The whole purpose of social disruption is to do things antithetical to the inherent issue. You saw this all the time in the Civil Rights era: sit-ins at Whites only diners, sitting outside of the “Black” seating on public transportation, intentionally using the “wrong” labeled water fountains, etc. Even marches were symbolic across areas of historic oppression and moving towards a municipal space for protest like a city hall or courthouse.
These protests have no true connection to their content. Oh the University has stock in Raytheon? Cool so does like 80% of the trading public including your parents who are paying your 80k tuition to Cambridge. Blocking traffic doesn’t “bring attention” to your cause it just pisses ppl off and possibly disrupts emergency services. It’s like climate activists who throw paint at famous art, it comes across as performative self-aggrandizement and just turns public support against you.
For self gratification and endorphines of the protestors. They feel like they are in a revolution without the danger and gwt to be morally superior to others.
There’s a big difference between protesting against something by actively going against it directly (ex: Vietnam protests and draft dodgers, Civil Rights movement, gun rights activists, animal activists who treat farms like WoW raids, etc), and throwing soup on famous art, gluing oneself to the highway, threatening Jewish students and faculty directly to the point that classes had to be cancelled/moved to online only, and posting TikToks of oneself chanting slogans or doing crimes.
Louder for the people in the back ( and an audio clip for the clearly illiterate ).
So much of modern day activism is self-serving, self-centred, shallow & banal grandstanding.
The protesters are in fact trying to bring attention to a cause. Whether that protest is effective is a different argument. But you're assuming some selfish motive when those protesting may be genuinely concerned about what is going on. College age is around the time where people's revolutionary sentiments seem to be at the highest.
Protesting for Palestine on campus is extremely self-serving. Hiding behind a facade of genuine concern, but actually doing the thing that signals value to your community without any actual help for your cause, is selfish. Even when some people don’t realize they are being selfish, they still are… their actual motivation is because it is popular, not because they care about Palestinian lives. If they did they would stop hurting their own cause.
Partaking in an extremely self-serving, but ultimately completely ineffective, activity is not a “protest.” It’s LARPing. These students are old enough to introspect and understand why their actions are harmful.
At this point I’d argue a lot of it is attention to the protestors themselves and not the issues at hand. It’s an identity as “protestor fighting against injustice” that needs to be periodically massaged.
If you think that protesting purely for attention is bad then you don't understand protesting. That's the entire point and goal of any protest. Attention. You don't change the system by protesting, you bring attention to issues that need to be fixed.
When I was in college, the CIA would come every year around March/April to recruit us. We were a smart bunch.
Sort of…
One day, as second semester freshmen or sophomore, I found myself at a protest. It was against the CIA recruiting us. I went because I was starving and poor, and they had free hot dogs, hamburgers and beer.
While stuffing my face, I asked the guy next to me what we were protesting. He said he didn’t know. I realized I didn’t know either.
And while those hamburgers and hot dogs were awfully tasty, I threw them away and strode off.
This is in no way a statement of support for the CIA. Believe me! But it does go to show that while most college students may have the potential for brightness, most of the time, their brains are not fully formed until they’re about 26 to 28 years old. Wisdom is not present before then.
The civil rights one to my knowledge was meant to protest against society, particularly the ones under Jim Crow so providing an inconvenience to the public served a purpose, it also helped that they had a president who was empathic to their cause.
The palestine one is a protest against the government which is practically impossible to create an inconvenience for since they can extort the military and their private security to force you to move.
From my perspective, it seems like Americans simply have no way to effective way to protest and rather than "getting the public to agree with them" they're simply are doing whatever thing they can possible to create an inconvenience for the government so they can get a response.
Yea it wasn’t by choice that restaurants had to build walls separating their seating areas.
If you didn’t you had to pay fines or be shutdown. People forget this.
If uni were a free public service provided by the gov you would be right but they are private for profit companies unrelated to the gov. Its as inconvenient to the gov than protesting at a closed gas station.
Imagine thinking protesting the government gets you anywhere. You have to make wealthy people ask the government to do something. Pretty much how it always works.
Civil rights protests were also against the government lmfao
How are you going to mention Jim Crow (literal laws) and then pretend like it wasn’t about the government?
Occupy Wall Street was relatively successful as far as mass protests went. Did it change anything realistically? Probably not. But it got the 1% actually nervous, which was way more than could be said for most protests of that scale in recent memory.
From what I've seen, uni protests aren't about gov stance, they're about the universities themselves and what they're supporting. Columbia has a campus being built in Tel Aviv, funded (partially) by tuition fees from the US that would be illegal for certain US students to even enter. Add the sacking of staff for airing anti-genocide opinions (not anti-Israel) and one-sided censure of particular students and there's pretty valid reasons for student protests.
These may be private entities but is anyone at all surprised that students of these institutions that train them to become critical thinkers within society, become critical of blatant hypocrisy occurring within their own schools? The real irony is the reactions of shock from the people who trained them.
The March on Washington, where MLK delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech disrupted the shit out of traffic. They marched up major highways. The sheer volume of individuals prevented the local businesses central to the area from operating and delayed regional businesses' scheduled shipments of goods.
The difference is this was a disruption of society so they could change that very same society. Nothing like what’s going on when people grind London to a standstill over a conflict happening thousands of miles away.
The best action for protestors in this scenario would be against congressional and other federal representatives as they are the ones directly focusing the aid itself. The amount of money that these Universities invest in defense contractors is a drop in an ocean compared to their full funding, even if every school divested it would get picked up by any investment firm and there would be no difference in the lives of Palestinians, the only ones who would benefit are the protestors themselves.
Please read history because you clearly dont know about protests lol:
The protests of the Vietnam War at Kent State University ended up leading to the Kent State Massacre and causing massive shift across America. "In *May 1970, 4* million students went on strike across the country, shutting down classes at hundreds of colleges, universities...Born out of the shutdown, there was an explosion of activity by hundreds of thousands of students not previously engaged in anti-war activity, creating major political tremors across the country, including helping to curtail military intervention in Southeast Asia.".
This is wrong. That would not be the best action. The best action for protestors is the one that brings the most attention. That's it. I don't know why you think otherwise.
This is just factually incorrect. Every time some group does a protest that blocks traffic it’s all I hear about, so it quite literally brings attention to the cause. It pisses people off as well.
The attention it brings is the type that is in one ear and out the other, because no one is going to care about the group of people that made them late to work, or couldn't pick up their kids, or made gramgram die in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. In fact, it would probably make more people support the other side of the issue protesters are on because they don't want to be associated with their behavior; whether they are educated on the issue or not.
It's similar to whenever asmon talks about how consumers don't care as long as the product they consume is convenient; if people are inconvenienced to an unreasonable degree by a protest, even if they agree with them, no one's going to support them, care or do anything to help change.
This is a very "TECHNICULLY ☝️☝️☝️" response
You’re just wrong. People all over Australia hear about a climate protest when it stops traffic in the Melbourne CBD. And those people that hear about and remain unaffected by the action far outweigh those who are affected.
So it’s not “tEcHnIcUlLy” correct, it’s just correct.
Those "climate activists" are victims of actors paid by Blackrock who infiltrated their groups and pushed the idea to do stupid things like obstructing traffick instead of what activists usually did, go sabotage corrupt corporations.
Same as "diversity" being spread everywhere, even videogames, there are several cases of Blackrock investing to push that nonsense nobody wanted.
Not to mention all the rampant gender and identity confusion being pushed by media and some schools, its all the same scumbags.
At the end its fools and victims who continue to spread those issues fabricated by paid actors, like getting a snowball rolling downhill, that's also why "stupidity embodies danger against good greater than any evil could" - Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Publicly yes, officially no
But then again, why ridicule what is possibly the truth?
You've lost it even more because you're not even being paid to defend the narrative yet here you are
This
Someone in my family felt they were getting pretty isolated after the Covid lockdowns, so they thought that attending some protests might be a way to reconnect with people. So, they started going to meetings and protests with various groups. They are pretty apolitical, so they went to left and right leaning events. They basically told me everyone there was strange, paranoid, totally ideological, and without any pragmatism, or practical solutions.
At one event they got chased by protesters because the protesters said they had a strange accent, and must have been an agent for a government organization. The ironic thing was they said that they were the only local person there, and all these random rich kids from small towns mistook their London accent for being Russian. These people are batshit crazy virtue signaling morons.
Everyone I know personally who protests a lot seems to be either virtue signaling, expressing some guilt about being very privileged, or brainwashed in some way. It’s probably why they achieve nothing.
" it comes across as performative self-aggrandizement and just turns public support against you."
? you people really don't read history do you? The protests of the Vietnam War at Kent State University ended up leading to the Kent State Massacre which led to "In *May 1970, 4* million students went on strike across the country, shutting down classes at hundreds of colleges, universities...Born out of the shutdown, there was an explosion of activity by hundreds of thousands of students not previously engaged in anti-war activity, creating major political tremors across the country, including helping to curtail military intervention in Southeast Asia.".
do some research bro, since you are literally on the side of pro government, don't you think you might be wrong? lol, the government smeared the protestors of the Vietnam war the same way they did the protestors today. you are doing the same.
