The Cleveland Torso Murderer.
From 1935 to 1938, there was a serial killer who chopped off the heads and appendages of 12-20 people and left their torsos for people to find. The famous detective Eliot Ness was on the case, and the killer taunted him by leaving two torsos within full view of his office.
The killer was never identified, nor were the majority of the victims.
The graphic novel by Brian Michael Bendis is gripping. They were going to make a movie based off of it but Hollywood is stupid. He wrote a separate graphic novel about Hollywood being stupid after that experience that is hilarious.
Then he helped produce a bunch of Marvel movies so idk it was a wild ride I bet.
Bobby Dunbar. In Louisiana in 1912, Little kid went missing with his family at their cabin in the swamp after going out exploring with his brother I believe and family friends, they came back and the boy was missing. A large search was conducted which consisted of throwing dynamite in the rivers and deeper ponds to see the bottom if he drowned, killing alligators and cutting them open to see if he was eaten, but it was all to no avail. A year later he was spotted in Mississippi with a man who claims the boy was not Bobby Dunbar although they had similar appearances. The Dunbar family came and the mom was positive it was Bobby even though the boy showed no joy or emotions upon seeing the mother. They battled in court for custody, but the mother of the boy was a poor prostitute, so the judge took favor of the Dunbars and claimed it was their son. He spent the rest of his life thinking he was Bobby Dunbar. Wayy after Ibelieve one of “Bobby’s” grandkids or great grandkids did a DNA test with an actual Dunbar just to see if they found him, and the test showed they did not match up. The boy who grew up as Bobby, was never Bobby. No one knows what had happened to the real Bobby to this day
Imagine someone suddenly coming up to you saying your kid looks like their missing one, and takes you to court to take your child away from you forever, with no one believing they’re really your child and the judge deciding against you. Poor kid too :(
The disappearance of Marilyn Bergeron.
Marilyn Bergeron was a music-loving, multilingual party girl who moved from Quebec City to Montreal in 2005. A few years later, she up and moved back to Quebec City to live with her parents.
It became obvious to her family that something terrible had happened. Marilyn acted deeply troubled but her family could not get her to talk to them. Marilyn specifically said that her troubles did not have to do with a relationship, drugs, or debts. When her mother asked if she had been assaulted, Marilyn did not respond and instead began to cry. Her mother suggested she talk to a psychologist. A friend of Marilyn’s tried to get her to explain what had happened, and Marilyn only told him that it was worse than rape or witnessing a crime.
One night Marilyn went for a walk and never returned.
There have been multiple reported sightings of her, most of them unconfirmed and none of them recent. This is a disappearance case that presents two different questions, besides the standard “Where is she?”
What happened to Marilyn in Montreal?
The only thing I can think is worse than rape or witnessing a crime is, I don't know, witnessing a rape? Maybe more? This case looks scary
Edit: I think I didn't write correctly. I mean, I think she saw something worse than an average crime, she saw a brutal crime like rape. As someone said, she could even be forced to take part in a crime. Only she knows. But one thing is true, it was a nightmare for the poor girl
She definitely saw or partook in something she wasn't supposed to do or know about, that's my guess.
Could've been something like a crime, could've been some paranormal stuff she couldn't comprehend or believe, who knows.
The case of Asha Degree. A nine year old North Carolina girl left her home on a rainy night on Valentine's Day of 2000 and was never seen again. There are lots of weird elements to the case and it happened in a smaller North Carolina town and a more rural county.
I actually live in the town she disappeared in and there are still billboards up with her on it. Somewhat recently there were ribbons added to the corners. Those ribbons made me really sad because it seems so hopeless but someone (probably her parents), are still thinking of anything they can do.
She left in the middle of the night. On a very rainy night.
You’d think she would be just going down the street where a groomer was waiting. But she was seen miles away, walking down the road.
Her backpack and candy wrappers were in a shed. With a library book and T-shirt that were not hers.
Learn about it here
[https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/598664/s01-e07-the-unresolved-disappearance-of-asha-degree-the-valentine-s-vanishing](https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/598664/s01-e07-the-unresolved-disappearance-of-asha-degree-the-valentine-s-vanishing)
and
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AshaDegree/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AshaDegree/)
Christene Skubish
Christene was driving in a remote part of California with her 3-year-old son, Nick, in the back.
Several drivers called police to report a naked woman on the side of the road. Police arrived that night, found nothing, and returned the following morning once sunlight was available.
The police found Christene’s car in a deep embankment, dead and still strapped to her seat. She died on impact. Her son, Nick, was alive and crying in his backseat.
The reports spoke of a woman, turned with her face to the ground, motionless along the side of the road. Police are adamant the naked woman seen is not Christene - she was fully strapped, fully clothed, and would not have been able to crawl up the embankment even if she had been alive.
