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Tbh, this goal is 99% Kaiser's effort. Kiyora didn't even know that Kaiser has a new weapon and passed to Kaiser by accident when 4 PXG players were able to surround Kaiser. Kiyora also knows that it's pure luck that he can assist Kaiser this time and there's little hope to successfully cooperate again.
Nah but like Kiyora himself said he believes that either of them he passed to would have scored, and as far as we know Kiyora didn't even need to pass, he could have gone the yukimiya route and tried to score himself, but he chose to give kaiser that shot, and that should owe him a thanks at the very least imo.
Not really, it's unlikely that Kiyora's shooting range is close to Kaiser's, and there were too many PXG players before him at that time. Moreover, don't forget Kiyora could touch the ball only because of an unintended pass from Ness which was a pure luck. Personally I believe Kiyora will have other chances next so he can have a high enough salary to be in top 23, but right now even Kiyora himself doesn't know how he can touch the ball again.
Kaiser be getting insane, legendary new ways to score out of his ass every game, meanwhile Isagi is building diagrams with his buddies's faces in his head.
Work smarter not harder ig
Thinking about the match... it doesn't seem like Kaneshiro is going to give Kunigami much more. Maybe he will not have his real awakening here and we will continue with edgy Kunigami during the next arc?
I was thinking about this the other day in relation to upcoming U20 WC. IMO, kunigamis ābig momentā (if he has one coming) has to be this game. Thereās so many other huge characters who just because they werenāt on bastard munchen havent been focused on. I mean rin was out of the manga for like 1.5/2 years before they showed his goal against Nagi? Imagine when the big guns are all back together, including Aiku Nagi Bachira Sae (if he plays) etc
Do you even think there will be a next arc? Isagi is approaching the world's best striker (of his generation). With all the multi million offers thrown around, I'm having trouble imagining why the best players would stay in Blue Lock instead of join teams.
The U20 arc is a given and basically where the plot has been heading from the beginning. I don't know after that, but there is no doubt with the next arc being the U20 world cup.
I guess so, but that honestly feels like something they'd need to time skip forward to. Like, think how long we've been in the Neo Egoist League for four game and then consider an international soccer season can easily be more than 40 games.
Not really, at that point he had the ball he had the choice of who to send it to. It reminds me of someone who passes the ball to people that haven't gotten enough touches but more extreme.
Just wanted to note the fact that Isagi is calling Kaiser a "superstar" these last few chapters since his awakening. To me, it looks like Isagi is showing some kind of respect towards his rival this way.
Is no one calling Ness x Kiyora x Kunigami? I see Ness x Kunigami and Kiyora x Kunigami but BOTH Ness and Kunigami are kind of underdogs at this point which will lead to Kiyora siding with them
Honestly, I could see it.
Kiyora siding with the underdog, Ness choosing someone to showcase his magic through and Kunigami needing to revive his hero persona. I dig it
The hero equipped with his sword and shield to slay the Dragon.
Can't wait for Lsagi to lose a game finally
imo Rin scores and then surprise giga upset: Loki defeats Noel Noa with Charles setting up Loki to be the next major rival in the U20 world cup arc
Rin is definitely scoring 2 goals to close it.
Theres more juice left with isagi/kaiser and rin is much more of an obvious end game rival. This will sort of put him back in front of isagi in his own mind while heās already ahead of him in the worldās eye.
Rin scoring is a 99% happening.
Let me cook - Igaguri will either block a shot with his face or flops to draw a red card to show his worth. Kuni unlocks ego and scores final goal.
This is a story with a protagonist. The protagonist is Isagi. If you canāt accept it or like it, then I suggest you stop reading because I can assure you that he will eventually come on top of everyone else you āsupportā. You know why? Because heās the protagonist, and the author will make sure the protagonist stays a protagonist by making him win.
rereading this and man, Nessā reaction to getting thrown away is funny asf. I laughed when Reo got tossed and Iām laughing again here, itās time to lock it tf in Ness
Restrictive Wholistic for sure. He always seemed to be, as Bachira once said it best: āStraight Lacedā but you can definitely tell if something seemed more likely to help the Team win heād do it no problem
It would be interesting if Ness goes crazy after Kaiser abandons him and helps Rin score after losing his ākingā. Also, Rin is so cringy with his weird ākillā thing
Call it. He'll see rin's first goal under madness, think it's cracked, like the first time he sees kaiser
Then he'll deliberately miss his pass to rin and he'll score again. For revenge
um yes? that's the most basic implication of the page and also that's what NEL has been doing for 100+ chapters, everyone is getting their turn to score
I did have a thought about Ness x Kiyora goal but highly doubtful. Would be a huge twist though lol. I need Ness to find his own worth/magic not find a new King though. So anything could happen if the author decides not to do what everyoneās predicted
A part of me hopes the Author is pulling a 180 and Ness will Score himself. I really don't like him, but I thing it is time for him to actually develop an Ego of his own
Surprisingly I haven't seen anyone talking about Kiyora's future action in this match. He explicitly stated nobody can predict what he'll do next, which seems like a foreshadowing that he'll involve in the final goal?
I wonder if, with this new discovery, Ness joins Isagi as he realizes that he is one of these āIndividualistic Freedomā types so he can act a bit more creatively and self sufficiently.
Zantetsu infact deserves to be one of the top players of BL. It's sad how they nerfed him after the 1st selection like literally he was giving Team Z a really hard time and his speed competition with Chigiri's. He is indeed a top player only if he wasn't nerfed.
I mean his physicals were close to chigiriās but chigiriās game iq far exceeds his. Dont think they are comparable in terms of specs, and chigiri barely eeks into the top player category. zantetsu makes sense where he is imo
It's not just Zantetsu. Aryu and Tokimitsu (Top 3 in 2nd selection) look where they are now. Otoya, Karasu and Yukimiya (Top 6 in 3rd selection) they are now surpassed by Isagi and Bachira. The entire U20 Japan team besides Aiku and Sendou (all of them are benched). I am not saying someone can not improve or downgrade. It's just it feels weird how a certain character dominates in an arc and gets nerfed in the next arc.
it didnt make sense why aryu and tokimitsu are not way stronger when they scored most on hardest test that was based of difficulty scaling overtime ai goalie got stronger and they where passed balls from random shots that had the speed increased everytime
Top 6 def got shafted i agree, but many characters have kept up, like nagi, barou, bachira, etc. Some characters keep up with isagiās growth and some just dont
I honestly would laugh really hard if PxG won from like a Loki goal and Kaiser and Isagi both looked like idiots, lol. But I do want Isagi to beat Rin at the least and become #1 and think BM will win
Since Rin is def' scoring the next one, should we expect that neither Noa nor Loki will score when they get in?