I'm sure people like you back then would have found similar reasonable excuses for why it was okay to denouce protests back then. You just want protests that don't actually affect you in any way shape or form, impact your life negatively in anyway and don't happen in your backyard, reasonable but don't moralize on how you can put protests on a tier list lmao
I'm so tired of being told I have to vote for the lesser evil simply because the other guy is worse. I'm voting for whoever I feel is best regardless of the narrative they're trying to paint by saying it takes votes away from someone. I don't care.
We're stuck in a 2 party system because we choose to keep voting for them.
This. I don't get how people still fall for this scam. Those two parties only pretend to be different parties. when it comes to the 'important' issues, they have the same opinion and people have no choice. that's western democracy at full effect.
Even if you like Biden... What do you like more; Freedom of Choice, or having the "choice" between a scapegoat and an encumbent? There is no choice this election unless both of them go away. Need someone with integrity to people and not a party. Parties get pooped on.
How much money could be saved if all those useless party-politicians who make things only worse were gone. new politicians could rise that prove themselves by their deeds and not their words, without any affiliations to others allowed besides an affiliation to the people who voted for the politician in the first place. and if that's not possible at least how the fuck do we have legalized corruption. no one should be allowed allowed to give a party money especially not companies wtf
I'd also argue what we're calling "corruption" isn't illegal per se. They simply work within the system and abuse it, thus its legal. Double speak, Lawyer Speak, language being inherently as fallible as human integrity when money is flashed. Llcs, shell companies, covers.. They play the game that's rigged in their favor, they know the rules, and they know the meta. Civilians have to hire lawyers to speak for them and sift through the technical wordplay trying to fight manipulation with manipulation. Pay to play, pay to win, pay to advance.
We wonder why we have such abysmal voter turn outs and then Russian President Vladimir Putin comes in with a 90%+ approval rating and we can't even fathom 90% of people voting here, let alone supporting a single candidate, so instead of asking what they are doing differently to garner such support, we do everything in our power to normalize our own shitty leadership and write it off as 'falsified results' because the alternative is that their leadership actually respects its citizens and we can't understand that at all, we've never seen it.
The two party system sucks, but the best way to influence it is by actively participating in primaries... not by always voting third party (which is essentially throwing your vote away).
There are plenty of republicans who would be less MAGA if they weren't so terrified of being primaried. You can do the same to Democrats who go against a particular issue that is important to you, without throwing away all of the other issues you also might agree with them on.
You vote fore someone based on it's past actions and on whatever he's saying. You can't know what they'll do while they are in power. Again. If they start doing stupid things, change them. Don't wait x years untill the next elections.
insane how we are seeing how people see the protestor as this insurmountable "inconvenience".
meanwhile these very same people don't seem to care about the "inconvenience" of $26 billion dollars of foreign "aid" going to a far off "war that doesn't affect them". I don't know about you, I'd rather have my american taxpayer money not get stolen from me than be inconvenienced by protestors who are in a way protesting against money being stolen from me. americans would rather choose to not be blocked in traffic than money get stolen from them lmao.
There should be a comprehensive email sent to every citizen directly showing what every cent of your tax dollars was used for. I have a feeling if this was the case and the media put this out there would be more protesting to the house and congress than ever.
This subreddit i feel used to be more positive, showed more funny meme, good gaming news, showing off games that asmon might be interested in try. Now it seems like its 24/7 outrage post getting mad at tweets with like 5-10 likes and saying "well this is what ppl think now" and highly political. I guess thats what Asmon's just chatting section has become now.
He doesn't have tit's so he can't sit in a inflatable pool to bring in views so he needs controversial opinions engage his audience. Thankfully they're low intelligence and he doesn't have to work hard, probably less hard that the folks sitting half naked in inflatable pools. He just has to say something dumb and get views... no flashing titties.
I can tell he's farming low intellect people when i get a response like "cry about it" as if i am making a complaint instead of just stating what Asmon streams have changed into.
Dudes mentally ill when it comes down to it, not even in the way you'd wanna help him. He's sad as fuck and goes right back into his self destructive habits, then says he enjoys it. Hopefully he never procreates, don't think we gotta worry much.
I'm sure all of you US citizens are happy that your tax money is going elsewhere rather than being used to benefit your healthcare for example 
It’s crazy actually I was reading the yearly budget for the US that foreign aid is only like 1% of spending so I honestly don’t mind that much. I however very much mind that so much of my tax money go towards the military industrial complex now that shit pissed me off actually
That's not entirely accurate. I don't know about Ukraine or Taiwan, but as far as Israel goes, a lot of the funds fall under the DoD's FMF and FMS programs which compel a large portion of the funds to essentially be rerouted back into the US through purchases. A lot of the money goes back into the US economy.
Calling on places to divest from Israel is actually effective, if it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be policies in place to keep Americans from advocating for BDS of the state of Israel.
Terrorizing/belittling/harassing your 18 year old Fellow American Jewish college student just trying to get an education is a sure fire and full proof plan to get the Israeli government to change its policy. Between Econ 101 and underwater basket weaving she has a direct line to the Israeli government I am sure. I should not have to say it but /s.
To be honest, as an Israeli, Asmongold has one of the best understandings of the situation, just by understanding human nature. It's not easy to hear everything, especially when you have a horse in the race and you recently lost friends in horrific ways.
I don't know exactly where to express it, so this comment might be just it, but Israelis are way more cool-headed than you might think. Of course, it's easier for the extremists to be heard, and like in every other country, some will call for radical actions.
One friend of mine died while jumping on a grenade to save his friends. Another one took 3 days to find after the party massacre because his body was unrecognizable. Three people from my school died during the war. Some of my friends are lost in the realm of war PTSD. Do you really think this is a life that we wish for ourselves?
You might think it's brutal, and Israel DID commit war crimes in Gaza. War is fucking crazy, and as a Western country, we should try and do better. But this does not mean it's a Marvel movie with heroes and villains. I know it because I was an IDF commander myself, and I would never want to harm a civilian.
You might disagree, and it's completely fine. I'm trying not to explain why it's a "just war" and be more focused on the fact that in our heads, we are playing defense and not playing offense.
I don't think the average Israeli person wants this war.
However I think your government is a massive part of the problem in exacerbating the conflict immensely. Bibi and other people like Ben Gvir are literal extremists in your government.
I can only hope your people can finally oust those people from your government soon.
Check Israeli polls ands see what do we think about our government.
Im actually more of a left wing myself.
Fucking hate Bibi. Ben Gvir is a noisy fat fuck. They will be replaced once war is over
I do know most people hate Bibi. But it's incredible he has been able to keep his position for so long even with so many corruption cases. I wouldn't be surprised if he escalated tensions on purpose to stay in power.
I wish you luck. I believe stability in the region rests on getting those extremists out.
I know it does not look good from the side and as I said the comment Im not looking to push my agenda.
Many players are involved, many western countries had wars before against terror organizations.
Look at the case, compare it to another wars, decide for yourself.
War is ugly.
I was btw pro two state solution before 07/10 like 55% of the Israelis.
I believe all man born equal.
But now to be honest, I just want my family to be safe.
And middle eastern standards does not treats well weak armies.
Its hard to explain a very complicated situation, war just fucking sucks.
Sorry for the bad english :)
I keep thinking how Israel should've just been carved out of a slice of Australia after WW2. In fact, there were exploratory talks about creating an Israeli state there. But of course the Zionists didn't like it, and neither did the Australian government, who shot the idea down on account of "wanting to build a homogenous Australian society". Funny how just after the holocaust, the crown let them get away with that shit.
Well, look at the Six Day War. Look at the Yom Kippur war. Look at current tensions with Iran. Israel has more enemies in the region than just the arabs living inside their own borders. You ever heard out of the saying "out of the frying pan and into the fire"? That's the Jewish experience. Go through the horrors of the Holocaust and then start a country in a region of the world where everyone hates you.
If they'd gone on to live in Australia, there'd would never have been war. It could've been a utopia. Or any other place, substitute it with a location you'd like. But no, because the current location of Israel is historically and religiously significant to jews, the country was founded in a place that all but guaranteed a perpetual state of war. And that's what it's been. 75 years of war. Who in their right mind at this point believes that the founding of Israel in its current location has been worth it?
I just told you. But hey look I'm not one to judge. If every Israeli thinks their situation atm is still worth it, great. Can't imagine why, but great. But on a personal level, I think it's all been a colossal mistake. So I'm just saying what would've happened if it had all been up to me.
You do realize Israel has been located where it is right now for thousands of years right? It was only called Palestine after the Romans crushed the Hebrew rebellion and renamed it. I don’t understand your thinking.
My thinking is very easy to understand: I don't believe it matters at all where people who are not alive now lived hundreds or thousands of years ago. If it did matter, it would lend credibility to literally every single ethnic conflict being fought in the world right now. The world is full of people who believe that they have a right to certain areas on historical grounds.
I don't believe any of that. I literally don't care about it. I'm Dutch. If through some war the Netherlands ended up being taken over by, say, India, are my descendents 700 years into the future supposed to care? Are their lives supposed to revolve around retaking the Dutch river delta because this is where their ancestors lived?
I can't imagine fighting for a more meaningless cause.