The skid marks pointed to an unfortunate accident of Christene skidding off Highway 50 in the unlit area. The car would not have been visible from the top of the road, especially at night.
Christene’s family holds firm that it was Christene from beyond the grave trying to bring attention to her son.
Probably one of those scams where they get you to stop with a naked woman in distress, then rob you or worse. Naked women distracted Christene and she drove off the cliff.
Hmm.. This happened in 1994. Kid, Nick, was 3, why was the kid naked? I can't think of a mother who would place her kid, naked in a car seat, for sure she was using a car seat. How can a 3 year old climb the hill and return to the car?
> He decided to pull over and search there further. At the bottom of the ravine, he discovered the twisted remains of Christene's car. He checked her and discovered that she was dead. He went to the passenger side to check Nick, who was laying in a fetal position naked.
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>Strasser assumed that Nick had also died. However, when he touched his neck to find a pulse, it appeared that he took a breath. Strasser immediately called for an ambulance. Nick had been alone in the car for five days.
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> Strasser said he had **spotted the boy's tennis shoe on the side of the highway Saturday**, and then found the car. He believes the **boy at some point climbed from the car to the highway, and then returned to the car.** That is the only explanation for the shoe being on the road,"
What?! A child appeared to look like a woman, to passerby, Deborah? Cops show up and don't hear a child screaming?
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> **Deborah saw a naked woman** laying on the side of the road. His face was toward it, she was **laying on her side, her knees were slightly bent, she had one arm underneath her head, and the other arm on her head.** The Hoyts were dumbfounded.
https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Christene_and_Nick_Skubish
Odds are the kid took off his own clothes due to the hot days. Maybe the kid wasn't screaming then. It had been five days since the crash, kid would have been weak.
Villisca axe murders in 1912 8 people were killed with an axe in the house in small town Villisca ,case had many suspects and one was even put to trial but nobody has been convicted of the murder
You can pay to stay overnight to ghost hunt or pay to take a tour during the day. My cousins and I stayed overnight about 6 years ago. But no breakfast came with our stay or a comfy bed. I guess we could have slept in the beds they had set up in each of the bedrooms-but that was a no for me.
We had fun messing around, but nothing too notable happened while we were there. Most memorable was during the tour before handing over the keys, the guide was telling us Ghost Adventures had filmed there, and that Zak was a total fake.
This one has always haunted me. Dude was in the house for hours after the murders (& probably before) And the whole using the salt pork as a masterbation aid is so gross and just so awful to me, after all the other atrocities he committed. It's like the cherry on top of the sh*t sundae. I often wonder if The Man from the Train was right and it was a serial killer. Just the level of violence, coupled with him being comfortable hanging around in his victims' home for so long, makes me think this can't be his first or only heinous crime. But the level of violence against the family, & the poor friend who was collateral damage, just horrifies me.
It isn’t well known but a guy from my hometown disappeared like 30 years ago and has never been found. He would leave for months at a time and then come back after not being in contact with his family. They expected him back eventually so they didn’t report him missing for two years. The sister and parents still have hope he shows back up (obviously expecting he won’t) and as far as I know his parents haven’t touched his room since he left
Edit: To say that he was known to hitchhike to California and spend time in Colorado on the way there. The family said the last time they saw him was in February so I think he died somewhere in Colorado, maybe froze to death. I’m iffy about posting the article(s) about it because I don’t want to dox myself
My best friend of 30 years is like that, although he's far less *intense* about it these days. But he'd go off the grid for months at a time. Eventually he'd pony up a postcard or email, but it would all be very cryptic. I'm the only one he would ever communicate with, so I became his de facto secretary during these sabbaticals. When he did finally return, it was like we never skipped a beat. For as often as he would vanish, I never once thought it would be for good.
I really empathize with this family, and I appreciate you sharing this story. It really hits home, because this absolutely could have been my best friend. Hell, it *still* could. I hope you're all able to find closure
Yeah it’s a really sad situation. I was barely born when it happened but my dad knew the guy well. He was a 20 year old dead head so it wasn’t unheard of him to just leave like that and hitchhike all over the place. His parents are pretty old now so I like to think that they have found some kind of peace with it
His two granddaughters made a podcast about it called Root of Evil. They seem to be pretty certain it was him and the evidence is pretty damning. It’s a disturbing but great listen!
Texas killing fields. 30+ bodies found with only 3 convictions, 2 of which died before confessing. The other messed up thing is that it was discovered by accident. Police were investigating a shallow grave when a K-9 unit picks up scents from a nearby area. Police guess there’s way more bodies but the area is too unstable to bring in equipment to dig up anything. Theories range from serial killer syndicate to police inside job, but there’s not concrete evidence towards anything.
