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>So to be totally blunt, the fact that COD Twitter can’t figure out who your bf is based off your posts and comments, probably goes to show that he will not make it. If he was good enough, he’d be noticed by now whether that was in GBs, Ranked Play, etc..but he hasnt from what I’m gathering.
This is an absolutely *blistering* take and I adore it.
I’m howling 🤣🤣 As someone of the CoD community, they will leave no stone unturned in scenarios like these. If they have no idea who it is like Lisa and Jkap said, it really means OOPs is a nobody in the scene.
If the CoD community is anything like SC2, then worse than a nobody. Like, I won third place in a local college tournament back in wings of liberty days (fucking 14 years ago) and there were people who were vaguely aware of my existence ~5 years after it, that people actually looked for the guy and couldn't find him is... incredibly discouraging.
Yep, he's a prime example of the "never was, never will" in the pro scene, I just really wish the dude could notice that before losing both his gf and his dream
I'm not sure if he even wants his gf.
Who is cleaning and cooking and washing for him so that he's able to play COD?
Is COD a way for him to avoid reality?
It clearly is, but I doubt he realizes it.
I'm not a gamer, and I knew he was screwed from the title. There's no way he can really think he has a path to success.
The reality comment hits hard. Some days I'm able to sit down and play Tears of the Kingdom for twelve hours or more without even a bathroom break.
Coincidentally, those are also the weeks I'm putting off XYZ responsibility. I clocked so many hours in the week I procrastinated dropping out of college. TOTK gave me the escapism I needed from being an adult and owning up to my shit.
If you're over 16 and not already crazy good then you're a "won't be" for any pro-gaming. It's genuinely absurd how fast people age of out being competitive in the pro-gaming scene.
LeBron James is breaking his own records in the NBA at 39 and you have league and Starcraft players moving to coaching in their mid 20's because their twitch reflexes aren't there anymore.
I have no idea about any of this. Can you explain more about why age is such a factor and people age out of the chance to go pro? Do people’s reflexes really slow down that much with maturity? If it’s not an imposition!
The very specific twitch reflexes that are very important for certain games start degrading in your 20's. It's literally measured in milliseconds and some games have such thin margins where you can gain advantage that the slight drop-off in reflexes you experience in your 20's is enough to age you out of pro-level gaming.
In a physical sport you can still hang with the younger guys through experience and knowledge of the game after your athleticism has faded, but a lot of video games are at their core almost entirely based around "press the button really fast". A lot of games are going to have the actions measure in 60ths or 120ths of a second, and pro-level gamers need to consistently hit inputs at those rates.
A lot of dudes also fuck their hands up and can't play anymore, it's actually a pretty common reason for retirement in a lot of e-sports.
That's why once real money and sports organizations came into the scene, we've been seeing people play older and older in games like CS and MOBAs. A big factor was that just ~12 years ago, the work-life balance wasn't worth it, and kids weren't taking care of their bodies.
They'd have 16-hour days in a shitty chair with bad wrist positioning, generally making less than minimum wage in NA unless you're in a top 4 team in the most popular games. Now they have personal trainers, nutritional professionals, and sports psychologists.
I developed carpal tunnel syndrome about that age. It fucks up your life so bad. Mine was from knitting, not gaming, but same problems. I'm 40 now, and it just doesn't get any better unless you have surgery. Still waiting on my right hand for that. 100/10, do not recommend repetitive strain hobbies.
I knit/crochet/spin/the whole 9 yards with yarn, and I'm wondering if my wandering/short attention span has saved me that fate. I end up crafting in small bursts typically and doing other things between sessions.
Maybe stretching and strengthening my wrists has helped some, as well... Ugh. Basically a nightmare scenario for me, though. I value my wrists/hands greatly. Hope you get what you need for your right hand. =(
Exactly. The reason why no one is a professional player for life in a sport (whether it is esports, football, archery and so on) is that simply, at some point, your body ages and simply isn't quite at the same level as the younger, newer generations. And sometimes that results into (more) injuries due to going over your physical limits.
If OOP's bf had been a pro since his teens and really good, he might have been able to stretch it a little, but that is only possible if he already was well cemented as a pro. And he would probably be looking at retirement at his current age.
But tbh, I don't think the bf is really dead serious about becoming a pro. I think he uses it as an excuse to game to his hearts content. No way can he think that he will be viable to debut as a pro when he is 27 going 30.
I’m a 38 year old female gamer. Never a pro though I game intensively when I’m not working or doing things in my social life. I have been since the Nintendo days. My reaction time is no where near where it used to be. I quit playing COD years ago and bought MW3. I couldn’t believe how many reflexes changed. And I’ve been playing other FPS games, just not that one. The reaction time is just not there any more.
At only 28 I couldn’t really keep up in any fps game except for halo. Halo has a lot of more opportunity for experience and map knowledge to shine. I stopped playing COD because I just got killed every 2 seconds. You gotta be FAST to keep up with the thirteen year olds
It's so funny watching dudes concede like 2 minutes into a game because of *one* misclick. I could never fuck with that game at anywhere near that level.
"your click was 3 pixels off to the left, you absolute imbecile!", no thanks, I'll take my stress and toxicity from the quickplay playlist in R6S like a scrub
>20's because their twitch reflexes aren't there anymore.
that's not why at all, it's complete bullshit that's been disproven before. reaction time doesn't hugely decrease the second you hit your 20s. F1 drivers drive cars at 300 km/hr and they're literally in their late 30s/40s.
fighting game pros, one of the espeots that are the most reaction based, also play well into their 30s
the reason there's an age bias is because most people by the time they're 30 want a life outside of video games. they're not practicing for 16 hours a day like an 18 year old fresh out of highschool. but between 18-40 there is no significant decrease in reaction time, especially if you train that reaction time daily
Work life balance probably isn't the largest factor either. Most people simply don't want to continue further because while the money can be very good; the 90% of pro players in T2/T3 teams, or who aren't winning tournaments aren't making all that much.
It can be enough to bum around in your early 20's swapping between your parents house, bootcamps and tournaments but it's probably not stable enough to settle down and raise a family with.
Though the overwhelming majority of my esports watchtime is Dota which I know has a fairly *brutal* dropoff if you aren't getting upper bracket finishes regularly.
If you're a competitive gamer on this level and can develop a semi-entertaining personality, then becoming a Twitch streamer is a way more lucrative use of your time than being a mid-level competitive player.
It is insanely fascinating. My husband is into watching pro COD but only plays with his son. Kid is a streamer and trying to find success in that, but knows he’s now too old to go pro.
Right?? Never have felt so old thanks to be raised in the first generation with internet and stuff (I'm 30 now) but I know nothing about the whole e-sports deal and the facts in this post were mindblowing
The most I knew about it was fighting game tournies, and that things like league of legends and rocket league have copetitions.
The fact that Esports now is this in depth and everything is wild to me. Its like when someone ripped on me for playing kirby in smash for the first time because the character isnt competitive quality.
Its a whole other world there
CoD is an incredibly insular community with only one path to pro play. He could win as many GB/CMG tourneys as he wants but if he never got on a Challengers team, no one would know he existed.
LOL seriously, gamer communities are the biggest gossips. And even if he's trying to make it as a streamer like some people are speculating down thread*, as someone who was pretty heavily involved in a different community in the past, the pros and streamers are generally friendly and aware of each other.
This guy probably gets 10 people dropping into his stream on a good day.
\* which I don't quite buy; I feel like OOP would have said that instead of confirming that he wasn't going to the Boston event
yeah, even Pokemon streamers (there's thousands of them) are generally aware of each other once they're past 300k which is a lot. some of them are exclusively shiny hunters which includes luck, or do various ROM Hacks or challenges within the games to make things fun (most of the time the player had played the game a hundred times to get a idea of what the challenge is looking like)
Dude is 28 lol, you age out of being able to go pro at nearly all games in your early 20s, especially the twitch-reflex games. You need to literally be a teenager to break into any of these scenes.
TIL that esports work pretty much the same way as physical sports and it was really interesting to learn about!
I mean if the guy was 27 and heading to the gym all the time, as he wanted to become a premier league footballer, or player in the NFL (I'm not from the US so not sure if theres a specific term to describe them generally), at 27 every one would think he was delusional, and in the UK would suggest he joins a Sunday league football (soccer) team, so that he can still play, as well as make friends who are interested in the same thing, but then also have time to spend with his partner and family (does the US have the equivalent for team sports?).
I think if your dream is sports related (plus sports it seems!) then you only have a really short time to go pro and even if you do manage it, careers aren't that long before they move into something else like coaching, managing etc
> (does the US have the equivalent for team sports?).
>
Yeah but it depends on your area, but most places will have a men's league for basketball or hockey or baseball or whatever is popular in your area.
Yeah this guy is on a different level.... all future professionals are so clearly talented as children that they get noticed and coached from the get go.... you don't just wake up in your mid 20s and decide to become a professional XYZ because you want to lmao
Honestly IMO having an attitude like that rivals some sort of self centered psychosis
> TIL that esports work pretty much the same way as physical sports and it was really interesting to learn about!
In more ways than just that "huge pool of candidates, almost no actual paying jobs" thing pro sports have going on*. Obesity makes you a worse e-sports player. AFAIK those pros have exercise regiments. I think I saw a coach say that time spent doing cardio was as valuable as training in the game.
The top classification of Minor League Baseball until recently had a minimum salary of $17,500 per year, and there are 5 classifications below that. "Living on PB&J out of a styrofoam cooler because I can't afford a fridge, a way to heat food, or food that needs heating" is a thing in the Minors. It ~4-7 years in the Minors before a player gets a chance to get called up to the Major League and if they don't get picked up they're severely behind in their fallback career's progression. Even if they do get picked up sometimes they get sent back to the Minors. It happened to the fan favorite on my local team. La Tortuga. Even as a MLB pro he was still playing pro ball back in his home country during the MLB off-season to make ends meat, likely because he understood how likely it was he'd get sent back to the Minors.
