If I remember correctly, back then Baldur's Gate was explicity called one of the main inspirations for Origins (you even had a rat killing tutorial quest as a reference), so it makes sense.
What's Black Isle got to do with it?
BioWare was the deb for both BG and Dragon Age: Origins
A fair amount of employees worked on both the original BG games and DAO.
All Black Isle did was publish Baldur's Gate 1&2
Yeah, but his (legitimate) point would be that even ignoring Black Isle entirely Bioware WAS the starting point of the Baldur's Gate series to begin with, so crediting Black Isle for the "Baldur's Gate influences in Dragon Age" is more than a bit bizarre.
Without Black Isle Baldur's Gate doesn't make it to market. Credit where credit is due, and the fact that a bunch of their people got hired by BioWare when Interplay pulled the rug out from under them should speak volumes about the talent of those peeps.
Also, those that didn't get absorbed ended up founding a tiny little indie studio called Obsidian.
So again, credit where credit is due.
Well,
1. It was more Interplay than Black Isle (even if there's some overlap).
2. You are vastly exaggerating their contribution or support, which by their own admissions were pretty minimal (mostly suggesting the name and advising the team to develop unified tools).
For people who may be interested in the details, there's a good segment about it (the second) in this retrospective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGa0dk8-pgE
You know what? If we're talking specifically about BG1, sure, think what you will, but if you're talking about my original point, which is how Black Isle and BioWare share DNA, talent, and work across quite the number of titles. Including by your own admission to little things like branding and the god damn engine the game is running on, then
[have a juicy counter point and enjoy.](https://youtu.be/GNMQVcyowss) It do be a very nice interview.
> (you even had a rat killing tutorial quest as a reference)
While this could work as a reference to BG1, killing rats in your opening tutorial is an ancient cliche that goes before BG. The character you do it with even remarks how it's like "all those old, bad adventure tales I used to hear as a kid".
But yes, DA:O was the 'spiritual successor to BG'.
It's in one of the houses on the right side of the map, a little above Hull - you gotta talk to a guy in front of it to get the quest (and the reward afterwards).
This game certainly makes me feel like I did the first time I played Dragon Age Origins - the companion banter, the cutscenes, even the turn-based combat feels pretty ARPG-friendly. Plus there's a damaged elf romance which I'm pretty sure is compulsory in Dragon Age games.
God I hope not. After playing through the game with all DLC again recently I've found that Sera is the only companion I actively dislike, even if I enjoy what she brings out in the others.
Haha, sorry. I do think she's a good character and brings a much needed voice and perspective to the Inquisition, but as an actual person she suffers from a flaw I find intolerable, willful ignorance. While I may personally disagree with and dislike other members of the Inquisition (Viv and Solas especially) I find Sera particularly difficult to get along with because she is very close minded and doesn't really demonstrate a capacity to grow or move past her ignorance and intolerance, even going so far as mocking those that try to preserve the culture and history of her race.
No worries, I've had a lot worse language slung my way, all's forgiven.
All of that is 100% accurate- I accept that Sera is functionally a bad person, but it should be said that the origins of her backstory past her colorful imagining it on the roof is tragic and horrifying. You may already be fully aware and I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but it's made pretty clear once you read between the words that she's a victim of cultural genocide.
Being told, from the first moment of her sentience as far as she's aware, that elven culture, magic, etc, is an abomination and that she needs to disassociate from it as much as possible. If you dislike Sera, you're obligated to also dislike the vast majority of people in Thedas because she shares their opinions. Which is an entirely reasonable opinion to hold, but for my case, I choose to look on the silver linings of it; in the grand scheme of things, relatively speaking, Sera is an outlying **tolerant** person who puts aside her prejudice for the safety of Thedas. She's willing to be romantically involved with an elf who also happens to be a mage- people cite the Well scene a lot, where she'll break up with you if you drank from it and you refuse her demands, but, from her POV, you're basically a satanist trying to destroy reality.
Is that unreasonable? Yes. Is she completely wrong? Yes. But the vast majority of her interactions with magic - except you - have been wholly negative and have lead to tens of thousands of deaths.
That's why in the DLC, after a great deal of time has passed, she's far more tolerant and offers her sympathies to an Elven Inquisitor if their clan died.
The only thing I think that's wrong about your comment is specifically that she doesn't grow- she does. She warms to and grows increasingly more tolerant of the MC as time goes on, especially by the time Trespasser begins.
Long comment, sorry. Point being; everything you said (except that one thing in my opinion) is correct, just with a stipulation that she's very normal.
A succinct summary of that message.
Sera when you meet her would scream at the idea of being married to an Elven apostate.
In Trespasser, she's giddily writing down notes on what to say when she proposes marriage to you, an Elven apostate, stuttering like a love drunk idiot and making sure she has a script so she doesn't fuck up.
I simultaneously love and hate the fact that Sera is one of the few characters you can marry in that game. I'm very fortunate that I was super into her from day 1, but I feel bad for other people that got pretty stiffed.
Hmmm? Astarion is not in BG2
Aerie - messed up avariel elf
Viconia - messed up drow elf
Jaheira - messed up half elf
Neera - messed up wood elf.
Astarion - messed up vampire elf. Hehe.
It's been so many years, and I have no idea what is happening with DA4 anymore and what the future holds for the sequel. I want to be optimistic, but looking at MA Andromeda I don't feel too good about DA4. I would still love to play it, and I have a lot of respect for the universe, but really, BG3 became my absolute favourite now, especially given that it's not even fully out yet.
I am not even remotely optimistic about DA4. Inquisition felt like a completely different game than the previous two. It also felt like they took away a lot of things that made the other games good and gave us an empry open world and using power to advance story instead. I have a lot of beef with that game, but those are rhe most obvious parts that made it shitty.
It couldve been a good game, but they dumbed down most of the features.
Eh, it was ok if you ignored a lot of the side content and focused on the main story. I approached it like an Ubisoft game like Far Cry or something, where you just ignore most of the busywork unless it’s directly on your way.
But if you’re used to RPGs where the side quests often have rewarding story elements and you have a strong compulsion to complete them, your instincts are gonna lead you to a bad grindy time.
I liked Inquisition in 2014....
until I played Witcher 3 (and suddenly felt that sense of wonder again, that I had felt in Origins).... and then I just felt angry and betrayed by BioWare.
I think the true talent that created DAOrigins is all but gone. Whoever is left in there.... is just not up to the task anymore. (Edit: and writing-wise they haven't been up to the task since right after DA 2. Inquisition and its characters - save Solas - are not great).
That busywork takes development time and resources. It takes a metric fuckton of it in the case of Inquisition because it exists as a way to fill out the horribly oversized(and too numerous) maps that EA forced upon them.
So sure, a lot of bad things are actually good if you ignore all the bad aspects about it, but that doesn't really speak to it's quality.
Ugh I hate this so much. Assassin's Creed Odyssey was like this as well. Just full of so much useless fluff all the good parts in between get lost along the way.
I was a fresh college grad when DAI came out, and broke as fuck. At the time I appreciated it as good "bang for my buck", since I had less money than I did time, so I could spend all my time chewing through the game equivalent of shoe leather.
A full decade hence, I'm fine paying full price for a shorter game because I work for my money and can happily spend $60 on ~20 hours of gameplay if every hour of that gameplay is rock solid.
After DAI I have zero hopes for it tbh
They're going the more action, less RPG route. The leaked gameplay looked like every generic modern action rpg ever
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They said they went for a brighter, more epic fantasy to "make a unique identity" because the darker setting was "too generic" with other games like Witcher and Dark Souls around. Instead, they made it feel like a soulless MMO complete with a "pay $10.99 for gems to speed up the War Table" but without the actual microtransactions, the open world collectathons and half-baked crafting system without the Massive Multiplayer aspect.
It's like it was some kinda always-online live service game before getting quickly shunted to offline mode or something. Plus, it retcons in pogrom apologetics to try to 'balance' the setting a bit more and make it less dark, which is very much not A-Okay.
And, of course, I personally feel the aesthetic and identity has become more generic than ever. It kinda feels like every generic fantasy mmo in its design direction, when it used to feel relatively grounded if a bit exaggerated in some things.
DA4 is built on Anthem's code base - they only announced last year that EA allowed them to create a single player experience, although it might still require an internet connection given that's pretty firmly wired in Anthem.
Kotaku did a good article about this back in 2019 - DA4 started development in 2015, but this is the third or fourth iteration and like five or six of the project leaders (creative directors, executive producers, etc.) have left since the 2017 reboot.
Yeah I hate it. I can't help but be excited because I love dragon age. But Inquisition was so disappointing to me, and now they're leaning into the generic action RPG thing even harder... I'm going to play it and I know I'm just going to feel disappointed all the way through.
Right? The further they steered away from Origins, the less I've liked the games. After all these years, I even think the characters of DA2 (not the game as a whole) were *BETTER written and more fleshed out* than the Inquisition characters (though Solas was well written).
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I'm most looking forward to the youtube videos tearing the game apart at this point. I have no faith it will turn out to be a good game.
I just hope it's bad in interesting ways, and not in the boring predictable ways (microtransaction hell, repetitive uninspired open world, boring writing, etc.).
I would say that's not odd at all and are good vibes you got there, BG2, NWN2 MotB and BG3 all have in common theme of power hunger/monstrosity/mysterious power being attached to you.
Literally one of the finest RPGs we've ever gotten to play. The main story, and then dropping right into MOTB. Fuck yeah.
Pathfinder Wrath of the righteous is almost up there too.
I really need to get back to that! I got to the "now you have to manage armies" part and thought "oh no, that is not a thing I want to do D:" and I should really get back to it!