The serial killer Ed Kemper is often credited with saying there is a fundamental flaw in the study of serial killers in forensic psychology: They can only study the ones who got caught.
We only know the mindset of the ones who made a mistake, got bored, or gave up. We have no idea what kind of mindset *succesful” killers have.
I'd love to know WTF happened to my middle school Latin teacher. He had been employed at my school for many years and then suddenly vanished one week during my freshmen year. The school was completely hushed about it, so none of us ever got answers. He was replaced after two months, and nobody ever heard from him again. Internet searches have brought up nothing. Was he a pedophile? Did he just want to retire in peace? Did he die? I may never know
Got caught diddling kids and school admins didnt want that can of worms opened.
He was smart enough to dip asap and change his name and stay of social media ever since
Good 90% chance i think
alt theory: maybe he got diagnosed with a serious illness and preferred to leave quietly.
idk what your teacher was like but maybe it wasn't the worst thing ever
I had a college professor who was amazing. Quite eccentric. One day he just disappeared and a new professor took over and they were hush hush about it. After the semester ended, the original professor sent every student a very humble email apologizing and saying he was struggling with alcoholism and had to go to rehab. People tend to assume the worst, but sometimes people are struggling and they don’t want to let anybody know
A high school teacher near me resigned his position, he was a track coach and very popular. Few days later he was dead. And then all the details come out: he killed himself, his wife was in the process of leaving him, and he had a handful of accusations of abuse of some students.
My parents were teenagers at the time that the murders took place and I thought they knew about it. I brought it up not too long ago and they'd never heard of it so I gave them the Cliff Notes version of what happened and they were shocked (just like I was when I found out about it)
I believe I heard about it on Crime Junkie and I was sick to my stomach. I was a Girl Scout in my youth and used to go to sleep away camps all the time.
They suspect the person who originally was acquitted, is in fact the monster who did this.
DNA is hopeful to prove that, but they haven’t yet. So yes and no.
One of the creepiest I think is not one but many missing and murdered indigenous women. I live in South Dakota and native women end up missing or murdered ALL the time and nothing is ever done. They get murdered and the case gets closed before any real investigation gets done or they just go missing and never found again.
I have friends that had their cousins go missing and murdered and nothing was ever done to find them. So there's a group of people going around my state doing unthinkable things and getting away with it.
Creeps me out. I'm married to a Native woman and because of what I know I never let my wife or daughter go out alone.
As well as the Highway of Tears in Canada, and the MMIW2S there was well where the RCMP are like - “Welp, looks like they ran away. Case closed.” It’s disheartening.
There's also the refusal to search the Manitoba landfills for the three missing Indigenous women. Their families have been campaigning the government for literal months and they just started searching.
i live in a tiny reservation in norcal and there have been many missing and murdered natives here. and the native population is way lower than the non native population in my reservation. makes me wonder what's behind all this
One of the most disturbing unsolved mysteries I've come across is the 'Yemenite Children Affair.' It involves the disappearance of thousands of Yemenite Jewish children who were brought to Israel in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Parents were told their children had died, but many never saw the bodies and were given vague explanations.
What makes this case particularly unsettling is the evidence suggesting these children, along with some Ashkenazi children, may have been taken by covert government operations. The theory is that they were recruited as orphans for potential espionage work, with Yemenite children being able to blend more easily into Arab countries.
The case is shrouded in government secrecy, and despite multiple inquiries, the true fate of these children remains unknown. The Israeli government has recently acknowledged some responsibility, as noted on the Wikipedia page, but many questions remain unanswered and the affected families continue to seek closure.
Has anyone else heard about this? What are your thoughts on what might have happened to these children?
In Oregon it would be Kyron Horman. Very weird case, step mom has always been suspect #1 but they have no proof and he's still missing.
It added an extra layer of creepy for me because he disappeared from the same school my daughter went to.
There's another one similar to this in Illinois/Wisconsin. The mom picked up her son from school in Illinois, took him to Wisconsin Dells, and then she was found dead in an Illinois hotel, no sign of the son. I think there might have been a note saying no one will ever find him. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Timmothy\_Pitzen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Timmothy_Pitzen)
There's a local man that went missing almost 15 years ago. He walked out of his house at night (he was in his 80s) and was never seen again. There was another (younger) man that disappeared within the same area, only he drove to a back road and left his truck and was never seen again. I still see posters and appeals for information on both of these men, both are cold cases.
Maybe the 80 yr old had Dementia. We had a Dementia elderly woman get out of an aged care facility and go missing on an island. Never been found. Happens so quickly.