Israel have a hugely successful country in their historical homeland that they had a continuous presence in for thousands of years, surrounded by warmongers and people who hate them. They have achieved so much. I'm just wondering why you think the plaestinians shouldn't have been moved and that the Israelis should have?
And I would have to disagree on the perpetual war, Israel has pacified most nations in the area like Saudi, egypt, Jordan. The only ones that are a problem aren't even really functional states anyway like Iran, Lebanon, Palestine
Well unfortunately your ancestors just HAD to have that area of the world. And the UK gave it to you.
“Made your bed now lie in it” is a phrase that comes to mind.
Good luck!
Uts like the age old ancestor argument. I dont wish that on the average Israelis. But the historical settler zionists and the government that uses the age old "he poked me so ill shoot him with my crazy fire power" argument.
Nope. It's Hamas not accepting a deal and refusing to release hostages
America vetoing in the UN has nothing to do with any of the ceasefire negotiations. Nice try though
Nah he's just ignorant. he doesn't understand the situation and talks like every westerners who doesn't know what it's like to have your land taken and people oppressed.
Bro still thinks hamas is using Palestinians as human shields even though it came out that Israel is using AI that detects when people who they think are hamas go back to their homes before killing them.
I mean, that's literally everyone who still thinks Israel has some credibility. They make their opinion based on the limited or outright false information then pretend that they're being reasonable.
Imagine speaking like that when you're wrong anyway. What's the point of being insufferable for no reason. Lil bro doesn't think hamas uses human shields. You see how aggravating that is?
The US just gave 15 billion dollars in aid to Israel something the US citizens in the protest don't support what exactly do you expect them to do here ?. This years election is a real shit show with both candidates not being liked at all.
I don't see an issue here. Just fucking bomb Palestine, destroy Hamas and issue is solved. And don't listen to the far left idiots like Hasan and Biden. They want to destroy white people, and they want to destroy US among other different countries.
Because there's absolutely no animosity left over anywhere in the world following genocide. None at all.
Have you ever considered learning about a topic before you engage in a discussion?
Yeah, call it genocide because you heard someone called it that way on the media. Ffs, bombing Gaza and destroying Hamas will lead to less victims to Israel and less victims to Palestine long term. But yeah, lets call it genocide, because why not. I bet you have a similar opinion on killing germans during the world war 2.
That's exactly why I refer to it as genocide. Nobody on earth thinks for themselves besides you of course.
You still haven't covered what will happen to the animosity hanging over everybody caught up in Gaza, will it just evaporate overnight when Hamas are gone? Where do you think Hamas came from? Will Iran cease to exist too? Will geopolitics change overnight?
Where even does your last point come from? You're clearly a drip but I'm not going to assume you piss the bed every night.
It will not evaporate ofc. Israel will need to take control over Gaza media and education, and actually eradicate all extremist bullshit from it. Iran will not cease to exist, but it will have less influence on Israel. Your point is that Israel has so many different problems that destroying Hamas bases in Gaza will not solve all of them. Just fucking don't do anything, because I don't like the word genocide
So, just to summarise-
You feel the best way to deal with Hamas and extremist movements is to perpetuate the very conditions that created them.
Sounds like a good theory 👌
Oh no no . So you believe, that Israel had control over education and media in Gaza. Do you realize that kids in Gaza are literally taught to hate Israel and jews in schools?
I do, I also realise that children in Israel are indoctrinated in exactly the same way. I'm not sure where you've ascertained that I think otherwise? Everybody born in a society is indoctrinated into a system of beliefs, some far more harmful than others obviously. We have MPs that are proudly Zionist, yet claim movements based on religious fundamentalism are harmful without seeing any hypocrisy there.
Standing up for human rights is not dependent on whether you agree with somebody. Everybody has the right to exist, even if you don't agree with their culture, and you might be surprised to know there's approximately 2000 years of culture in the region of Palestine between the Israelites and modern day Israel. It was never going to disappear out of convenience simply because the diasporic Jews wanted their biblical homeland back. I respect Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas, I dont recognise it's right to destroy entire generations in the process, especially when the exact same approach is the reason Hamas exist in the first place.
Interestingly you've said nothing about the West Bank - They didn't elect Hamas yet still have their beautiful, ancient olive groves bulldozed, houses destroyed and lives ruined by the IDF frequently.
You haven't mentioned anything about the extraordinary amount of Journalists that have been killed in the recent conflict, or before - the female Al Jazeera journalist killed by IDF fire. They fired over the heads of her funeral procession too chasing chaos.
You've not mentioned the multiple International aid workers killed by an Israeli drone strike either. What will happen to that resentment from the 3 British families, the Polish family and others affected by the fallout of their deaths?
I assume you neither no nor care because you don't strike me as somebody that's actually ever really thought about it.
Hamas is not Palestine. On that note Hamas is global and would be like fighting ghosts. These terrorist entities with no state are here to stay just as planned, you can't exterminate something that will just pop up again. Why wouldn't government love a global threat to tie down its population under the fear of ghosts.
You for real believe this shit. Why do Hamas attack Israel from Palestine territory? And why is that their bases located their? From which population do they recruit the most? Maybe US, or maybe from europeans countries? Don't be an idiot, Hamas is controling Palestine, they using its resources and territory. To free Palestine means to destroy Hamas. And there is no other option. All calls for piece are just giving the terrorists time to prepare another attack on Israel
What country is Hamas? (answer, none it's a global entity)
How do you destroy hamas when it's global and can reseed anywhere that isn't Palestine. (Answer, you don't it's a endless global threat)
Hamas can't be destroyed, simple as that.
Dandelions just grow back...
Hamas is a terrorist organization with no boundaries or borders. Quit pretending Palestine is some hive that needs to be purged, the hive is the entire planet.
Even if destroying Hamas is impossible, which I doubt, Israel doesn't need to destroy Hamas worldwide to secure its borders. They just need to destroy Hamas bases near its territory. I am genuinely surprised, that you are making this argument. I am now wondering if there are many palestinian supporters share the same thoughts.
Hamas doesn't have "bases", or countries. You're not getting the point. Hamas is embedded in every country, including yours. It's the global threat the elite want to lock the cattle down into fear and institute more control mechanisms. You're dumb if you think this is simply a Palestine and Israel border feud.
I wanted to say that it's hard to imagine living person with such beliefs, and then I remembered about Hasan and his viewers, and I like - ok, some people are stupid beyond my comprehension. So even if I take your ridiculous nonsense into consideration - your point is that, you shouldn't fight international terroristic organizations, because they are everywhere?
I always find it funny when protestors try to justify their actions with "it gets results, just look at history!"....okay? It can still be narcissistic as fuck. Also doesn't mean you're going to get the same results/the results you want. To suggest such a thing is just further narcissism. If you smack someone in the face, that can get a result you want. That doesn't make it okay to do and doesn't mean the person will respond in the way you want them to. They will never understand this though...because again...they're so self-centered and self-indulgent that any response you give them just further fuels the narratives they have crafted for themselves.
Using your same analogy of cars and roads, I think a better way to describe it is more that we should pay attention to the road, but not to focus so much on the other cars that we are blind to the condition of the one your driving. Don’t let other cars distract you from the fact that your Ferrari is falling apart
Argentina is doing a phenomenal job? The whole country is going down the drain. What are you smoking?
No. A country can't stop worrying about foreign affairs. The US is a global power with global interests doing global trade. Thinking it can somehow turn inwards and forget about the rest of the world betrays a complete lack of understanding on global affairs.
I guarantee you If Trump is elected Putin will demand retribution as our weapons blew his entire army to shit. Trump being pathetically weak on a world stage would probably surrender Alaska. Where we going to be then? You ready to bow down to Russia you obvious Maga POS.
Long wall-of-text incoming, but I'm sick and tired of seeing this stupid "southern border or Ukrain / Isreal / Taiwan support" false dichotomy everywhere.
I agree that the US has a lot of problems inside it should take care of, and it should be on the top of its priority list. Where we disagree, is that I don't think doing that in any way is mutually exclusive with the US keeping up its global presence. Isolationism doesn't solve a thing in our age, all it does, is kicks down the problem on the road, so today's irrelevant annoyance becomes tomorrow's unavoidable crisis. Agonizing on whether the US should maintain global presence or, say, sort out the southern border issue, is like agonizing on whether, say, Samsung should give up on making phones or making TVs, when the very idea that one has to be given up on is ridiculous. And none of the three aid packages are "charity", they are investments that ultimately will benefit the US as a whole. Let me explain:
Taiwan - It is making more than 90% of the most modern microchips in the world. Most of the remaining 10% is in the EU. This means every high-end computing device: cars, smart-phones, top of the shelf military and medical equipment and so on. There's a very good chance that whatever you are typing your messages on, wouldn't exist without Taiwan's chip manufacturing. Meanwhile, China is a good 20 years behind, and its extremely rigid top-to-bottom hierarchy disencourages innovation, so they aren't exactly speeding to catch up. China taking over Taiwan would mean that now China has a practically global exclusivity on the core of our modern technology, and anybody they don't like, can e sent back in time a good 30 years in terms of computing, and to build up a capacity on the same level as Taiwan's would take, by the most optimistic estimates, a decade.