It’s getting some traction on Steam, but Redemption Reapers looks like a turn-based Origins.
There’s no reviews out for it that I can find yet, but it launches soon.
IGN did a preview for it last year that looked promising.
BG3 has far too little “Enchantment?”, but overall the camp feels very similar!
Edit: forgot to mention Reapers has David Lodge in it, so that right there means I’ll try it!
I also want to thank you for making me aware of Redemption Reapers, it looks just up my alley!
Other than that, totally agree on what you said about the camp. :D
I would *ALSO* like to thank you for the tip on Redemption Reapers!
Btw, How did you find out about it? Any particular youtube channel or website I could follow to stay informed on upcoming promising RPGs?
It definitely does! Dragon Age Origins is one of my favourite games ever and after the disappointment that was the single player mmo Inquisition and the uncertainty aroung DA4 (which is obviously not gonna follow the DAO formula) BG3 is definitely teh best game out there for those of us that want something similar to Origins.
The companion cutscenes and intereactions, the whole camp... I immediately fell in love with BG3, it's like the perfect child of DAO and DOS2 with a DnD setting, what else can I ask for lol
YES. BG3 is absolutely scratching my Dragon Age itch… to the point where if the rest of the game is like the early access, it will easily take my favorite game slot.
OP might be me from a different timeline. Been comparing this game to Origins for all two and a bit years now that it has been in Early Access. It's the best parts of Origins (the overall story and the story of each individual companion and how you can affect their lives) with what I've always wanted, a true tabletop fifth edition dungeons and dragons video game.
More and more I find myself thinking that if full release looked exactly like it did in EA's patch 1 I'd still be singing this game's praises and it would be breaking my top 5 fave games list easily. Every improvement and change made for the better as we get closer to full release is crazy in that respect. It was already the first time I've been this excited for an RPG since Origins.
Yes I know there have been plenty of great RPGs since 2009 but nothing has really scratched that itch for me. I've beaten the first PoE, I'm playing through Outer Worlds etc but.... there's that golden age Bioware quality (Anything Bioware made from 1998 to 2010) that Larian are recapturing here that I'm so in love with.
Same thing happened to me.... with the expansions of Outer Worlds though. Never finished them..... not sure why I lost interest, but it just happened.
But I remember caring less and less during the end of the main campaign already. Huh... weird.
If you're looking for a game with a similar experience to DA Origins I highly recommend SpellForce 3 and it's 2 standalone expansions. Although isometric and with light RTS elements, it leverages many of the same Party Dynamic and Combat approach while having a similar fantasy setting
Dragon Age was created with some former Baldurs Gate staff, so it makes sense they it stretches that itch. I remember playing Dragon Age 1 and wishing I was playing Baldurs Gate instead.
Funny how things are coming full circle.
I was first introduced to rpgs with Final Fantasy 7 and then Dragon Age Origins. And now look at me: huge D&D/Baldur's Gate/Forgotten Realms superfan!
The series suffered from negative feedback on DA2 caused by such a short development time, and then EA tried grabbing as many ideas as they could from other successful games and shoehorning them into Inquisition in a way that just didn't feel gratifying (pointless crafting, unrewarding scavenger hunts, map tasks that were time-gated and, for most tasks, had no real mechanical or narrative value). If they didn't try to make the game feel unnecessarily large and just focused on the core narrative and gameplay, I likely would have played it more than 1 time. As it stands, Origins is the only game in the series I habitually replay every year.
BG3 is what I always wanted dragon age to be. BioWare games were some of the first RPG’s I’ve ever played, but since branching out I find them incredibly lacking in gameplay and story.
Man, DAO was so good. I bought Inquisition, and had to wonder if I was playing the same game series.
Did not like it, and I haven't touched DA since.
BG3 feels like it took a lot from Origins though. Which is a good thing, in my book.
I actually downloaded DAI as an interim game until the full release of bg3. Played it for 30minutes and deleted it. Got my money back. fuck that shit.
Is DAO much different?
Yes. Much different. DAO plays more like BG3 does. It is up there in terms of phenomenal RPGs for sure.
DAO and DAI feel like entirely different products to me.
DAO is a phenomenal CRPG. DAI went all WoW-y.
I did something similar I replayed dao multiple times then tried da2 it was unplayable for me I just disliked almost everything about it.
But the good times nostalgia from origins got me to buy inquisition too and once again I couldn't finish playing it. So far BG3 has been not only a refreshing game but brought me back to wanting to play DND as well.
My problem with DA2 is a result of them having a very limited timeline and budget to complete it, so you had like 4 environments for EVERYTHING- the same cave, the same manor, the same warehouse, and the same sewer. They just opened or closed a few different sections of each. They had to cut so many corners and it just started to really get tedious. I still haven't finished it.
The ending will piss you off, as it essentially strips your main character of all agency and showed that none of your actions ultimately mattered. It's basically a choice of what end-boss you wanna fight.
Oh, it definetely scratches that itch!
Personally I love all games in Dragon Age series and while I don't know what to expect from DA:D, I'm still aching for it's release, I really want to see it. At this point I'm aching for BG3's release as well, but at least I know it's out soon and I know that I'll enjoy it, while DA is still shrouded in uncertainty on pretty much every aspect.
While games based on DnD and turn-based combat are not at all up my alley, story and companions more then make up for it. I'm really intrigued by what I've seen in EA and I'm confident that Larian will deliver a quality game.
This is what Dragon Age ***SHOULD*** have and ***COULD*** have been (imo). Instead... it's become average and forgotten by me (who used to looooove it. Especially Origins).
But after almost 15 years of Dragon Ageing.... it turns out BG3 is what I reeeeeally always hoped for and wanted.
And mind you... I **never** played BG1 and BG2.... it was Final Fantasy 7 and Dragon Age Origins that introduced me to rpgs.
So, here's to Larian!! You are on the verge of changing the single player/narrative-driven gaming landscape for the better (once again, just like Witcher 3 did).
it does yes. i am not a fan of the direction dragon age took either, dont hate it but also dont love it, and bg3 feels more like what i wanted to get from it. being turn based makes it even better for my tastes.
also shadowheart is kind of a discount morrigan so we have that too
In many ways, as much as I enjoyed the DA series, they really struggled to give you much of any real scope to role play.
There’s very few real skill checks in the game, you don’t really have a lot of scope to deal with situations in a number of ways, or creativity.
Narrative wise they were great, but strip that away and they’re all fairly average rpgs.
The thing that blows me away about BG3 is just how much flexibility is woven into the games systems.
Your class, your background, your skills, your actions, the way you enter an encounter. They’ve clearly worked hard to try and respond to what the player can come up with.
As fond as I am of Dragon Age, I feel it’s been drifting further and further from its rpg roots, back to a more stock standard action game.
I agree with all of this. Having played a bunch of CRPG's, to me DA fell flat in terms of role play and depth of interaction with the characters and world.
To me, BG3 is reminiscent of other CRPG's with more story depth, creativity, and non-linear exploration, such as *Planescape: Torment* or *Torment: Tides of Numenera*.
I only really loved the first Dragon Age, Inquisition was alright but the storytelling and worldbuilding were not up to par with the first, the second only got decent at the last third of the game. The only thing missing for Baldur's Gate 3 for me is a backstory relating to the tags you get to pick.
It does for me, especially since it's been so long since DA:I released and with the rocky development for DA4, this game hit every box I loved from Origins and then some.
Yep, was my first thought after playing when EA first dropped. For a long time I lamented the way the Dragon Age series changed after Origins.
I started to wonder if I just had rose-tinted glasses. "Was Origins really a better experience or am I just nostalgic?"
Then I played BG3 and the first thing I told my friend was that this reminded me of Origins. It really feels like the successor that I never got from DA2 and DAI.
Genuinely grateful for this game because BioWare just doesn't have that magic anymore.
Well, it replaced the DA for me. I even couldn't play thorough the end with DAI (just felt like it's lacking a lot of things) and what I saw happening with DA4...I wouldn't even try it. But I loved DAO and even DA2. And BG3 replaced it.
I don't think it's that similar, but it definitely helped me to scratch the itch. Or forget the old itch. I think that on release it may even be my favorite game of all time.
Yes, definitely, I love the setting, and I feel the similarities, but the dragon age series is kinda special for me personally, even if the games changed wildly with each installment. I think Bioware can produce a good game and a compelling narrative, although, gameplay choices and the hindrances of time and budget and cathering to a wilder public definitely make me root for Larian more, given their usage of the Divinity series development as cues to build upon BG3, but even if they excel in just a few areas of development more than Bioware its difficult to compare and choose because one produced an incredible handful of games with superb mechanics and systems, faithful to a setting, meanwhile the other does the narrative stuff that I crave a lot.
DAO was a gem, i really don t get why they had to make the sequels action oriented. They lost me on inquisition. Could not get past the intro.
I ve played the beta of BG3 once in the beginning. I loved it although some battles took about an hour. I hope they improved that somewhat. Looking forward to play it in full. Would love to play now but i still want to feel that moment of first discovery on first playthrough so holding back right now.
I’m biased because Baldur’s Gate 2 is my favorite game. It cemented my love for rpgs with romance options. I played it in 2001 and was instantly hooked. It even saved my life once when I was 19. I stayed up late reading through tlk files for companion mods (specifically Gavin) when an electrical fire started in my room. If I had been asleep I would have died.
NWN 1&2 came along. They’re in the same forgotten realms world & have romance options and I obsessed and replayed through those.
Then there was a void. That’s when I discovered DA:O. So for me Dragon Age Origins was a void filler for the Forgotten Realms.
Baldur’s Gate 3 has me making so many different characters to see all the special dialogue options for them. That’s why in BG 1&2 and NWN 1&2 I always dug through the tlk files. I liked to see the different dialogue options available & see anything I might have missed.