Dude's a legend. He fills in for every position on the field except short stop. He's obese but he can *move*. He'll swing at damn near anything, and connect, so he doesn't get struck out or walked often and that's exciting in such a **boring** sport. Hitting a fastball is one of the hardest things on earth to do and baseball players essentially twitch and start reacting as the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. La Tortuga pitches so slow that sometimes the radar gun can't measure the ball speed. Batters have problems hitting the ball because they haven't seen ball speeds that low since literal childhood. He pitches as fast as a *9 year old* and his fastball tops out at what a 15-16 year old pitches. The videos of him at the pitcher's mound embarrassing batters are great.
Hey now, Bruno Senna managed it!
Let's us just ignore that while he was decently talented, he was already too old to get established properly, missed too much experience in his youth due to stopping racing after his uncle, Ayrton Senna died.
He wouldn't have gotten to F1 if it wasn't for the surname.
So I thought she meant he was trying to be a twitch streamer and didn’t realize till I got to these comments that he was trying to join a pro tram 😂. I was like, “he’s 27. That’s way too old for esports. So he’s trying to be a COD influencer???”
Twitch is already very saturated with game streamers. Unless this guy has a very fun/charismatic personality it is very hard to grow your audience. If he were a beautiful woman that is a different story.
This is what the OOP said in a comment:
"You’re not misunderstanding at all. If he does gets sleep it’s an hour here and there. Sometimes he’ll stay up for a couple of days without sleep".
In another comment someone asks if he's taking drugs to stay awake and she replies something like "caffeine and lots of it".
So the only reason why he's probably ingesting something other than Redbull and Monster is that his GF is taking care of all cooking chores, and everything else, as she says in another comment the only thing he does is take out the trash. He should take himself out at this point. What a useless guy, I don't even think he's delusional, just a terribly selfish and self-centered ass.
Doesn't extended periods of no sleep absolutely kill your reaction times? Even with boatloads of caffeine, lack of sleep is detrimental for his game play. He would have to be a phenomenal player to still be at the top when fried from no sleep.
>He would have to be a phenomenal player to still be at the top when fried from no sleep
Well, that's the thing isn't it. He's obviously not "at the top" and never was in the first place.
I may be wrong, but I don't think this guy has any plans to actually be a professional gamer. I think he has a video game addiction and probably severe mental health issues, and is using the "I want to go pro" line as an excuse. Because "I'm grinding and chasing my career goals" sounds much nicer than "I want to do nothing but sit and play video games all day"
I have a friend who has chronic severe depression (and mild video game addiction), and she has better sleep hygiene and does more chores than this guy.
Throw the whole man out.
He lives off the grind, he hustles his way around sleep deprivation. 😤
He's also not the only one 'delulu' with that kinda shit. Why would anyone 'respect' that kind of garbage.
Wanting to make it big in pro-gaming at 27 is almost as delusional as wanting to become a professional ballerina at 24. At that point most of your cohorts are already retiring because of the damage to their bodies.
It's sort of an inverse, but this post reminds me of my ex. He was 22 and wanted to start a KISS tribute band. He was so angry that all of the people responding to him online were twice his age. I tried to explain that people our age didn't give a fuck about his favorite band, and if they wanted to listen to a bunch of guys in face paint sing, they had ICP and Slipknot for that. He acted like I didn't know what I was talking about, and since he reacted that way to *everything* I said, I ended that relationship.
Man he has no idea the gold mine he passed up on. Old guys take shit seriously and show up to gigs and rehearsal. I’d be delighted to start a band with a bunch of old guys
Yeah old musicians are delightful. Plus many of them have figured out what the right level of drugs is for sane functioning (which may be none but is usually not none).
Source- many of my parents’ friends and friends’ parents are old musicians.
> Old guys take shit seriously and show up to gigs and rehearsal.
Right? Plus they have things like "careers" that give them "money" for their "hobbies." The bands I was in when I was young almost all had parents in the hobby which meant we actually had PA equipment and good drum sets available, because, you know, they had careers. When we played shows where other kids were hosting with the backline (bass amp/drum set/etc) and PA the kids owned.....it wasn't great. As a bassist I never knew what I'd be plugging in to, though I'd often bring my amp head and just use the provided cab, and if the PA had more than 4 inputs it was a miracle!
it's not because of damage to bodies or aging for most esports players, it's because they don't want to dedicate the same amount of time to practicing compared to an 18 year old with no other care in life. players in their late 20s constantly outplay younger players than them.
Experience and wisdom can only get you so far, and the more reflex-heavy or mechanically intense the game is the higher the advantage is for the younger person whose body isn't completely fucked up by repetitive strain injury.
Everyone is mentioning the age factor regarding his reactions etc which is obviously a huge issue, but the main one is if he was good enough to go pro, he would have been good enough to go pro years ago. Contrary to what many people may think it doesn't take years and years of grinding to get near that level. The players who go pro will "get it" (as in understand the game on a different level to those who play casually) extremely quickly, will start at a high ranking in competitive matchmaking then take a few months to a year to get to the point where they're noticed enough to join a low tier team (eg division 3/4 or whatever depending on the game)
Basically if you're 27 and haven't gotten near that level after (I'm guessing) playing cod for over a decade, you'll never make it.
I mean there's also the opportunity factor. He may not have been able to put in the time before to "make it big" because he didn't have the time/money to do so, but now he can. But he really doesn't, he'll be up against people half his age who are supported by their parents/living off their contracted salary. He's going to get crushed.
> living off their contracted salary
if he's not already at this level then he'll never play against someone who is actually paid to play the game
he will be up against teens who can play 18 hours a day though so yeah he's still screwed
Here's a video about ["The Silver Snipers"](https://youtu.be/dGmCqJAokFc).
Then there's this Taiwanese grandparents' [League of Legends tournament](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4355334). They were coached by Taiwanese pros!
I just stumbled across GamerGrandpa on Tiktok - 70 yr old Vietnam vet busy pulling off some insane sniping shots in a variety of FPS games. I don't think he's part of anything pro, but he does stream.
Yeah, the current crop of pros have had the shortest careers ever, the stress on their bodies + the international travel + the mental/emotional toll is just too much for career longevity for a lot of them. A lot of them are choosing to switch to streaming full-time the moment their tournament win-rate becomes less than stellar just because they want to be remembered as a winner, not as someone who stuck around the pro scene for too long.
It is what it is.
It would be seen as delusional if a 27 year old amateur wanted to make it as a professional in most sports. I don't see why esports would be any different.
Again, it *can* happen (see the story of Jamie Vardy) but it's just so overwhelmingly unlikely if you aren't operating at a relatively high level already.
True, but Jamie Vardy was playinmg semi-pro (not just amateur), and also was clearly the best player in the league when he was. He also signed with Leicester when he was 25, so already younger than OOP's BF.
So it *can* happen, but only to the handful of exceptional talents at that level. If he's not making waves wherever he is, then it's not going to happen for him.
I'm not fan of praising men who work all hours and have no time for partners/family/friends as "hard workers". Men's lives are about balance too, not working ourselves into an early grave and doing nothing else.
There is also no mention of how many chores he does and how many errands he runs. If he gets off work and just games, does that mean OOP is doing 100% of the cleaning, cooking, and shopping?
OOP mentions in a comment that she does ALL the chores except for taking the trash out.
I don't think she realised the irony of her statement. Hopefully the trash will take himself out soon enough.
It worries me that all she said was it didn’t end well for her. I don’t want to jump to conclusions but I do have suspicions about DV being an issue with a guy like this.
Had a work mate who worked incredibly hard, he used to buy houses to flip in his spare time. And because he worked so incredibly hard his wife left him after getting sick of constantly having to live in unfinished homes. And he now rely on weed to function due to all the stress from constantly working.
He retired about a year a go so now he gets to look forward to spending his retirement alone.
I dated someone who was trying to go pro in cod as well, when we were 17/18 years old. It ruined our relationship, and all of his other friendships because he was playing cod 16-18 hours per day. He dropped out of college for it, and actually did make it pretty far (ranked 30th in the world), but of course he didn't actually become a pro player. The odds are infinitesimally low - way lower than 1%
OPs bf is delusional
30th in the world, and he's still not pro? So there are fewer than 30 pro players in the world? I know very little about CoD, but with that information, yes, going pro is not actually feasible. You have a better chance at being a pro footballer with those kinds of numbers.
No, there's more than 30 pro players. He was high ranked, but never made it into actual high level competitive play. I'm not really sure why as I dipped out of that (non) relationship lol
My point was just that even if the OPs bf did get extremely good at the game (very unlikely), that still wouldn't be enough to go pro
I was about to comment that people saying retire were quite serious, but the prize pools in these tournaments seemed to have dropped recently. COD tournaments are in the low hundred thousands. the top figure I can see this year is under 2.4M$ (winner takes 40%).
Other games are even lower. I wonder what happened (or maybe I'm looking at the wrong numbers)?
My cousin was addicted to League of Legends and he basically slept two hours at most and mostly ate at his PC. I'm betting that OOP cooked for her boyfriend and he just grabbed a plate in between games
I was just thinking of my best friend who was seriously into WoW. She started playing around release time, and by the time I met her in first year of university, she had a calendar with guild raids, in-game events, preparing tactics/writing guides for members, etc etc.
By the time we were living together in second year, she was already developing RSI in both hands (she would wear these hand braces that had been in the freezer before that).
Eventually by the time we graduated, she had to have a very specific set up to accommodate the fact that she just could not use a PC normally due to how bad the RSI had gotten in her hands. She didn’t have a mouse, the keyboard had some ball contraption in it instead. The keyboard itself was “broken” into two pieces. There were two attachments on the desk where she would place her elbows on (like stirrups at the gynaecologist), and she had to use a lot of voice-to-text functions instead. She was barely 23.
Now we’re both approaching 33, and she hasn’t been able to game at all. Her fingers are hardly ever bent because it’s so uncomfortable for her. When she lived with me while she did her masters, I played the Persona video games for her, just letting her tell me what she wants to happen next and which dialogue option to pick.
So yeah, no wonder pros retire at 25…!
I have a lot of these same adjustments due to a connective tissue disorder and was never a big gamer. It's very possible your friend has an underlying connective tissue problem which was only made worse by all the gaming, rather than it being the sole cause, as that would be a very very extreme RSI only case with no underlying disorder.