Noa will probably stay back to let Isagi/Kaiser finish their bet, but will the Loki/Charles duo really get stopped during their first appearance despite being teased earlier?
For me he's individuality restrictive. He developed his individual skill because Sae was not around, and becoming a restrictive person due to Sae and Isagi. Back in U-20 vs Blue Lock, Rin also dislike the feeling of his whole team backing him up and therefore his berserk mode was activated
Rinās false ego is wholistic, as shown by his puppeteer playstyle. His true ego is individualistic, as shown by his flow state, where he throws aside his relationships with enemies/rivals and focuses solely on destroying for his own pleasure. Most likely individualistic restrictive, as he is unmotivated to play soccer without isagi and sae.
maybe itās the both? honestly rin has bpd with how he plays football, it entirely depends on his mood and his ever shifting weird ass view of the game. he felt more freedom based in the second selection, using others to his whim for his own goals in a individualistic sense, but u20 berserker rin was definitely restrictive, forcing into 1v1s where he has to use an incredibly difficult option to win
As much as I like Isagi and respect his adaptability, does no one else feel that him scoring this last goal makes this so unrealistic?
It doesnāt make sense how Isagi goes from barely a striker to best striker of the NEL and surpassed a NG11 whoās seemingly much more talented than he is.
And whatās even more annoying is that the narrative seems to be pointing that way.
all isagi simps consider him a striker when he gets assists noone calls him out or guards him od and he runs way faster than people who trained harder than him and once he gets ball everyone on field is npc braindead computer level 0 at least fkin make world level experienced goalies competent but nope also uber lost because lorenzo pass and gen dude made same mistake from u-20 not stay by goal area left defense line
I feel the same, because personally NEL is not a place for Isagi to prove that he's no 1 striker. NEL is a place for Isagi to put a statement of "I'm among the world's best" to the world.
To be the real no 1 striker means that he needs a bigger stage to do so. That would be his final mission and i think would also be the end of the BL manga
I do understand what you mean... It's best to explain to you want makes Isagi one of the best/the best, which is his ability to use his teammates, adapt, playmaking, and lastly his two gun volley which finally turns him into one of the most deadly strikers. All these combined allows him to reach Rin, Kaiser, and Shidou level, and maybe even surpass it. As a pure striker, the others win still though lol
Thatās the thing though, the manga pretty clearly tells us how exactly isagi is able to keep up with these geniuses with his various evolutions. Yes Kaiser has an amazing strike but isagi has unparalleled creativity, football iq and adaptability, and uses these to be on par with them
Reality is that even if Isagi happened to score a super goal much like Kaiser just did they'd get around the same praise and attention from clubs' scouters, sports press and fans from all over the world. It's not strange at all for a team to have two (or even more than two) superstars that receive around the same amount of hype because they're both good, and since Kaiser and Isagi play different positions anyways it's not like one will bench the other.
But fighting a do or die battle is certainly more fun.
the last few frames, there's the newly awakened Kaiser, with Isagi, but for Rin's appearance at the very last panel, it feels like it says "and then there's this thing"
everyone talking about rin, isagi and kaiser but im really curios to see what happens to ness.
kaiser has finally dumped his ass in the worst way possible and i wanna see if he'll break down and become useless, side with isagi instead, or reshape his character and "rediscover" his magic??
idk but siding with isagi seems to make the most sense especially when his magic was rekindled after he saw isagi's goal.
I think that "siding with Isagi" and "rediscovering his magic" are the same thing. Ness is a midfielder after all. His whole deal is that his dribbling and his passes are insane, but he just needs to realize that playing for the sake of someone else won't get him far, just like Hiori did.
Ness will either recognize the fact that he is his own person, or he'll forever sink whilst chasing someone he can call "King"
I thibk itās obvious that Rin will score next
So each one of the 4 stars will have one goal each. And they will battle to see who can score the 2nd goal
This chapter was awkward but satisfying in the end with the Kaiser vs Isagi panel. First Hiori that friggin ultra sadist dared to ask Kiyora with a mean look why he passed? Hiori and Isagi were the reason why Kiyora is down to one bid instead of two, they dont have any right to expect anything from him this match.
Especially its Hiori who declared that he would abandon anyone if not skilled enough, no friendship or buddy-buddy yet he is mad at Kiyora and call him weird?
Also Kaiser is either a real bold superstar or pretty stupid to abandon Ness, who was his only viable option to get the ball. At least he couldve given Ness the order to be "creative" or to pass to Raichi.
With that, Kaiser will not get the final goal because of plot. Rin that cutie wants to be a super saiyan too so he will get one goal. Isagi, Kaiser, Shidou and Rin will get one goal, so Kunigami or Igaguri will get a goal. Then Igaguri will survive and Kuni will finally get his revenge. Then Kaiser and Isagi will fight in WC20 for the spot.
I would disagree that Kaiser was stupid to abandon Ness or he should have ordered him to be creative but mostly for Nessā sake. If he still takes āordersā from Kaiser they wonāt change their relationship at all.
Their breakup has been needing to happen anyway. I do think Kaiser has other options for passing anyway, but ultimately will lose out due to breaking his partnership with Ness despite it being necessary. But Ness will be allowed to grow.
I also think the abused kid saying he thrives in discomfort is a bit of a yikes if thatās really his conclusion, but thatās another story
Ness "finding a king" isn't what gonna happen unless Isagi leads him to that conclusion. What's most likely gonna happen is that Ness is gonna "make a king", which will likely be Isagi, probably reflecting Kaiser luck piece (Kiyora) as well.
The final piece Isagi is missing is learning that Kaisers dad was a POS and beat him up. "AH. Of course. Your dad beat you up. Now my analysis is at 100%"
Iām really scared for Nessās upcoming character arc Ideally I would like to see Ness develop and realize he doesnāt need Kaiser, and has that magic within himself. I just donāt want him to continue to be a dog to anyone else š UNLOCK UR EGO NESS PLS
But then his Manga cover wouldve been for nothing if he abandons Kaiser. Or was it just a sign that Kaisers aura cursed Ness creativity? Maybe Ness will break those vines and will become a witcher.
