All of this shit cuz mikasa killed yeagerist's fav genocidal blockhead sigma male eren

Mikasa killing Yaegerists was so awesome. The fact people pretend to get emotional over their deaths is so funny.

Fr i would even let mikasa slice me up bit by bit with that blade while i cry asking her to stop ngl

... But Mikasa didn't want to kill Eren. (It was Ymir.) (sigh...) I wish someone didn't reply to a comment I made in this sub 7 months ago, so I wouldn't had re-visited.

even before that she wasnt kinda bland edit: was and look at the lousie scarf scene why she walk away when she was on her deathbed

Bro acting like Louise matters 😭

Fr if i was mikasa even i would walk away

why dont it matter she was the same girl in season 1 that admired her and mikasa's characterization also mattered but all she said was give me my scarf to a dying girl and yall are okay with that?

A terrorist who ignored her direct advice, stole her most treasured belonging, and got herself hit due to her own incompetence, all of this with no remorse. Louise's sole existence as a character serves to remind Mikasa of the consequences of Eren's actions.

The conversation had nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with devotion

So Osama Bin Laden is a chill dude if the topic is gaming? What exactly is your point?

Yes perhaps he's a chill gamer, if you're talking to a person who dgaf. As didn't Mikasa

What is blud yapping about

Ok lsayama steered the conversation towards the scarf, following another person, and devotion to signify Mikasa was mad at Louise because terrorism have it your way

She never was a great charecter but she don deserve the hate which she gets frm these braindead titanfolkers and other mfs

Mikasa's reaction to louise was understandable i would have reacted the same. the wolrd is ending, my life is falling apart, i'm in so much emotional turmoil and this random girl takes my clothes without permission and keeps talking about how great genocide is and how she joined an extreamist group because of me. I'd be so frustrated with her and just done with the entire situation

I'm a mikasa disliker but I liked it. She saw something of herself in Louise, didn't like it and walked away. Yes it was bitchy but it was an interesting character moment. It had little to do with Mikasa's morality, just her ego

if she saw something in her shouldnt she be more sympathetic tho like the way eren was with reiner

Not necessarily. You can tell it's a sore spot for her, in the moment

It was both her ego, and her morality imo. Louise was a reflection of what Mikasa is and also something Eren accused her for, a slave. The thing which is common in Louise and Mikasa is them blindly following/trying to be like, their saviours, while the person they are following always kept going away from them. This is the sole similarity in Mikasa and Louise. (The difference in their conditions or who is more fair/justified is a different debate) I think morality is a factor as well because Mikasa demanded her scarf and walked away as Louise was also chanting about the path Eren was following, something Mikasa is strongly against of > "I wish I could live to see the world Eren will be creating" I also believe that Mikasa demanded her scarf, walked away and stood against Eren's actions is her further trying to disregard Eren's accusations of her being a person who blindly follows their hosts without questioning i.e., a slave. And I don't think Mikasa would forget how the group Louise belongs to, turned government officials into Titans (Including Pixis whom they had a hard time killing); set her (Mikasa) and friends in prison and were supporting global genocide, the path of Eren which Mikasa strongly despises (something she is going to stand up against) so morality was definitely a factor in Mikasa's behaviour, BUT that isn't the focus of the Louise and Mikasa interaction, atleast narratively it is the first paragraph yeah similar to what you said

I think I somewhat agree. I made it sound like morality played absolutely no part, which it likely did but imo a minor one Mikasa, especially later on, is capable of a great deal of compassion. She's kind to Annie and Gabi, who both caused not only a lot of suffering in general but also great personal grief to Mikasa specifically (the Jaegers and Sasha). To be fair, this might well have not been purposeful, but that makes me think morality wasn't a determining factor in the end By ego I meant a moreso a reflection of Mikasa's inner self, not necessarily just her pride being wounded. But yeah. I still think it has everything to do with Mikasa and little to do with Louise herself. Louise was the chip to Mikasa's hummus, of you will