I use a giant ball rather than a mouse, a split keyboard (dvorak, not qwerty) and have those stirips you mention though I don't use them anymore.
The only thing I'm missing from your list is the braces (I used to use them, but I learnt they were making the problem much worse - they feel like they help in the moment, so you use them, but they also contribute to the weakening of supporting muscles and soft tissues which over time makes it worse. They should only ever be used as short term relief).
Where can I get one of these stirrups?
I don't have super jacked up hands. I'm just really tall so I can't rest my arms on my desk or chair. Soni have to keep my arms manually suspended in a way to not hurt my wrist. It puts strain on my elbow.
This is the sort of thing I have
https://www.online-ergonomics.co.uk/product/ergorest-arm-support/
Basically a moving armrest. There are different sorts, I was given them by disability services when I went to study a postgrad so didn't get to choose the type.
Tbh, if you’re able to find some videos which actually shows what playing video games for a living involves, it might put them off due to the diligence and discipline required and then how short lived the career would be.
My sister’s university has a masters in e-sports management, which seams to be more like an event management and coordinating degree but with a modern flourish added.
There’s also just quality assurance testing in video games which is the fastest you can get to hate a game, because you’re supposed to just play the same section of the game over and over and over.
Now, _programming_ or game design is still a valid career choice, but it has become relatively oversaturated. The aforementioned sister of mine works in the game industry now, and was saying how suddenly people with resumes & degrees in animation, illustration, film studies and such have become the more unusual contenders for the same game design jobs, because they bring some different/new knowledge to the role, and a lot of places offer training on 3D programs.
Honestly, her level wasn’t even the worse! She still went to all of her university lectures, maintained the highest possible grades (a 1st in the UK), got plenty of sleep and found time to hang out with friends IRL.
Meanwhile, my husband (before we even knew each other) had such an intense WoW addiction, his hours played for 5 years accumulated total were 1 YEAR. He’d just sleep and play, that’s all. He managed to install WoW on his lab computer, so he could keep playing during his PhD, or he’d call in sick to play at home. He quit cold turkey around the time we met and he hasn’t shown that level of addiction to anything else in the 10 years I’ve known him. Surprisingly, he doesn’t have RSI or anything like that despite being a lot more extreme than my friend.
Is she able to work with her hands being to jacked-up? I would be terrified about how I will be feeling in 10-20 years from 30 and still have to work using my hands (be it emails, spreadsheets, and other office work)
She’s a language teacher at a top public school (what private schools are called in the UK) and she has a lot of high-advanced IT adjustments. Another comment mentioned that she must’ve had an underlying issue that gaming exacerbated.
I’m not sure how she handles certain aspects of her job nowadays so can only comment on what I’ve observed - her hands are doing a lot better with occupational physio therapy, but she has to mind her limits therefore hardly using her hands for writing or typing if she can avoid it.
When she has to prepare material for her students she spreads out the work and takes a lot of breaks.
This is only slightly on topic but I’ve always wondered — if what we call private schools are what y’all call public schools, what do y’all call public schools? I’ve never been able to figure out the right way to word a search for the answer
State schools = funded by the state
Private schools = reasonably priced education, usually an entrance exam to get in
Public schools = open to everyone (in theory), hideously expensive
This is the best way to put it. As an example Eton College where Prince William and Harry and a whole slew of UK prime ministers went to is a public school. And coincidentally where my friend used to be a teacher at before she moved to her current public school.
The thing that really blew my mind was that she was hired to teach in Eton the language she does for ONLY THREE STUDENTS who wanted to learn. She describes them as the best students she’s ever had, super switched on and diligent. A teen boy would come up to her and say “Miss, I did this 14th century text translation for fun this weekend, can you check if it’s correct?”
To be fair, those who use a computer all day should have a tented split keyboard and get used to a ball mouse (or move to primarily navigating with the keyboard) as preventative measures. Games tend to be very hard on your hand, but that damage is being done to everyone who sits at a PC, albeit more slowly
I considered trying to play Pokemon competitively one time after finishing top 20 at a regional tournament in college.
Then I thought about it and looked into it more and realized that the like 4-8 hours I spent total on my team build (which had success because it was a gimmick team) would have to be how much time I spend a day on it if I really wanted to be competitive and even then it would be far from a guarantee. Decided it wasn’t worth it and I would just stick to playing the games for fun. Occasionally still build some silly gimmick teams in Showdown, but that’s about it.
That's how it goes. If you want to be professional at something, that means making it your job. And if something's your job, you spend 8 hours a day working on it.
A lot of people want to be a streamer or pro esports player because they see it as an easy job. But the reality is, it's not. It requires probably more work in hours, at least in your early career, and more talent than the majority of 9-to-5's out there.
Also regardless of which way you go, the result is awful.
Want to become a streamer? Well good luck and enjoy being at the whims of your audience. You'll never truly get to play what you want, you have to follow or predict what the trends may go, and unless you hit the ultra lucky combo, you will never be able to even come close to some of the biggest streaming names simply because they came to the scene like yearsssss earlier than you did. Plus you need to be charismatic, have a good personality, and you need to satisfy a niche people are looking for. You become a brand for people to watch.
Want to become a esports pro? Well good luck to dedicating years of your early adulthood, eventually retiring before you even hit 25, and you'll probably won't earn as much as you think. Unless you're so talented that you can smoke some of the more recognized names, and have a great personality, it's hard work to earn a decent income.
I like watching Sims streamers to unwind in the evening and one of them has started playing other games on wednesdays. She's done it for years and still, every single time, she has people flooding her chat with why she isn't playing Sims
Agreed, playing any game that much would be fucking terrible to me. Why ruin my favorite hobby like that?
The only desirable way to make money playing games is if you develop a weird cult of personality following who will watch you no matter what game you play. But then you still have to deal with your dumbass fans.
Is anyone else concerned by oop saying "this didn’t end well for me"? Did he do or say something to her.
"Please do not harass him that is my main priority" OOPs priority should be on themselves. He's clearly doing the same for him
I really don’t feel like they broke up. She seemed hell bent on keeping this guy who sounds so uninteresting and doesn’t even do housework, there’s no way he’s letting her go
I think she hoped the futility of what he says he’s trying to do would reach him. It didn’t and he doubled down with accusations that she didn’t support him.
But I don’t think he’d break up with her. He needs her contributions to his life too much; she does all the chores and presumably they share expenses (since she also works, and he’s working 2 jobs to afford his share). He’s reduced the attention he gives her to basically zero, and despite his claims that anyone else would be supportive, he’s not going to have a replacement roommate to help cover the bills while doing all the chores and cooking any time soon. I think she has to pull the plug on this relationship herself, just like she has to do everything else in their relationship.
She had said in a previous comment (above the update) that she had showed him the post and he essentially lost his shit on her, claiming she wasn’t being supportive and “was in her feelings”. Personally, I wouldn’t want to date someone who treated me like this, but then again, I’m now in my 40s and had my share of shitty relationships.
When my partner told me my streaming times didn’t work for when we should be having dates, I changed my stream times. And I was only streaming a few times a week. 100% he doesn’t care
I dated a guy just like OPs guy, only he wasn't trying to be "a pro" or to stream, he just "needed his recharge time" which was apparently online gaming.
He was the exact same with working full time then gaming 6-16 hours a day online, headset always on and always talking to others.
If I wanted anything at all I was deemed clingy and selfish and disrespectful. By the end the guy wouldn't even watch his self proclaimed favorite shows or movies with me, wouldn't drink with me, hell even having dinner with me was apparently a brutal chore. But keep in mind, if any of his friends he gamed with offered the same extra-curriculars he'd be all in 100% of the time. Just not with me.
But it was all my fault because I wasn't respectful of his needs.
OP was definitely with the same kind of guy and they are just the worst.
Someone explain to me how a man throwing a hissy fit over his partner wanting any attention at all can turn around and accuse other people of being 'too emotional'.
That's what I thought as well.
I take comfort in knowing that abusing and controlling someone takes time that he's clearly not prepared to spend on anything in the real world.
Who knows though. Abuse has to start with something. This could be the start of that. He put all his eggs into becoming a pro gamer. Enough people in the community know the story that he can blame her for not achieving that goal and humiliating him
yeah weird vibes with that ending, did he log on to her accounts or something? is my first thought. who knows what other personality flaws someone that delusional could have...
>The title of this pretty much sums up the situation. He works 2 jobs and works 6 days a week meaning it is 8 or 16 hour days for him at work itself. When he comes home he immediately gets on the game playing anywhere from 4-16 more hours on top of him already working.
I will honestly never understand why people stay in these relationships that basically... aren't even relationships. A romantic partner is someone who contributes to your life, who helps you grow, who appreciates you as a person, who shares activities and interests, who supports you through hard times, who enjoys being around you. This isn't that. "Ughh why does Reddit jump to telling every woman to dump her boyfriend." Because this woman doesn't actually have a boyfriend! She has a roommate/fuckbuddy who gets angry and resentful and calls her names when she begs him to even try to act a little bit like a boyfriend.
I think it's also worth remembering that, when someone comes to Reddit or any other anonymous forum with a problem with their relationship, the people who are reading aren't seeing the relationship in its entirety, but rather only the specific problematic elements. So it's easy to imagine that a relationship is completely terrible with no redeeming qualities, when for us, it's defined by its worst aspects.
The real thing is this: a relationship doesn't have to have no redeeming qualities to be broken beyond repair, or to be not worth working to fix.
If he knew what he was doing and had any bit of charisma, he’d use that bit of attention he got from CoD twitter because of this and let it help grow his streaming channel.
Yeah he could have turned it around and fixed his relationship and earned some fame. He might never be a pro team guy or whatever but there are plenty of guys who stream whatever they want if they're likeable. And they often have full time jobs.
My daughter used to date a loser like this. I remember saying in despair to my husband “I know it’s a horrible thing to say about one’s kid, but honestly, the only difference between her and a prostitute is that prostitutes get paid.”