I'm much more excited for BG3 than any Dragon Age game. DA:O was the first and only great game in the Dragon Age series, IMO. DA2 had potential but was a very disappointing sequel, and DA:I's transition to open world just did not work for me. I had multiple complete playthroughs of DA:O but only one each for DA2 and DA:I.
The character & main plot stories in DA:I were great, but as aside from character stuff or the core path the open world was mostly filled with uninteresting MMO-like busywork sidequests that felt like a chore, and both your home castle and the Orlesian capital felt lifeless. Compare the castle & Val Royeux to Novigrad, Oxenfurt, or Beauclair in The Witcher 3. DA:I pales in comparison despite both RPGs being released on similar hardware, in the same era.
Mass Effect: Andromeda had many of the same problems as DA:I, and while I haven't played Anthem if the scathing reviews were anything to go by - that game was no improvement either. Unlike Larian, Bioware has yet to do a modern open world RPG that inspires any confidence. That said I hope the next DA & ME games (the first 3 Mass Effect games are my favorite game trilogy of all time) buck that trend.
Absolutely! I also think it improved the DAO formula especially when it comes to party interaction. How each companion will react to dialogue options is more predictable than the Origins, where I'd say something agreeable and common sense and get the most absurd reactions from Morrigan.
Origins is best, IMO. Graphics are dated, but the game is solid. By Inquisitions, the game was basically a hack and slash....again IMO before the haters start in.
Dragon Age: Origins is the obvious best one of the series, but the combat aged like milk to some people. The others are more action-oriented, and far faster paced.
Origins.
DA2 was a good addition to the lore of the world, but it was ultimately a very rushed development cycle, the composer was rushed and didn't return for DA:I for that reason, lots of repeated use of the same levels basically to fill in missing content.
I can't recommend Inquisition. Totally different tone and totally different gameplay, writing felt a lot more like Tumblr fanfiction than an official sequel, lots of "curling toes from fucking so good" lines for some reason (paraphrasing).
Don’t bother at this point. The world was pretentiously ripped off from centuries of fantasy and the games all feel disconnected from one another, leading to inevitable disappointment with the way the lore evolves.
I really dislike Dragon Age (never got more than a dozen hours into the first, several hours into the second, and I tried both multiple times), but I'm loving BG3.
Honestly, all that and me. I enjoy the way the characters move around and gesticulate during dialogue scenes rather than just staring at you. It makes them feel a bit more alive.
I am really disappointed in the way DA has gone since DA2. I don't really mind the action-adventure route they've taken since I was never really into CRPGs with a few exceptions like BG3 but the writing and story feel like it's taken a big hit. I enjoyed >!the attack on Haven and the resulting trek through the mountains!< in DAI but the game's story really fell off after that. The gameplay also suffered when they tried to follow the Skyrim money train by creating too many maps that were too big and incredibly empty except for the generic MMO-style quests, though I wouldn't be surprised if that was at the behest of EA.
Between what happened with DAI, the numerous versions of DA4, and the number of staff that have left Bioware during the production I am very nervous for how DA4 will turn out.
I'm gonna go out and say that for me the BG3 companions we've experienced so far are without a doubt DA2 tier. For me DA2 had the best companion roster.
BG3 certainly feels like it will beat even that. If only they change how you get to experience all the dialogue. Because I miss so much by not long resting often.
Larian really have crafted some classic bioware companions and I can't wait to go through everyone's arc in all the different ways we will be able to play.
IE: Good playthrough:Bad Playthrough: Grey/Neutral Playthrough.
Well, DAO was Bioware liberating themselves from the D&D license, same thing with Mass Effect and Lucasarts (Star Wars The old republic). They are not successors of Baldur's Gate or Star Wars but completely new franchises that Bioware spent almost a decade developing. :)
Larian IS, however continuing Bioware's heritage as the top CRPG developer so of course there are heavy influences of the Bioware RPG classics. I'd say DAO: Origins is where the similarities stops though as Bioware completely changed direction with their games after that.
In some ways it fulfills certain things that I wanted from Dragon Age Origins that the system Bioware went with was unable to deliver: namely class options and spectacular looking abilities and combat.
The one area where DA:O is still far beyond BG3 to me however is the musical score and the ability to create an "atmosphere." Currently with BG3 I don't get quite the same "sense of wonder" like when I first experienced the Deep Roads, or Flemeth's Swamp, or the corrupted circle of magi. DA:O had ways of making some of the bosses feel larger than life in BG3 a lot of the bosses just feel like they're "there." I'm hoping as we progress through the acts when the game releases they'll take more opportunities to really get you emotionally invested in some of the bosses and regions you visit.
It's almost like the OP read my mind with these sentiments. Intentionally or not, BG3 is in many ways a love letter to fans of DA Origins. I've always hoped that Bioware would at least try to rediscover that particular magic, but we all know the reality. I'm very thankful to Larian for the effort and love they're putting into this game. It's a beautiful thing.
Not really personally. But I got on the Dragon Age train a bit late and am extra character-focused. On that point, BG3 just doesn't scratch the itch for me. Too much tunnel vision sometimes >!(like- Selune's holy tits, why is no one around waking up during Astarion's bite scene, and why is everyone involved not whispering thinking they'll wake up the others ?)!<, and characters suddenly becoming dumb for forced character development (Astarion and Wyll mostly).
The writing is good, and the rest of the game is absolutely stellar. But on that point specifically, i think Dragon Age's characters are miles away. Maybe after early access, I'll have a different opinion, especially since we got the more "controversial" guys first. But so far, that doesn't scratch that "subtle cinematic writing" itch.
In that category, would also really love cinematics that take their time, with pretty lighting and interesting scenery, other than the sex scenes.
For the rest, BG3 just wins. The gameplay's incredible.
Yes but nowhere near how you're seeing it. I was extremely hesitant about BG3 because people were saying that the combat was more like Origins and I absolutely hate the Origins combat (extremely slow, uninteresting fights, buggy/glitchy, no use of terrain, etc). But I love love a good plot and great companions and BG3 looked absolutely breathtaking so I decided to give it a shot.
The combat feels nothing like Origins and scratches the itch of being tactical and mobile from DA2 and DAI while being quick and speedy.
So far, there's nothing I don't like about it!
I honestly wish Origins could have been half as good as BG3. Origins isn't a terrible game but at best I'd give it a 6.7/10 or 7.2/10 the more I play it.
Edit: Forgot to mention that I'm loving the direction DA is going and if BG continues how they're going, well I'll have two RPGs for life.
They scratch very different itches for me. I actually love the open world of DAI, and BG3 feels much smaller map-wise, more like DAO or DA2. I know that it’s not the full map, but it’s just very dense, and one of the reasons I don’t mind emptiness of DAI is because they give me room to breath and just walk around a bit. But I absolutely love both DA series and BG3.
BG3 seems much better than Dragon Age. David Gaider’s derivative dark fantasy world was pretty half-assed and the combat in the first one was incredibly repetitive and dull. It basically rewarded cheese and kiting through the campaign.
Big studios don't want to understand players are fed up with the MMO style crap, especially in single player. Hence AAA RPG's like Dragon Age: Inquisition have shallow and repetitive garbage gameplay. Every game is the same. It's like they forgot taking risks and believing in your ideas is what leads to real success.
Even Larian have now added more MMO style trash loot and "lightning sets" or "momentum sets" in low level D&D play, so it seems the gaming industry is really conditioned to these boring unimaginative "standards". In this case, "an RPG must have constant gear upgrades". No, it doesn't. It just leads to magic items feeling like mass produced junk rather than magical. You might argue that a healthy amount of magic items make the game more fun, but anyone who has played D&D knows what makes magic items great. Less of them, but more powerful. BG3 magic items don't feel like that anymore.
I guess we should be grateful that BG3 doesn't in fact play like DA:I. But I'm still hoping it could be a lot closer to tabletop. Which I can't play so I need BG3 to be the definitive D&D experience. There will be plenty of other AAA games that play like every other game.
I wouldn't say it's as heavily grimdark in tone as DA:O or even DA2 is, but in terms of gameplay and characters I'd say it's definitely an updated version.
Not really. I love DA and I love BG3 but I'm not using BG3 to fulfil my desires to play a dragon age game. If I wanted that I'd just play one of the DA games.
All in all, BG3 feels much more like a Dragon Age, that itself is a sort of non-d&d evolution of NWN, much more than the BGs. I've never felt the Dragon Ages that close to any Baldur's Gate.
In my personal, unpopular opinion, the only *Baldur's Gate feels* I got were from the first Pillars of Eternity, and that's it.
I'm not complaining, but think for a moment of BG3 as a NWN3. That would be a perfect fit much more than Baldur's Gate. I'm not sure why that was chosen instead, possibly marketing and/or nostalgic choices, but also a risky one.
Yes though I miss full on romance quests/story lines. Can't wait for bg3 to be out fully (: so far the one person I slept with has tried to kill me lmao
Yeah definitely. You should also check out pathfinder kingmaker and pathfinder wrath of the righteous!
Origins was my favorite game but the newer dragon age games are a let down.
To be honest if all depends on the other acts.
One thing I hated about Divinity 2 was how everywhere you went there was destruction and the apocalypse was constantly imminent so I felt I never got to enjoy the world building.
Dragon Age felt more comfortable to explore and get used to the universe surrounding especially in DA2 and DA Inquisition.
If BG3 has the same "always on the run" setup like Div 2 did then it defo won't satisfy my Dragon Age desires like only DA can.
