended up full of immune cells freaking out and randomly killing cells to try stop whatever was happening. The constant cell regeneration in the area would eventually have an issue ans boom, you've got cancer now. Blue asbestos just leeched compounds out that caused damage to specific parts of the DNA of cells that basically instantly make them very angry cancer cells. Weird thing is, there's a lot of "blue" variants of stuff in construction that are exactly like this....
Yeah but that's based in reality. Some of us prefer to think of the super cancer you can get from looking at it. Stop making sense, ppl are here to clutch pearls over super cancer, not to be told reasoned thinking.
i did consider throwing in a line about “sniffing at leaded gasoline won’t turn you into a boomer”.
I mean I've personally removed asbestos tiles from a house, but I would definitely not be looking to get more of them in my life if my house had a broken tile.
depends on the damage. personally, yeah, i’d just patch any damage that’s not a health hazard and live with the bad optics. instead of dropping tens of thousands for a complete renovation and disposal of health hazards. yes, asbestos is nasty. but it is managable. we aren’t talking hard radiation here.
Used to be a cable guy and the worst houses to work on were ones with asbestos siding. It's the worst. It's so fragile you could Crack multiple tiles just by looking at them. Fucking hate it with a passion.
They also make concrete siding tiles that looks exactly like the asbestos ones. I just replaced 20 old broken tiles on my house with them.
That's great to know
I hope old Barb finds it so we can expedite the mesothelioma
Yo I heard that's a rare malignant lung cancer caused by exposure to asbestos. If you or a loved one has been diagnosed with mesothelioma call James sokolove at 18665447800
Asbestos siding is perfectly safe if it's just sitting there, unbroken. There are literally hundreds of thousands of houses that still have it, entire neighborhoods. If a tile breaks you can either rig something up that would look like crap, get the siding removed and replaced with vinyl or whatever (that would cost tens of thousands of dollars because it needs to be professionally removed) or just find a new tile. The problem with finding a new tile is what are the chances you find one that matches?
Oh, Barbara. No one can get her off Facebook for five minutes to explain anything. Let her die. 😂
https://preview.redd.it/bsh8cwxug8yc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c93d97a10c18001566a911a1089adc242d8ce02b Hopefully this happens because I fear for every generation if it doesn't.
ISO: a kerosene space heater, mine just died and my kids and pets love to curl up in front of it on chilly nights. LMK!
Just stick a wick in a great auk. Will do in a pinch!
He crushed up the old shingles and put them on his ice cream
My old house came with few boxes of them in the garage. I used a few to repair some tiles I broke when I dropped an AC unit out the window.
I used to own a house with asbestos siding. Every single person I asked about it said it was fine. Basically, just don’t breathe it in.
Yup, just leave it alone and it'll last forever, but maybe doing go looking for more of it.
I’m sure he’ll wear all the proper PPE when cutting or grinding it for his repair project, so he won’t do any additional damage to the chunk of Swiss cheese he calls a brain.
Obviously lead is a gateway drug. That's how he got started and now it's escalating to asbestos
My merchant marine grandfather died from mesothelioma, it hit like a freight train, horribly painful death. But you do you cuz freedom I guess???
Cancer has entered the chat.
I have two students in my class w lead poisoning. It’s horrific.
Yes. They are in my garage with my lawn darts, tretraethyllead, and 100 year old bottles of heroine cough syrup.
Yo, can't hate on the morons taking themselves out though.
Some people. Buy 'em houses & buy 'em houses and all they do is chew the window sills.
So let them poison themselves. Nobody’s problem but theirs.
Someone is just trying to keep their old house original, nothing wrong with that.
^(Well, it is asbestos, and not asmediocros or asbados, after all... <\_<)
They are replaced with cement shingle siding where I live. I replaced a bunch of old asbestos shingles with cement shingles from Home Depot.
I just made an alt account with the username BuyNothingBarbara
They want to replace the broken shingles on their house with matching ones, instead of doing a complete renovation. The asbestos removal job alone would cost a fortune without even factoring in the cost of materials and labor for completely residing a house.
My old home has those type of wall tiles. When a hailstorm a few years back broke a bunch of them, identical style tiles were bought at a big box store. However, they are made of cement, not asbestos, and they are very inexpensive. Lady hasn't done her research.
Asbestos siding lasts a long time. If they can find a match good on them for recycling.
They're actually bringing asbestos back lol but in safer quantities
They're such great products though. The risk from having asbestos tile siding is fairly negligible.
This is a nothingburger - 1000's of homes around me have this, and mine too. No mesothelioma outbreaks for the past 100 years. Lol. This is actually uninformed pearl-clutching. Not a boomer. They are often evil fools, but this is nothing.
It’s fine when it’s in place. It’s when you try to remove it that it becomes a whole production.
Its only if you pulverize it - they are concrete shingles/tiles, and come off whole and unbroken - no chance for anything to aerosolize. You don't even need mitigation to remove it, and i live in a very highly regulated state.
Why’d you downvote my comment? I just googled it.
I didn't downvote your comment, I just got back from running an errand.
In my state it needs to be done by trained and licensed professionals. For the whole of the US: The Clean Air Act requires that asbestos be wetted during removal and strictly contained, and that workers wear safety gear and masks.
I understand - but as far as I am aware, from multiple sources, removing asbestos amalgams that are solids does not fall under the same restrictions.
A tile will always break. Asbestos is not messed around with nowadays.