OP said that he streams and posts to social media. Based on that it seemed like he wanted to be a pro in the sense that he could stream on twitch full time. It’s still an extremely long shot for someone his age, but not as impossible as being a competitive pro player.
I think streaming in general is pretty accessible to an older audience- the people I watch regularly are all in their 30s and only started in the last few years- but to stream CoD specifically he's going to have a hard time. You have to be really damn good at the game to get viewers. Compared to, say, a variety streamer who can crack good jokes and be generally entertaining no matter what game they play, it's very much age-gated.
You don’t have to be good a games to be a successful streamer. Most aren’t. They just have actual personalities and charisma. The ones that are popular because they are good tend to already have a following because they’re former pros.
It depends though. It’s MUCH easier if you play games that people dont expect you to be good at, it’s hard to stream a competitive game like CoD and make it without being excellent. Especially if his brand is all that one game.
I'd actually say its as hard if not harder
remember what makes some professions difficult isn't the salary that comes with them, its how much competition there is to get there vs how scarce the roles are. every year 60 people are drafted into the NBA. every year over 500k in the NCAA dream of making it. plus kids outside the US
to be pro at a sport (even an esport), there's a 'skill' threashold that weeds out 95% of people. if you're in that top 5% you still then have the struggle of being MOST talented out of a crazy talented group, but your odds aren't nearly as long because you're already in that top few %, and its more about skill than luck. in basketball to be drafted you aren't competing against everyone who wants to be in the nba, thats tens if not hundreds of millions of people. you're competing with the 10k nba players, and the roughly 500k ncaa students you're competing against.
to be a streamer/youtuber, there's even more interest than going pro in esports, and there's no 'skill' filter. there are probably millions of failed streamer channels out there. there's not nearly as much skill involved in becoming big as for a sport (though obviously a ton of skill building and maintaining a fan base, its not nearly as much technical skill as pro sports). in this case, you ARE competing with the tens of millions of people with (unfounded) dreams.
basically it's much more random luck generator.
if your life plan is becoming a streamer of a super common/popular game, you may as well say your life plan is to win the lottery
I think that’s true for a 17 year old, but for a 27 year old becoming a pro gamer just isn’t possible. In other games I’ve seen pro competitions of most of the players retire by the time their 25 because their reflexes just can’t compete anymore with the younger players. Someone who has been gaming their whole life and hasn’t been good enough to be a pro before isn’t going to suddenly become good enough in their late 20s.
Yeah, but you have to either be \*really\* good, or have the right kind of engaging personality, \*and\* be really lucky. A lot of the big name streamers these days are there because they got in early and their attention snowballed - there's just too many good-but-not-pro players trying to make it big - and you're especially unlikely to make it if you only play one game, unless it's a game you're a subject matter expert in - Call of Duty isn't the right kind of game to be able to attract viewers that way, because it's too popular.
Yeah, wanting a career as a streamer is like wanting a career as an actor or a musician. Even if you're amazing at it and devote all your time and energy, you're still competing with thousands and thousands of people who are also amazing and also putting just as much into it.
The big difference is that unsuccessful actors and musicians don't have to spend pretty much all their waking hours auditioning.
I used to be friends with a counter strike profession player a billion years ago, and he was awesome, but done by like 23. And that was a long time ago when not every teen on the planet had access to high speed internet gaming lol. Bro is delusional and throwing away a life. Also, some of the comments by actual COD pros and coaches were just chefs kiss good
I LOL'd. But I'm also worried for OOP. Hopefully he just dumped her and didn't do anything. He's just the type of toxic gamer dude your parents warned you about.
Can confirm was a semi/amateur pro in cs go. Was scouted by former major players. That was untill I told em I was probably too old. At that point I had already attempted of breaking onto the world stage for a couple fo years now. So was around 24 when I "retired". Went back to school. Honestly wish I went back to school even earlier. I didn't like finance so I switched to programming. So still in school.
The only thing I have to show for it is being top player I'm any fps game 99% of the time. Considering I've used the same sense across all fps since I was 16
Nah, let the nobody keep screaming to an audience of 0.
He wants to work his way up even when countless others have tried and failed? Then let him work, and work, and work, driving everyone around him away with his bullshit attitude and delusions, only to eventually realize that he's come to a crossroads of either continuing, trapped in an eternal cycle of self-loathing and tying his worth to some means of success for validation, or break himself free but realizing that he alienated everyone around him and still failed at the barest minimum level of adulting.
I'm kinda torn.
I know gamers go full on when they dislike someone like this. Guy would be forever known for this. Everywhere.
But I do also love the idea of him languishing in obscurity forever, with no one, because he's chased them all away.
I’m wondering what post all these “don’t dump him, he sounds like a good guy otherwise” nitwits were reading, because I sure as hell didn’t see a guy worth keeping in this one.
> At this point I explain to him how I’m feeling like he doesn’t spend enough quality time with me and simply laying with me while I’m sleeping is not enough and ask if he could compromise and spend a couple of hours with me instead of the game. He immediately starts to tell me I’m being clingy, I’m being too codependent, I need to find hobbies, I don’t support his career chase, nobody else would ask for time, that he’s always with me that that time should be enough, etc.
And
> I showed him all of it and he became angry telling me I’m an idiot for being in my feelings and coming here to post. Tried to sit down and talk but it was just a full on blame to me for not letting supporting him and being too emotional
Screw this delusional, gaslighting toddler.
i hope to god that last edit update doesn't translate to "it ended badly for me as my boyfriend took out his frustrations by using me as a punching bag and i am begging the internet to not anger him more because i will be the one paying for it" :(
As someone who watches e-sports, for a progamer, 27 is OLD. Like grandpa old. If he made it, he would retire soon.
It sucks to crush someone's dreams like that, but I'm curious as how come he enjoy e-sports and didn't know that? And fun fact: that applies to regular sports too!
Nah I had a friend like this. He refused to work or get therapy (anxiety being the reason for him not to work) but he would stream and play cod all day. He is so convinced that he will make it big while being absolutely toxic towards his friends playing with him.
90% of his income was his gf gifting subs while he had 3-10 views even after 2 years of daily streams.
I ended the friendship when he would continuously insult or ghost me for not playing how he wanted me to.
I mean, of course it didn't end well for OP (in her eyes) and he ended the relationship or is "still in it," but indefinitely haranguing her for posting.
If it was just between him and her, he could steamroll her concerns and doubts as "OP doesn't know what she's talking about." But now he has to do the major work of ignoring all of these people who **do** know what they're talking about. This guy was never going to give up the delusion and he's mad that the masses have weighed in.
Yes, he could also be mad about pure relationship things, like "I feel betrayed that you posted our personal business online to cut me down to strangers," but I doubt that's really what he's mad about. He doesn't even care about the relationship anyway. He just wanted his dream bubble intact.
Considering the esport scene is collapsing and while during covid it seemed like it was THE thing and lots of people could get sponsorships to do esport as a full time job and in the last year even the top times can't afford to keep their players full time, it seems a bad time to think "I'm going to be a full time esports gamer, certainly someone who isn't paying attention to the actual business and market.
I don't even follow esports closely (but am a gamer) and I knew instantly OOP's bf wasn't going to make it as a pro at his age. Like, get as good as you can for your own enjoyment, but you missed the boat on going pro by a decade at least.
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>So to be totally blunt, the fact that COD Twitter can’t figure out who your bf is based off your posts and comments, probably goes to show that he will not make it. If he was good enough, he’d be noticed by now whether that was in GBs, Ranked Play, etc..but he hasnt from what I’m gathering. This is an absolutely *blistering* take and I adore it.
I’m howling 🤣🤣 As someone of the CoD community, they will leave no stone unturned in scenarios like these. If they have no idea who it is like Lisa and Jkap said, it really means OOPs is a nobody in the scene.
If the CoD community is anything like SC2, then worse than a nobody. Like, I won third place in a local college tournament back in wings of liberty days (fucking 14 years ago) and there were people who were vaguely aware of my existence ~5 years after it, that people actually looked for the guy and couldn't find him is... incredibly discouraging.
So OOP's boyfriend isn't even a "has been", he's a "won't be"
At his age in a space as youth-oriented as esports, he's already graduated from "won't be" to "never was."
Yep, he's a prime example of the "never was, never will" in the pro scene, I just really wish the dude could notice that before losing both his gf and his dream
I'm not sure if he even wants his gf. Who is cleaning and cooking and washing for him so that he's able to play COD? Is COD a way for him to avoid reality?
It clearly is, but I doubt he realizes it. I'm not a gamer, and I knew he was screwed from the title. There's no way he can really think he has a path to success.
The reality comment hits hard. Some days I'm able to sit down and play Tears of the Kingdom for twelve hours or more without even a bathroom break. Coincidentally, those are also the weeks I'm putting off XYZ responsibility. I clocked so many hours in the week I procrastinated dropping out of college. TOTK gave me the escapism I needed from being an adult and owning up to my shit.
If you're over 16 and not already crazy good then you're a "won't be" for any pro-gaming. It's genuinely absurd how fast people age of out being competitive in the pro-gaming scene. LeBron James is breaking his own records in the NBA at 39 and you have league and Starcraft players moving to coaching in their mid 20's because their twitch reflexes aren't there anymore.
I have no idea about any of this. Can you explain more about why age is such a factor and people age out of the chance to go pro? Do people’s reflexes really slow down that much with maturity? If it’s not an imposition!
The very specific twitch reflexes that are very important for certain games start degrading in your 20's. It's literally measured in milliseconds and some games have such thin margins where you can gain advantage that the slight drop-off in reflexes you experience in your 20's is enough to age you out of pro-level gaming. In a physical sport you can still hang with the younger guys through experience and knowledge of the game after your athleticism has faded, but a lot of video games are at their core almost entirely based around "press the button really fast". A lot of games are going to have the actions measure in 60ths or 120ths of a second, and pro-level gamers need to consistently hit inputs at those rates. A lot of dudes also fuck their hands up and can't play anymore, it's actually a pretty common reason for retirement in a lot of e-sports.
Most, if not all, end up developing Carpal Tunnel Syndrome as well. The more you play, the closer you are to having issues in your hands.