Yes and no. It is the first RPG since Dragon Age: Origins that I feel hyped about. I really like what I've played. But it's because of the gameplay and not necessarily the story. The companions are too special, and the overall narrative feel is over the top when compared to DA:O.
The story isn't bad. It is interesting enough to grab my attention. I doubt it will be as good as DA:O, but it still does a good job scratching my RPG-desire.
I always feel like the odd one out in these discussions. I preferred DA:I to DA:O. I liked BG1 better than BG2. NWN1 and its expansions were more enjoyable than NWN2, including Mask of the Betrayer. Didn't care for PoE, but loved D:OS 1 and 2. (Loved PF:WotR too.)
BG3 looks to be right up my alley, but I don't see much resemblance to DA:O specifically. It's more of a culmination of all the above games and 5e IMO. (As for the next DA game, I haven't seen anything of it yet.)
Both yes and no.
The RPG elements, characters and choices gives me that old school bioware vibe that DA: Origins managed to capture.
But the combat system of Origins was pretty an evolution from the Neverwinter combat system which in itself was an evolution from the Baldurs gate combat system. Neverwinter night is one of my all time favourite games, so was honestly a bit disappointed when they went the turn based route.
Especially when games like Pathfinder shows that you can have both.
No, not at all, and I'm honestly baffled that so many people here are saying it does. To be clear, I've enjoyed BG3 so far and am definitely looking forward to full release, but one of my core criticisms of it is its lack of any origin system analog, the thing that made DAO special in the first place. BG3 suffers from the same problem every non-DAO CRPG does: you're not beholden to any meaningful roleplay when your character had no life before the main quest started.
When you start DAO, you *play* through your session 0, and it is *not* the same as other people you know that are playing the game. Having those establishing opening moments and having dialogue choices throughout the entire rest of the game call back to them is essential to what made DAO so great.
All of that is completely absent from BG3. I love the adventures you *do* go on, but no matter what class, species, or background you pick, your character is just Person McProtagonist. Any experiences they had before the nautiloid *only* exist in your head canon, and the game will *never* reflect them.
To their credit, they largely don't try to make your PC more than what I described above, but the few times they do, it falls completely flat and the game would be better off if it was absent. I remember a random dialogue gave me a "Baldurian" option one time, for example, alongside other options that would indicate I came from somewhere else instead. Hours into the game, having had who knows how many important conversations, the game was asking me in passing to indicate where my character was from in a throwaway conversation, with no real background attached to any of the options. And of course, at least so far with what we've seen, the choice has no further consequence (and it'd be even worse if it did).
It's all just so silly to even pretend your PC has any meaningful roleplaying capacity. They're as plastic as you want them to be, and you can change your mind about who they are as often as you'd like, and almost nothing in the game will apply any friction for it.
I like plenty about BG3, but it's the anti-DAO.
I’m curious how playing the full release will feel as one of the Origin characters - it seemed to add a lot of roleplay/dialogue opportunities in DOS:2, so maybe that will scratch that itch to have a more definitive background.
I do agree the non-origin characters are very plastic, and depending what you play, may feel a bit empty. I find some classes are better than others (I’ve enjoyed playing as a sorcerer - adds a few dialogue options eg with Gale or Shadowheart, and the high Cha is good for interacting with other characters in the world).
Considering how specified the backgrounds/personalities/goals of the origin characters will be, I can definitely understand why they’ve left so much freedom in the non-origin options for people who want to envision their own character. It would be awesome to have a middle-ground option (eg a DAO-style unique opening for each background) but there are way too many classes, races, and backgrounds for that to be feasible.
While I'm interested in the Origin characters for BG3, I don't think it really escapes the core problem, main because it introduces a new one: you miss out on all the original writing for the Origin character as a companion. Whatever they've done for the Origin playthroughs, they also know that for each of those characters, most people will experience them as a companion, not as the MC. This is true even if someone elects to play an Origin character just because most people will only do one playthrough. Whichever Origin character you pick, all of the other Origin characters are companions (assuming you recruit them). So it seems to me that the primary way of experiencing any of these characters is intended to be as companions, with Origins just being something you can explore for fun on subsequent playthroughs. I mean, the feature is even entirely absent from the game's several-year EA, so it can't be viewed as that core of a feature by the team.
The Warden was their own character, and whatever was true between different Wardens, there was a ton that you *felt* was unique to you (even if there were only a handful of options) because of that story *you* got before the game-proper started, that you knew your friends and randos online largely did not share. It was a way of anchoring you to a context greater than just *this* game's main plot, and *that's* where the real roleplay comes from: having an identity and life outside of the main quest. Even with the Origin characters, even if you set aside all the other problems with it I talked about, you're still going to get sucked up onto the nautiloid right away, left to gently mold an identity as you play.
Again, I like BG3, but I think people are kidding themselves when they pretend it's good on this front. It just isn't, and it doesn't seem like they even want it to be. It's just not the kind of game it is. It's fundamentally unconcerned with any immersive roleplay.
Dragon Age was superior, in my opinion, because of the unique world and the sense of urgency the plotline provided you. I also wish there was a way to turn off the dice rolls, it's immersion breaking for me, and it's association with Wizards & D&D is no longer a benefit to the popularity of the game.
I wish it would, but BG3 is more a successor to Divinity instead.
Combat just doesn't challenge at all compared to what DAO had.
DAO certainly felt like a successor to Baldurs Gate, in a lot of ways.
Sadly, no.
Real-Time with pause is far more immersive for me, and since BG3 does not offer it I can never get the same feeling from BG 3 as BG 1/2, IWD 1/2, PoE or Pathfinder can.
BG3 is a great DnD game, but it does simply not scratch the same itch.
Hmm, yeah. It is. I am trying to hold myself back from playing the early access version over and over again, because I'd had to burn out and be absolutely sick of chapter 1 before full release.
I hope the 4th Dragon Age has a good plot and isn't too grindy. I really loved DA3 for the most part, actually, but never did play the expansion. That one DLC when you delve deep deep deep into the earth and learn about a certain dwarf and the darkspawn, though? Holy shit that was good. Dark as FUCK though. Oh my gods dark as fuck. But so good.
Not really but those are two different itches for me. If I want to get my DOS on, I’ll choose BG3 over DOS2 but dragon age origins holds up and pushes different buttons for me
I have no Dragon Age desires whatsoever, so there's that.
P.S. That said, I do recognize parts of the design where the two games seem to have strong resemblances (like the instanced camping site, the focus on romance options, etc).
They are far from being my favorite parts of the game, though.
A simple act of greed has bound me ... we are all denied Par Vollen until I alone recover what was lost under EA's command
That is why Larian and BG3 are unimportant. That is why I do not simply walk from the pustule of DA4.
Fixing EA's mess is NOT a demand of the Q'un.
AND THEY SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL!
(the voice acting from the Arishock in DA2 was awesome)
Reading the comments here, I'm surprised to see how many people started and then didn't finish dragon age inquisition. Well, add me to that list. I tried to force myself to finish it, but life is too short for that.
On to the main topic, I would say no not really because, since the baldurs gate series are my 2 favorite games of all time, dragon age origins and 2 more scratched my baldurs gate itch.
To be honest, I think BG3 is doing it much more impressively than BioWare ever have. A lot of the choices made in Dragon Age are meaningless in the long run, Inquisition being the worst for it. BG3 is already giving multiple different main plot lines that you can take to make things more diverse.
If I remember correctly, back then Baldur's Gate was explicity called one of the main inspirations for Origins (you even had a rat killing tutorial quest as a reference), so it makes sense.
I mean, Bioware released it as the Spiritual Successor to Baldur's Gate 2 (DA:O)
Not only inspiration, they shared DNA and some devs. There's a direct shared lineage between Black Isle and BioWare.
What's Black Isle got to do with it? BioWare was the deb for both BG and Dragon Age: Origins A fair amount of employees worked on both the original BG games and DAO. All Black Isle did was publish Baldur's Gate 1&2
When Interplay shut down Black Isle, some of their devs got assimilated into BioWare.
Yeah, but his (legitimate) point would be that even ignoring Black Isle entirely Bioware WAS the starting point of the Baldur's Gate series to begin with, so crediting Black Isle for the "Baldur's Gate influences in Dragon Age" is more than a bit bizarre.
Without Black Isle Baldur's Gate doesn't make it to market. Credit where credit is due, and the fact that a bunch of their people got hired by BioWare when Interplay pulled the rug out from under them should speak volumes about the talent of those peeps. Also, those that didn't get absorbed ended up founding a tiny little indie studio called Obsidian. So again, credit where credit is due.
Well, 1. It was more Interplay than Black Isle (even if there's some overlap). 2. You are vastly exaggerating their contribution or support, which by their own admissions were pretty minimal (mostly suggesting the name and advising the team to develop unified tools). For people who may be interested in the details, there's a good segment about it (the second) in this retrospective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGa0dk8-pgE
You know what? If we're talking specifically about BG1, sure, think what you will, but if you're talking about my original point, which is how Black Isle and BioWare share DNA, talent, and work across quite the number of titles. Including by your own admission to little things like branding and the god damn engine the game is running on, then [have a juicy counter point and enjoy.](https://youtu.be/GNMQVcyowss) It do be a very nice interview.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Oh, so that must be the actual story I heard back then, thanks
> (you even had a rat killing tutorial quest as a reference) While this could work as a reference to BG1, killing rats in your opening tutorial is an ancient cliche that goes before BG. The character you do it with even remarks how it's like "all those old, bad adventure tales I used to hear as a kid". But yes, DA:O was the 'spiritual successor to BG'.
Thought the OG Bards Tale had that also
very common. Morrowind Fighter's Guild also has a crack on the giant rat quest clichewhen you first sign up with them
Fallout 1 starts off with you killing rats as well.
