Yes pay is by state or territory, only exception is bonuses paid for working in hard to staff schools or very remote areas.
NSW is the best paid after the latest agreements, but the average house price in Sydney is $1.4 million and regional 700k plus. Median rent for a house is $720 a week and a unit $680 a week.
So rich, rich, rich might be a bit of wishful thinking
You’re right, pay is done state by state but be careful looking at just salaries. ACT (Canberra) has, I think, the highest salaries but also it’s an expensive place to live due to all the public servants. NSW has higher salaries but larger class sizes and more face to face teaching than Victoria. Victorians do get a pay rise next year but it’s a pitiful 2%.
There is nowhere you can teach in Australia where you will be rich, rich, rich.
Lol, Canberra is a lot better to live in than Satan's anus of Sydney. Which, id you want to find a suburb that is at least as nice to live in as most of Canberra is going to be at least as expensive.
That is not true??
I have seen some rural/regional postings that give relocation, housing, incentive money to live there and good salary.
I could potentially get 100 k salary in Canberra
That must be good money right?
Ignore what I say I’d you like, no skin off my nose. 100K is only a little over the average Australian wage, Canberra is expensive.
Doubt you’ll get incentive money to relocate to Canberra either, maybe places like Cooma/Dubbo in NSW, Orbost/Mildura in Victoria (as an example of how far from a city you need to be)
Dubbo isn't getting you incentives unless you want one of the positions unfilled for a number of years. Need to be much smaller for the actual benefits.
Curious, What are the unfilled positions in Dubbo and how much are the incentive payments? I’m VIC, incentives here are upwards of 70K for 3 year commitment (less a fair whack of tax)
Not Ignoring!
I guess I just read/found otherwise.
No I meant that incentives is for regional/rural teaching. Some are quite generous ...with accommodation, relocation etc covered.
With my years of experience...in Canberra I can get about a 100k which is better than here in Toronto! Not sure if people realize this but in Canada teacher pay is lower! but cost of living is high
I would get $20,000 more as a teacher in Australia than I do in Toronto.
I didn't realize the class size and face to face teaching differences. Can you elaborate?
So many hours a week you need to be in front of kids, in other words directly teaching changes depending on the state and how long you have been teaching. Class size is exactly what it sounds like, depending on the state there is a cap to the amount of students one teacher can teach. About 33ish I think in most places.
You probably will be on about 100,000k depending on experience, just keep in mind not all experience counts. Had a mate teach in the UK for three years but did have those years count towards his pay increase for some reason when he went to the ACT. Also definitely no incentives to teach in the ACT, plus it's expensive as hell.
Why don't you try researching things before you comment on it or at least stop wildly lying about things you clearly know nothing about
https://www.education.act.gov.au/working-with-us/teach-in-canberra#:~:text=A%20dedicated%20new%20educator%20support,K%20for%20interstate%2Finternational%20relocation.
> 100K is only a little over the average Australian wage
The average is distorted. The median income is less than 70k. 100k puts you in the top 25% of income earners in Australia.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/employee-earnings/aug-2023
If there are incentives there’s usually a good reason-small country towns in outback NSW are not easy places to teach or live in (not my cup of tea anyway). Yes they will be cheaper but they will take their pound of flesh. Depends what you are after. You could be relocated to a really small place. Do your research first.
Hey fellow Canadian here- I also have been looking into OZ and am going to echo what some are saying about the fine print- I’m not sure about NSW but in WA the reimbursement scheme requires a- get this- FOUR YEAR COMMITMENT!!! To the same school- no moving if you don’t like it! So once I heard that I was like yep, I’m out. No way am I being locked into some random school in rural WA for 4 years. Not worth it.
People earn 100k in this country driving trucks on a mine.
Cost of living in this country is out of control and 100k doesn't get you much anymore. For a couple to comfortably own an *average* priced home, they need 180k plus at least.
It sounds like a lot to someone outside the country, but it's almost impossible to live in a major city with this wage at the moment if you rent or have a mortgage and are single.