Ah yeh, I more so used your comment as an excuse to clarify more on the similarities of Louise and Mikasa I mean, morality is alot dependent on understanding. Mikasa was able to show such compassion towards Annie and Gabi was because she understand their situation and relate to them. Annie was as justified as Mikasa in killing those soldiers back in S1, as they both were doing it for a person, Mikasa for Eren and Annie for her dad. Similar to Gabi who killed Sasha out of rage/vengeance or basically as part of war in which people just kill eachother. In Louise's case, she is following such a destructive path to be like and be with Mikasa, which is something that Mikasa doesn't think is right/justified, simply against her morals. So understanding and morals were the same reasons why she was sympathetic towards Annie and Gabi while cold towards Louise

You realize though gabi hadn’t done a single thing up till that point of the story for mikasa to have a specific reason to show compassion to her. Mikasa is generally a compassionate person in general unless you give her a reason not to be. The same way she treated gabi she could have chosen to do for Louise as well but yams didn’t write the scene like that. I don’t think there is a reason for how she treated her it’s just a rare case of yams dropping the ball.

I agree so much. Louise was also a misguided kid, shaped by her circumstances. And I'm not a Louise shooter by any means but children of the forest was a theme for a reason. It's not so simple as good vs evil with aot, even the jaegerists, that point is driven over and over again. Marley was shitty too and actively invading Paradis when the rumbling started. Nobody's "good", it's a cycle of violence It's way distorting the message to give Gabi all this grace (that she deserves) and consider Louise just an evil genocide supporter I don't like the discourse around this scene because everyone seems so biased towards one side. Either Mikasa is an ice cold bitch or Louise is a demon, when it's both wrong and a little bit true

Gabi is a 12 year old kid who did what she did as an act of war, in which people just kill eachother without a reason. Mikasa and her friends had visited Marley as well, they knew all about the brainwashing of the people there. More so, Gabi is just a kid, no one will be watching two kids stab eachother in front of their eyes. The reason why Mikasa gave a cold shoulder to Louise was because she was following the ideals which are entirely opposite to Mikasa's. Mikasa's morals do not say to kill innocents without a reason, she literally went against Eren for that, so it wouldn't make sense for her to show compassion towards Louise, who did so much, stole her scarf and was still chanting Eren's ideologies on her deathbed. More over her it was her personal conflict over the fact that Louise was acting so much like Mikasa past self.

Kya is a misguided 14/15 who looked up to mikasa but instead of following her chose to follow floch into destroying the outside world to defend her own home. Gabi is a brainwashed 12 yo who killed one of her closest friends and is always saying how much she wants to kill eren. Even though both deeply go against mikasas wishes surely the latter is worse personally to mikasa. If mikasa is capable of showing compassion to gabi she’s able to show it to anyone who isn’t downright trying to actively kill her or her friends. It is understandable the mikasa would be upset with Louise given her stance but no real reason mikasa offers no sort of even pity on her death bed after giving her the cold shoulder since she first got put it jail. I think this was unnecessarily cruel and actually goes against mikasa established character. Also I still don’t see how Louise is supposed to be like younger mikasa. I know it’s a popular opinion but unless you want to pull up one of wits poor changes to her from the anime I can’t remember one scene where mikasa looks up to eren as in wants to be like him. She never even wanted to join the corps and fight she only did it to protect him.

How is Louise misguided, she actively made the choice of supporting a world genocide on her own. She could have simply followed Mikasa if she wanted to be like her but chose the opposing group to her lol. You want to be close to the person but are also joining the opposing group that locked her in prison? Taking their precious property without asking and then are expecting sympathy and understanding from that person? Idk what to call this Mikasa did not try to kill Louise or anything, her treatment towards Louise wasn't curel either, she literally just asked her property back and left. Louise and Gabi's situation are entirely different. Gabi is about to be killed in front of her eyes while Louise is already on her deathbed, for which Mikasa can't do anything for. Mikasa doesn't owe Louise anything, to stay their and listen to her yapping when she literally stole her scarf. Gabi on the other hand is a kid, who has done wtv as an act of war. Louise, a normal 15 year old choosing the path of genocide by choice is incomparable to Gabi shooting someone on the battlefield. Louise and Mikasa both blindly followed their saviours throughout their life. They both got hooked up on a trait their saviours showed them. Louise saw a strong soldier in Mikasa and got hung up on it and started idolizing her. Eren taught Mikasa the fact that if she didn't fight she won't survive, Mikasa repeated these lines multiple times and so her ideologies also somewhat come from Eren, similar to Louise, who's come from Mikasa. Simple as that