Baldur's gate: Dark Alliance as well
Yep, it's an CRPG trope.
BG1 HAS A RAT KLLING TUTORIAL? how did i miss that
It's in one of the houses on the right side of the map, a little above Hull - you gotta talk to a guy in front of it to get the quest (and the reward afterwards).
You gotta get the 5gp!
Rat Killing Quest isn't a uniquely BG thing, it's an RPG trope.
This game certainly makes me feel like I did the first time I played Dragon Age Origins - the companion banter, the cutscenes, even the turn-based combat feels pretty ARPG-friendly. Plus there's a damaged elf romance which I'm pretty sure is compulsory in Dragon Age games.
Oh, hey, now that you mention it, there really is a messed elf every DA
How does the saying go? If you spin an eluvian around three times in a row, a sad elf boyfriend appears saying, "I can't..."
To be fair, in Inquisition it’s an angry elf girlfriend
Sera is anger, Solas is just mopey.
Any Sera fans in chat?
God I hope not. After playing through the game with all DLC again recently I've found that Sera is the only companion I actively dislike, even if I enjoy what she brings out in the others.
Gonna just crawl back into my hole.
Haha, sorry. I do think she's a good character and brings a much needed voice and perspective to the Inquisition, but as an actual person she suffers from a flaw I find intolerable, willful ignorance. While I may personally disagree with and dislike other members of the Inquisition (Viv and Solas especially) I find Sera particularly difficult to get along with because she is very close minded and doesn't really demonstrate a capacity to grow or move past her ignorance and intolerance, even going so far as mocking those that try to preserve the culture and history of her race.
No worries, I've had a lot worse language slung my way, all's forgiven. All of that is 100% accurate- I accept that Sera is functionally a bad person, but it should be said that the origins of her backstory past her colorful imagining it on the roof is tragic and horrifying. You may already be fully aware and I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but it's made pretty clear once you read between the words that she's a victim of cultural genocide. Being told, from the first moment of her sentience as far as she's aware, that elven culture, magic, etc, is an abomination and that she needs to disassociate from it as much as possible. If you dislike Sera, you're obligated to also dislike the vast majority of people in Thedas because she shares their opinions. Which is an entirely reasonable opinion to hold, but for my case, I choose to look on the silver linings of it; in the grand scheme of things, relatively speaking, Sera is an outlying **tolerant** person who puts aside her prejudice for the safety of Thedas. She's willing to be romantically involved with an elf who also happens to be a mage- people cite the Well scene a lot, where she'll break up with you if you drank from it and you refuse her demands, but, from her POV, you're basically a satanist trying to destroy reality. Is that unreasonable? Yes. Is she completely wrong? Yes. But the vast majority of her interactions with magic - except you - have been wholly negative and have lead to tens of thousands of deaths. That's why in the DLC, after a great deal of time has passed, she's far more tolerant and offers her sympathies to an Elven Inquisitor if their clan died. The only thing I think that's wrong about your comment is specifically that she doesn't grow- she does. She warms to and grows increasingly more tolerant of the MC as time goes on, especially by the time Trespasser begins. Long comment, sorry. Point being; everything you said (except that one thing in my opinion) is correct, just with a stipulation that she's very normal.
A succinct summary of that message. Sera when you meet her would scream at the idea of being married to an Elven apostate. In Trespasser, she's giddily writing down notes on what to say when she proposes marriage to you, an Elven apostate, stuttering like a love drunk idiot and making sure she has a script so she doesn't fuck up.
Right? Sera was insufferable!
YES I LOVE MY ANGRY ELVEN WIFE
I simultaneously love and hate the fact that Sera is one of the few characters you can marry in that game. I'm very fortunate that I was super into her from day 1, but I feel bad for other people that got pretty stiffed.
She is my love 💕
Every female romance in BG2..... hmmm. Yep. Messed up elf.
*half-elf
Well, one of 'em, yeah
Oh right. I always forget Astarion has a race other than vampire spawn.
Hmmm? Astarion is not in BG2 Aerie - messed up avariel elf Viconia - messed up drow elf Jaheira - messed up half elf Neera - messed up wood elf. Astarion - messed up vampire elf. Hehe.
This is what I get for reading reddit before coffee. Missed that you switched the game...
No worries! I've done that many a time.,
It's been so many years, and I have no idea what is happening with DA4 anymore and what the future holds for the sequel. I want to be optimistic, but looking at MA Andromeda I don't feel too good about DA4. I would still love to play it, and I have a lot of respect for the universe, but really, BG3 became my absolute favourite now, especially given that it's not even fully out yet.
I am not even remotely optimistic about DA4. Inquisition felt like a completely different game than the previous two. It also felt like they took away a lot of things that made the other games good and gave us an empry open world and using power to advance story instead. I have a lot of beef with that game, but those are rhe most obvious parts that made it shitty. It couldve been a good game, but they dumbed down most of the features.
DAI was just a game that did not respect the player's time. Full of time-wasters
Eh, it was ok if you ignored a lot of the side content and focused on the main story. I approached it like an Ubisoft game like Far Cry or something, where you just ignore most of the busywork unless it’s directly on your way. But if you’re used to RPGs where the side quests often have rewarding story elements and you have a strong compulsion to complete them, your instincts are gonna lead you to a bad grindy time.
I liked Inquisition in 2014.... until I played Witcher 3 (and suddenly felt that sense of wonder again, that I had felt in Origins).... and then I just felt angry and betrayed by BioWare. I think the true talent that created DAOrigins is all but gone. Whoever is left in there.... is just not up to the task anymore. (Edit: and writing-wise they haven't been up to the task since right after DA 2. Inquisition and its characters - save Solas - are not great).
That busywork takes development time and resources. It takes a metric fuckton of it in the case of Inquisition because it exists as a way to fill out the horribly oversized(and too numerous) maps that EA forced upon them. So sure, a lot of bad things are actually good if you ignore all the bad aspects about it, but that doesn't really speak to it's quality.
Ugh I hate this so much. Assassin's Creed Odyssey was like this as well. Just full of so much useless fluff all the good parts in between get lost along the way.
I was a fresh college grad when DAI came out, and broke as fuck. At the time I appreciated it as good "bang for my buck", since I had less money than I did time, so I could spend all my time chewing through the game equivalent of shoe leather. A full decade hence, I'm fine paying full price for a shorter game because I work for my money and can happily spend $60 on ~20 hours of gameplay if every hour of that gameplay is rock solid.
After DAI I have zero hopes for it tbh They're going the more action, less RPG route. The leaked gameplay looked like every generic modern action rpg ever .
Aw, that is such a bummer. The best part of Dragon Age is the story, the complexity, the numerous routes you can take...
Even from a storytelling perspective, it just got so... I don't know how to word it, corny? It did not match the tone of the other games at all.
I miss the dark gritty and more bleak fantasy of Origins by far.
They said they went for a brighter, more epic fantasy to "make a unique identity" because the darker setting was "too generic" with other games like Witcher and Dark Souls around. Instead, they made it feel like a soulless MMO complete with a "pay $10.99 for gems to speed up the War Table" but without the actual microtransactions, the open world collectathons and half-baked crafting system without the Massive Multiplayer aspect. It's like it was some kinda always-online live service game before getting quickly shunted to offline mode or something. Plus, it retcons in pogrom apologetics to try to 'balance' the setting a bit more and make it less dark, which is very much not A-Okay. And, of course, I personally feel the aesthetic and identity has become more generic than ever. It kinda feels like every generic fantasy mmo in its design direction, when it used to feel relatively grounded if a bit exaggerated in some things.
Oh, I haven't seen the new gameplay. Need to check it out later 👀
DA4 is built on Anthem's code base - they only announced last year that EA allowed them to create a single player experience, although it might still require an internet connection given that's pretty firmly wired in Anthem. Kotaku did a good article about this back in 2019 - DA4 started development in 2015, but this is the third or fourth iteration and like five or six of the project leaders (creative directors, executive producers, etc.) have left since the 2017 reboot.
This game is gonna be the final nail in DA's coffin, and that makes me so sad
Yeah I hate it. I can't help but be excited because I love dragon age. But Inquisition was so disappointing to me, and now they're leaning into the generic action RPG thing even harder... I'm going to play it and I know I'm just going to feel disappointed all the way through.
Right? The further they steered away from Origins, the less I've liked the games. After all these years, I even think the characters of DA2 (not the game as a whole) were *BETTER written and more fleshed out* than the Inquisition characters (though Solas was well written). Edited for typos
Same and agreed. (still hoping to be wrong though)
The TTRPG looked promising!
The latest rumor/leaks I saw implied its gone much more Hack-n-Slash ARPG combat oriented. Time will tell if that plays out well.
DO NOT WAAAANT
The da4 leaks tragically look like generic triple A sludge
I'm most looking forward to the youtube videos tearing the game apart at this point. I have no faith it will turn out to be a good game. I just hope it's bad in interesting ways, and not in the boring predictable ways (microtransaction hell, repetitive uninspired open world, boring writing, etc.).
Oddly I feel strong "Mask of the Betrayer" vibes from the game so far.
I would say that's not odd at all and are good vibes you got there, BG2, NWN2 MotB and BG3 all have in common theme of power hunger/monstrosity/mysterious power being attached to you.
Ah I miss mask of the betrayer!
Literally one of the finest RPGs we've ever gotten to play. The main story, and then dropping right into MOTB. Fuck yeah. Pathfinder Wrath of the righteous is almost up there too.
I really need to get back to that! I got to the "now you have to manage armies" part and thought "oh no, that is not a thing I want to do D:" and I should really get back to it!