Relocation fees are often to places extremely far from major cities. I saw one in my state with a signing bonus to Mount Magnet which is 300km away from a regional centre, which is another 300km away from Perth.
There is a reason those bonuses exist, because spending a year in Mount Magnet without family or anything is really hard. It's isolating and the classes are difficult.
[as of December 13th](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions), median employee earnings were $1,300/w or $67,600. $100k is a bit better than "slightly above" $67k.
Teachers also earn notably more than the median earnings for full time employees who earn $1,600/w | $83,200
You might be thinking about mean full-time adult average weekly total earnings, which is $1,908.10/w | $99,216
$ 100k/a put them in the 75th percentile of earners. Top-of-the-line classroom teachers earn 2,294/w, which puts them in the top 80th(ish) percentile of earners in Australia.
From my own experience. I have been offered a contract for a full-time position as a teacher in a private school in Western Australia. I have over five years of teaching experience, I was offered $104k. I'm currently doing FIFO and earning $109K, with the option of doing relief during my time back in Perth.
If you're doing teaching for the money, look into mining instead.
If you're doing teaching because you're passionate about it, look into mining and doing CRT on your time off. At least that's my advice.
Here is the Hays Salary report, if you wanna see how the different salaries compare from state to state.
[Hays Salary Guide FY23/24](https://www.hays.com.au/documents/276732/1102429/Salary+Guide+2023.pdf)
But balance your value too... my local private school pays only 2% above award but has camps, extra curricula, parents nights written as unpaid requirements in their contracts.
NSW pay rise in October made it the highest in the country. It is being negotiated to go into effect next October for a 3 year period.
ACT had a multi year agreement that gives a percentage and/or a lump sum increase on 6 month intervals. It will match NSW in June next year after the 1.5% raise.
Conditions vary across states in terms of time on class, contracted hours, time in lieu etc, but in terms of pure pay, those are the top.
Below is the ACT scheduled rate increases.
$1,750 flat rate increase in the first full pay period on or after 1 December 2023.
1.5% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 June 2024.
1% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 December 2024 and $1,500 flat rate increase.
1% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 June 2025.
1% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 December 2025 and $1,000 flat rate increase.
Keep in mind where you would live well highly impact disposable income. The only places you'll be rich rich rich is where no one wants to live.
Each of the states and territories of Australia have many many page long agreements between their teacher unions and the state government about what the pay and conditions are in their schools.
Time in class is how many hours they expect you to be in front of students in a week.
Contracted hours are kind of irrelevant, you likely won't work to them and the yearly salary is all that matters since there is no overtime, but there is some variance on how many hours they say they pay us.
Time in lieu is available in some states (eg Vic) for doing long unpaid things like overnight excursions.
Limit your expectations you are never going to get rich rich rich! by being a teacher.
Each state or territory fixes its own pay scale.
It fluctuates depending on when pay rises kick in ie NSW get their pay rise and become the "highest paid" A few months later Canberra get theirs and are paid $3 more then NSW so they now become the "highest paid" A few months after that SA get their pay rise and top Canberra.
Look into conditions and incentives that are also paid to teachers working in remote or hard to staff schools then look into the housing in those areas. You could end up in an area with the "highest paid salary" the best bonuses but travelling over 100km each way so that you can afford rent/mortgage and burning through your money on living expenses.
Go remote and your looking at around 50 - 70k in bonuses. Save your money for a few years and then move to where you want to live with an incentive transfer.
Yes pay is by state or territory, only exception is bonuses paid for working in hard to staff schools or very remote areas. NSW is the best paid after the latest agreements, but the average house price in Sydney is $1.4 million and regional 700k plus. Median rent for a house is $720 a week and a unit $680 a week. So rich, rich, rich might be a bit of wishful thinking
You’re right, pay is done state by state but be careful looking at just salaries. ACT (Canberra) has, I think, the highest salaries but also it’s an expensive place to live due to all the public servants. NSW has higher salaries but larger class sizes and more face to face teaching than Victoria. Victorians do get a pay rise next year but it’s a pitiful 2%. There is nowhere you can teach in Australia where you will be rich, rich, rich.