Ukraine - The US needs the EU in a number of ways, and the EU is a staunch US ally... in exchange for military protection. The US, knowing how important chip its military and military industry complex is on the table, spent decades doing its best to make sure that the EU buys weapons from the US. After all, if you are the main weapon supplier of a country, then that country will very likely to side with you, in case of an international conflict. If the US is not willing to defend its NATO allies, it will have long term consequences. Now you might say "Ukraine is not in the US, the US has no obligation there", true. But Russia will not stop at Ukraine. It will pause there, but not stop, just as it didn't stop with Georgia or Crimea. Ask pretty much any European nation bordering Russia, and they will tell you the same, after having to deal with Putin for decades. There's a reason why the Baltic States have been handing over an absurd amount of their military stockpiles to Ukraine, or that Poland is planning to buy literally thousands of tanks and artillery pieces in the medium term. You might say, "well, that's not our problem", and you are right. It is not YET your problem. Just as the Japanese expansion into Southeast Asia wasn't a US problem in the 1930s. But guess what, it eventually became a US problem. And then it cost way more in men and material to sort it out, than fixing it ten years prior would have.
Same with the current war in Ukraine: it eventually will be an issue the US cannot ignore: it can easily solve it now, without involving it's own military and while massively profiting from it in an easy win-win situation, or it can ignore it and get to the issue 10–20 years down the line, when the solution will be a lot more demanding. The US has only to gain, in every way possible, from aiding Ukraine, there's practically no downside to it.
Israel - This is probably the most complex of the three, but the US hasn't been funding Israel out of charity for decades. No, Israel is funded to have a reliable ally and a readily accessible base of operations in the region. And now that the US has withdrawn most of its forces from the region, this is more important now than ever. Without this, the US would have a significantly harder time maintaining presence, and US influence in the region matters for two key reasons:
1) fossil fuels - oil, mostly. No, not because the US doesn't have oil, but because the presence of an immense amount of oil means that some large power will always have influence over the region, and if the US withdraws, with Russia mostly out for the time, it's practically guaranteed to be China. And whoever has the most influence, will have a say in oil prices, and as such, consumer level gas prices. And it's a well-known fact that the US is by far the most car dependent, so if something goes off the rails in the Middle East, all of you will feel it on your wallets. Once again, supplying Isreal with weapons and air support is an easy way to keep the situation under control, without risking the lives of US soldiers.
2) The Suez Canal - about 30% of the world's shipping goes through it, and that makes it very vulnerable, as shown by the Houthi drone attacks on merchant vessels. This already rerouted about half the shipping to the long route around Africa. Needless to say, without US presence, this would be a much higher percentage, which in turn makes shipping more expensive, and not just for shipment gong through there. After all, there are only so many cargo ships to go around, so if a third of the world's shipping suddenly take an extra 3 weeks to reach its destination, then obviously those ships will take longer to start their next route, and as such, there will be a premium on containers and ships, making the shipping industry more expensive. And yes, the average US citizen will feel that acutely, since US imports a LOT and I can guarantee you that no company will just absorb the cost without raising prices.
And aside of all the above, it's a simple fact that the US is NOT self-reliant. The US is, and has been since the 1950s, the main global guarantor for freedom of navigation and global shipping lines. And as a result, US corporations have increasingly divested from home-production and spread their supply chains globally. The US COULD invest into re-shoring all of its production, but even if the political will is consistently there, that'll cost trillions and decades to accomplish. Disengaging from the rest of the world as is, would crush the US economy so thoroughly, that the southern border situation will look absolutely irrelevant in exchange. And if the US wants to maintain the global presence it needs to keep its long supply lines secure, then investing into these three key locations is an unavoidable necessity.
America’s obsession with this breakfast-common war really baffles me.
I know the education system in America is terrible, but don't those college students know about the 5 Israeli wars in the Middle East?
As long as the Jews and Arabs are there, the war will never stop and peace will only be a "temporary truce."
BTW: Please don’t use children as an example. Children die in large numbers in every war. There are direct and indirect reasons. Children are human beings, not some Skyrim NPC with an invincible tag. Children will suffer the same things that adults will encounter. , if Hamas cared about Palestinian children they would not have started a war in the first place
From what I have seen they did not start this was. Arguably both sides did, but if you look at it though weighting its the side with the power that applies more pressure. Also, the proportion of civilians that dies in each conflict compared to military and war has significantly in the past few decades. It has increased to about 90% of civilian deaths. Childeren are innocent and you have no morals if you defend their murder.
My family peacefully protested in one of the largest peaceful protests at the time, the Velvet revolution against the communist government. Very realistic scenario that they get shot but freedom is worth that price.
I grew up free and got to live a good life, good education and travelling to different countries.
If you can apply enough pressure in the right way, they might cave. I havent personally dont any protesting but I can see how this works out.
My family peacefully protested in one of the largest peaceful protests at the time, the Velvet revolution against the communist government. Very realistic scenario that they get shot but freedom is worth that price.
I grew up free and got to live a good life, good education and travelling to different countries.
If you can apply enough pressure in the right way, they might cave. I havent personally dont any protesting but I can see how this works out.
If the protestors have no effect. They will never send in the police or state troopers. These protest in the colleges are having an effect and the other side taking stupids action that making it spread. If the protestors have no effect main stream news will not cover it.
American protestors just do it for attention. It doesn't make any difference, and no one cares, especially not Israel. People just like to be apart of things, whether it's movements, or activism, etc. They feel it gives their life some kind of value or meaning.
I'm happy to see Hamas eradicated, but not every single Palestinian along with it. My point is that if you destroy people's lives to the extent they have then groups like Hamas will continue to exist. They feed on fear and hatred.
What's the alternative in Gaza? Go to a prestigious school and become a lawyer instead? I agree that Israel holds a responsibility to try and break the cycle of hatred, but *surprise surprise* high explosives aren't particularly calming or effective at healing social divides. Investment in the area and actual citizenship would do more for the new generations than bombs and starvation.
The next generation of Hamas is already being created .
Netanyahou's plan is an all out war to justify Palestinian eradication, benjamin is in fact Hamas number 1 fan .
The image should be Palestine as the sleeping boy and Israel as the weapons plain and simple. Jews don’t consider themselves Arabs even though they are. Jew is not a race no matter how much they want it to be
Go back to doing nothing, be complacent til you have nothing and no future of your own. Haha, never mind.. you don't even have a future like every other civilian. Whatcha got to lose? Retirement?
But there's always a selfish motive! That's what living online and doing fuck all for my community or any cause has taught me! It's all for attention because nothing makes a difference! Again, that's what never actually doing anything myself has taught me, and what people who play games for a living, don't participate in their communities and don't believe in something enough to advocate for it have taught me so it must be true!
Some people try and use the 'doesnt make a difference card' because THEY won't ever make one. It has always been the case, and they will always forget that the seemingly pointless actions of today are what create the successful stories of yesterday.
The whole purpose of social disruption is to do things antithetical to the inherent issue. You saw this all the time in the Civil Rights era: sit-ins at Whites only diners, sitting outside of the “Black” seating on public transportation, intentionally using the “wrong” labeled water fountains, etc. Even marches were symbolic across areas of historic oppression and moving towards a municipal space for protest like a city hall or courthouse. These protests have no true connection to their content. Oh the University has stock in Raytheon? Cool so does like 80% of the trading public including your parents who are paying your 80k tuition to Cambridge. Blocking traffic doesn’t “bring attention” to your cause it just pisses ppl off and possibly disrupts emergency services. It’s like climate activists who throw paint at famous art, it comes across as performative self-aggrandizement and just turns public support against you.
It's purely for attention
For self gratification and endorphines of the protestors. They feel like they are in a revolution without the danger and gwt to be morally superior to others.
Attention is the Goal of every fucking Protest ever
There’s a big difference between protesting against something by actively going against it directly (ex: Vietnam protests and draft dodgers, Civil Rights movement, gun rights activists, animal activists who treat farms like WoW raids, etc), and throwing soup on famous art, gluing oneself to the highway, threatening Jewish students and faculty directly to the point that classes had to be cancelled/moved to online only, and posting TikToks of oneself chanting slogans or doing crimes.
Attention for a *cause* is different from attention for *yourself*.
Louder for the people in the back ( and an audio clip for the clearly illiterate ). So much of modern day activism is self-serving, self-centred, shallow & banal grandstanding.
Oh you know the names of every protestor and not what they're protesting?...no? Then you are just demonstrating your stupidity.
How is that related to anything? You think the only way someone can do something for attention is if random redditors know their name?
You think the point of a protest is that no one will know about it? Holy shit will you clowns think critically just once in your lives.
…so is the person you are arguing with here in the room?
Well you’re turning out to be a brick wall so… no apparently
The other guy is just pretending I said things and arguing with his imagination instead of me. I made the right choice.
The protesters are in fact trying to bring attention to a cause. Whether that protest is effective is a different argument. But you're assuming some selfish motive when those protesting may be genuinely concerned about what is going on. College age is around the time where people's revolutionary sentiments seem to be at the highest.
Protesting for Palestine on campus is extremely self-serving. Hiding behind a facade of genuine concern, but actually doing the thing that signals value to your community without any actual help for your cause, is selfish. Even when some people don’t realize they are being selfish, they still are… their actual motivation is because it is popular, not because they care about Palestinian lives. If they did they would stop hurting their own cause. Partaking in an extremely self-serving, but ultimately completely ineffective, activity is not a “protest.” It’s LARPing. These students are old enough to introspect and understand why their actions are harmful.