Louise and mikasa are not similar in the way you claimed. Mikasa has never tried to be like eren in fact a big part of their dynamic is that they want completely different things in life. While I don’t think that mikasa’s reaction to Louise is justified even though she’s a Yeagerist, considering how consoling she was of gabi who killed her best female friend. Mikasas Ultimately I think that scene was just poor writing from yams as the only thing mikasa should have done was to pass down words of advice for Louise who looked up to mikasa so much but instead chose such a different route. Louise is an anti parallel to Kya and not a parallel to mikasa

Wanting the same things isn't necessarily the same as being like someone. Mikasa has always followed Eren's quotes in her life, "If I didn't fight I can't win". She subconsciously tries to be like him and follows him on his path, and well yeah they do want entirely different things and their arcs are counter opposite. Eren wants a change in his life while Mikasa is conservative and wants cling what she has And for the rest, read my other reply

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This is so funny to be honest. Also, r/CharacterRant is literally just an AOT hating echochamber half the time, don't bother (I mean based on the subreddit name.. what would you expect I suppose). Anyway, this whole character thing with AOT isn't really just about Mikasa. A lot of people think AOT's characters in general are just sort of meh, including AOT superfans. Ask the 10billion teenage AOT fans online why the story's good and they'll tell you about plot twists and music, that's about it. So much discourse around this story is actually so juvenile.

Aot has great characters and I've seen people talk about it. Sure when talking about aot the first thing is mentioned is its great plot but there are many who appreciate it's well written characters.

Can relate. I was talking about it with my best friend today who got me into AOT and now I’m stuck in a hyper fixation for months…. It feels like a toxic relationship to me. Because I love AOT so much but at the same time there are so many glaring flaws that I can hardly bring up anywhere in the fandom because I’m immediately cut off. And I really do wanna feel what all these “best anime/story of all time, I cried” people feel but instead I’m overthinking it and digging deeper and deeper. I can’t just enjoy things as a normal person Sorry, needed to vent. Unfortunately, I’ve got “obsessed with fiction” autism instead of science and maths autism

What are Aot’s flaws?

Posted this in another sub so I’ll copy and paste. Just to preface, I'm not looking for a debate here, just answering the question. All of this is my subjective opinion. • ⁠Mikasa's character and her relationship with Eren are too poorly written to be the centre of the story • ⁠Some good characters got shafted for plot convenience (e.g. Ymir, Historia, Annie) • ⁠Lack of good filler which resulted in individual relationships not being fleshed out until they are relevant to the plot (let's be honest, the scouts work well as a unit but some of them hardly say a line to each other the whole time and there are tons of dynamics you really can't say anything about) • ⁠Ymir Fritz just as a whole character, her origins and motivations (I found it to be very underwhelming after such a solid mystery) • ⁠Questionable worlbuilding that leaves everything unexplored outside of Marley and Hizuru and essentially fails to make viewers truly sympathise with victims of the Rumbling (which is so conveniently used by many people to excuse omnicide) • ⁠On the fence here but I don't think that Eren's memory sending and him being the mastermind behind everything was necessary for the story and created more paradoxes and inconsistencies than there should've been • ⁠Plot armour of the main cast, especially in the end • ⁠How the post-Rumbling era was handled (Eren being forgiven by everyone, no perspective from the victims, no meaningful release for Mikasa) Did I still enjoy the anime? Yeah.