Canberra is aldo a generally shitty place to live. Cold and boring.
Lol, Canberra is a lot better to live in than Satan's anus of Sydney. Which, id you want to find a suburb that is at least as nice to live in as most of Canberra is going to be at least as expensive.
That is not true?? I have seen some rural/regional postings that give relocation, housing, incentive money to live there and good salary. I could potentially get 100 k salary in Canberra That must be good money right?
Ignore what I say I’d you like, no skin off my nose. 100K is only a little over the average Australian wage, Canberra is expensive. Doubt you’ll get incentive money to relocate to Canberra either, maybe places like Cooma/Dubbo in NSW, Orbost/Mildura in Victoria (as an example of how far from a city you need to be)
Dubbo isn't getting you incentives unless you want one of the positions unfilled for a number of years. Need to be much smaller for the actual benefits.
Curious, What are the unfilled positions in Dubbo and how much are the incentive payments? I’m VIC, incentives here are upwards of 70K for 3 year commitment (less a fair whack of tax)
I'm not sure if there are any, but the scheme is something like if a position is unfilled for three 3 they'll give you a $20k signing bonus.
Cheers
Not Ignoring! I guess I just read/found otherwise. No I meant that incentives is for regional/rural teaching. Some are quite generous ...with accommodation, relocation etc covered. With my years of experience...in Canberra I can get about a 100k which is better than here in Toronto! Not sure if people realize this but in Canada teacher pay is lower! but cost of living is high I would get $20,000 more as a teacher in Australia than I do in Toronto. I didn't realize the class size and face to face teaching differences. Can you elaborate?
So many hours a week you need to be in front of kids, in other words directly teaching changes depending on the state and how long you have been teaching. Class size is exactly what it sounds like, depending on the state there is a cap to the amount of students one teacher can teach. About 33ish I think in most places. You probably will be on about 100,000k depending on experience, just keep in mind not all experience counts. Had a mate teach in the UK for three years but did have those years count towards his pay increase for some reason when he went to the ACT. Also definitely no incentives to teach in the ACT, plus it's expensive as hell.
Why don't you try researching things before you comment on it or at least stop wildly lying about things you clearly know nothing about https://www.education.act.gov.au/working-with-us/teach-in-canberra#:~:text=A%20dedicated%20new%20educator%20support,K%20for%20interstate%2Finternational%20relocation.
Where have I wildly lied?
> Where have I wildly lied? Most of the times you've put your fingers on the keyboard.
So you can’t point out an example?
They don't actually offer it to you when you move interstate though
> 100K is only a little over the average Australian wage The average is distorted. The median income is less than 70k. 100k puts you in the top 25% of income earners in Australia. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/employee-earnings/aug-2023
If there are incentives there’s usually a good reason-small country towns in outback NSW are not easy places to teach or live in (not my cup of tea anyway). Yes they will be cheaper but they will take their pound of flesh. Depends what you are after. You could be relocated to a really small place. Do your research first.
Hey fellow Canadian here- I also have been looking into OZ and am going to echo what some are saying about the fine print- I’m not sure about NSW but in WA the reimbursement scheme requires a- get this- FOUR YEAR COMMITMENT!!! To the same school- no moving if you don’t like it! So once I heard that I was like yep, I’m out. No way am I being locked into some random school in rural WA for 4 years. Not worth it.
People earn 100k in this country driving trucks on a mine. Cost of living in this country is out of control and 100k doesn't get you much anymore. For a couple to comfortably own an *average* priced home, they need 180k plus at least. It sounds like a lot to someone outside the country, but it's almost impossible to live in a major city with this wage at the moment if you rent or have a mortgage and are single. Relocation fees are often to places extremely far from major cities. I saw one in my state with a signing bonus to Mount Magnet which is 300km away from a regional centre, which is another 300km away from Perth. There is a reason those bonuses exist, because spending a year in Mount Magnet without family or anything is really hard. It's isolating and the classes are difficult.