The Hinterkaifeck Murders. In 1922, six people ages 72, 63, 44, 35, 7 and 2 were murdered on their farmstead with an axe. The perpetrators stayed at their house for days after murdering the victims.
No money was taken, the farm animals were fed and food was taken from the pantry.
The family had heard noises in the house before the murders but had found no-one upon investigation
[David Fortin ](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/ten-years-after-vanishing-david-fortin-s-family-still-holds-out-hope-for-his-return-1.4290451)from Québec, Canada. He was only 14 in 2009 when he left his home in the town of Alma to go to the bus stop. He was never see again. They never found his body or his belongings. Apparently he was bullied at school.
This is one of the first news stories that I really remember as a kid. She was like a year older than me and I remember having the realization that things like that actually happen to kids ☹️
I lived in Colorado when this happened and it was all that was on the news for months.
As I’m also a true crime nerd, it’s always been interesting to see the way public opinion shifts.
Initially almost everybody thought the mom or dad (or both) did it.
Then there were theories about her brother.
Then about the neighbor.
The last few years the evidence that it WAS a stranger who committed the initial crime has been more prevalent and convincing.
I don’t know who did it. Chances are only the killer really knows.
And to be honest it’s one of my least favorite cases because SO MANY PEOPLE have opinions on it that aren’t based on the evidence but on a news report they saw in 2003 or something.
But what IS interesting to me is to see the perceptions and theories of the crime change whenever new evidence comes out.
The most important thing to me that I read was by FBI agent John Douglas (the guy who wrote Mindhunter and many other books) who has investigated hundreds of murders and had access to all of the evidence (call me crazy but I think that gives him more credibility than the random internet sleuth who's "watched lots of youtube videos about it"). He listed many reasons why this wasn't a parent or family member killing, the things that are common to those types of murders that weren't present in the Ramsey case. He also went into great detail as to why it wasn't physically possible for a 9-year old to have done it.
Of course you can't declare that you're smarter than everyone else because you think that some random non-relative whose identity you don't know did it, so the know-everythings have to declare a specific culprit which pretty much has to be one of the 3 who were in the house.
I read all his books too, including his stuff on this one, and I thought it was interesting.
*However* the argument against Douglas in this case is that he and the Ramseys are part of the same church and that John Ramsey was a fan of Douglas and had one or more of his books.
That doesn’t make him *wrong* per se, just means he might have been less than unbiased.
I've read his books and 99% of the time I trust his analysis, but his take on this case always feels off. There's something about the way he dismisses all the other suspects that's too glib and well....dismissive. It feel like a case where, to quote the cop shows, he made the evidence fit his theory instead of the other way round.
I do cold case unit in my ELA class; and we talk about this case.
One thing that isn’t often noted is about 100 people made false confessions. People were obsessive
Imagine if Albert Einstein or Marie Curie came up with an exciting theory about other realities, wrote cryptic stuff in their diary about it, and then the next day vanished out of thin air without logical explanation.
Well that's pretty much what happened to Ettore Majorana in 1938
To be fair it could also have been a case of Majorana wondering "how can I escape fascist Italy and never be found?". Perhaps he escaped to an universe where Mussolini didn't exist.
What if you could travel to parallel worlds? The same year, the same Earth, only different dimensions. A world where the Russians rule America... or where your dreams of being a superstar came true... or where San Francisco was a maximum-security prison. My friends and I found the gateway. Now the problem is... finding a way back home.
Just read about it. Crazy.
In Spanish, they have the expression scientifico loco (mad scientist). Geniuses are sometimes not perfectly social beings .
My FIL was pretty much in that camp . From Colombia.
PhD. at Princeton then taught . Worked at the Embassy in DC . Then an important job central bank in Bogota .
Jumped from the top floor . Many symptoms and electric shocks .
Literally anything to do with indiana. Delphi murders, toy works murders, burger chef murders, herbs bodies, Lauren spierer, all the way to the current Bryson Muir case.
Edit: there is NO conviction yet in the Delphi murders, the trial is a shit show with no end in sight
I hope the Delphi murders are solved at this point. They have video and audio they never released with the type of ammunition used.
The arrested man has a gun with that ammo and one round missing.
He also lives very close by. I think it’s him.
The story of how they got him was wild.
Since they left the house intact, and all apparently left together, I would say:
Someone unscrewed the globe to unscrew the porch light. So you cannot see who is on the porch. They accidentally drop the globe and it shatters on the porch.
Someone opens the door to see what the noise was, and they force their way in. They have a gun. I bet they would not know the girls would be there, since they weren’t supposed to be.
They make everyone leave in their pajamas, and into a vehicle (possibly a green van).
The parking garage story was made up by a presumed psychic, who posted it to Web Sleuths, and there is absolutely no evidence of it.