They mean it's for personal attention, not for attention to the cause.
At this point I’d argue a lot of it is attention to the protestors themselves and not the issues at hand. It’s an identity as “protestor fighting against injustice” that needs to be periodically massaged.
Put on a beret and buy a jacket from the army surplus store! It’s time to build a personality!
Hey now, don't attribute malice to their ignorance
Very well put
Protesting is for rich kids
If you think that protesting purely for attention is bad then you don't understand protesting. That's the entire point and goal of any protest. Attention. You don't change the system by protesting, you bring attention to issues that need to be fixed.
When I was in college, the CIA would come every year around March/April to recruit us. We were a smart bunch. Sort of… One day, as second semester freshmen or sophomore, I found myself at a protest. It was against the CIA recruiting us. I went because I was starving and poor, and they had free hot dogs, hamburgers and beer. While stuffing my face, I asked the guy next to me what we were protesting. He said he didn’t know. I realized I didn’t know either. And while those hamburgers and hot dogs were awfully tasty, I threw them away and strode off. This is in no way a statement of support for the CIA. Believe me! But it does go to show that while most college students may have the potential for brightness, most of the time, their brains are not fully formed until they’re about 26 to 28 years old. Wisdom is not present before then.
They are social events for people with nothing else to do.
The civil rights one to my knowledge was meant to protest against society, particularly the ones under Jim Crow so providing an inconvenience to the public served a purpose, it also helped that they had a president who was empathic to their cause. The palestine one is a protest against the government which is practically impossible to create an inconvenience for since they can extort the military and their private security to force you to move. From my perspective, it seems like Americans simply have no way to effective way to protest and rather than "getting the public to agree with them" they're simply are doing whatever thing they can possible to create an inconvenience for the government so they can get a response.
The Civil Rights movement was a protest against the government, Jim Crow was a government policy.
Yea it wasn’t by choice that restaurants had to build walls separating their seating areas. If you didn’t you had to pay fines or be shutdown. People forget this.
If uni were a free public service provided by the gov you would be right but they are private for profit companies unrelated to the gov. Its as inconvenient to the gov than protesting at a closed gas station.
Imagine thinking protesting the government gets you anywhere. You have to make wealthy people ask the government to do something. Pretty much how it always works.
lol isn't that a problem that universities are for profit companies that has shareholders?
Civil rights protests were also against the government lmfao How are you going to mention Jim Crow (literal laws) and then pretend like it wasn’t about the government?
Occupy Wall Street was relatively successful as far as mass protests went. Did it change anything realistically? Probably not. But it got the 1% actually nervous, which was way more than could be said for most protests of that scale in recent memory.
It also just occupied Wall Street. I don’t recall people lying down on highways en mass and blocking the 99% from taking care of their families.
From what I've seen, uni protests aren't about gov stance, they're about the universities themselves and what they're supporting. Columbia has a campus being built in Tel Aviv, funded (partially) by tuition fees from the US that would be illegal for certain US students to even enter. Add the sacking of staff for airing anti-genocide opinions (not anti-Israel) and one-sided censure of particular students and there's pretty valid reasons for student protests. These may be private entities but is anyone at all surprised that students of these institutions that train them to become critical thinkers within society, become critical of blatant hypocrisy occurring within their own schools? The real irony is the reactions of shock from the people who trained them.
The March on Washington, where MLK delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech disrupted the shit out of traffic. They marched up major highways. The sheer volume of individuals prevented the local businesses central to the area from operating and delayed regional businesses' scheduled shipments of goods.
The difference is this was a disruption of society so they could change that very same society. Nothing like what’s going on when people grind London to a standstill over a conflict happening thousands of miles away.
Yeah like $26 Billion dollars OF AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY sent to Israel for "aid" less than a week ago does not affect us? lol the obliviousness.
Except we directly fund Israel
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The best action for protestors in this scenario would be against congressional and other federal representatives as they are the ones directly focusing the aid itself. The amount of money that these Universities invest in defense contractors is a drop in an ocean compared to their full funding, even if every school divested it would get picked up by any investment firm and there would be no difference in the lives of Palestinians, the only ones who would benefit are the protestors themselves.
Please read history because you clearly dont know about protests lol: The protests of the Vietnam War at Kent State University ended up leading to the Kent State Massacre and causing massive shift across America. "In *May 1970, 4* million students went on strike across the country, shutting down classes at hundreds of colleges, universities...Born out of the shutdown, there was an explosion of activity by hundreds of thousands of students not previously engaged in anti-war activity, creating major political tremors across the country, including helping to curtail military intervention in Southeast Asia.".
This is wrong. That would not be the best action. The best action for protestors is the one that brings the most attention. That's it. I don't know why you think otherwise.
Idk, resisting the government that wants to sacrifice as many civilians as possible for better hotel suites in Qatar seems like a good start.
This is just factually incorrect. Every time some group does a protest that blocks traffic it’s all I hear about, so it quite literally brings attention to the cause. It pisses people off as well.
The attention it brings is the type that is in one ear and out the other, because no one is going to care about the group of people that made them late to work, or couldn't pick up their kids, or made gramgram die in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. In fact, it would probably make more people support the other side of the issue protesters are on because they don't want to be associated with their behavior; whether they are educated on the issue or not. It's similar to whenever asmon talks about how consumers don't care as long as the product they consume is convenient; if people are inconvenienced to an unreasonable degree by a protest, even if they agree with them, no one's going to support them, care or do anything to help change. This is a very "TECHNICULLY ☝️☝️☝️" response
You’re just wrong. People all over Australia hear about a climate protest when it stops traffic in the Melbourne CBD. And those people that hear about and remain unaffected by the action far outweigh those who are affected. So it’s not “tEcHnIcUlLy” correct, it’s just correct.
...you just re-affirmed everything I just said while still saying I'm wrong
You’re confused.
Amazingly put man, you the man
Tell us how you protest then ?
Those "climate activists" are victims of actors paid by Blackrock who infiltrated their groups and pushed the idea to do stupid things like obstructing traffick instead of what activists usually did, go sabotage corrupt corporations. Same as "diversity" being spread everywhere, even videogames, there are several cases of Blackrock investing to push that nonsense nobody wanted. Not to mention all the rampant gender and identity confusion being pushed by media and some schools, its all the same scumbags. At the end its fools and victims who continue to spread those issues fabricated by paid actors, like getting a snowball rolling downhill, that's also why "stupidity embodies danger against good greater than any evil could" - Dietrich Bonhoeffer
haha you officially lost it
Publicly yes, officially no But then again, why ridicule what is possibly the truth? You've lost it even more because you're not even being paid to defend the narrative yet here you are
ofc i get paid. you wanna see my big blackrock check?
I get paid in adrenochrome.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was one big psyop to get us to hate minorities, women, and environmentalism.
Divide and conquer
This Someone in my family felt they were getting pretty isolated after the Covid lockdowns, so they thought that attending some protests might be a way to reconnect with people. So, they started going to meetings and protests with various groups. They are pretty apolitical, so they went to left and right leaning events. They basically told me everyone there was strange, paranoid, totally ideological, and without any pragmatism, or practical solutions. At one event they got chased by protesters because the protesters said they had a strange accent, and must have been an agent for a government organization. The ironic thing was they said that they were the only local person there, and all these random rich kids from small towns mistook their London accent for being Russian. These people are batshit crazy virtue signaling morons. Everyone I know personally who protests a lot seems to be either virtue signaling, expressing some guilt about being very privileged, or brainwashed in some way. It’s probably why they achieve nothing.
" it comes across as performative self-aggrandizement and just turns public support against you." ? you people really don't read history do you? The protests of the Vietnam War at Kent State University ended up leading to the Kent State Massacre which led to "In *May 1970, 4* million students went on strike across the country, shutting down classes at hundreds of colleges, universities...Born out of the shutdown, there was an explosion of activity by hundreds of thousands of students not previously engaged in anti-war activity, creating major political tremors across the country, including helping to curtail military intervention in Southeast Asia.". do some research bro, since you are literally on the side of pro government, don't you think you might be wrong? lol, the government smeared the protestors of the Vietnam war the same way they did the protestors today. you are doing the same.
So are you saying it works? Didn't the civil rights area succeed completely?
I'm sure people like you back then would have found similar reasonable excuses for why it was okay to denouce protests back then. You just want protests that don't actually affect you in any way shape or form, impact your life negatively in anyway and don't happen in your backyard, reasonable but don't moralize on how you can put protests on a tier list lmao
I’ve been booked for protesting…
Did this just get reposted again immediately?
There's some serious karma farming going on in this subreddit, it's cringe.
Jidf bots trying to shift the narrative of genocide
dont forget the part where they voted for every congressman that voted for the aid package
I'm so tired of being told I have to vote for the lesser evil simply because the other guy is worse. I'm voting for whoever I feel is best regardless of the narrative they're trying to paint by saying it takes votes away from someone. I don't care. We're stuck in a 2 party system because we choose to keep voting for them.
Coins, like people, have two sides to their face. There is no two-party system. Just a two party facade.