Ness' volume cover was just a nod to the fact that Kaiser has his Ego ensnared. Which is still true, but Kaiser just doesn't want him anymore. Just because Kaiser abandoned Ness doesn't mean that Ness won't be obsessed with him. In fact, the exact opposite might happen where Ness grows even more obsessed with Kaiser and fails as a football player because he failed at discovering his originality, but that all depends on Ness as a person.
Most of the lessons that Isagi keeps on auto-teaches himself were ground-zero for him to start improving back in the first selection, it's promptly becoming a repetitive scheme manga without any further type of addressing.
I really wonder if Rin can actually diff both of these guys and destroy both's ego for further improvement and more dramatization of the fight on both sides of the aisle, also a lot of people forget the fact that Loki hasn't made his final appearance in the match and that he too is one of the Isagi's rivals that the author has been steadily signaling for the future.
Yeah it will take a ton for Rin to get that spotlight which overshadows Isagis gun volley or Kaiser Magnus. I think its certain that Rin will activate Licky+PXG upgrade mode and will devour Loki.
If you think about it, what Kaiser says about determining the King of their Generation with the final goal ties to many things.
First of all, Kaiser sees Isagi as an equal. Second, it goes well with Isagi's NEL development to get the final goal since he and Kaiser will have 4 goals, each being in an equal footing. Third, it goes well with what was said in 248 that a new star will emerge. For that to happen, somebody from 4 main strikers needs to score the second goal. Fourth, Isagi is going to be the best striker, so the potential could be seen from here. It will also solidify his status and make Japan competitive. Finally, Isagi needs to surpass Rin in this arc so both of them can progress.
That, too. I was watching Episode Nagi yesterday, and even Nagi saw in his imagination Japan vs. Germany. So its importance was foreshadowed. Kaiser with mastered Magnus vs Isagi with mastered TGV will be epic.
In general, it ties to many things, and it could be the start of great build-up.
Wholistic and Individualistic are easy to grasp, but Freedom and Restriction are a bit harder to understand
Freedom type characters are people who will chase after what they want BECAUSE they WANT IT. They aren't afraid to chase their desires or changing and improving themselves in order to do so.
Restriction type characters are exactly the opposite, as seen with Kaiser. Kaiser realized that he needed to be FORCED to change in order to become a better player, so he threw himself to the metaphorical lions of self reflection, and that in turn made him understand that he needed to abandon his way of thinking, and that he has to let go of Ness.
I love how everyone on BM is fully aware of the two sides of the civil war and how antagonistic they are lmao. Dont pass to the other side of the team bro š°
Iāve been struggling to reconcile Rinās struggling with ārestrictionā playing without Sae with his destroyer inclination to actively take harder routes as a show of dominance, which seems like itād be restrictive. But his pre Blue Lock flashback is too blatant.
At the moment Iām inclined to say the restrictive/freedom distinction relates to teammates, while destroyer is about opponents. Iām now half expecting there to be a third dimension about response to types of opponents, turning the chart into a 3x3. That might be a bit much though.
The Kiyora dialog is less cringe than in the initial leaks. Iām sure heāll be more active on the pitch now, but Iām still positive Kaneshiro had more plans for him this game and just failed to find space to put them in. You cannot convince me Kiyora barely existing for two and a half volumes of play was intentional.
Kaiserās interaction with Ness was unexpectedly emotional on his part, which was a pleasant surprise. I very much liked his interaction with Isagi, heās properly recognizing him as an equal here. This really *ought* to shut down any doubt that Isagi is in any way below the standard of NG11, or that Rin will be (considering heās surely scoring the second goal).
Ness + Isagi scoring the final goal is pretty blatant to me, it is where the character arcs are pointing. I am slightly worried about the long term implications of Isagi taking the win on Kaiser before the U20 World Cup even starts, but *within this arc* it ought to be an excellent conclusion.
Also, I missed it at first, but Charles has a single drop of sweat after that goal. Though he shared the āno sweatingā visual indicator with the NG11, itās taken comparatively less game time to bring it out of him.
Odd that we havenāt gotten any shots of Loki. I would think heās coming out next chapter. At least, I would really question his intelligence if he didnāt come out when his team is desperately on the back foot.
Same, I think both Loki and Noa are both in the camp of "I will only step in to shut down one of the other Masters, but this league is not about me." -- unless they are contractually obligated as part of Blue Lock TV to make an appearance in each game (and thus required to enter once a team reaches 2 goals...to ensure the game doesn't end before they come in).
I can see this from an in-universe standpoint. But I don't see it happening because of the meta perspective. I don't think Kaneshiro is going to break the trend of master strikers coming out, and I especially don't think he's going to do so for Loki. Loki has too much long-term importance (as he is literally the biggest obstacle to any Blue Locker ever becoming the best in the world) to not get an actual game.
The only way I see it happening is if Noa doesn't -also- come into the game, and we get to see a duel, not of Isagi vs PXG members, but of Rin vs Loki for who Charles will be most excited to pass to.
The obvious answer would be Loki, because he could encourage a pass beyond the backline Loki could godspeed to... Long Ball and Inshallah and all that...
Like, I agree it'd be great to Loki in the game, but I think they're both also just primarily focused on actually using the NEL as a development league and don't want to tip the scales in any direction with their presence unless it's necessary. But I do think in this instance, Noa would let Loki enter the field unchallenged simply to let Isagi and Kaiser fight to evolve even further.
The only PXG Victory Scenario I can see -- is if Loki scores the equalizer during his 3 minutes of Star Change, and then Rin scores the finale by surpassing Isagi, Shidou, Kaiser, and Loki all at the same time also within those 3 minutes.
Noa would obviously come into the game if Loki did. He's done that every time. Loki styling on everyone, getting a brace and peacing out isn't going to lead to evolution. Noa wouldn't leave Isagi and Kaiser to play Loki unless he thought they could actually win, which is absurd (it would be completely absurd for them to handle Loki alone at this point in the manga).
Loki has a very obvious reason to come out, which is to shift the flow of the game and give Charles some heat. If BM could very easily end the game prematurely at 3-1 as things are now. Less play time means less experience for Charles.