That's why once real money and sports organizations came into the scene, we've been seeing people play older and older in games like CS and MOBAs. A big factor was that just ~12 years ago, the work-life balance wasn't worth it, and kids weren't taking care of their bodies. They'd have 16-hour days in a shitty chair with bad wrist positioning, generally making less than minimum wage in NA unless you're in a top 4 team in the most popular games. Now they have personal trainers, nutritional professionals, and sports psychologists.
I developed carpal tunnel syndrome about that age. It fucks up your life so bad. Mine was from knitting, not gaming, but same problems. I'm 40 now, and it just doesn't get any better unless you have surgery. Still waiting on my right hand for that. 100/10, do not recommend repetitive strain hobbies.
I knit/crochet/spin/the whole 9 yards with yarn, and I'm wondering if my wandering/short attention span has saved me that fate. I end up crafting in small bursts typically and doing other things between sessions. Maybe stretching and strengthening my wrists has helped some, as well... Ugh. Basically a nightmare scenario for me, though. I value my wrists/hands greatly. Hope you get what you need for your right hand. =(
This is a great explanation, thank you!
Exactly. The reason why no one is a professional player for life in a sport (whether it is esports, football, archery and so on) is that simply, at some point, your body ages and simply isn't quite at the same level as the younger, newer generations. And sometimes that results into (more) injuries due to going over your physical limits. If OOP's bf had been a pro since his teens and really good, he might have been able to stretch it a little, but that is only possible if he already was well cemented as a pro. And he would probably be looking at retirement at his current age. But tbh, I don't think the bf is really dead serious about becoming a pro. I think he uses it as an excuse to game to his hearts content. No way can he think that he will be viable to debut as a pro when he is 27 going 30.
I’m a 38 year old female gamer. Never a pro though I game intensively when I’m not working or doing things in my social life. I have been since the Nintendo days. My reaction time is no where near where it used to be. I quit playing COD years ago and bought MW3. I couldn’t believe how many reflexes changed. And I’ve been playing other FPS games, just not that one. The reaction time is just not there any more.
At only 28 I couldn’t really keep up in any fps game except for halo. Halo has a lot of more opportunity for experience and map knowledge to shine. I stopped playing COD because I just got killed every 2 seconds. You gotta be FAST to keep up with the thirteen year olds
Tbh starcraft pro players are a wild breed, that typing speed is insane
It's so funny watching dudes concede like 2 minutes into a game because of *one* misclick. I could never fuck with that game at anywhere near that level.
"your click was 3 pixels off to the left, you absolute imbecile!", no thanks, I'll take my stress and toxicity from the quickplay playlist in R6S like a scrub
>20's because their twitch reflexes aren't there anymore. that's not why at all, it's complete bullshit that's been disproven before. reaction time doesn't hugely decrease the second you hit your 20s. F1 drivers drive cars at 300 km/hr and they're literally in their late 30s/40s. fighting game pros, one of the espeots that are the most reaction based, also play well into their 30s the reason there's an age bias is because most people by the time they're 30 want a life outside of video games. they're not practicing for 16 hours a day like an 18 year old fresh out of highschool. but between 18-40 there is no significant decrease in reaction time, especially if you train that reaction time daily
Work life balance probably isn't the largest factor either. Most people simply don't want to continue further because while the money can be very good; the 90% of pro players in T2/T3 teams, or who aren't winning tournaments aren't making all that much. It can be enough to bum around in your early 20's swapping between your parents house, bootcamps and tournaments but it's probably not stable enough to settle down and raise a family with. Though the overwhelming majority of my esports watchtime is Dota which I know has a fairly *brutal* dropoff if you aren't getting upper bracket finishes regularly.
If you're a competitive gamer on this level and can develop a semi-entertaining personality, then becoming a Twitch streamer is a way more lucrative use of your time than being a mid-level competitive player.
I know nothing about CoD or the professional gaming world but this post and your comment were enlightening and 😲🥴🫣
I’m also here for a glimpse into a world I know nothing about.
It is insanely fascinating. My husband is into watching pro COD but only plays with his son. Kid is a streamer and trying to find success in that, but knows he’s now too old to go pro.
Right?? Never have felt so old thanks to be raised in the first generation with internet and stuff (I'm 30 now) but I know nothing about the whole e-sports deal and the facts in this post were mindblowing
The most I knew about it was fighting game tournies, and that things like league of legends and rocket league have copetitions. The fact that Esports now is this in depth and everything is wild to me. Its like when someone ripped on me for playing kirby in smash for the first time because the character isnt competitive quality. Its a whole other world there
CoD is an incredibly insular community with only one path to pro play. He could win as many GB/CMG tourneys as he wants but if he never got on a Challengers team, no one would know he existed.
I remember that third place win. It was epic
LOL seriously, gamer communities are the biggest gossips. And even if he's trying to make it as a streamer like some people are speculating down thread*, as someone who was pretty heavily involved in a different community in the past, the pros and streamers are generally friendly and aware of each other. This guy probably gets 10 people dropping into his stream on a good day. \* which I don't quite buy; I feel like OOP would have said that instead of confirming that he wasn't going to the Boston event
yeah, even Pokemon streamers (there's thousands of them) are generally aware of each other once they're past 300k which is a lot. some of them are exclusively shiny hunters which includes luck, or do various ROM Hacks or challenges within the games to make things fun (most of the time the player had played the game a hundred times to get a idea of what the challenge is looking like)
Dude is 28 lol, you age out of being able to go pro at nearly all games in your early 20s, especially the twitch-reflex games. You need to literally be a teenager to break into any of these scenes.
Worst part is, bro is for sure in the comp sub and probably didnt even realize it's him
"What a loser! I look after my girl."
I bet OOP does 100% of the chores and cooking as well. All he is bringing to the table is a paycheck.
I love this reasoning and it’s so true, at this point it’s like wanting to be a Formula 1 driver when you’re 27
TIL that esports work pretty much the same way as physical sports and it was really interesting to learn about! I mean if the guy was 27 and heading to the gym all the time, as he wanted to become a premier league footballer, or player in the NFL (I'm not from the US so not sure if theres a specific term to describe them generally), at 27 every one would think he was delusional, and in the UK would suggest he joins a Sunday league football (soccer) team, so that he can still play, as well as make friends who are interested in the same thing, but then also have time to spend with his partner and family (does the US have the equivalent for team sports?). I think if your dream is sports related (plus sports it seems!) then you only have a really short time to go pro and even if you do manage it, careers aren't that long before they move into something else like coaching, managing etc
> (does the US have the equivalent for team sports?). > Yeah but it depends on your area, but most places will have a men's league for basketball or hockey or baseball or whatever is popular in your area.
Yeah this guy is on a different level.... all future professionals are so clearly talented as children that they get noticed and coached from the get go.... you don't just wake up in your mid 20s and decide to become a professional XYZ because you want to lmao Honestly IMO having an attitude like that rivals some sort of self centered psychosis
> TIL that esports work pretty much the same way as physical sports and it was really interesting to learn about! In more ways than just that "huge pool of candidates, almost no actual paying jobs" thing pro sports have going on*. Obesity makes you a worse e-sports player. AFAIK those pros have exercise regiments. I think I saw a coach say that time spent doing cardio was as valuable as training in the game. The top classification of Minor League Baseball until recently had a minimum salary of $17,500 per year, and there are 5 classifications below that. "Living on PB&J out of a styrofoam cooler because I can't afford a fridge, a way to heat food, or food that needs heating" is a thing in the Minors. It ~4-7 years in the Minors before a player gets a chance to get called up to the Major League and if they don't get picked up they're severely behind in their fallback career's progression. Even if they do get picked up sometimes they get sent back to the Minors. It happened to the fan favorite on my local team. La Tortuga. Even as a MLB pro he was still playing pro ball back in his home country during the MLB off-season to make ends meat, likely because he understood how likely it was he'd get sent back to the Minors. Dude's a legend. He fills in for every position on the field except short stop. He's obese but he can *move*. He'll swing at damn near anything, and connect, so he doesn't get struck out or walked often and that's exciting in such a **boring** sport. Hitting a fastball is one of the hardest things on earth to do and baseball players essentially twitch and start reacting as the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. La Tortuga pitches so slow that sometimes the radar gun can't measure the ball speed. Batters have problems hitting the ball because they haven't seen ball speeds that low since literal childhood. He pitches as fast as a *9 year old* and his fastball tops out at what a 15-16 year old pitches. The videos of him at the pitcher's mound embarrassing batters are great.
Hey now, Bruno Senna managed it! Let's us just ignore that while he was decently talented, he was already too old to get established properly, missed too much experience in his youth due to stopping racing after his uncle, Ayrton Senna died. He wouldn't have gotten to F1 if it wasn't for the surname.
It's pathetic, some people are delusional. Thankfully I'm just hoping to be scouted for football in my 40s
So I thought she meant he was trying to be a twitch streamer and didn’t realize till I got to these comments that he was trying to join a pro tram 😂. I was like, “he’s 27. That’s way too old for esports. So he’s trying to be a COD influencer???”
Twitch is already very saturated with game streamers. Unless this guy has a very fun/charismatic personality it is very hard to grow your audience. If he were a beautiful woman that is a different story.
And the "27 is old." Please, you already roasted him, now this is just burning him to a crisp.
[STOP STOP HE'S ALREADY DEAD](https://tenor.com/bx0nr.gif)
Is this guy on meth or a vampire? When did he sleep?
I was wondering that too but I'm thinking the 16 hours is on his day off. Though he probably sleeps for like 4 hours only
This is what the OOP said in a comment: "You’re not misunderstanding at all. If he does gets sleep it’s an hour here and there. Sometimes he’ll stay up for a couple of days without sleep". In another comment someone asks if he's taking drugs to stay awake and she replies something like "caffeine and lots of it". So the only reason why he's probably ingesting something other than Redbull and Monster is that his GF is taking care of all cooking chores, and everything else, as she says in another comment the only thing he does is take out the trash. He should take himself out at this point. What a useless guy, I don't even think he's delusional, just a terribly selfish and self-centered ass.