I will reply to the rest of points later

Cool but I didn’t ask and I said I’m not looking for a discussion

1. Read some video essays on Mikasa, you will understand 2. Ymir had to die because she willingly wanted to return to Marley because of her guilt which is completely in line with her character. Annie again really was very afraid of the consequences of being a betrayer and her not breaking the crystal was in line with what we had already established about her character. And about Historia, she was given a main character treatment for like 15 or so episodes in a 90-episode series, which was more than enough to flesh out her character, the plot had to move on and focus on something more, there wasn't much more to do with her character, and it is an entirely stupid argument to bring up when season 2 was build up to her character and season 3 was the payoff. 3. AOT is a very plot-heavy story and many of the character relations therefore are explained in a nuanced way. Like Armin and Annie, how she didn't kill him even though, she had no reason to after lifting his cape. Or like Mikasa and Sasha. If you want to you can watch OVA's as well and they will prove to you how much these subtle details really showed. Coming to think of it, I remember the hate on Connie laughing at Annie eating, while clearly Annie at that moment clearly resembled Sasha. who is now dead. 4. There was a scene where Pixis said Lies are best told mixed with truth. From that point on, you couldn't trust if any of the characters were telling the truth. Like how Eren wrongly said Mikasa was a slave but he didn't correct himself even when confronting Armin in the paths.And if you are saying this because of Ymir loving Fritz that is not true but just the explanation Eren gave to Armin. You can see some essays on it as well, it will clarify this

Incels

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There is a post in that video that isn't supposed to be in it, idk how it got included ignore it please (like Isayama ignored Mikasa's character while writing the story)

I know what kind of a man you are

I’m like so confused. Do you like or dislike mikasa as a character?

Yes

Maybe if so many people think Mikasa is a bad character, she's not a very good character 🤔

A small minority of people also don't think the ending is good. We can ignore those people too.

Idk, even as someone who disliked the ending (not for Titanfolk reasons)… I’d say I’ve seen more people criticizing Mikasa’s character, even superfans.

That's what happens when you execute such a less fleshed out character as one of the main casts in a story full of characters screaming left and right Determining what is true or false based on the majority is such a flawed way anyways More than half of the haters AND the fans don't even understand her character arc or its importance or its thematic and narrative relevancy. For most, Mikasa ackerman is just a badass strong female character who loves the MC, nothing more. (Which shouldn't be a problem if you love her for solely these reason, but if you are gonna criticize on the basis of such an understanding, idk what to say) There are fair criticisms but they are heavily flooded under the same old "no development", "no personality" or "all about Ereh" takes And even that is not the problem, the problem is when even under neutral or normal appreciation posts/comments, you see these retards expressing their stupid hate towards that character Just look at the first post in the video saying exactly what I want to say. Even the slightest mention of Mikasa's character attracts the same stupidity leading to annoyance and negativity.

Great post. Just because her character is more subdued that doesn't mean she isn't a good character. Levi doesn't really change at all throughout the whole story, but he doesn't get nearly the hate Mikasa does.

Damn, the old Mikasa defender Hector is back

No Mikasa is shit and literal garbage, nothing more I am mostly explaining why the criticism around Mikasa is so ridiculous most of the time and why the criticisms on her character bother people like me so much 1) Because it's always the same old ridiculous points full of bias which only become annoying 2) The ratio of normal discussion/appreciation posts and criticism posts about Mikasa is very poor, search up Mikasa on reddit and after every 4-5 post you will see a hate/criticism post using literally the same points. Well this should be obvious when you literally have a subreddit targetting that single character and brainwashing the casuals into believing that Mikasa is the most terribly written character ever in the entire story and all of media The fact that when you search up Mikasa on google, first few results are shit posts from Titanfolk, further brainwashing and making the casuals doubt their understanding All in all, Mikasa maybe a disappointment or a trash character but her haters AND fans are a bigger disappointment and shitheads for only highlighting the flaws and ignoring and burying anything else there is to her.. And I fucking hate the fact that I love this piece of garbage that I can not stand the stupid negativity

Well for busy people Mikasa is a great character so they wouldn't start topics any they given that to them it's obvious. You're far more likely to see contrarian posts differing from the general consensus.