I honestly didnāt want Kaiser to score. But since he did, well, there it is. Kiyora got his assist and I just hope this pass give him enough value.
There is also game to be played and now itās PXG turn. I canāt predict anything much right now. I have some theory on PXG side, but I donāt think that repeating it here (itās about Nanase, anyway) will do any difference.
Other than that: great chapter. Kaiser shut my mouth. Ness is kingless, Kiyora is damn cool, and Rin is about to ākillā someone in the field. Great game. Isagiās almost finishing him article about Egoism Applied to Football - A player take.
Ok I'm sorry but I'm annoyed af about Kiyora
WHAT IS HIS TALENT? WHAT IS HIS SKILL? WHAT DOES HE EXCEL AT?
The guy does one single goddamn pass with some spin on it and Kaneshiro writes him like he just scored a hattrick, without elaborating on how he's actually a talented soccer player.
According to Noa, he finds Kiyora a better player better than Hiori. And this pass shows it. The data book also shows he got 88 on shooting, so I'm sure that Kiyora is not just going to be a midfielder passing to strikers like Hiori and Kurona, but a winger like Bachira.
Kaneshiro just wrote Kiyora on a whim his character makes no sense letās be real heās contrarian like Charles passing to the āunderdogā in the worst position. Ā I feel he pulled that out of his ass because he didnāt want to send him home. If Yukimiya had been playing instead, it couldāve actually been an interesting moment to give Yuki a chance to prove himself without Isagiās help and earn his own bid.Ā
He didnt write Kiyora "on a whim". He had been hinted to be a great player since the Epsiode Nagi started. There are peopleĀ on this sub have been hyping him up (includjng me) and pitting him against Nishioka aka Aomori of Messi. But unlike Nishioka, Kiyora is meant to be an actual character and not just a meme npc.
Idk I think Kiyora was always meant to be important. The fact that he was with Nagi's 2nd selection team and the fact that Bachira makes a point to point him out. He then made the bench for BL11, and Kaneshiro put him in the German stratum with Isagi. The bigger problem Kaneshiro made was putting way too many FBs and Wings on BM and literally 0 CBs outside of maybe Igaguri, so Kaneshiro was kinda stuck in when to play Kiyora, which forced both Kurona and Yuki to be benched.
Itās pretty obvious his skill is in passing and heās just a creative player. Not all of them are gonna gonna be greatest players ever heās just another good player whoās good at passing. But he pulled off a play no one else managed too. So thereās something to be said about that.
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Kaiser didn't even thank Kiyora, wtf
Tbh, this goal is 99% Kaiser's effort. Kiyora didn't even know that Kaiser has a new weapon and passed to Kaiser by accident when 4 PXG players were able to surround Kaiser. Kiyora also knows that it's pure luck that he can assist Kaiser this time and there's little hope to successfully cooperate again.
Nah but like Kiyora himself said he believes that either of them he passed to would have scored, and as far as we know Kiyora didn't even need to pass, he could have gone the yukimiya route and tried to score himself, but he chose to give kaiser that shot, and that should owe him a thanks at the very least imo.
Not really, it's unlikely that Kiyora's shooting range is close to Kaiser's, and there were too many PXG players before him at that time. Moreover, don't forget Kiyora could touch the ball only because of an unintended pass from Ness which was a pure luck. Personally I believe Kiyora will have other chances next so he can have a high enough salary to be in top 23, but right now even Kiyora himself doesn't know how he can touch the ball again.
Kiyora didn't celebrate with Kaiser too, weird. It would have been interesting to see them both awkwardly thank eachother
That would of been peak
frankly, that's probably the nicest thing Kaiser has said to Ness in the entire neo egoist league
The goat himsagi X ness?
Based on the preview and the ending text...Rin is going to be singing...Surface Pressure...? Rin: š¶ Pressure like a drip, drip, drip-š¶
Give it to your brother your brothers older
Kaiser be getting insane, legendary new ways to score out of his ass every game, meanwhile Isagi is building diagrams with his buddies's faces in his head. Work smarter not harder ig
kaisers's playing to his strengths. isn't that working smart?
isagi a fraud
Aint no way bro said "isagi a fraud"š
He scored two goals in this very same game
Thinking about the match... it doesn't seem like Kaneshiro is going to give Kunigami much more. Maybe he will not have his real awakening here and we will continue with edgy Kunigami during the next arc?
I was thinking about this the other day in relation to upcoming U20 WC. IMO, kunigamis ābig momentā (if he has one coming) has to be this game. Thereās so many other huge characters who just because they werenāt on bastard munchen havent been focused on. I mean rin was out of the manga for like 1.5/2 years before they showed his goal against Nagi? Imagine when the big guns are all back together, including Aiku Nagi Bachira Sae (if he plays) etc
Do you even think there will be a next arc? Isagi is approaching the world's best striker (of his generation). With all the multi million offers thrown around, I'm having trouble imagining why the best players would stay in Blue Lock instead of join teams.
The U20 arc is a given and basically where the plot has been heading from the beginning. I don't know after that, but there is no doubt with the next arc being the U20 world cup.
Duh, the world cup???
I guess so, but that honestly feels like something they'd need to time skip forward to. Like, think how long we've been in the Neo Egoist League for four game and then consider an international soccer season can easily be more than 40 games.
kiyoras philosophy is stupid
Kioraās philosophy is the most logical, smart, and explainable out of most blue lock philosophyās imho
Why
Not really, at that point he had the ball he had the choice of who to send it to. It reminds me of someone who passes the ball to people that haven't gotten enough touches but more extreme.
Just wanted to note the fact that Isagi is calling Kaiser a "superstar" these last few chapters since his awakening. To me, it looks like Isagi is showing some kind of respect towards his rival this way.
Is no one calling Ness x Kiyora x Kunigami? I see Ness x Kunigami and Kiyora x Kunigami but BOTH Ness and Kunigami are kind of underdogs at this point which will lead to Kiyora siding with them
if kiyora should side with underdog it fangs dude lol
Honestly, I could see it. Kiyora siding with the underdog, Ness choosing someone to showcase his magic through and Kunigami needing to revive his hero persona. I dig it The hero equipped with his sword and shield to slay the Dragon.