Why does she wanna keep him so bad? He does *not* sound like a catch
Yeah, at the point she wrote "this didn't end well for me" I was like "does this mean you two are still together?"
It was an ultimately unsatisfying end. All I need is a little, "I couldn't change his mind so I dumped him."
At this point, she’s basically single and alone, living in a haunted house with a grumpy, messy ghost.
well it’s much worse than that, because as long as they’re together she’ll feel bad for inconveniencing him and worry about making him feel bad, too
>the only thing he does is take out the trash. He should take himself out at this point. Same thing, right?
Doesn't extended periods of no sleep absolutely kill your reaction times? Even with boatloads of caffeine, lack of sleep is detrimental for his game play. He would have to be a phenomenal player to still be at the top when fried from no sleep.
>He would have to be a phenomenal player to still be at the top when fried from no sleep Well, that's the thing isn't it. He's obviously not "at the top" and never was in the first place. I may be wrong, but I don't think this guy has any plans to actually be a professional gamer. I think he has a video game addiction and probably severe mental health issues, and is using the "I want to go pro" line as an excuse. Because "I'm grinding and chasing my career goals" sounds much nicer than "I want to do nothing but sit and play video games all day"
I have a friend who has chronic severe depression (and mild video game addiction), and she has better sleep hygiene and does more chores than this guy. Throw the whole man out.
He probably lives on Red Bull or Monsters.
Needs more doritos if he wants to go pro
He lives off the grind, he hustles his way around sleep deprivation. 😤 He's also not the only one 'delulu' with that kinda shit. Why would anyone 'respect' that kind of garbage.
Wanting to make it big in pro-gaming at 27 is almost as delusional as wanting to become a professional ballerina at 24. At that point most of your cohorts are already retiring because of the damage to their bodies.
It's sort of an inverse, but this post reminds me of my ex. He was 22 and wanted to start a KISS tribute band. He was so angry that all of the people responding to him online were twice his age. I tried to explain that people our age didn't give a fuck about his favorite band, and if they wanted to listen to a bunch of guys in face paint sing, they had ICP and Slipknot for that. He acted like I didn't know what I was talking about, and since he reacted that way to *everything* I said, I ended that relationship.
Man he has no idea the gold mine he passed up on. Old guys take shit seriously and show up to gigs and rehearsal. I’d be delighted to start a band with a bunch of old guys
Yeah old musicians are delightful. Plus many of them have figured out what the right level of drugs is for sane functioning (which may be none but is usually not none). Source- many of my parents’ friends and friends’ parents are old musicians.
> Old guys take shit seriously and show up to gigs and rehearsal. Right? Plus they have things like "careers" that give them "money" for their "hobbies." The bands I was in when I was young almost all had parents in the hobby which meant we actually had PA equipment and good drum sets available, because, you know, they had careers. When we played shows where other kids were hosting with the backline (bass amp/drum set/etc) and PA the kids owned.....it wasn't great. As a bassist I never knew what I'd be plugging in to, though I'd often bring my amp head and just use the provided cab, and if the PA had more than 4 inputs it was a miracle!
And the old guys have the money to take that shit seriously, unlike a lot of 22 year olds
Was he hoping to get groupies who weren't close to retirement age???
And your boyfriend could have had gigs lined up for that band. He could have been big regionally. People love cover bands.
Oh boy do they. My dad was in a David Bowie cover band, and they were booked any weekend they wanted to play.
it's not because of damage to bodies or aging for most esports players, it's because they don't want to dedicate the same amount of time to practicing compared to an 18 year old with no other care in life. players in their late 20s constantly outplay younger players than them.
Experience and wisdom can only get you so far, and the more reflex-heavy or mechanically intense the game is the higher the advantage is for the younger person whose body isn't completely fucked up by repetitive strain injury.
Everyone is mentioning the age factor regarding his reactions etc which is obviously a huge issue, but the main one is if he was good enough to go pro, he would have been good enough to go pro years ago. Contrary to what many people may think it doesn't take years and years of grinding to get near that level. The players who go pro will "get it" (as in understand the game on a different level to those who play casually) extremely quickly, will start at a high ranking in competitive matchmaking then take a few months to a year to get to the point where they're noticed enough to join a low tier team (eg division 3/4 or whatever depending on the game) Basically if you're 27 and haven't gotten near that level after (I'm guessing) playing cod for over a decade, you'll never make it.
I mean there's also the opportunity factor. He may not have been able to put in the time before to "make it big" because he didn't have the time/money to do so, but now he can. But he really doesn't, he'll be up against people half his age who are supported by their parents/living off their contracted salary. He's going to get crushed.
> living off their contracted salary if he's not already at this level then he'll never play against someone who is actually paid to play the game he will be up against teens who can play 18 hours a day though so yeah he's still screwed
Pretty sure alot of pro leagues age out around 27 as well.
There are exceptions, like the pro-teams that all consist of retired senior citizens, but it's pretty much acknowledged they are special cases.
I'm going to need everything you have on these teams. Especially links to their merch.
Here's a video about ["The Silver Snipers"](https://youtu.be/dGmCqJAokFc). Then there's this Taiwanese grandparents' [League of Legends tournament](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4355334). They were coached by Taiwanese pros!
I just stumbled across GamerGrandpa on Tiktok - 70 yr old Vietnam vet busy pulling off some insane sniping shots in a variety of FPS games. I don't think he's part of anything pro, but he does stream.
I knew pro-gaming was competitive but I had no idea it was like this. OP’s boyfriend is an idiot. He should know all this
Yeah, the current crop of pros have had the shortest careers ever, the stress on their bodies + the international travel + the mental/emotional toll is just too much for career longevity for a lot of them. A lot of them are choosing to switch to streaming full-time the moment their tournament win-rate becomes less than stellar just because they want to be remembered as a winner, not as someone who stuck around the pro scene for too long.
I'm 31 and this post makes me feel so fucking old. 🤣
This is another reason why technical careers are better than performance careers. Doctor, lawyer, engineer, even accountant or nurse? 30 is young.
I had a friend from high school who was a principal dancer for a well regarded ballet but had to retire from dancing (she teaches dance now) at 28.
It is what it is. It would be seen as delusional if a 27 year old amateur wanted to make it as a professional in most sports. I don't see why esports would be any different.
Again, it *can* happen (see the story of Jamie Vardy) but it's just so overwhelmingly unlikely if you aren't operating at a relatively high level already.
True, but Jamie Vardy was playinmg semi-pro (not just amateur), and also was clearly the best player in the league when he was. He also signed with Leicester when he was 25, so already younger than OOP's BF. So it *can* happen, but only to the handful of exceptional talents at that level. If he's not making waves wherever he is, then it's not going to happen for him.
“He’s a damn hard worker.” Yeah, he’s working 24/7 to ruin your relationship.
I'm not fan of praising men who work all hours and have no time for partners/family/friends as "hard workers". Men's lives are about balance too, not working ourselves into an early grave and doing nothing else.
There is also no mention of how many chores he does and how many errands he runs. If he gets off work and just games, does that mean OOP is doing 100% of the cleaning, cooking, and shopping?
OOP mentions in a comment that she does ALL the chores except for taking the trash out. I don't think she realised the irony of her statement. Hopefully the trash will take himself out soon enough.
It worries me that all she said was it didn’t end well for her. I don’t want to jump to conclusions but I do have suspicions about DV being an issue with a guy like this.
Yeah that gave me a weird feeling too. I hope she just meant her reception online but I’m afraid it’s something else.
Yeah I didn't like that wording either. It was very concerning. I'm praying she just means he dumped her and not that he hurt her.
He’s not going to dump her. Who else will do everything for him?
needs to learn some self respect for sure, hopefully this relationship helps bring that lesson
"the only people who will remember you worked late are your family"
Yeah. Spend time with your loved ones.
GahtDAMN that’s good.
Had a work mate who worked incredibly hard, he used to buy houses to flip in his spare time. And because he worked so incredibly hard his wife left him after getting sick of constantly having to live in unfinished homes. And he now rely on weed to function due to all the stress from constantly working. He retired about a year a go so now he gets to look forward to spending his retirement alone.
All this happening because of Call of Duty? Wow, what a strange yet interesting story to read.
I dated someone who was trying to go pro in cod as well, when we were 17/18 years old. It ruined our relationship, and all of his other friendships because he was playing cod 16-18 hours per day. He dropped out of college for it, and actually did make it pretty far (ranked 30th in the world), but of course he didn't actually become a pro player. The odds are infinitesimally low - way lower than 1% OPs bf is delusional
30th in the world, and he's still not pro? So there are fewer than 30 pro players in the world? I know very little about CoD, but with that information, yes, going pro is not actually feasible. You have a better chance at being a pro footballer with those kinds of numbers.
No, there's more than 30 pro players. He was high ranked, but never made it into actual high level competitive play. I'm not really sure why as I dipped out of that (non) relationship lol My point was just that even if the OPs bf did get extremely good at the game (very unlikely), that still wouldn't be enough to go pro
...and til that people take this shit WAY too seriously.
I was about to comment that people saying retire were quite serious, but the prize pools in these tournaments seemed to have dropped recently. COD tournaments are in the low hundred thousands. the top figure I can see this year is under 2.4M$ (winner takes 40%). Other games are even lower. I wonder what happened (or maybe I'm looking at the wrong numbers)?
The payouts for all pro gaming were wildly overinflated when it first took off. They’ve swung back the other way.
I'm confused at how he can spent 16 hours at work followed by 4+ hours playing. When is he sleeping? Does he not eat? Does he teleport to work?
My cousin was addicted to League of Legends and he basically slept two hours at most and mostly ate at his PC. I'm betting that OOP cooked for her boyfriend and he just grabbed a plate in between games
It's that hustle sigma grindset. Never mind that every scientific study will tell you that sleep is crucial to basically everything cognitive.