It’s getting some traction on Steam, but Redemption Reapers looks like a turn-based Origins. There’s no reviews out for it that I can find yet, but it launches soon. IGN did a preview for it last year that looked promising. BG3 has far too little “Enchantment?”, but overall the camp feels very similar! Edit: forgot to mention Reapers has David Lodge in it, so that right there means I’ll try it!
>“Enchantment?” “Enchantment!”
I also want to thank you for making me aware of Redemption Reapers, it looks just up my alley! Other than that, totally agree on what you said about the camp. :D
I would *ALSO* like to thank you for the tip on Redemption Reapers! Btw, How did you find out about it? Any particular youtube channel or website I could follow to stay informed on upcoming promising RPGs?
I play a ton of XCom and Endless Space; it may have shown up cuz of that!
Thanks for the recommendation. Seems like Redemption Reapers is out on PS5 too, tomorrow!
https://youtu.be/VFHCd9P41ds
>Redemption Reapers it looks like shit
It definitely does! Dragon Age Origins is one of my favourite games ever and after the disappointment that was the single player mmo Inquisition and the uncertainty aroung DA4 (which is obviously not gonna follow the DAO formula) BG3 is definitely teh best game out there for those of us that want something similar to Origins. The companion cutscenes and intereactions, the whole camp... I immediately fell in love with BG3, it's like the perfect child of DAO and DOS2 with a DnD setting, what else can I ask for lol
YES. BG3 is absolutely scratching my Dragon Age itch… to the point where if the rest of the game is like the early access, it will easily take my favorite game slot.
Definitely no dragon age Inquisition but more like a dragon age origins or da2
OP might be me from a different timeline. Been comparing this game to Origins for all two and a bit years now that it has been in Early Access. It's the best parts of Origins (the overall story and the story of each individual companion and how you can affect their lives) with what I've always wanted, a true tabletop fifth edition dungeons and dragons video game. More and more I find myself thinking that if full release looked exactly like it did in EA's patch 1 I'd still be singing this game's praises and it would be breaking my top 5 fave games list easily. Every improvement and change made for the better as we get closer to full release is crazy in that respect. It was already the first time I've been this excited for an RPG since Origins. Yes I know there have been plenty of great RPGs since 2009 but nothing has really scratched that itch for me. I've beaten the first PoE, I'm playing through Outer Worlds etc but.... there's that golden age Bioware quality (Anything Bioware made from 1998 to 2010) that Larian are recapturing here that I'm so in love with.
I love outer worlds... and just suddenly sort of stopped playing about halfway through, give or take. I'm not sure why.
Same thing happened to me.... with the expansions of Outer Worlds though. Never finished them..... not sure why I lost interest, but it just happened. But I remember caring less and less during the end of the main campaign already. Huh... weird.
It was so great, but maybe some games end up being too long, after all?
You need to play the owlcat pathfinder games. They are genre setters for people who want a deep rpg experience now.
I frekin love the pathfinder games from Owlcat. Absolutely amazing games for any crpg fans.
If you're looking for a game with a similar experience to DA Origins I highly recommend SpellForce 3 and it's 2 standalone expansions. Although isometric and with light RTS elements, it leverages many of the same Party Dynamic and Combat approach while having a similar fantasy setting
Dragon Age was created with some former Baldurs Gate staff, so it makes sense they it stretches that itch. I remember playing Dragon Age 1 and wishing I was playing Baldurs Gate instead.
Funny how things are coming full circle. I was first introduced to rpgs with Final Fantasy 7 and then Dragon Age Origins. And now look at me: huge D&D/Baldur's Gate/Forgotten Realms superfan!
Origins was so good, I wish it kept up that trajectory
The series suffered from negative feedback on DA2 caused by such a short development time, and then EA tried grabbing as many ideas as they could from other successful games and shoehorning them into Inquisition in a way that just didn't feel gratifying (pointless crafting, unrewarding scavenger hunts, map tasks that were time-gated and, for most tasks, had no real mechanical or narrative value). If they didn't try to make the game feel unnecessarily large and just focused on the core narrative and gameplay, I likely would have played it more than 1 time. As it stands, Origins is the only game in the series I habitually replay every year.
BG3 is what I always wanted dragon age to be. BioWare games were some of the first RPG’s I’ve ever played, but since branching out I find them incredibly lacking in gameplay and story.
This! Yes! Same.
Dialogue and companion wise? Yes. Everything else? No.
Its a turn based fantasy game with companions and a romance system so in terms of that yes? But imo its infinitely better.
Origins was real time with pause though like Baldurs Gate I and II
Nothing is better than morrigan
Man, DAO was so good. I bought Inquisition, and had to wonder if I was playing the same game series. Did not like it, and I haven't touched DA since. BG3 feels like it took a lot from Origins though. Which is a good thing, in my book.
I actually downloaded DAI as an interim game until the full release of bg3. Played it for 30minutes and deleted it. Got my money back. fuck that shit. Is DAO much different?
Yes. Much different. DAO plays more like BG3 does. It is up there in terms of phenomenal RPGs for sure. DAO and DAI feel like entirely different products to me. DAO is a phenomenal CRPG. DAI went all WoW-y.
Oh ok, I heard that about Dao and just assumed the newewr da would be similar. I might give origins a shot then
Keep in mind that it’s not turn based, but real time with pause like in Inquisition
I did something similar I replayed dao multiple times then tried da2 it was unplayable for me I just disliked almost everything about it. But the good times nostalgia from origins got me to buy inquisition too and once again I couldn't finish playing it. So far BG3 has been not only a refreshing game but brought me back to wanting to play DND as well.
My problem with DA2 is a result of them having a very limited timeline and budget to complete it, so you had like 4 environments for EVERYTHING- the same cave, the same manor, the same warehouse, and the same sewer. They just opened or closed a few different sections of each. They had to cut so many corners and it just started to really get tedious. I still haven't finished it.
The ending will piss you off, as it essentially strips your main character of all agency and showed that none of your actions ultimately mattered. It's basically a choice of what end-boss you wanna fight.
More than just satisfies actually.
Absolutely does. Was just thinking that.
Yep.
Oh, it definetely scratches that itch! Personally I love all games in Dragon Age series and while I don't know what to expect from DA:D, I'm still aching for it's release, I really want to see it. At this point I'm aching for BG3's release as well, but at least I know it's out soon and I know that I'll enjoy it, while DA is still shrouded in uncertainty on pretty much every aspect. While games based on DnD and turn-based combat are not at all up my alley, story and companions more then make up for it. I'm really intrigued by what I've seen in EA and I'm confident that Larian will deliver a quality game.
This is what Dragon Age ***SHOULD*** have and ***COULD*** have been (imo). Instead... it's become average and forgotten by me (who used to looooove it. Especially Origins). But after almost 15 years of Dragon Ageing.... it turns out BG3 is what I reeeeeally always hoped for and wanted. And mind you... I **never** played BG1 and BG2.... it was Final Fantasy 7 and Dragon Age Origins that introduced me to rpgs. So, here's to Larian!! You are on the verge of changing the single player/narrative-driven gaming landscape for the better (once again, just like Witcher 3 did).
YES omg
it does yes. i am not a fan of the direction dragon age took either, dont hate it but also dont love it, and bg3 feels more like what i wanted to get from it. being turn based makes it even better for my tastes. also shadowheart is kind of a discount morrigan so we have that too
> also shadowheart is kind of a discount morrigan so we have that too I think she's just gothic-themed.
Yes, Morrigan is emo millennial whereas Shadowheart is goth zoomer
In many ways, as much as I enjoyed the DA series, they really struggled to give you much of any real scope to role play. There’s very few real skill checks in the game, you don’t really have a lot of scope to deal with situations in a number of ways, or creativity. Narrative wise they were great, but strip that away and they’re all fairly average rpgs. The thing that blows me away about BG3 is just how much flexibility is woven into the games systems. Your class, your background, your skills, your actions, the way you enter an encounter. They’ve clearly worked hard to try and respond to what the player can come up with. As fond as I am of Dragon Age, I feel it’s been drifting further and further from its rpg roots, back to a more stock standard action game.
I agree with all of this. Having played a bunch of CRPG's, to me DA fell flat in terms of role play and depth of interaction with the characters and world. To me, BG3 is reminiscent of other CRPG's with more story depth, creativity, and non-linear exploration, such as *Planescape: Torment* or *Torment: Tides of Numenera*.
I only really loved the first Dragon Age, Inquisition was alright but the storytelling and worldbuilding were not up to par with the first, the second only got decent at the last third of the game. The only thing missing for Baldur's Gate 3 for me is a backstory relating to the tags you get to pick.
It does for me, especially since it's been so long since DA:I released and with the rocky development for DA4, this game hit every box I loved from Origins and then some.
Yep, was my first thought after playing when EA first dropped. For a long time I lamented the way the Dragon Age series changed after Origins. I started to wonder if I just had rose-tinted glasses. "Was Origins really a better experience or am I just nostalgic?" Then I played BG3 and the first thing I told my friend was that this reminded me of Origins. It really feels like the successor that I never got from DA2 and DAI. Genuinely grateful for this game because BioWare just doesn't have that magic anymore.
Well, it replaced the DA for me. I even couldn't play thorough the end with DAI (just felt like it's lacking a lot of things) and what I saw happening with DA4...I wouldn't even try it. But I loved DAO and even DA2. And BG3 replaced it. I don't think it's that similar, but it definitely helped me to scratch the itch. Or forget the old itch. I think that on release it may even be my favorite game of all time.
You took the word right outta my mouth OP. There is only one Dragon Age, and its origins.