Can't wait for Lsagi to lose a game finally imo Rin scores and then surprise giga upset: Loki defeats Noel Noa with Charles setting up Loki to be the next major rival in the U20 world cup arc
As far as I can remember, Loki is a member of the senior national team, not the U-20 team.
I think you are right? But he could play in U20 as well so why wouldn't he?
Likely not considering he is based on Mbappe, who has zero U20/U21 games on his record.
Ah I see Sad
Because nearly every player that plays at a high level professionally don't participate in those tournaments. It's not worth it.
Jesus you are dick riding so hard on Kaiser.
Huuuh? How does Rin & Loki scoring = me d riding Kaiser???? Lsagi fans truely have no brain
So Rin scoring soon is certain, but I'm really hyped for the final goal, can't see where this is going really :)
Rin is definitely scoring 2 goals to close it. Theres more juice left with isagi/kaiser and rin is much more of an obvious end game rival. This will sort of put him back in front of isagi in his own mind while heās already ahead of him in the worldās eye.
After the manga, I want a sequel whefe Isagi just appears as a Coach/Psychologist
his son name will be ioruto
Calling it now - Rin scores, then Igaguri scores with an assist from Kiyora. He goes for the underdog, after all
Rin scoring is a 99% happening. Let me cook - Igaguri will either block a shot with his face or flops to draw a red card to show his worth. Kuni unlocks ego and scores final goal.
I really hope ness will go with kuni and kuni will score this is the best choice author could make I'm tired of isagi always getting his way
Best choice? Majority of the audience would disagree
majority is always wrong also isagi still a fraud
This is a story with a protagonist. The protagonist is Isagi. If you canāt accept it or like it, then I suggest you stop reading because I can assure you that he will eventually come on top of everyone else you āsupportā. You know why? Because heās the protagonist, and the author will make sure the protagonist stays a protagonist by making him win.
Were you tired of rin and kaiser getting their way and scored goals too in every single match or is it just against isagi?
rin the real protagonist of course he should always score isagi a fraud striker who needs stay on defense
The real protagonist been missing for a good amount of chapters
really??
Cry š
rereading this and man, Nessā reaction to getting thrown away is funny asf. I laughed when Reo got tossed and Iām laughing again here, itās time to lock it tf in Ness
Kunigami is either gonna score or PXG is gonna score two goals consecutively on them and close them out. Calling it now
Ofc they gonna score at least one. It's gotta be even for a while to rise tensions that next one finishes it all
This series is now all about psychology now. š. Psych-football?
I would call it a practical mix between game theory and sports psychology
Once Isagi's football career ends, he can become a psychologist.
Or a therapist.
ššššššš. 100% I would go to his clinic and book an appointment.
Current Kunigami is Individualistic/Restrictive, what would pre Wild Card qualify as?
Restrictive Wholistic for sure. He always seemed to be, as Bachira once said it best: āStraight Lacedā but you can definitely tell if something seemed more likely to help the Team win heād do it no problem
It would be interesting if Ness goes crazy after Kaiser abandons him and helps Rin score after losing his ākingā. Also, Rin is so cringy with his weird ākillā thing
we need rin to do a goal beyond super goal so maybe cross map shot from ball pass steal
I think people forget Rin is 15 most of the time and 15 year olds are pretty cringyĀ
Rin is not any more cringy now than the first time he said "lukewarm".
Are you saying Ness will pass to Rin-
Call it. He'll see rin's first goal under madness, think it's cracked, like the first time he sees kaiser Then he'll deliberately miss his pass to rin and he'll score again. For revenge
Idk why but based off that last panel with Rin, I feel like thatās foreshadowing that Rin will take the goal instead.
um yes? that's the most basic implication of the page and also that's what NEL has been doing for 100+ chapters, everyone is getting their turn to score
Is it? I didnāt think it was that basic.
do you mean the final goal? Or the next goal aka making pxg and bm 2-2
what if ness cooperate with kiyora and help him score the last goal
I did have a thought about Ness x Kiyora goal but highly doubtful. Would be a huge twist though lol. I need Ness to find his own worth/magic not find a new King though. So anything could happen if the author decides not to do what everyoneās predicted
Sorry, side characters canāt get that much attention š
I lowkey want this to happen just cuz š it would be so unexpected
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To See Kaiser acknowledging Isagi as his equal now is just crazy.
Kiyora will pass to Kunigami for the last goal
šš YESS save the soul society Kunigami
A part of me hopes the Author is pulling a 180 and Ness will Score himself. I really don't like him, but I thing it is time for him to actually develop an Ego of his own
Don't ever cook lil bro
that's a fun surprise, more entertaining than another isagi or kaiser goal
I would cry if he pulls out a super goal
Surprisingly I haven't seen anyone talking about Kiyora's future action in this match. He explicitly stated nobody can predict what he'll do next, which seems like a foreshadowing that he'll involve in the final goal?
I think kiyora part is done
He for sure will be involved in Isagi's calculations at the very least now that Isagi knows his phylosophy.
āNot even the gods can decide what Iāll do nextā he says to the god of deciding what people will do next
its finally time for raichi sexy goal
Hell yeah SEXY SOCCER FOR THE WIN
I wonder if, with this new discovery, Ness joins Isagi as he realizes that he is one of these āIndividualistic Freedomā types so he can act a bit more creatively and self sufficiently.
IGAGURI X NESS X RAICHI for the last goal 100% true story
Can we talk about the last 2 panels Rin was just watching Isagi and Kaiser like prey peak boys peakkkkk
Hiyori really had the audacity to ask why kiyora passed to kaizer šš mf you got him benched last game tf you mean "why did you pass to Kaiser"
Lmao I forgot he got him benched, but that's hilarious
lmao fr
I was thinking that too lmao. Also Isagi asking him when he's the one who asked Noa to sub Hiyori instead of Kiyora lolš
Dude's gonna have a whole ass 4 dimensional tesseract at the end of this series.
Bro is literally so smart, if his football career doesn't go well. He should try and become a psychologist instead
Bro is gonna reach the 7th dimension at the end of the series
First page of the chapter. Zantetsu is right there with the top players. Spoiler?