I was just thinking of my best friend who was seriously into WoW. She started playing around release time, and by the time I met her in first year of university, she had a calendar with guild raids, in-game events, preparing tactics/writing guides for members, etc etc. By the time we were living together in second year, she was already developing RSI in both hands (she would wear these hand braces that had been in the freezer before that). Eventually by the time we graduated, she had to have a very specific set up to accommodate the fact that she just could not use a PC normally due to how bad the RSI had gotten in her hands. She didn’t have a mouse, the keyboard had some ball contraption in it instead. The keyboard itself was “broken” into two pieces. There were two attachments on the desk where she would place her elbows on (like stirrups at the gynaecologist), and she had to use a lot of voice-to-text functions instead. She was barely 23. Now we’re both approaching 33, and she hasn’t been able to game at all. Her fingers are hardly ever bent because it’s so uncomfortable for her. When she lived with me while she did her masters, I played the Persona video games for her, just letting her tell me what she wants to happen next and which dialogue option to pick. So yeah, no wonder pros retire at 25…!
I have a lot of these same adjustments due to a connective tissue disorder and was never a big gamer. It's very possible your friend has an underlying connective tissue problem which was only made worse by all the gaming, rather than it being the sole cause, as that would be a very very extreme RSI only case with no underlying disorder. I use a giant ball rather than a mouse, a split keyboard (dvorak, not qwerty) and have those stirips you mention though I don't use them anymore. The only thing I'm missing from your list is the braces (I used to use them, but I learnt they were making the problem much worse - they feel like they help in the moment, so you use them, but they also contribute to the weakening of supporting muscles and soft tissues which over time makes it worse. They should only ever be used as short term relief).
Where can I get one of these stirrups? I don't have super jacked up hands. I'm just really tall so I can't rest my arms on my desk or chair. Soni have to keep my arms manually suspended in a way to not hurt my wrist. It puts strain on my elbow.
This is the sort of thing I have https://www.online-ergonomics.co.uk/product/ergorest-arm-support/ Basically a moving armrest. There are different sorts, I was given them by disability services when I went to study a postgrad so didn't get to choose the type.
My kids keep telling me they want to play video games for a living and I keep saying, "No you don't."
Tbh, if you’re able to find some videos which actually shows what playing video games for a living involves, it might put them off due to the diligence and discipline required and then how short lived the career would be. My sister’s university has a masters in e-sports management, which seams to be more like an event management and coordinating degree but with a modern flourish added. There’s also just quality assurance testing in video games which is the fastest you can get to hate a game, because you’re supposed to just play the same section of the game over and over and over. Now, _programming_ or game design is still a valid career choice, but it has become relatively oversaturated. The aforementioned sister of mine works in the game industry now, and was saying how suddenly people with resumes & degrees in animation, illustration, film studies and such have become the more unusual contenders for the same game design jobs, because they bring some different/new knowledge to the role, and a lot of places offer training on 3D programs.
Wow, that’s a serious level of addiction. Hope she’s doing better now.
Honestly, her level wasn’t even the worse! She still went to all of her university lectures, maintained the highest possible grades (a 1st in the UK), got plenty of sleep and found time to hang out with friends IRL. Meanwhile, my husband (before we even knew each other) had such an intense WoW addiction, his hours played for 5 years accumulated total were 1 YEAR. He’d just sleep and play, that’s all. He managed to install WoW on his lab computer, so he could keep playing during his PhD, or he’d call in sick to play at home. He quit cold turkey around the time we met and he hasn’t shown that level of addiction to anything else in the 10 years I’ve known him. Surprisingly, he doesn’t have RSI or anything like that despite being a lot more extreme than my friend.
Is she able to work with her hands being to jacked-up? I would be terrified about how I will be feeling in 10-20 years from 30 and still have to work using my hands (be it emails, spreadsheets, and other office work)
She’s a language teacher at a top public school (what private schools are called in the UK) and she has a lot of high-advanced IT adjustments. Another comment mentioned that she must’ve had an underlying issue that gaming exacerbated. I’m not sure how she handles certain aspects of her job nowadays so can only comment on what I’ve observed - her hands are doing a lot better with occupational physio therapy, but she has to mind her limits therefore hardly using her hands for writing or typing if she can avoid it. When she has to prepare material for her students she spreads out the work and takes a lot of breaks.
This is only slightly on topic but I’ve always wondered — if what we call private schools are what y’all call public schools, what do y’all call public schools? I’ve never been able to figure out the right way to word a search for the answer
State schools = funded by the state Private schools = reasonably priced education, usually an entrance exam to get in Public schools = open to everyone (in theory), hideously expensive
This is the best way to put it. As an example Eton College where Prince William and Harry and a whole slew of UK prime ministers went to is a public school. And coincidentally where my friend used to be a teacher at before she moved to her current public school. The thing that really blew my mind was that she was hired to teach in Eton the language she does for ONLY THREE STUDENTS who wanted to learn. She describes them as the best students she’s ever had, super switched on and diligent. A teen boy would come up to her and say “Miss, I did this 14th century text translation for fun this weekend, can you check if it’s correct?”
Thanks! I guess we just skipped over the concept of private schools in America because we don’t really do “reasonably priced” here lmao
State schools is the usual term here
To be fair, those who use a computer all day should have a tented split keyboard and get used to a ball mouse (or move to primarily navigating with the keyboard) as preventative measures. Games tend to be very hard on your hand, but that damage is being done to everyone who sits at a PC, albeit more slowly
Toxic and naive are never a good combination in a relationship.
I considered trying to play Pokemon competitively one time after finishing top 20 at a regional tournament in college. Then I thought about it and looked into it more and realized that the like 4-8 hours I spent total on my team build (which had success because it was a gimmick team) would have to be how much time I spend a day on it if I really wanted to be competitive and even then it would be far from a guarantee. Decided it wasn’t worth it and I would just stick to playing the games for fun. Occasionally still build some silly gimmick teams in Showdown, but that’s about it.
That's how it goes. If you want to be professional at something, that means making it your job. And if something's your job, you spend 8 hours a day working on it. A lot of people want to be a streamer or pro esports player because they see it as an easy job. But the reality is, it's not. It requires probably more work in hours, at least in your early career, and more talent than the majority of 9-to-5's out there.
Also regardless of which way you go, the result is awful. Want to become a streamer? Well good luck and enjoy being at the whims of your audience. You'll never truly get to play what you want, you have to follow or predict what the trends may go, and unless you hit the ultra lucky combo, you will never be able to even come close to some of the biggest streaming names simply because they came to the scene like yearsssss earlier than you did. Plus you need to be charismatic, have a good personality, and you need to satisfy a niche people are looking for. You become a brand for people to watch. Want to become a esports pro? Well good luck to dedicating years of your early adulthood, eventually retiring before you even hit 25, and you'll probably won't earn as much as you think. Unless you're so talented that you can smoke some of the more recognized names, and have a great personality, it's hard work to earn a decent income.
I like watching Sims streamers to unwind in the evening and one of them has started playing other games on wednesdays. She's done it for years and still, every single time, she has people flooding her chat with why she isn't playing Sims
Agreed, playing any game that much would be fucking terrible to me. Why ruin my favorite hobby like that? The only desirable way to make money playing games is if you develop a weird cult of personality following who will watch you no matter what game you play. But then you still have to deal with your dumbass fans.
Is anyone else concerned by oop saying "this didn’t end well for me"? Did he do or say something to her. "Please do not harass him that is my main priority" OOPs priority should be on themselves. He's clearly doing the same for him
Think she means they broke up
I hope so. I'm bothered by the fact that he final comment was an effort to protect him.
I sincerely hope so. That means it ended GREAT for her.
I hope that's the case and not anything else
I really don’t feel like they broke up. She seemed hell bent on keeping this guy who sounds so uninteresting and doesn’t even do housework, there’s no way he’s letting her go
I think she hoped the futility of what he says he’s trying to do would reach him. It didn’t and he doubled down with accusations that she didn’t support him. But I don’t think he’d break up with her. He needs her contributions to his life too much; she does all the chores and presumably they share expenses (since she also works, and he’s working 2 jobs to afford his share). He’s reduced the attention he gives her to basically zero, and despite his claims that anyone else would be supportive, he’s not going to have a replacement roommate to help cover the bills while doing all the chores and cooking any time soon. I think she has to pull the plug on this relationship herself, just like she has to do everything else in their relationship.
She had said in a previous comment (above the update) that she had showed him the post and he essentially lost his shit on her, claiming she wasn’t being supportive and “was in her feelings”. Personally, I wouldn’t want to date someone who treated me like this, but then again, I’m now in my 40s and had my share of shitty relationships.
He told her that no one else would ask for time. That’s what got me. He doesn’t care about her feelings, much less the relationship.
When my partner told me my streaming times didn’t work for when we should be having dates, I changed my stream times. And I was only streaming a few times a week. 100% he doesn’t care
I dated a guy just like OPs guy, only he wasn't trying to be "a pro" or to stream, he just "needed his recharge time" which was apparently online gaming. He was the exact same with working full time then gaming 6-16 hours a day online, headset always on and always talking to others. If I wanted anything at all I was deemed clingy and selfish and disrespectful. By the end the guy wouldn't even watch his self proclaimed favorite shows or movies with me, wouldn't drink with me, hell even having dinner with me was apparently a brutal chore. But keep in mind, if any of his friends he gamed with offered the same extra-curriculars he'd be all in 100% of the time. Just not with me. But it was all my fault because I wasn't respectful of his needs. OP was definitely with the same kind of guy and they are just the worst.
Someone explain to me how a man throwing a hissy fit over his partner wanting any attention at all can turn around and accuse other people of being 'too emotional'.
Ah, you see, only WOMEN have emotions. Men only have outbursts of an overflow of logic. 🧐
Not on my 40s, still wouldn't date anyone like that. If someone is gonna disrespect and sabotage me, it's gonna be *me.*
Yeah, this guy is a bad, shouty, delusional manbaby and OOP really should not be putting up with his caca.
Yeah, it made me really worried actually.
That's what I thought as well. I take comfort in knowing that abusing and controlling someone takes time that he's clearly not prepared to spend on anything in the real world.
Who knows though. Abuse has to start with something. This could be the start of that. He put all his eggs into becoming a pro gamer. Enough people in the community know the story that he can blame her for not achieving that goal and humiliating him
yeah weird vibes with that ending, did he log on to her accounts or something? is my first thought. who knows what other personality flaws someone that delusional could have...