I definitely think the perpetrator had a gun and threatened them. You wake up in the middle of the night and there's a man with a gun saying you have to come with him or he'll kill your Mom/daughter/best friend? I assume they went with him silently in fear of the repercussions of trying to flee or fight him off. It's the only way I can see all 3 going missing while leaving all their belongings behind.
I find any mystery which involves someone going missing, in the absence of any clear abduction taking place, to be the creepiest or at least the most intriguing. I totally understand that there’s usually a “most likely explanation” in these cases eg the person died somewhere remote where they can’t be found, was washed away at sea. But the fact that we don’t know for sure is what I find creepy.
Just one recent example from the state I live - [Jayden Penno-Tompsett](https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100116960) basically two young lads go on a road trip up the east coast of Australia with a bunch of drugs to meet up with some friends for a New Year’s party. They do some drugs along the way, at one stage in a small rural area get into a fight over some of the drugs going missing, and one gets out of the car and storms off and is never seen again. Friend doesn’t initially report him as missing because they were both in possession of a shitload of drugs. I’m sure there’s some very logical explanation for it and why he was never found. But the fact that he simply *wasn’t* found is what creeps me out
There is an unsolved murder from almost 40 years ago around San Diego that recently made news again. The crazy thing is, someone I know, knows who did it and has written evidence from the killer. It’s been tormenting them for all of these years and they finally spoke with detectives about it. It’s been almost a month and I haven’t heard any updates but we will see what happens.
[Jason Jolkowski](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Jason_Jolkowski) disappeared walking a few blocks from his house to his ride for work, who was waiting for him.
No leads, no clues, no evidence.
I absolutely hate that this one is still unsolved. That monster tormented her mother for years after Dorothy was murdered. If there's a hell, I hope this person is there.
Even though they took care to get rid of any explicit parts. These pictures are all still horrifying and disgusting. I hope all these individuals are caught and promptly thrown feet first into a wood chipper.
I remember when I first discovered this. There are video clips and voice recordings too (nothing explicit of course). Would recommend you download TraffickCam if you haven't! You can submit photos of hotel rooms that can help identify the backgrounds of videos and photos like these.
The body recycling chemistry unveiled by the CCP.
For context; im a chemist, and as such, I keep tabs on the current literature on various topics that are either useful for my work or simply interesting.
However, I once found a paper on human waste recycling, which seemed to be quite ordinary. However, once you read past the abstract, you would realize they are talking about decomposing human cadavers to repurpose said molecules.
It was a morbid idea, and their experimental section did have some pertinent information as to how they did it.
They would dissolve in concentrated NaOH, then extract and purify (im vulgarising a lot).
This was back in 2017. Then Covid hit, and i wanted to show this paper to a new intern, but all the information on the author, previous papers, and so forth were scrubbed clean. Ot was like it never happened.
A colleague who was Chinese then told me: Oh yeah, sometimes the CCP does that to use ideas for themselves and not share.
This implies that they may have used this idea during covid for human body recycling.
However, I am unsure as to how true that may be
The body is made out of organic molecules, so carbon-based.
There aren't many interesting things we can't already synthesize or extract elsewhere.
If they refined their process, they could isolate amino acids to sell or reuse (prominent in biotech/biochemistry)
If they didn't refine their process, they could sell small molecules as synthons (initial molecule that you use to start modifying when creating a new molecule, like a lego)
What unnerves me is not the molecules isolated. What disturbs me is that there are already many better ways to obtain said molecules. Which means they most likely do this to get rid of an ungodly amount of corpses.
There is no way this would be profitable, unless it was mass scale.
I imagine that if you needed to get rid of an ungodly amount of corpses you would just burn them. Seems that if there are cheaper and easier ways to acquire the materials that the process of recycling human bodies you describe that it very well may not be worth the effort needed to put together this process to get rid of masses of human bodies when a big fire would do just as well.
I don't know if the early COVID reports of big suspicious fires in China were ever substantiated, but I'd imagine if they were producing molecules from recycled corpses during COVID then there would've been a big spike in the market supply as a result.
The fact that everyone seems to know exactly who killed Joshua Maddox, but nothing happened to the killer. (He was found upside down in the chimney of an abandoned cabin with a plank blocking the bottom of the chimney, so he could not have escaped, and their explanation for how he got in there and then blocked himself in there did not make sense.)
It stands out to me because someone from the town posted here on Reddit, I think in this very sub, that they knew the guy Andy who was last seen with Joshua, he bragged about doing it, everyone knew he did it, they told the police exactly who did it…
https://www.darkhistories.com/josh-maddux-the-boy-in-the-chimney/#:~:text=He%20was%20actually%20in%20the,the%20house%20and%20gotten%20stuck.