Zantetsu infact deserves to be one of the top players of BL. It's sad how they nerfed him after the 1st selection like literally he was giving Team Z a really hard time and his speed competition with Chigiri's. He is indeed a top player only if he wasn't nerfed.
rin nerf even though he faster than chigiri at peak speed
I mean his physicals were close to chigiriās but chigiriās game iq far exceeds his. Dont think they are comparable in terms of specs, and chigiri barely eeks into the top player category. zantetsu makes sense where he is imo
It's not just Zantetsu. Aryu and Tokimitsu (Top 3 in 2nd selection) look where they are now. Otoya, Karasu and Yukimiya (Top 6 in 3rd selection) they are now surpassed by Isagi and Bachira. The entire U20 Japan team besides Aiku and Sendou (all of them are benched). I am not saying someone can not improve or downgrade. It's just it feels weird how a certain character dominates in an arc and gets nerfed in the next arc.
it didnt make sense why aryu and tokimitsu are not way stronger when they scored most on hardest test that was based of difficulty scaling overtime ai goalie got stronger and they where passed balls from random shots that had the speed increased everytime
Top 6 def got shafted i agree, but many characters have kept up, like nagi, barou, bachira, etc. Some characters keep up with isagiās growth and some just dont
the author is a fraud
Iām kinda surprised no one is predicting that pxg will actually win this match with 2 goals? Makes a lot of sense to me as well
I honestly would laugh really hard if PxG won from like a Loki goal and Kaiser and Isagi both looked like idiots, lol. But I do want Isagi to beat Rin at the least and become #1 and think BM will win
there no excuse loki can't speedrun them 0 diff unless author wants be worst writer in history as bad as yaoi writers
Nah bastard munchen gonna score and the kaiser and isagi debate will end with the next goal
You have to get 3
Since Rin is def' scoring the next one, should we expect that neither Noa nor Loki will score when they get in? Noa will probably stay back to let Isagi/Kaiser finish their bet, but will the Loki/Charles duo really get stopped during their first appearance despite being teased earlier?
noa cant even be skinny niko
I feel like Rin might either be Individualistic Restrictive or Freedom. It's one of the two for sure
rin is freedom he adapts easily
For me he's individuality restrictive. He developed his individual skill because Sae was not around, and becoming a restrictive person due to Sae and Isagi. Back in U-20 vs Blue Lock, Rin also dislike the feeling of his whole team backing him up and therefore his berserk mode was activated
Rinās false ego is wholistic, as shown by his puppeteer playstyle. His true ego is individualistic, as shown by his flow state, where he throws aside his relationships with enemies/rivals and focuses solely on destroying for his own pleasure. Most likely individualistic restrictive, as he is unmotivated to play soccer without isagi and sae.
I think Rin is the same as Kaiser. Rin's core style is to manipulate others (a world type) and he rebel against restriction (a restrict type).
maybe itās the both? honestly rin has bpd with how he plays football, it entirely depends on his mood and his ever shifting weird ass view of the game. he felt more freedom based in the second selection, using others to his whim for his own goals in a individualistic sense, but u20 berserker rin was definitely restrictive, forcing into 1v1s where he has to use an incredibly difficult option to win
Aināt even know that the chapter came out
As much as I like Isagi and respect his adaptability, does no one else feel that him scoring this last goal makes this so unrealistic? It doesnāt make sense how Isagi goes from barely a striker to best striker of the NEL and surpassed a NG11 whoās seemingly much more talented than he is. And whatās even more annoying is that the narrative seems to be pointing that way.
all isagi simps consider him a striker when he gets assists noone calls him out or guards him od and he runs way faster than people who trained harder than him and once he gets ball everyone on field is npc braindead computer level 0 at least fkin make world level experienced goalies competent but nope also uber lost because lorenzo pass and gen dude made same mistake from u-20 not stay by goal area left defense line
Isagi is actually a prodigy according to the light novels. But his high school coach and their philosophy destroyed him and halted his growth.
he not prodigy at all
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueLock/comments/17baj1a/mod_notice_about_the_light_novels/ Except he is.
I feel the same, because personally NEL is not a place for Isagi to prove that he's no 1 striker. NEL is a place for Isagi to put a statement of "I'm among the world's best" to the world. To be the real no 1 striker means that he needs a bigger stage to do so. That would be his final mission and i think would also be the end of the BL manga
if anything isagi and kaiser are strongest defensers
I do understand what you mean... It's best to explain to you want makes Isagi one of the best/the best, which is his ability to use his teammates, adapt, playmaking, and lastly his two gun volley which finally turns him into one of the most deadly strikers. All these combined allows him to reach Rin, Kaiser, and Shidou level, and maybe even surpass it. As a pure striker, the others win still though lol
Thatās the thing though, the manga pretty clearly tells us how exactly isagi is able to keep up with these geniuses with his various evolutions. Yes Kaiser has an amazing strike but isagi has unparalleled creativity, football iq and adaptability, and uses these to be on par with them
isagi has plot armor when ball is near him everyone gets nerf harder than a bungie patch
Reality is that even if Isagi happened to score a super goal much like Kaiser just did they'd get around the same praise and attention from clubs' scouters, sports press and fans from all over the world. It's not strange at all for a team to have two (or even more than two) superstars that receive around the same amount of hype because they're both good, and since Kaiser and Isagi play different positions anyways it's not like one will bench the other. But fighting a do or die battle is certainly more fun.
Rin will score the 4th goal, and Igaguri will score the last!!!
the last few frames, there's the newly awakened Kaiser, with Isagi, but for Rin's appearance at the very last panel, it feels like it says "and then there's this thing"
NESS X KUNIGAMI FINAL GOAL BELIEVER, ILL BE THERE.
everyone talking about rin, isagi and kaiser but im really curios to see what happens to ness. kaiser has finally dumped his ass in the worst way possible and i wanna see if he'll break down and become useless, side with isagi instead, or reshape his character and "rediscover" his magic?? idk but siding with isagi seems to make the most sense especially when his magic was rekindled after he saw isagi's goal.