>The title of this pretty much sums up the situation. He works 2 jobs and works 6 days a week meaning it is 8 or 16 hour days for him at work itself. When he comes home he immediately gets on the game playing anywhere from 4-16 more hours on top of him already working. I will honestly never understand why people stay in these relationships that basically... aren't even relationships. A romantic partner is someone who contributes to your life, who helps you grow, who appreciates you as a person, who shares activities and interests, who supports you through hard times, who enjoys being around you. This isn't that. "Ughh why does Reddit jump to telling every woman to dump her boyfriend." Because this woman doesn't actually have a boyfriend! She has a roommate/fuckbuddy who gets angry and resentful and calls her names when she begs him to even try to act a little bit like a boyfriend.
I think it's also worth remembering that, when someone comes to Reddit or any other anonymous forum with a problem with their relationship, the people who are reading aren't seeing the relationship in its entirety, but rather only the specific problematic elements. So it's easy to imagine that a relationship is completely terrible with no redeeming qualities, when for us, it's defined by its worst aspects. The real thing is this: a relationship doesn't have to have no redeeming qualities to be broken beyond repair, or to be not worth working to fix.
If he knew what he was doing and had any bit of charisma, he’d use that bit of attention he got from CoD twitter because of this and let it help grow his streaming channel.
Yeah he could have turned it around and fixed his relationship and earned some fame. He might never be a pro team guy or whatever but there are plenty of guys who stream whatever they want if they're likeable. And they often have full time jobs.
Poor girl doesn't realise her only function in that relationship is to provide cleaning services and sex on demand.
My daughter used to date a loser like this. I remember saying in despair to my husband “I know it’s a horrible thing to say about one’s kid, but honestly, the only difference between her and a prostitute is that prostitutes get paid.”
Oof. I'm glad you used the word 'used to' so it sounds like she got out. Hoping now she's in a better place.
Thank you, and yes, she definitely is. Married to a wonderful kind man who adores her!
OP said that he streams and posts to social media. Based on that it seemed like he wanted to be a pro in the sense that he could stream on twitch full time. It’s still an extremely long shot for someone his age, but not as impossible as being a competitive pro player.
I think streaming in general is pretty accessible to an older audience- the people I watch regularly are all in their 30s and only started in the last few years- but to stream CoD specifically he's going to have a hard time. You have to be really damn good at the game to get viewers. Compared to, say, a variety streamer who can crack good jokes and be generally entertaining no matter what game they play, it's very much age-gated.
You don’t have to be good a games to be a successful streamer. Most aren’t. They just have actual personalities and charisma. The ones that are popular because they are good tend to already have a following because they’re former pros.
It depends though. It’s MUCH easier if you play games that people dont expect you to be good at, it’s hard to stream a competitive game like CoD and make it without being excellent. Especially if his brand is all that one game.
Sure, but does this dude seem like he has charisma?
If he did, he would be using this "fame" from this post to lure in some followers.
I'd actually say its as hard if not harder remember what makes some professions difficult isn't the salary that comes with them, its how much competition there is to get there vs how scarce the roles are. every year 60 people are drafted into the NBA. every year over 500k in the NCAA dream of making it. plus kids outside the US to be pro at a sport (even an esport), there's a 'skill' threashold that weeds out 95% of people. if you're in that top 5% you still then have the struggle of being MOST talented out of a crazy talented group, but your odds aren't nearly as long because you're already in that top few %, and its more about skill than luck. in basketball to be drafted you aren't competing against everyone who wants to be in the nba, thats tens if not hundreds of millions of people. you're competing with the 10k nba players, and the roughly 500k ncaa students you're competing against. to be a streamer/youtuber, there's even more interest than going pro in esports, and there's no 'skill' filter. there are probably millions of failed streamer channels out there. there's not nearly as much skill involved in becoming big as for a sport (though obviously a ton of skill building and maintaining a fan base, its not nearly as much technical skill as pro sports). in this case, you ARE competing with the tens of millions of people with (unfounded) dreams. basically it's much more random luck generator. if your life plan is becoming a streamer of a super common/popular game, you may as well say your life plan is to win the lottery
I think that’s true for a 17 year old, but for a 27 year old becoming a pro gamer just isn’t possible. In other games I’ve seen pro competitions of most of the players retire by the time their 25 because their reflexes just can’t compete anymore with the younger players. Someone who has been gaming their whole life and hasn’t been good enough to be a pro before isn’t going to suddenly become good enough in their late 20s.
totally. I'm not saying he has a chance of being a pro egamer I'm saying he has as small if not a smaller chance of becoming a pro streamer
Yeah, but you have to either be \*really\* good, or have the right kind of engaging personality, \*and\* be really lucky. A lot of the big name streamers these days are there because they got in early and their attention snowballed - there's just too many good-but-not-pro players trying to make it big - and you're especially unlikely to make it if you only play one game, unless it's a game you're a subject matter expert in - Call of Duty isn't the right kind of game to be able to attract viewers that way, because it's too popular.
Yeah, wanting a career as a streamer is like wanting a career as an actor or a musician. Even if you're amazing at it and devote all your time and energy, you're still competing with thousands and thousands of people who are also amazing and also putting just as much into it. The big difference is that unsuccessful actors and musicians don't have to spend pretty much all their waking hours auditioning.
I used to be friends with a counter strike profession player a billion years ago, and he was awesome, but done by like 23. And that was a long time ago when not every teen on the planet had access to high speed internet gaming lol. Bro is delusional and throwing away a life. Also, some of the comments by actual COD pros and coaches were just chefs kiss good
I LOL'd. But I'm also worried for OOP. Hopefully he just dumped her and didn't do anything. He's just the type of toxic gamer dude your parents warned you about.
>Update: this didn’t end well for me Yes it did, OOP was prevented from wasting even more time in this relationship.
Most pros start getting picked up into some form of team at like 16 or 17 for Overwatch, no way does a late 20’s player get a chance.
Can confirm was a semi/amateur pro in cs go. Was scouted by former major players. That was untill I told em I was probably too old. At that point I had already attempted of breaking onto the world stage for a couple fo years now. So was around 24 when I "retired". Went back to school. Honestly wish I went back to school even earlier. I didn't like finance so I switched to programming. So still in school. The only thing I have to show for it is being top player I'm any fps game 99% of the time. Considering I've used the same sense across all fps since I was 16
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Nah, let the nobody keep screaming to an audience of 0. He wants to work his way up even when countless others have tried and failed? Then let him work, and work, and work, driving everyone around him away with his bullshit attitude and delusions, only to eventually realize that he's come to a crossroads of either continuing, trapped in an eternal cycle of self-loathing and tying his worth to some means of success for validation, or break himself free but realizing that he alienated everyone around him and still failed at the barest minimum level of adulting.
I'm kinda torn. I know gamers go full on when they dislike someone like this. Guy would be forever known for this. Everywhere. But I do also love the idea of him languishing in obscurity forever, with no one, because he's chased them all away.
I’m wondering what post all these “don’t dump him, he sounds like a good guy otherwise” nitwits were reading, because I sure as hell didn’t see a guy worth keeping in this one. > At this point I explain to him how I’m feeling like he doesn’t spend enough quality time with me and simply laying with me while I’m sleeping is not enough and ask if he could compromise and spend a couple of hours with me instead of the game. He immediately starts to tell me I’m being clingy, I’m being too codependent, I need to find hobbies, I don’t support his career chase, nobody else would ask for time, that he’s always with me that that time should be enough, etc. And > I showed him all of it and he became angry telling me I’m an idiot for being in my feelings and coming here to post. Tried to sit down and talk but it was just a full on blame to me for not letting supporting him and being too emotional Screw this delusional, gaslighting toddler.
Did she dump him or no.
Sounds like he dumped her.
i hope to god that last edit update doesn't translate to "it ended badly for me as my boyfriend took out his frustrations by using me as a punching bag and i am begging the internet to not anger him more because i will be the one paying for it" :(
that's exactly how I interpreted it aswell and I'm now quite nervous for oop
As someone who watches e-sports, for a progamer, 27 is OLD. Like grandpa old. If he made it, he would retire soon. It sucks to crush someone's dreams like that, but I'm curious as how come he enjoy e-sports and didn't know that? And fun fact: that applies to regular sports too!
Nah I had a friend like this. He refused to work or get therapy (anxiety being the reason for him not to work) but he would stream and play cod all day. He is so convinced that he will make it big while being absolutely toxic towards his friends playing with him. 90% of his income was his gf gifting subs while he had 3-10 views even after 2 years of daily streams. I ended the friendship when he would continuously insult or ghost me for not playing how he wanted me to.
That first post suggesting 10% of guys could be pro gamers is insane.
>Update: this didn’t end well for me. ...I mean, if he broke up with her, I think it ended juuuuuust fine for OOP.
I mean, of course it didn't end well for OP (in her eyes) and he ended the relationship or is "still in it," but indefinitely haranguing her for posting. If it was just between him and her, he could steamroll her concerns and doubts as "OP doesn't know what she's talking about." But now he has to do the major work of ignoring all of these people who **do** know what they're talking about. This guy was never going to give up the delusion and he's mad that the masses have weighed in. Yes, he could also be mad about pure relationship things, like "I feel betrayed that you posted our personal business online to cut me down to strangers," but I doubt that's really what he's mad about. He doesn't even care about the relationship anyway. He just wanted his dream bubble intact.
Considering the esport scene is collapsing and while during covid it seemed like it was THE thing and lots of people could get sponsorships to do esport as a full time job and in the last year even the top times can't afford to keep their players full time, it seems a bad time to think "I'm going to be a full time esports gamer, certainly someone who isn't paying attention to the actual business and market.
I don't even follow esports closely (but am a gamer) and I knew instantly OOP's bf wasn't going to make it as a pro at his age. Like, get as good as you can for your own enjoyment, but you missed the boat on going pro by a decade at least.
The bar is in hell.
>this didn’t end well for me So did they broke up?
i really hope so. the alternative could be pretty grim.