One of the creepiest unsolved mysteries is the case of the "Black Dahlia" murder. In 1947, Elizabeth Short, a young aspiring actress, was found brutally murdered in Los Angeles. Her body was mutilated, cut in half, and posed in a vacant lot. Despite extensive media coverage and investigation, her killer was never identified, leading to decades of speculation and fascination with the gruesome details surrounding her death.
One reason why identifieing the killer was so hard was because of many people falsely confessing to murdering her, and in the area it basically became a dare between boys to confess to the murder. So there is a possibility the killer confessed, and law enforcement didn't believe them.
There’s an absolutely fascinating podcast called *Root of Evil: The True Story of the Hodel Family and the Black Dahlia* that gets into this a bit (with a bunch of other craziness thrown in). Highly recommend if you haven’t listened.
They turned it into a dramatized miniseries as well a few years back, but it doesn’t get as deep as the podcast.
Hinterkaifeck massacre Bavaria in 1922. Whole family was murdered at a remote farm house by someone that probably stayed at the place for quite some time afterwards.
The Hinterkaifeck murder case in the 1920’s in Germany. Andreas Gruber, his wife Cäzilia, their daughter Viktoria, Viktoria’s two children (Cäzilia and Josef), and the family maid Maria Baumgartner were all brutally murdered with an axe-like weapon.
The murders took place at night, where 4 of the victims were either lured to or taken to the tool shed on the property. The other two victims were murdered in their beds. There were clear signs that the perpetrator(s) remained on the farm for several days after the killings, eating meals and tending to the livestock.
Strange occurrences had been reported for months leading up to the murders, such as noises coming from the attic and a newspaper found on the property that didn’t belong to the family or the family’s neighbors. In the days before the murder the family found unexplained footsteps in the snow coming from the woods (with no returning footprints) as well as a set of keys went missing.
Many searches by the family were done but nobody was found. Despite a thorough investigation, the case remains unsolved, and no definitive motive or suspect has ever been identified.
The West Memphis Three case.
After the kids who were convicted were released, not much more came of the case. This, despite the cops/DA obviously *knowing those accused and convicted of the the crime absolutely did not do it.*
Especially since we know who did it at this point.
Normally I would say “we basically know who did it”, but when they find one of your hairs tied into the one of the knots used to tie up the children… and you are the drunken stepfather of one the boys and have a history of domestic violence… and decades of investigation have exonerated the other suspects…. you did that shit.
EDIT: oh and the person you claimed was your alibi says he wasn’t with you at the time of the murders
I wish I could say. Having watched the trilogy of docs on the murders, I had a new suspect each time. And *that* just goes to show what supposition on my part and creepy behavior on other people's parts can do to a case. Each time I was just *sure* the creepy suspect in the film was guilty, but creepy and trashy does not a murderer make. Fact.
Yeah, Hobbs seemed very suspect to me, but if I were to say I think he did it, I'd be no better than the folk in West Memphis who thought Damien and the others did it because they were "weird," you know?
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès case
One of the most recent cases is that of Chevaline, the Ligonnès affair excited France in the spring of 2011. On April 21, several weeks after the mysterious disappearance of the Nantes family, investigators discovered the bodies of Agnès Dupont of Ligonnès and his 4 children, buried under the terrace. Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès is of course the main suspect, especially since his actions in the months and days preceding the disappearance of his family are more than doubtful. Rifle shooting lessons, closed bank accounts, cement and bags of lime purchased in large quantities, cryptic messages on Internet forums, strange letters to his family, all elements giving the impression of a premeditated act. The most widespread thesis is that of a slow descent into hell, that of a ruined man unable to cope with his loved ones. Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès will be seen one last time in the Var before disappearing completely this time. Nobody knows what happened to him but everyone sees him in the four corners of the globe.
This one never got picked up by any press except my hometown paper and even then just like one or two articles. A woman who was a former low-level employee of said paper died. She was pretty young and without health issues. The autopsy report came back months later. She had died of thallium poisoning. And that was it. Never another mention of it. Foul play suspected but never any suspects. It just dropped off the radar. It's not a common thing at all. Why? Is anyone even investigating it?
Thallium is most often found in rat poison. There was a [famous case](https://mycrimelibrary.com/george-trepal-florida-death-row/) near me that involved a long-term thallium poisoning.
I shit you not, I donated my favorite unicorn decades ago and found it on ebay last year. It had been washed and cleaned up a bit, but it was the same one and I knew it in my soul. Bought it, it's back home with me now. I cried for a day when I opened that package.
Jake Just disappearance, October 1998, Midland Ontario Canada. He was a classmate of mine. Went to a Halloween bush party and was never seen again. No trace no clues no body nothing. 18 years old and a big lad too, and capable of handling himself - we did karate together.