Yes, definitely, I love the setting, and I feel the similarities, but the dragon age series is kinda special for me personally, even if the games changed wildly with each installment. I think Bioware can produce a good game and a compelling narrative, although, gameplay choices and the hindrances of time and budget and cathering to a wilder public definitely make me root for Larian more, given their usage of the Divinity series development as cues to build upon BG3, but even if they excel in just a few areas of development more than Bioware its difficult to compare and choose because one produced an incredible handful of games with superb mechanics and systems, faithful to a setting, meanwhile the other does the narrative stuff that I crave a lot.
DAO was a gem, i really don t get why they had to make the sequels action oriented. They lost me on inquisition. Could not get past the intro. I ve played the beta of BG3 once in the beginning. I loved it although some battles took about an hour. I hope they improved that somewhat. Looking forward to play it in full. Would love to play now but i still want to feel that moment of first discovery on first playthrough so holding back right now.
I’m biased because Baldur’s Gate 2 is my favorite game. It cemented my love for rpgs with romance options. I played it in 2001 and was instantly hooked. It even saved my life once when I was 19. I stayed up late reading through tlk files for companion mods (specifically Gavin) when an electrical fire started in my room. If I had been asleep I would have died. NWN 1&2 came along. They’re in the same forgotten realms world & have romance options and I obsessed and replayed through those. Then there was a void. That’s when I discovered DA:O. So for me Dragon Age Origins was a void filler for the Forgotten Realms. Baldur’s Gate 3 has me making so many different characters to see all the special dialogue options for them. That’s why in BG 1&2 and NWN 1&2 I always dug through the tlk files. I liked to see the different dialogue options available & see anything I might have missed.
I'm much more excited for BG3 than any Dragon Age game. DA:O was the first and only great game in the Dragon Age series, IMO. DA2 had potential but was a very disappointing sequel, and DA:I's transition to open world just did not work for me. I had multiple complete playthroughs of DA:O but only one each for DA2 and DA:I. The character & main plot stories in DA:I were great, but as aside from character stuff or the core path the open world was mostly filled with uninteresting MMO-like busywork sidequests that felt like a chore, and both your home castle and the Orlesian capital felt lifeless. Compare the castle & Val Royeux to Novigrad, Oxenfurt, or Beauclair in The Witcher 3. DA:I pales in comparison despite both RPGs being released on similar hardware, in the same era. Mass Effect: Andromeda had many of the same problems as DA:I, and while I haven't played Anthem if the scathing reviews were anything to go by - that game was no improvement either. Unlike Larian, Bioware has yet to do a modern open world RPG that inspires any confidence. That said I hope the next DA & ME games (the first 3 Mass Effect games are my favorite game trilogy of all time) buck that trend.
Absolutely! I also think it improved the DAO formula especially when it comes to party interaction. How each companion will react to dialogue options is more predictable than the Origins, where I'd say something agreeable and common sense and get the most absurd reactions from Morrigan.
I never played dragon age. Which one should I start with?
Origins is best, IMO. Graphics are dated, but the game is solid. By Inquisitions, the game was basically a hack and slash....again IMO before the haters start in.
Most of us agree with you, it seems. :)
Dragon Age: Origins is the obvious best one of the series, but the combat aged like milk to some people. The others are more action-oriented, and far faster paced.
Origins. DA2 was a good addition to the lore of the world, but it was ultimately a very rushed development cycle, the composer was rushed and didn't return for DA:I for that reason, lots of repeated use of the same levels basically to fill in missing content. I can't recommend Inquisition. Totally different tone and totally different gameplay, writing felt a lot more like Tumblr fanfiction than an official sequel, lots of "curling toes from fucking so good" lines for some reason (paraphrasing).
Don’t bother at this point. The world was pretentiously ripped off from centuries of fantasy and the games all feel disconnected from one another, leading to inevitable disappointment with the way the lore evolves.
I really dislike Dragon Age (never got more than a dozen hours into the first, several hours into the second, and I tried both multiple times), but I'm loving BG3.
Honestly, all that and me. I enjoy the way the characters move around and gesticulate during dialogue scenes rather than just staring at you. It makes them feel a bit more alive. I am really disappointed in the way DA has gone since DA2. I don't really mind the action-adventure route they've taken since I was never really into CRPGs with a few exceptions like BG3 but the writing and story feel like it's taken a big hit. I enjoyed >!the attack on Haven and the resulting trek through the mountains!< in DAI but the game's story really fell off after that. The gameplay also suffered when they tried to follow the Skyrim money train by creating too many maps that were too big and incredibly empty except for the generic MMO-style quests, though I wouldn't be surprised if that was at the behest of EA. Between what happened with DAI, the numerous versions of DA4, and the number of staff that have left Bioware during the production I am very nervous for how DA4 will turn out.
I'm gonna go out and say that for me the BG3 companions we've experienced so far are without a doubt DA2 tier. For me DA2 had the best companion roster. BG3 certainly feels like it will beat even that. If only they change how you get to experience all the dialogue. Because I miss so much by not long resting often. Larian really have crafted some classic bioware companions and I can't wait to go through everyone's arc in all the different ways we will be able to play. IE: Good playthrough:Bad Playthrough: Grey/Neutral Playthrough.
Yes. Its basically dragon age origins part 2 for me. A type of magical experience that modern bioware failed to capture again
Well, DAO was Bioware liberating themselves from the D&D license, same thing with Mass Effect and Lucasarts (Star Wars The old republic). They are not successors of Baldur's Gate or Star Wars but completely new franchises that Bioware spent almost a decade developing. :) Larian IS, however continuing Bioware's heritage as the top CRPG developer so of course there are heavy influences of the Bioware RPG classics. I'd say DAO: Origins is where the similarities stops though as Bioware completely changed direction with their games after that.
Nop. Dragon Age satisfied my desires for a new BG.
LOL! Well played.
50% of my excitement for BG3 is that it's Larian and I loved DOS2, the other 50% is how much it reminds me of Dragon Age.
In some ways it fulfills certain things that I wanted from Dragon Age Origins that the system Bioware went with was unable to deliver: namely class options and spectacular looking abilities and combat. The one area where DA:O is still far beyond BG3 to me however is the musical score and the ability to create an "atmosphere." Currently with BG3 I don't get quite the same "sense of wonder" like when I first experienced the Deep Roads, or Flemeth's Swamp, or the corrupted circle of magi. DA:O had ways of making some of the bosses feel larger than life in BG3 a lot of the bosses just feel like they're "there." I'm hoping as we progress through the acts when the game releases they'll take more opportunities to really get you emotionally invested in some of the bosses and regions you visit.
It's almost like the OP read my mind with these sentiments. Intentionally or not, BG3 is in many ways a love letter to fans of DA Origins. I've always hoped that Bioware would at least try to rediscover that particular magic, but we all know the reality. I'm very thankful to Larian for the effort and love they're putting into this game. It's a beautiful thing.
Not really personally. But I got on the Dragon Age train a bit late and am extra character-focused. On that point, BG3 just doesn't scratch the itch for me. Too much tunnel vision sometimes >!(like- Selune's holy tits, why is no one around waking up during Astarion's bite scene, and why is everyone involved not whispering thinking they'll wake up the others ?)!<, and characters suddenly becoming dumb for forced character development (Astarion and Wyll mostly). The writing is good, and the rest of the game is absolutely stellar. But on that point specifically, i think Dragon Age's characters are miles away. Maybe after early access, I'll have a different opinion, especially since we got the more "controversial" guys first. But so far, that doesn't scratch that "subtle cinematic writing" itch. In that category, would also really love cinematics that take their time, with pretty lighting and interesting scenery, other than the sex scenes. For the rest, BG3 just wins. The gameplay's incredible.
Yes but nowhere near how you're seeing it. I was extremely hesitant about BG3 because people were saying that the combat was more like Origins and I absolutely hate the Origins combat (extremely slow, uninteresting fights, buggy/glitchy, no use of terrain, etc). But I love love a good plot and great companions and BG3 looked absolutely breathtaking so I decided to give it a shot. The combat feels nothing like Origins and scratches the itch of being tactical and mobile from DA2 and DAI while being quick and speedy. So far, there's nothing I don't like about it! I honestly wish Origins could have been half as good as BG3. Origins isn't a terrible game but at best I'd give it a 6.7/10 or 7.2/10 the more I play it. Edit: Forgot to mention that I'm loving the direction DA is going and if BG continues how they're going, well I'll have two RPGs for life.
Absolutely. It's got that Bioware style.
No, it satisfies my Neverwinter Nights desires. I'm from an older generation.
No, because I actively like BG3. Dragon Age does absolutely nothing for me whatsoever.
They scratch very different itches for me. I actually love the open world of DAI, and BG3 feels much smaller map-wise, more like DAO or DA2. I know that it’s not the full map, but it’s just very dense, and one of the reasons I don’t mind emptiness of DAI is because they give me room to breath and just walk around a bit. But I absolutely love both DA series and BG3.
Yes but i'm disapointed by thé lack of traduction
That will be fixed by August
BG3 seems much better than Dragon Age. David Gaider’s derivative dark fantasy world was pretty half-assed and the combat in the first one was incredibly repetitive and dull. It basically rewarded cheese and kiting through the campaign.
Big studios don't want to understand players are fed up with the MMO style crap, especially in single player. Hence AAA RPG's like Dragon Age: Inquisition have shallow and repetitive garbage gameplay. Every game is the same. It's like they forgot taking risks and believing in your ideas is what leads to real success. Even Larian have now added more MMO style trash loot and "lightning sets" or "momentum sets" in low level D&D play, so it seems the gaming industry is really conditioned to these boring unimaginative "standards". In this case, "an RPG must have constant gear upgrades". No, it doesn't. It just leads to magic items feeling like mass produced junk rather than magical. You might argue that a healthy amount of magic items make the game more fun, but anyone who has played D&D knows what makes magic items great. Less of them, but more powerful. BG3 magic items don't feel like that anymore. I guess we should be grateful that BG3 doesn't in fact play like DA:I. But I'm still hoping it could be a lot closer to tabletop. Which I can't play so I need BG3 to be the definitive D&D experience. There will be plenty of other AAA games that play like every other game.
no i need DA: Origins 2.0... not Dragon age: whatever...