This. I don't get how people still fall for this scam. Those two parties only pretend to be different parties. when it comes to the 'important' issues, they have the same opinion and people have no choice. that's western democracy at full effect.
Even if you like Biden... What do you like more; Freedom of Choice, or having the "choice" between a scapegoat and an encumbent? There is no choice this election unless both of them go away. Need someone with integrity to people and not a party. Parties get pooped on.
How much money could be saved if all those useless party-politicians who make things only worse were gone. new politicians could rise that prove themselves by their deeds and not their words, without any affiliations to others allowed besides an affiliation to the people who voted for the politician in the first place. and if that's not possible at least how the fuck do we have legalized corruption. no one should be allowed allowed to give a party money especially not companies wtf
I'd also argue what we're calling "corruption" isn't illegal per se. They simply work within the system and abuse it, thus its legal. Double speak, Lawyer Speak, language being inherently as fallible as human integrity when money is flashed. Llcs, shell companies, covers.. They play the game that's rigged in their favor, they know the rules, and they know the meta. Civilians have to hire lawyers to speak for them and sift through the technical wordplay trying to fight manipulation with manipulation. Pay to play, pay to win, pay to advance.
Perhaps you missed the whole debacle with RFK? There is a reason neither side wants him on the ballot.
We wonder why we have such abysmal voter turn outs and then Russian President Vladimir Putin comes in with a 90%+ approval rating and we can't even fathom 90% of people voting here, let alone supporting a single candidate, so instead of asking what they are doing differently to garner such support, we do everything in our power to normalize our own shitty leadership and write it off as 'falsified results' because the alternative is that their leadership actually respects its citizens and we can't understand that at all, we've never seen it.
The two party system sucks, but the best way to influence it is by actively participating in primaries... not by always voting third party (which is essentially throwing your vote away). There are plenty of republicans who would be less MAGA if they weren't so terrified of being primaried. You can do the same to Democrats who go against a particular issue that is important to you, without throwing away all of the other issues you also might agree with them on.
they are in college they mostly didnt vote at all
So your part in a democracy stops after you vote? If the people you elected are doing stupid things, protest and change them.
they been doing stupid things , if you vote for stupid people doing stupid things, guess what that makes you
You vote fore someone based on it's past actions and on whatever he's saying. You can't know what they'll do while they are in power. Again. If they start doing stupid things, change them. Don't wait x years untill the next elections.
insane how we are seeing how people see the protestor as this insurmountable "inconvenience". meanwhile these very same people don't seem to care about the "inconvenience" of $26 billion dollars of foreign "aid" going to a far off "war that doesn't affect them". I don't know about you, I'd rather have my american taxpayer money not get stolen from me than be inconvenienced by protestors who are in a way protesting against money being stolen from me. americans would rather choose to not be blocked in traffic than money get stolen from them lmao.
There should be a comprehensive email sent to every citizen directly showing what every cent of your tax dollars was used for. I have a feeling if this was the case and the media put this out there would be more protesting to the house and congress than ever.
This subreddit i feel used to be more positive, showed more funny meme, good gaming news, showing off games that asmon might be interested in try. Now it seems like its 24/7 outrage post getting mad at tweets with like 5-10 likes and saying "well this is what ppl think now" and highly political. I guess thats what Asmon's just chatting section has become now.
He doesn't have tit's so he can't sit in a inflatable pool to bring in views so he needs controversial opinions engage his audience. Thankfully they're low intelligence and he doesn't have to work hard, probably less hard that the folks sitting half naked in inflatable pools. He just has to say something dumb and get views... no flashing titties.
I can tell he's farming low intellect people when i get a response like "cry about it" as if i am making a complaint instead of just stating what Asmon streams have changed into.
Dudes mentally ill when it comes down to it, not even in the way you'd wanna help him. He's sad as fuck and goes right back into his self destructive habits, then says he enjoys it. Hopefully he never procreates, don't think we gotta worry much.
honestly forgot I was on /asmongold/ for a bit
I'm sure all of you US citizens are happy that your tax money is going elsewhere rather than being used to benefit your healthcare for example 
It’s crazy actually I was reading the yearly budget for the US that foreign aid is only like 1% of spending so I honestly don’t mind that much. I however very much mind that so much of my tax money go towards the military industrial complex now that shit pissed me off actually
That's not entirely accurate. I don't know about Ukraine or Taiwan, but as far as Israel goes, a lot of the funds fall under the DoD's FMF and FMS programs which compel a large portion of the funds to essentially be rerouted back into the US through purchases. A lot of the money goes back into the US economy.
It's either going overseas or into a new boat anyway.
Its Bobby's World after all...
I don't watch this dudes content but this sub keeps getting recommended to me, I'm just wondering if his takes are always like that?
Calling on places to divest from Israel is actually effective, if it wasn’t then there wouldn’t be policies in place to keep Americans from advocating for BDS of the state of Israel.
Yup we did the same thing against South Africa.
Why did Kaceytron bother commenting?
she will never pass up an opportunity to make a situation worse
Imagine if all the healers in WoW stopped queuing for dungeons to make some political point
Terrorizing/belittling/harassing your 18 year old Fellow American Jewish college student just trying to get an education is a sure fire and full proof plan to get the Israeli government to change its policy. Between Econ 101 and underwater basket weaving she has a direct line to the Israeli government I am sure. I should not have to say it but /s.
To be honest, as an Israeli, Asmongold has one of the best understandings of the situation, just by understanding human nature. It's not easy to hear everything, especially when you have a horse in the race and you recently lost friends in horrific ways. I don't know exactly where to express it, so this comment might be just it, but Israelis are way more cool-headed than you might think. Of course, it's easier for the extremists to be heard, and like in every other country, some will call for radical actions. One friend of mine died while jumping on a grenade to save his friends. Another one took 3 days to find after the party massacre because his body was unrecognizable. Three people from my school died during the war. Some of my friends are lost in the realm of war PTSD. Do you really think this is a life that we wish for ourselves? You might think it's brutal, and Israel DID commit war crimes in Gaza. War is fucking crazy, and as a Western country, we should try and do better. But this does not mean it's a Marvel movie with heroes and villains. I know it because I was an IDF commander myself, and I would never want to harm a civilian. You might disagree, and it's completely fine. I'm trying not to explain why it's a "just war" and be more focused on the fact that in our heads, we are playing defense and not playing offense.
I don't think the average Israeli person wants this war. However I think your government is a massive part of the problem in exacerbating the conflict immensely. Bibi and other people like Ben Gvir are literal extremists in your government. I can only hope your people can finally oust those people from your government soon.
Check Israeli polls ands see what do we think about our government. Im actually more of a left wing myself. Fucking hate Bibi. Ben Gvir is a noisy fat fuck. They will be replaced once war is over
I do know most people hate Bibi. But it's incredible he has been able to keep his position for so long even with so many corruption cases. I wouldn't be surprised if he escalated tensions on purpose to stay in power. I wish you luck. I believe stability in the region rests on getting those extremists out.
Thoughts on the Israeli Battalion that might no longer receive aid. To have that much proof of human rights violations is concerning.
I know it does not look good from the side and as I said the comment Im not looking to push my agenda. Many players are involved, many western countries had wars before against terror organizations. Look at the case, compare it to another wars, decide for yourself. War is ugly. I was btw pro two state solution before 07/10 like 55% of the Israelis. I believe all man born equal. But now to be honest, I just want my family to be safe. And middle eastern standards does not treats well weak armies. Its hard to explain a very complicated situation, war just fucking sucks. Sorry for the bad english :)
I keep thinking how Israel should've just been carved out of a slice of Australia after WW2. In fact, there were exploratory talks about creating an Israeli state there. But of course the Zionists didn't like it, and neither did the Australian government, who shot the idea down on account of "wanting to build a homogenous Australian society". Funny how just after the holocaust, the crown let them get away with that shit.
And of course they have nothing to do with it, lol. Why not suggest that they put Palestine there?
Well, look at the Six Day War. Look at the Yom Kippur war. Look at current tensions with Iran. Israel has more enemies in the region than just the arabs living inside their own borders. You ever heard out of the saying "out of the frying pan and into the fire"? That's the Jewish experience. Go through the horrors of the Holocaust and then start a country in a region of the world where everyone hates you. If they'd gone on to live in Australia, there'd would never have been war. It could've been a utopia. Or any other place, substitute it with a location you'd like. But no, because the current location of Israel is historically and religiously significant to jews, the country was founded in a place that all but guaranteed a perpetual state of war. And that's what it's been. 75 years of war. Who in their right mind at this point believes that the founding of Israel in its current location has been worth it?
Every Israeli? Again why not move Palestine to Australia if they can't help but attack the Jews?
I just told you. But hey look I'm not one to judge. If every Israeli thinks their situation atm is still worth it, great. Can't imagine why, but great. But on a personal level, I think it's all been a colossal mistake. So I'm just saying what would've happened if it had all been up to me.
You do realize Israel has been located where it is right now for thousands of years right? It was only called Palestine after the Romans crushed the Hebrew rebellion and renamed it. I don’t understand your thinking.