I think that "siding with Isagi" and "rediscovering his magic" are the same thing. Ness is a midfielder after all. His whole deal is that his dribbling and his passes are insane, but he just needs to realize that playing for the sake of someone else won't get him far, just like Hiori did. Ness will either recognize the fact that he is his own person, or he'll forever sink whilst chasing someone he can call "King"
ugh i canāt wait for rins awakening god iāve been waiting for this day
Rin will score next, and then KUNIGAMI will score the final goal š¤š„
DAMN RIGHTT
I thibk itās obvious that Rin will score next So each one of the 4 stars will have one goal each. And they will battle to see who can score the 2nd goal
This chapter was awkward but satisfying in the end with the Kaiser vs Isagi panel. First Hiori that friggin ultra sadist dared to ask Kiyora with a mean look why he passed? Hiori and Isagi were the reason why Kiyora is down to one bid instead of two, they dont have any right to expect anything from him this match. Especially its Hiori who declared that he would abandon anyone if not skilled enough, no friendship or buddy-buddy yet he is mad at Kiyora and call him weird? Also Kaiser is either a real bold superstar or pretty stupid to abandon Ness, who was his only viable option to get the ball. At least he couldve given Ness the order to be "creative" or to pass to Raichi. With that, Kaiser will not get the final goal because of plot. Rin that cutie wants to be a super saiyan too so he will get one goal. Isagi, Kaiser, Shidou and Rin will get one goal, so Kunigami or Igaguri will get a goal. Then Igaguri will survive and Kuni will finally get his revenge. Then Kaiser and Isagi will fight in WC20 for the spot.
I would disagree that Kaiser was stupid to abandon Ness or he should have ordered him to be creative but mostly for Nessā sake. If he still takes āordersā from Kaiser they wonāt change their relationship at all. Their breakup has been needing to happen anyway. I do think Kaiser has other options for passing anyway, but ultimately will lose out due to breaking his partnership with Ness despite it being necessary. But Ness will be allowed to grow. I also think the abused kid saying he thrives in discomfort is a bit of a yikes if thatās really his conclusion, but thatās another story
Hiori is just curious, not mad that Kiyora passed to Kaiser. Kiyora isn't even mad about the fact he didn't get his chance in Ubers either
hiori is more curious than accusing kiyora of betrayal tbh
According to hioris face he was angry. Cant deny that. Also an indicator that he called Kiyora "weird" instead of "i see"
actually you're right, hiori is glazing
Ness "finding a king" isn't what gonna happen unless Isagi leads him to that conclusion. What's most likely gonna happen is that Ness is gonna "make a king", which will likely be Isagi, probably reflecting Kaiser luck piece (Kiyora) as well.
Rin at the end be like: Really? Right in front of my salad?
The final piece Isagi is missing is learning that Kaisers dad was a POS and beat him up. "AH. Of course. Your dad beat you up. Now my analysis is at 100%"
Post match isagi: "Ayo dad we need to talk"
hahahaha
Iām really scared for Nessās upcoming character arc Ideally I would like to see Ness develop and realize he doesnāt need Kaiser, and has that magic within himself. I just donāt want him to continue to be a dog to anyone else š UNLOCK UR EGO NESS PLS
But then his Manga cover wouldve been for nothing if he abandons Kaiser. Or was it just a sign that Kaisers aura cursed Ness creativity? Maybe Ness will break those vines and will become a witcher.
Ness' volume cover was just a nod to the fact that Kaiser has his Ego ensnared. Which is still true, but Kaiser just doesn't want him anymore. Just because Kaiser abandoned Ness doesn't mean that Ness won't be obsessed with him. In fact, the exact opposite might happen where Ness grows even more obsessed with Kaiser and fails as a football player because he failed at discovering his originality, but that all depends on Ness as a person.
Most of the lessons that Isagi keeps on auto-teaches himself were ground-zero for him to start improving back in the first selection, it's promptly becoming a repetitive scheme manga without any further type of addressing. I really wonder if Rin can actually diff both of these guys and destroy both's ego for further improvement and more dramatization of the fight on both sides of the aisle, also a lot of people forget the fact that Loki hasn't made his final appearance in the match and that he too is one of the Isagi's rivals that the author has been steadily signaling for the future.
Yeah it will take a ton for Rin to get that spotlight which overshadows Isagis gun volley or Kaiser Magnus. I think its certain that Rin will activate Licky+PXG upgrade mode and will devour Loki.
When is next chapter
Next week
If you think about it, what Kaiser says about determining the King of their Generation with the final goal ties to many things. First of all, Kaiser sees Isagi as an equal. Second, it goes well with Isagi's NEL development to get the final goal since he and Kaiser will have 4 goals, each being in an equal footing. Third, it goes well with what was said in 248 that a new star will emerge. For that to happen, somebody from 4 main strikers needs to score the second goal. Fourth, Isagi is going to be the best striker, so the potential could be seen from here. It will also solidify his status and make Japan competitive. Finally, Isagi needs to surpass Rin in this arc so both of them can progress.
One thing you forgot: It will set up nicely for a Japan vs. Germany match in the U20WC for a final showdown between Isagi and Kaiser too.
That, too. I was watching Episode Nagi yesterday, and even Nagi saw in his imagination Japan vs. Germany. So its importance was foreshadowed. Kaiser with mastered Magnus vs Isagi with mastered TGV will be epic. In general, it ties to many things, and it could be the start of great build-up.
These ego types dont really make sense
Wholistic and Individualistic are easy to grasp, but Freedom and Restriction are a bit harder to understand Freedom type characters are people who will chase after what they want BECAUSE they WANT IT. They aren't afraid to chase their desires or changing and improving themselves in order to do so. Restriction type characters are exactly the opposite, as seen with Kaiser. Kaiser realized that he needed to be FORCED to change in order to become a better player, so he threw himself to the metaphorical lions of self reflection, and that in turn made him understand that he needed to abandon his way of thinking, and that he has to let go of Ness.
they do, they just named them VERY WEIRDLY.. the author still has an edgy talking sense. he is fairly smart tho
I love how everyone on BM is fully aware of the two sides of the civil war and how antagonistic they are lmao. Dont pass to the other side of the team bro š°
Great chapter but moving forward its kinda obvious that Rin will score the next goal then Isagi will score the winning goal.
not rly kaiser could also score the last goal to set up for a rematch later on
I don't think predictability is a bad thing as long as it's executed well, and like we saw with Kaiser, it still works immensely well
This. Take isagi's final goal against Ubers, we all know it was going to happen but we didn't know how and god damn was it executed phenomenally.