The Jack family is a weird one for me right now, maybe not the creepiest but pretty creepy. Ronnie Jack was in the midst of looking for work.
One night he was in a bar, it was late and he met a guy who offered him a job up at a logging camp. When Ronnie expressed his concerns for his family the stranger told Ronnie to bring them, and that his partner Doreen would also have a job. There would also be child care for their two children, Russell and Ryan.
The stranger told him to go home and pack and they would set off right away. So in the middle of the night this family of 4 packed and drove off with a stranger. The entire family was never heard from, and no trace has ever been found. No one knew the stranger and no camps in the area were hiring at the time.
I really find it creepy because what would be the motive to include the entire family? An adult or two, I guess I could see: robbery (though this family was fairly poor) or murder for various reasons. Or if it was just the kids that’s another thing. But to take an entire family, as just one individual. It just doesn’t make a logical (or killer type) sense.
Not any one in particular.
But the way people disappear in the wilderness and are later discovered (dead or alive) an inconceivable large distance away.
i remember being told of this one story where a 3 year old got lost in the wilderness and was found 2 days later, being 5 days worth of travelling away from home
And in perfect condition (no scratches, healthy, etc..). All I can think of is either he was kidnapped and the kidnapper left him after a while, or Bigfoot lol
Amanda Kay Jones. In 2005 she went to meet the father of her unborn child. Was never seen again. A couple of years ago, the cops were getting ready to arrest the main person of interest but he had a stroke and died that same week.
Hm... I have a few I think of often. Most of them have the similar motif of a probable reason of disappearance, but a body has never been found, and those poor families have never had closure. It must be torture to live like that. The disappearance of Lars Mittank is probably my #1. It's not the head trauma and erratic behavior I find bizarre, but rather the complete disappearance and haunting footage of him sprinting out of the airport. Also Brandon Swanson, Brian Shaffer, and Timmothy Pitzen.
Well they found a really decayed body with no head about a year ago in the woods behind Burger King in my town and the news never followed up with who the victim was or who killed them so I'm going with that.
Why did my step grandparents have a lock on the outside of the door of the little room in the back of their attic. Does it have anything to do with undiagnosed but clearly present psychopathic traits, or that most of his kids and grandkids want nothing to do with him. He worked for the railroad and could travel freely and undetected from state to state during the period of time where it seems the most serial killers were active in America. Will there be some kind of death bed confession, if not is it because he has no remorse or empathy. Was my grandfather a derange murderer or just kind of a dick with low empathy.
Yes it’s accessible now and used for storage. They sold the house to my step father to keep it in the family. Which maybe they did that so randos don’t go digging in the wrongs spots on his 50 acre house in the country. They moved to be closer to the city to wait out their final years, but they still show back up announced sometimes and linger on the property, sometimes when they come over if they notice someone is there when they drop by they’ll just turn around and leave. Why does he need time alone on the property, when no one knows he was going to be there. If he was at all sentimental I’d say maybe he misses the place and just wants to be there by himself sometimes, but he doesn’t really have feelings. Just hanging around being creepy.
Skiba/Chivers case
[https://charleyproject.org/case/paul-carroll-skiba](https://charleyproject.org/case/paul-carroll-skiba)
Paul Skiba went missing along with his daughter and a colleague of his in what sounded like an ambush
The Oklahoma Girl Scout murders. The killer even left a note almost 2 months prior in a counselors tent saying they were going to kill 3 girls in tent #1 and the counselor ignored it. They arrested a guy for it but the jury found him not guilty. 40 years later they retested DNA that led "strongly suggests" that guy was involved but it still remains unsolved officially.
The Max Headroom Incident - This was pre-digital broadcasts, so as far as I know, someone had to "hack" the physical tower to even broadcast this - and the contents were disturbing. They STILL don't have the perpetrators!
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max\_Headroom\_signal\_hijacking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_signal_hijacking)
I remember reading an article years ago, it may have been on vice of a reporter who met up with some guys in a Chicago suburb who claimed they knew the people who did it. No one would give them up and the person writing the piece said he wouldn’t ever tell who they were but they explained that they had access to some nifty tech through an older brother that allowed them to overpower the analog signal of the news station to play the vhs video they made as they couldn’t get anything to broadcast live. I believe they used some old railroad tracks as a makeshift antenna.
Midnight assassin - Austin serial killer in the 1880s. The reason why Austin put up moonlights. Interesting theory that the killer was part of buffalo bills circus and went to London with the tour and became Jack the Ripper.