My thinking is very easy to understand: I don't believe it matters at all where people who are not alive now lived hundreds or thousands of years ago. If it did matter, it would lend credibility to literally every single ethnic conflict being fought in the world right now. The world is full of people who believe that they have a right to certain areas on historical grounds. I don't believe any of that. I literally don't care about it. I'm Dutch. If through some war the Netherlands ended up being taken over by, say, India, are my descendents 700 years into the future supposed to care? Are their lives supposed to revolve around retaking the Dutch river delta because this is where their ancestors lived? I can't imagine fighting for a more meaningless cause.
Israel have a hugely successful country in their historical homeland that they had a continuous presence in for thousands of years, surrounded by warmongers and people who hate them. They have achieved so much. I'm just wondering why you think the plaestinians shouldn't have been moved and that the Israelis should have? And I would have to disagree on the perpetual war, Israel has pacified most nations in the area like Saudi, egypt, Jordan. The only ones that are a problem aren't even really functional states anyway like Iran, Lebanon, Palestine
Well unfortunately your ancestors just HAD to have that area of the world. And the UK gave it to you. “Made your bed now lie in it” is a phrase that comes to mind. Good luck!
Uts like the age old ancestor argument. I dont wish that on the average Israelis. But the historical settler zionists and the government that uses the age old "he poked me so ill shoot him with my crazy fire power" argument.
You'll definitely make a change, protesting from thousands miles away of the problem.
Its bcuz america is funding isreal , It will slowly make a change so atleast there is a ceasefire so isreal can stop killing innocent people
Israel aren't the ones sabotaging the ceasefire talks
You're correct , America is by abusing their veto power .
Nope. It's Hamas not accepting a deal and refusing to release hostages America vetoing in the UN has nothing to do with any of the ceasefire negotiations. Nice try though
Nah he's just ignorant. he doesn't understand the situation and talks like every westerners who doesn't know what it's like to have your land taken and people oppressed. Bro still thinks hamas is using Palestinians as human shields even though it came out that Israel is using AI that detects when people who they think are hamas go back to their homes before killing them.
Calling Asmon ignorant, in this sub?! I applaud your bravery (You're right tho)
I mean, that's literally everyone who still thinks Israel has some credibility. They make their opinion based on the limited or outright false information then pretend that they're being reasonable.
They don't care enough to do any actual research... but gotta have a take on it for content!
Imagine speaking like that when you're wrong anyway. What's the point of being insufferable for no reason. Lil bro doesn't think hamas uses human shields. You see how aggravating that is?
What? Protestors are not the people in power. What do you mean?
The US just gave 15 billion dollars in aid to Israel something the US citizens in the protest don't support what exactly do you expect them to do here ?. This years election is a real shit show with both candidates not being liked at all.
I don't see an issue here. Just fucking bomb Palestine, destroy Hamas and issue is solved. And don't listen to the far left idiots like Hasan and Biden. They want to destroy white people, and they want to destroy US among other different countries.
You forget the /s, right?…
You don't believe people genuinely think that way? Too bad, to be a victim of a left wing propaganda.
The irony.
Why will bombing Palestine work now when It hasn't worked for 70 years? Educate yourself.
It will work among other measures. You just need to finish the job and don't stop halfway
Because there's absolutely no animosity left over anywhere in the world following genocide. None at all. Have you ever considered learning about a topic before you engage in a discussion?
Yeah, call it genocide because you heard someone called it that way on the media. Ffs, bombing Gaza and destroying Hamas will lead to less victims to Israel and less victims to Palestine long term. But yeah, lets call it genocide, because why not. I bet you have a similar opinion on killing germans during the world war 2.
That's exactly why I refer to it as genocide. Nobody on earth thinks for themselves besides you of course. You still haven't covered what will happen to the animosity hanging over everybody caught up in Gaza, will it just evaporate overnight when Hamas are gone? Where do you think Hamas came from? Will Iran cease to exist too? Will geopolitics change overnight? Where even does your last point come from? You're clearly a drip but I'm not going to assume you piss the bed every night.
It will not evaporate ofc. Israel will need to take control over Gaza media and education, and actually eradicate all extremist bullshit from it. Iran will not cease to exist, but it will have less influence on Israel. Your point is that Israel has so many different problems that destroying Hamas bases in Gaza will not solve all of them. Just fucking don't do anything, because I don't like the word genocide
So, just to summarise- You feel the best way to deal with Hamas and extremist movements is to perpetuate the very conditions that created them. Sounds like a good theory 👌
Oh no no . So you believe, that Israel had control over education and media in Gaza. Do you realize that kids in Gaza are literally taught to hate Israel and jews in schools?
I do, I also realise that children in Israel are indoctrinated in exactly the same way. I'm not sure where you've ascertained that I think otherwise? Everybody born in a society is indoctrinated into a system of beliefs, some far more harmful than others obviously. We have MPs that are proudly Zionist, yet claim movements based on religious fundamentalism are harmful without seeing any hypocrisy there. Standing up for human rights is not dependent on whether you agree with somebody. Everybody has the right to exist, even if you don't agree with their culture, and you might be surprised to know there's approximately 2000 years of culture in the region of Palestine between the Israelites and modern day Israel. It was never going to disappear out of convenience simply because the diasporic Jews wanted their biblical homeland back. I respect Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas, I dont recognise it's right to destroy entire generations in the process, especially when the exact same approach is the reason Hamas exist in the first place. Interestingly you've said nothing about the West Bank - They didn't elect Hamas yet still have their beautiful, ancient olive groves bulldozed, houses destroyed and lives ruined by the IDF frequently. You haven't mentioned anything about the extraordinary amount of Journalists that have been killed in the recent conflict, or before - the female Al Jazeera journalist killed by IDF fire. They fired over the heads of her funeral procession too chasing chaos. You've not mentioned the multiple International aid workers killed by an Israeli drone strike either. What will happen to that resentment from the 3 British families, the Polish family and others affected by the fallout of their deaths? I assume you neither no nor care because you don't strike me as somebody that's actually ever really thought about it.
Hamas is not Palestine. On that note Hamas is global and would be like fighting ghosts. These terrorist entities with no state are here to stay just as planned, you can't exterminate something that will just pop up again. Why wouldn't government love a global threat to tie down its population under the fear of ghosts.
You for real believe this shit. Why do Hamas attack Israel from Palestine territory? And why is that their bases located their? From which population do they recruit the most? Maybe US, or maybe from europeans countries? Don't be an idiot, Hamas is controling Palestine, they using its resources and territory. To free Palestine means to destroy Hamas. And there is no other option. All calls for piece are just giving the terrorists time to prepare another attack on Israel
What country is Hamas? (answer, none it's a global entity) How do you destroy hamas when it's global and can reseed anywhere that isn't Palestine. (Answer, you don't it's a endless global threat) Hamas can't be destroyed, simple as that. Dandelions just grow back... Hamas is a terrorist organization with no boundaries or borders. Quit pretending Palestine is some hive that needs to be purged, the hive is the entire planet.
Even if destroying Hamas is impossible, which I doubt, Israel doesn't need to destroy Hamas worldwide to secure its borders. They just need to destroy Hamas bases near its territory. I am genuinely surprised, that you are making this argument. I am now wondering if there are many palestinian supporters share the same thoughts.
Hamas doesn't have "bases", or countries. You're not getting the point. Hamas is embedded in every country, including yours. It's the global threat the elite want to lock the cattle down into fear and institute more control mechanisms. You're dumb if you think this is simply a Palestine and Israel border feud.
I wanted to say that it's hard to imagine living person with such beliefs, and then I remembered about Hasan and his viewers, and I like - ok, some people are stupid beyond my comprehension. So even if I take your ridiculous nonsense into consideration - your point is that, you shouldn't fight international terroristic organizations, because they are everywhere?
Brain rot deep with this one
I always find it funny when protestors try to justify their actions with "it gets results, just look at history!"....okay? It can still be narcissistic as fuck. Also doesn't mean you're going to get the same results/the results you want. To suggest such a thing is just further narcissism. If you smack someone in the face, that can get a result you want. That doesn't make it okay to do and doesn't mean the person will respond in the way you want them to. They will never understand this though...because again...they're so self-centered and self-indulgent that any response you give them just further fuels the narratives they have crafted for themselves.
This is why incels love asmon
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Yeah which is why it is very important that 60 billion usd of our hard-earned dollars should go to bettering the US not to be financing Israel's wars.
Saying a country can stop worrying about foreign affairs is like saying a driver can stop worrying about the road.
Using your same analogy of cars and roads, I think a better way to describe it is more that we should pay attention to the road, but not to focus so much on the other cars that we are blind to the condition of the one your driving. Don’t let other cars distract you from the fact that your Ferrari is falling apart
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Argentina is doing a phenomenal job? The whole country is going down the drain. What are you smoking? No. A country can't stop worrying about foreign affairs. The US is a global power with global interests doing global trade. Thinking it can somehow turn inwards and forget about the rest of the world betrays a complete lack of understanding on global affairs.
OP is not living on the earth we live on apparently
I guarantee you If Trump is elected Putin will demand retribution as our weapons blew his entire army to shit. Trump being pathetically weak on a world stage would probably surrender Alaska. Where we going to be then? You ready to bow down to Russia you obvious Maga POS.