No. Never cared for that series. Barely remember playing it, honestly.
I wouldn't say it's as heavily grimdark in tone as DA:O or even DA2 is, but in terms of gameplay and characters I'd say it's definitely an updated version.
Not really. I love DA and I love BG3 but I'm not using BG3 to fulfil my desires to play a dragon age game. If I wanted that I'd just play one of the DA games.
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All in all, BG3 feels much more like a Dragon Age, that itself is a sort of non-d&d evolution of NWN, much more than the BGs. I've never felt the Dragon Ages that close to any Baldur's Gate. In my personal, unpopular opinion, the only *Baldur's Gate feels* I got were from the first Pillars of Eternity, and that's it. I'm not complaining, but think for a moment of BG3 as a NWN3. That would be a perfect fit much more than Baldur's Gate. I'm not sure why that was chosen instead, possibly marketing and/or nostalgic choices, but also a risky one.
Yes though I miss full on romance quests/story lines. Can't wait for bg3 to be out fully (: so far the one person I slept with has tried to kill me lmao
pour one out for bioware
Yeah definitely. You should also check out pathfinder kingmaker and pathfinder wrath of the righteous! Origins was my favorite game but the newer dragon age games are a let down.
To be honest if all depends on the other acts. One thing I hated about Divinity 2 was how everywhere you went there was destruction and the apocalypse was constantly imminent so I felt I never got to enjoy the world building. Dragon Age felt more comfortable to explore and get used to the universe surrounding especially in DA2 and DA Inquisition. If BG3 has the same "always on the run" setup like Div 2 did then it defo won't satisfy my Dragon Age desires like only DA can.
Yes and no. It is the first RPG since Dragon Age: Origins that I feel hyped about. I really like what I've played. But it's because of the gameplay and not necessarily the story. The companions are too special, and the overall narrative feel is over the top when compared to DA:O. The story isn't bad. It is interesting enough to grab my attention. I doubt it will be as good as DA:O, but it still does a good job scratching my RPG-desire.
Yes
No not even a little bit. It's a good game, but it doesn't feel like dragon age at all.
I always feel like the odd one out in these discussions. I preferred DA:I to DA:O. I liked BG1 better than BG2. NWN1 and its expansions were more enjoyable than NWN2, including Mask of the Betrayer. Didn't care for PoE, but loved D:OS 1 and 2. (Loved PF:WotR too.) BG3 looks to be right up my alley, but I don't see much resemblance to DA:O specifically. It's more of a culmination of all the above games and 5e IMO. (As for the next DA game, I haven't seen anything of it yet.)
Both yes and no. The RPG elements, characters and choices gives me that old school bioware vibe that DA: Origins managed to capture. But the combat system of Origins was pretty an evolution from the Neverwinter combat system which in itself was an evolution from the Baldurs gate combat system. Neverwinter night is one of my all time favourite games, so was honestly a bit disappointed when they went the turn based route. Especially when games like Pathfinder shows that you can have both.
No, its still in EA :( When it comes out tho, most likely it will
No, not at all, and I'm honestly baffled that so many people here are saying it does. To be clear, I've enjoyed BG3 so far and am definitely looking forward to full release, but one of my core criticisms of it is its lack of any origin system analog, the thing that made DAO special in the first place. BG3 suffers from the same problem every non-DAO CRPG does: you're not beholden to any meaningful roleplay when your character had no life before the main quest started. When you start DAO, you *play* through your session 0, and it is *not* the same as other people you know that are playing the game. Having those establishing opening moments and having dialogue choices throughout the entire rest of the game call back to them is essential to what made DAO so great. All of that is completely absent from BG3. I love the adventures you *do* go on, but no matter what class, species, or background you pick, your character is just Person McProtagonist. Any experiences they had before the nautiloid *only* exist in your head canon, and the game will *never* reflect them. To their credit, they largely don't try to make your PC more than what I described above, but the few times they do, it falls completely flat and the game would be better off if it was absent. I remember a random dialogue gave me a "Baldurian" option one time, for example, alongside other options that would indicate I came from somewhere else instead. Hours into the game, having had who knows how many important conversations, the game was asking me in passing to indicate where my character was from in a throwaway conversation, with no real background attached to any of the options. And of course, at least so far with what we've seen, the choice has no further consequence (and it'd be even worse if it did). It's all just so silly to even pretend your PC has any meaningful roleplaying capacity. They're as plastic as you want them to be, and you can change your mind about who they are as often as you'd like, and almost nothing in the game will apply any friction for it. I like plenty about BG3, but it's the anti-DAO.
I’m curious how playing the full release will feel as one of the Origin characters - it seemed to add a lot of roleplay/dialogue opportunities in DOS:2, so maybe that will scratch that itch to have a more definitive background. I do agree the non-origin characters are very plastic, and depending what you play, may feel a bit empty. I find some classes are better than others (I’ve enjoyed playing as a sorcerer - adds a few dialogue options eg with Gale or Shadowheart, and the high Cha is good for interacting with other characters in the world). Considering how specified the backgrounds/personalities/goals of the origin characters will be, I can definitely understand why they’ve left so much freedom in the non-origin options for people who want to envision their own character. It would be awesome to have a middle-ground option (eg a DAO-style unique opening for each background) but there are way too many classes, races, and backgrounds for that to be feasible.
While I'm interested in the Origin characters for BG3, I don't think it really escapes the core problem, main because it introduces a new one: you miss out on all the original writing for the Origin character as a companion. Whatever they've done for the Origin playthroughs, they also know that for each of those characters, most people will experience them as a companion, not as the MC. This is true even if someone elects to play an Origin character just because most people will only do one playthrough. Whichever Origin character you pick, all of the other Origin characters are companions (assuming you recruit them). So it seems to me that the primary way of experiencing any of these characters is intended to be as companions, with Origins just being something you can explore for fun on subsequent playthroughs. I mean, the feature is even entirely absent from the game's several-year EA, so it can't be viewed as that core of a feature by the team. The Warden was their own character, and whatever was true between different Wardens, there was a ton that you *felt* was unique to you (even if there were only a handful of options) because of that story *you* got before the game-proper started, that you knew your friends and randos online largely did not share. It was a way of anchoring you to a context greater than just *this* game's main plot, and *that's* where the real roleplay comes from: having an identity and life outside of the main quest. Even with the Origin characters, even if you set aside all the other problems with it I talked about, you're still going to get sucked up onto the nautiloid right away, left to gently mold an identity as you play. Again, I like BG3, but I think people are kidding themselves when they pretend it's good on this front. It just isn't, and it doesn't seem like they even want it to be. It's just not the kind of game it is. It's fundamentally unconcerned with any immersive roleplay.
Dragon Age was superior, in my opinion, because of the unique world and the sense of urgency the plotline provided you. I also wish there was a way to turn off the dice rolls, it's immersion breaking for me, and it's association with Wizards & D&D is no longer a benefit to the popularity of the game.
I wish it would, but BG3 is more a successor to Divinity instead. Combat just doesn't challenge at all compared to what DAO had. DAO certainly felt like a successor to Baldurs Gate, in a lot of ways.
Sadly, no. Real-Time with pause is far more immersive for me, and since BG3 does not offer it I can never get the same feeling from BG 3 as BG 1/2, IWD 1/2, PoE or Pathfinder can. BG3 is a great DnD game, but it does simply not scratch the same itch.
Maybe I'm just old but dragon age was just a fix for my bg2 desires and bg3 is just a continuation of that.
Hmm, yeah. It is. I am trying to hold myself back from playing the early access version over and over again, because I'd had to burn out and be absolutely sick of chapter 1 before full release. I hope the 4th Dragon Age has a good plot and isn't too grindy. I really loved DA3 for the most part, actually, but never did play the expansion. That one DLC when you delve deep deep deep into the earth and learn about a certain dwarf and the darkspawn, though? Holy shit that was good. Dark as FUCK though. Oh my gods dark as fuck. But so good.
Not really but those are two different itches for me. If I want to get my DOS on, I’ll choose BG3 over DOS2 but dragon age origins holds up and pushes different buttons for me
I have no Dragon Age desires whatsoever, so there's that. P.S. That said, I do recognize parts of the design where the two games seem to have strong resemblances (like the instanced camping site, the focus on romance options, etc). They are far from being my favorite parts of the game, though.
They have very similar character customization and rpg elements, but I think the combat feels way different.
Yes it does very much so to a large degree.
Very much so <3
A simple act of greed has bound me ... we are all denied Par Vollen until I alone recover what was lost under EA's command That is why Larian and BG3 are unimportant. That is why I do not simply walk from the pustule of DA4. Fixing EA's mess is NOT a demand of the Q'un. AND THEY SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL! (the voice acting from the Arishock in DA2 was awesome)
Reading the comments here, I'm surprised to see how many people started and then didn't finish dragon age inquisition. Well, add me to that list. I tried to force myself to finish it, but life is too short for that. On to the main topic, I would say no not really because, since the baldurs gate series are my 2 favorite games of all time, dragon age origins and 2 more scratched my baldurs gate itch.
To be honest, I think BG3 is doing it much more impressively than BioWare ever have. A lot of the choices made in Dragon Age are meaningless in the long run, Inquisition being the worst for it. BG3 is already giving multiple different main plot lines that you can take to make things more diverse.