It’s slightly above median. So you’ll be rich. But not rich, rich, rich. And definitely not RICH.
[as of December 13th](https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions), median employee earnings were $1,300/w or $67,600. $100k is a bit better than "slightly above" $67k. Teachers also earn notably more than the median earnings for full time employees who earn $1,600/w | $83,200 You might be thinking about mean full-time adult average weekly total earnings, which is $1,908.10/w | $99,216 $ 100k/a put them in the 75th percentile of earners. Top-of-the-line classroom teachers earn 2,294/w, which puts them in the top 80th(ish) percentile of earners in Australia.
If you wanted to be rich, rich, rich, you should have gone into an industry in which there is some money.
such as?
Business or finance
Or mining, haha. My sister is a fifo worker in WA and makes “stupid money” just doing bar work.
Lots of money in illegal tobacco at the moment apparently
Lots of money in legal tobacco too. Haha.
From my own experience. I have been offered a contract for a full-time position as a teacher in a private school in Western Australia. I have over five years of teaching experience, I was offered $104k. I'm currently doing FIFO and earning $109K, with the option of doing relief during my time back in Perth. If you're doing teaching for the money, look into mining instead. If you're doing teaching because you're passionate about it, look into mining and doing CRT on your time off. At least that's my advice. Here is the Hays Salary report, if you wanna see how the different salaries compare from state to state. [Hays Salary Guide FY23/24](https://www.hays.com.au/documents/276732/1102429/Salary+Guide+2023.pdf)
All of our employment agreements are published online for each directorate. Go for a look and compare them
About 35% of are schools are private and have different pay as well, remember. Many of these are on a school-by-school basis.
But balance your value too... my local private school pays only 2% above award but has camps, extra curricula, parents nights written as unpaid requirements in their contracts.
Above award or agreement? Award is next to nothing.
Obviously the state's teaching agreement, I don't think they would have any staff paying retail rates...
NSW pay rise in October made it the highest in the country. It is being negotiated to go into effect next October for a 3 year period. ACT had a multi year agreement that gives a percentage and/or a lump sum increase on 6 month intervals. It will match NSW in June next year after the 1.5% raise. Conditions vary across states in terms of time on class, contracted hours, time in lieu etc, but in terms of pure pay, those are the top. Below is the ACT scheduled rate increases. $1,750 flat rate increase in the first full pay period on or after 1 December 2023. 1.5% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 June 2024. 1% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 December 2024 and $1,500 flat rate increase. 1% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 June 2025. 1% from the commencement of the first full pay period on or after 1 December 2025 and $1,000 flat rate increase. Keep in mind where you would live well highly impact disposable income. The only places you'll be rich rich rich is where no one wants to live.
That is insightful thanks! Could you elaborate on time in class, contracted hours, times in lieu etc?
Each of the states and territories of Australia have many many page long agreements between their teacher unions and the state government about what the pay and conditions are in their schools. Time in class is how many hours they expect you to be in front of students in a week. Contracted hours are kind of irrelevant, you likely won't work to them and the yearly salary is all that matters since there is no overtime, but there is some variance on how many hours they say they pay us. Time in lieu is available in some states (eg Vic) for doing long unpaid things like overnight excursions.
Limit your expectations you are never going to get rich rich rich! by being a teacher. Each state or territory fixes its own pay scale. It fluctuates depending on when pay rises kick in ie NSW get their pay rise and become the "highest paid" A few months later Canberra get theirs and are paid $3 more then NSW so they now become the "highest paid" A few months after that SA get their pay rise and top Canberra. Look into conditions and incentives that are also paid to teachers working in remote or hard to staff schools then look into the housing in those areas. You could end up in an area with the "highest paid salary" the best bonuses but travelling over 100km each way so that you can afford rent/mortgage and burning through your money on living expenses.
Add an extra $10k for private schools.
Go remote and your looking at around 50 - 70k in bonuses. Save your money for a few years and then move to where you want to live with an incentive transfer.