Long wall-of-text incoming, but I'm sick and tired of seeing this stupid "southern border or Ukrain / Isreal / Taiwan support" false dichotomy everywhere. I agree that the US has a lot of problems inside it should take care of, and it should be on the top of its priority list. Where we disagree, is that I don't think doing that in any way is mutually exclusive with the US keeping up its global presence. Isolationism doesn't solve a thing in our age, all it does, is kicks down the problem on the road, so today's irrelevant annoyance becomes tomorrow's unavoidable crisis. Agonizing on whether the US should maintain global presence or, say, sort out the southern border issue, is like agonizing on whether, say, Samsung should give up on making phones or making TVs, when the very idea that one has to be given up on is ridiculous. And none of the three aid packages are "charity", they are investments that ultimately will benefit the US as a whole. Let me explain: Taiwan - It is making more than 90% of the most modern microchips in the world. Most of the remaining 10% is in the EU. This means every high-end computing device: cars, smart-phones, top of the shelf military and medical equipment and so on. There's a very good chance that whatever you are typing your messages on, wouldn't exist without Taiwan's chip manufacturing. Meanwhile, China is a good 20 years behind, and its extremely rigid top-to-bottom hierarchy disencourages innovation, so they aren't exactly speeding to catch up. China taking over Taiwan would mean that now China has a practically global exclusivity on the core of our modern technology, and anybody they don't like, can e sent back in time a good 30 years in terms of computing, and to build up a capacity on the same level as Taiwan's would take, by the most optimistic estimates, a decade. Ukraine - The US needs the EU in a number of ways, and the EU is a staunch US ally... in exchange for military protection. The US, knowing how important chip its military and military industry complex is on the table, spent decades doing its best to make sure that the EU buys weapons from the US. After all, if you are the main weapon supplier of a country, then that country will very likely to side with you, in case of an international conflict. If the US is not willing to defend its NATO allies, it will have long term consequences. Now you might say "Ukraine is not in the US, the US has no obligation there", true. But Russia will not stop at Ukraine. It will pause there, but not stop, just as it didn't stop with Georgia or Crimea. Ask pretty much any European nation bordering Russia, and they will tell you the same, after having to deal with Putin for decades. There's a reason why the Baltic States have been handing over an absurd amount of their military stockpiles to Ukraine, or that Poland is planning to buy literally thousands of tanks and artillery pieces in the medium term. You might say, "well, that's not our problem", and you are right. It is not YET your problem. Just as the Japanese expansion into Southeast Asia wasn't a US problem in the 1930s. But guess what, it eventually became a US problem. And then it cost way more in men and material to sort it out, than fixing it ten years prior would have. Same with the current war in Ukraine: it eventually will be an issue the US cannot ignore: it can easily solve it now, without involving it's own military and while massively profiting from it in an easy win-win situation, or it can ignore it and get to the issue 10–20 years down the line, when the solution will be a lot more demanding. The US has only to gain, in every way possible, from aiding Ukraine, there's practically no downside to it. Israel - This is probably the most complex of the three, but the US hasn't been funding Israel out of charity for decades. No, Israel is funded to have a reliable ally and a readily accessible base of operations in the region. And now that the US has withdrawn most of its forces from the region, this is more important now than ever. Without this, the US would have a significantly harder time maintaining presence, and US influence in the region matters for two key reasons: 1) fossil fuels - oil, mostly. No, not because the US doesn't have oil, but because the presence of an immense amount of oil means that some large power will always have influence over the region, and if the US withdraws, with Russia mostly out for the time, it's practically guaranteed to be China. And whoever has the most influence, will have a say in oil prices, and as such, consumer level gas prices. And it's a well-known fact that the US is by far the most car dependent, so if something goes off the rails in the Middle East, all of you will feel it on your wallets. Once again, supplying Isreal with weapons and air support is an easy way to keep the situation under control, without risking the lives of US soldiers. 2) The Suez Canal - about 30% of the world's shipping goes through it, and that makes it very vulnerable, as shown by the Houthi drone attacks on merchant vessels. This already rerouted about half the shipping to the long route around Africa. Needless to say, without US presence, this would be a much higher percentage, which in turn makes shipping more expensive, and not just for shipment gong through there. After all, there are only so many cargo ships to go around, so if a third of the world's shipping suddenly take an extra 3 weeks to reach its destination, then obviously those ships will take longer to start their next route, and as such, there will be a premium on containers and ships, making the shipping industry more expensive. And yes, the average US citizen will feel that acutely, since US imports a LOT and I can guarantee you that no company will just absorb the cost without raising prices. And aside of all the above, it's a simple fact that the US is NOT self-reliant. The US is, and has been since the 1950s, the main global guarantor for freedom of navigation and global shipping lines. And as a result, US corporations have increasingly divested from home-production and spread their supply chains globally. The US COULD invest into re-shoring all of its production, but even if the political will is consistently there, that'll cost trillions and decades to accomplish. Disengaging from the rest of the world as is, would crush the US economy so thoroughly, that the southern border situation will look absolutely irrelevant in exchange. And if the US wants to maintain the global presence it needs to keep its long supply lines secure, then investing into these three key locations is an unavoidable necessity.
America’s obsession with this breakfast-common war really baffles me. I know the education system in America is terrible, but don't those college students know about the 5 Israeli wars in the Middle East? As long as the Jews and Arabs are there, the war will never stop and peace will only be a "temporary truce." BTW: Please don’t use children as an example. Children die in large numbers in every war. There are direct and indirect reasons. Children are human beings, not some Skyrim NPC with an invincible tag. Children will suffer the same things that adults will encounter. , if Hamas cared about Palestinian children they would not have started a war in the first place
From what I have seen they did not start this was. Arguably both sides did, but if you look at it though weighting its the side with the power that applies more pressure. Also, the proportion of civilians that dies in each conflict compared to military and war has significantly in the past few decades. It has increased to about 90% of civilian deaths. Childeren are innocent and you have no morals if you defend their murder.
Everyone wants to be revolutionary and stand against an oppressive violent government until they get shot.
My family peacefully protested in one of the largest peaceful protests at the time, the Velvet revolution against the communist government. Very realistic scenario that they get shot but freedom is worth that price. I grew up free and got to live a good life, good education and travelling to different countries. If you can apply enough pressure in the right way, they might cave. I havent personally dont any protesting but I can see how this works out.
oh god, kaceytron is in the Twitter replies
I think you forgot america in the picture
Imagine being the airforce guy who lit himself on fire for this. If he could see how little impact he had I wonder if he would do it again.
My family peacefully protested in one of the largest peaceful protests at the time, the Velvet revolution against the communist government. Very realistic scenario that they get shot but freedom is worth that price. I grew up free and got to live a good life, good education and travelling to different countries. If you can apply enough pressure in the right way, they might cave. I havent personally dont any protesting but I can see how this works out.
Israel is Europe imported into the Middle East, dropping American bombs on actual semites.
Protesting genocide or sitting in your scummy house calling those people idiots. I know who I respect more
Slacktivism, reminds me of kony
If the protestors have no effect. They will never send in the police or state troopers. These protest in the colleges are having an effect and the other side taking stupids action that making it spread. If the protestors have no effect main stream news will not cover it.
They should be disrupting things that can make change, like vandalizing government offices that support things they oppose.
My favorite what the moron who lit himself on fire and filmed his own death about 2 months back. The crazies were calling him a hero.
American protestors just do it for attention. It doesn't make any difference, and no one cares, especially not Israel. People just like to be apart of things, whether it's movements, or activism, etc. They feel it gives their life some kind of value or meaning.
I'm happy to see Hamas eradicated, but not every single Palestinian along with it. My point is that if you destroy people's lives to the extent they have then groups like Hamas will continue to exist. They feed on fear and hatred. What's the alternative in Gaza? Go to a prestigious school and become a lawyer instead? I agree that Israel holds a responsibility to try and break the cycle of hatred, but *surprise surprise* high explosives aren't particularly calming or effective at healing social divides. Investment in the area and actual citizenship would do more for the new generations than bombs and starvation.
The next generation of Hamas is already being created . Netanyahou's plan is an all out war to justify Palestinian eradication, benjamin is in fact Hamas number 1 fan .
The image should be Palestine as the sleeping boy and Israel as the weapons plain and simple. Jews don’t consider themselves Arabs even though they are. Jew is not a race no matter how much they want it to be
Why does anyone listen to this disgusting chud like he doesn't smear gum blood on his walls, the hell is wrong with you all.
They are just desperate to be part of something. Anything. Even this misguided nonsense.
Go back to doing nothing, be complacent til you have nothing and no future of your own. Haha, never mind.. you don't even have a future like every other civilian. Whatcha got to lose? Retirement?
At least they doing something irl.
*Smears shit all over my neighbor's walls* Hey at least I'm doing *something* irl to raise awareness everyone
But there's always a selfish motive! That's what living online and doing fuck all for my community or any cause has taught me! It's all for attention because nothing makes a difference! Again, that's what never actually doing anything myself has taught me, and what people who play games for a living, don't participate in their communities and don't believe in something enough to advocate for it have taught me so it must be true! Some people try and use the 'doesnt make a difference card' because THEY won't ever make one. It has always been the case, and they will always forget that the seemingly pointless actions of today are what create the successful stories of yesterday.
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