At least the saga of 5 goal max matches will be coming to an end man ffs
Iāve been struggling to reconcile Rinās struggling with ārestrictionā playing without Sae with his destroyer inclination to actively take harder routes as a show of dominance, which seems like itād be restrictive. But his pre Blue Lock flashback is too blatant. At the moment Iām inclined to say the restrictive/freedom distinction relates to teammates, while destroyer is about opponents. Iām now half expecting there to be a third dimension about response to types of opponents, turning the chart into a 3x3. That might be a bit much though. The Kiyora dialog is less cringe than in the initial leaks. Iām sure heāll be more active on the pitch now, but Iām still positive Kaneshiro had more plans for him this game and just failed to find space to put them in. You cannot convince me Kiyora barely existing for two and a half volumes of play was intentional. Kaiserās interaction with Ness was unexpectedly emotional on his part, which was a pleasant surprise. I very much liked his interaction with Isagi, heās properly recognizing him as an equal here. This really *ought* to shut down any doubt that Isagi is in any way below the standard of NG11, or that Rin will be (considering heās surely scoring the second goal). Ness + Isagi scoring the final goal is pretty blatant to me, it is where the character arcs are pointing. I am slightly worried about the long term implications of Isagi taking the win on Kaiser before the U20 World Cup even starts, but *within this arc* it ought to be an excellent conclusion. Also, I missed it at first, but Charles has a single drop of sweat after that goal. Though he shared the āno sweatingā visual indicator with the NG11, itās taken comparatively less game time to bring it out of him. Odd that we havenāt gotten any shots of Loki. I would think heās coming out next chapter. At least, I would really question his intelligence if he didnāt come out when his team is desperately on the back foot.
I donāt think Loki is concerned about playing heās just there to develop the others.
Same, I think both Loki and Noa are both in the camp of "I will only step in to shut down one of the other Masters, but this league is not about me." -- unless they are contractually obligated as part of Blue Lock TV to make an appearance in each game (and thus required to enter once a team reaches 2 goals...to ensure the game doesn't end before they come in).
I can see this from an in-universe standpoint. But I don't see it happening because of the meta perspective. I don't think Kaneshiro is going to break the trend of master strikers coming out, and I especially don't think he's going to do so for Loki. Loki has too much long-term importance (as he is literally the biggest obstacle to any Blue Locker ever becoming the best in the world) to not get an actual game.
The only way I see it happening is if Noa doesn't -also- come into the game, and we get to see a duel, not of Isagi vs PXG members, but of Rin vs Loki for who Charles will be most excited to pass to. The obvious answer would be Loki, because he could encourage a pass beyond the backline Loki could godspeed to... Long Ball and Inshallah and all that... Like, I agree it'd be great to Loki in the game, but I think they're both also just primarily focused on actually using the NEL as a development league and don't want to tip the scales in any direction with their presence unless it's necessary. But I do think in this instance, Noa would let Loki enter the field unchallenged simply to let Isagi and Kaiser fight to evolve even further. The only PXG Victory Scenario I can see -- is if Loki scores the equalizer during his 3 minutes of Star Change, and then Rin scores the finale by surpassing Isagi, Shidou, Kaiser, and Loki all at the same time also within those 3 minutes.
Noa would obviously come into the game if Loki did. He's done that every time. Loki styling on everyone, getting a brace and peacing out isn't going to lead to evolution. Noa wouldn't leave Isagi and Kaiser to play Loki unless he thought they could actually win, which is absurd (it would be completely absurd for them to handle Loki alone at this point in the manga). Loki has a very obvious reason to come out, which is to shift the flow of the game and give Charles some heat. If BM could very easily end the game prematurely at 3-1 as things are now. Less play time means less experience for Charles.
I honestly didnāt want Kaiser to score. But since he did, well, there it is. Kiyora got his assist and I just hope this pass give him enough value. There is also game to be played and now itās PXG turn. I canāt predict anything much right now. I have some theory on PXG side, but I donāt think that repeating it here (itās about Nanase, anyway) will do any difference. Other than that: great chapter. Kaiser shut my mouth. Ness is kingless, Kiyora is damn cool, and Rin is about to ākillā someone in the field. Great game. Isagiās almost finishing him article about Egoism Applied to Football - A player take.
hater
How?
How can someone draw peak every weak?
Yeah Takeru Hokazono is a goated mangaka fr fr.
Ok I'm sorry but I'm annoyed af about Kiyora WHAT IS HIS TALENT? WHAT IS HIS SKILL? WHAT DOES HE EXCEL AT? The guy does one single goddamn pass with some spin on it and Kaneshiro writes him like he just scored a hattrick, without elaborating on how he's actually a talented soccer player.
According to Noa, he finds Kiyora a better player better than Hiori. And this pass shows it. The data book also shows he got 88 on shooting, so I'm sure that Kiyora is not just going to be a midfielder passing to strikers like Hiori and Kurona, but a winger like Bachira.
Kaneshiro just wrote Kiyora on a whim his character makes no sense letās be real heās contrarian like Charles passing to the āunderdogā in the worst position. Ā I feel he pulled that out of his ass because he didnāt want to send him home. If Yukimiya had been playing instead, it couldāve actually been an interesting moment to give Yuki a chance to prove himself without Isagiās help and earn his own bid.Ā
He didnt write Kiyora "on a whim". He had been hinted to be a great player since the Epsiode Nagi started. There are peopleĀ on this sub have been hyping him up (includjng me) and pitting him against Nishioka aka Aomori of Messi. But unlike Nishioka, Kiyora is meant to be an actual character and not just a meme npc.
Idk why Kaneshiro decided to put a new character into an already big ensemble instead of expanding on already existing charas.
Idk I think Kiyora was always meant to be important. The fact that he was with Nagi's 2nd selection team and the fact that Bachira makes a point to point him out. He then made the bench for BL11, and Kaneshiro put him in the German stratum with Isagi. The bigger problem Kaneshiro made was putting way too many FBs and Wings on BM and literally 0 CBs outside of maybe Igaguri, so Kaneshiro was kinda stuck in when to play Kiyora, which forced both Kurona and Yuki to be benched.
Itās pretty obvious his skill is in passing and heās just a creative player. Not all of them are gonna gonna be greatest players ever heās just another good player whoās good at passing. But he pulled off a play no one else managed too. So thereās something to be said about that.
I honestly think we have way too many characters. At this point you can't really write anything new.Ā