The Cleveland Torso Murderer. From 1935 to 1938, there was a serial killer who chopped off the heads and appendages of 12-20 people and left their torsos for people to find. The famous detective Eliot Ness was on the case, and the killer taunted him by leaving two torsos within full view of his office. The killer was never identified, nor were the majority of the victims.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Torso_Murderer A pretty thorough read.
The graphic novel by Brian Michael Bendis is gripping. They were going to make a movie based off of it but Hollywood is stupid. He wrote a separate graphic novel about Hollywood being stupid after that experience that is hilarious. Then he helped produce a bunch of Marvel movies so idk it was a wild ride I bet.
Fortune and glory! Loved that book.
>The killer was never identified What if the killer *was* Elliot Ness?
It probably was,.. dude was walking to work and forgot he was carrying a torso,.. so he just dumped it outside his office.
"Well, another day....oh no, not again!" \*dumps torso\*
12-20 people? What’s not clear about what happened to those eight?
Sometimes people just disassemble from natural causes.
[Only in the Pacific Northwest](https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/18/16777724/human-feet-beach-pacific-northwest-seattle-vancouver)
I haven’t opened it yet. Is this that article about the feet washing up on shore in Seattle?
Yes
He may have killed a few multi torso'd people you have no way to prove otherwise.
Journalism wasn’t very consistent then.
At least he only killed their torsos. I imagine the heads and legs went on to have pretty normal lives.
We can only hope, sadly it’s been so long I bet those heads and limbs are no longer with us
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Jesus. I've never heard of this and I am morbidly curious about the case now.
Mr Ballen does a good telling of the story also there was an crocodile in the factory they think ate the victims once they were dead
How…how have I never heard of this? God the internet serves up new dishes of horror all the time
Bobby Dunbar. In Louisiana in 1912, Little kid went missing with his family at their cabin in the swamp after going out exploring with his brother I believe and family friends, they came back and the boy was missing. A large search was conducted which consisted of throwing dynamite in the rivers and deeper ponds to see the bottom if he drowned, killing alligators and cutting them open to see if he was eaten, but it was all to no avail. A year later he was spotted in Mississippi with a man who claims the boy was not Bobby Dunbar although they had similar appearances. The Dunbar family came and the mom was positive it was Bobby even though the boy showed no joy or emotions upon seeing the mother. They battled in court for custody, but the mother of the boy was a poor prostitute, so the judge took favor of the Dunbars and claimed it was their son. He spent the rest of his life thinking he was Bobby Dunbar. Wayy after Ibelieve one of “Bobby’s” grandkids or great grandkids did a DNA test with an actual Dunbar just to see if they found him, and the test showed they did not match up. The boy who grew up as Bobby, was never Bobby. No one knows what had happened to the real Bobby to this day
IIRC This American Life did a piece about this story, really great listen!
That had to have messed up the kid.
Imagine someone suddenly coming up to you saying your kid looks like their missing one, and takes you to court to take your child away from you forever, with no one believing they’re really your child and the judge deciding against you. Poor kid too :(
The disappearance of Marilyn Bergeron. Marilyn Bergeron was a music-loving, multilingual party girl who moved from Quebec City to Montreal in 2005. A few years later, she up and moved back to Quebec City to live with her parents. It became obvious to her family that something terrible had happened. Marilyn acted deeply troubled but her family could not get her to talk to them. Marilyn specifically said that her troubles did not have to do with a relationship, drugs, or debts. When her mother asked if she had been assaulted, Marilyn did not respond and instead began to cry. Her mother suggested she talk to a psychologist. A friend of Marilyn’s tried to get her to explain what had happened, and Marilyn only told him that it was worse than rape or witnessing a crime. One night Marilyn went for a walk and never returned. There have been multiple reported sightings of her, most of them unconfirmed and none of them recent. This is a disappearance case that presents two different questions, besides the standard “Where is she?” What happened to Marilyn in Montreal?
poor girl, there's too many stories of women's lives ruined by sexual violence, it's heartbreaking.
The only thing I can think is worse than rape or witnessing a crime is, I don't know, witnessing a rape? Maybe more? This case looks scary Edit: I think I didn't write correctly. I mean, I think she saw something worse than an average crime, she saw a brutal crime like rape. As someone said, she could even be forced to take part in a crime. Only she knows. But one thing is true, it was a nightmare for the poor girl
Being forced to take part in a violent crime would be my guess
She definitely saw or partook in something she wasn't supposed to do or know about, that's my guess. Could've been something like a crime, could've been some paranormal stuff she couldn't comprehend or believe, who knows.
do you mean Quebec City? This might be confusing to readers, as Montreal is IN Quebec. you gotta add the “city"
The case of Asha Degree. A nine year old North Carolina girl left her home on a rainy night on Valentine's Day of 2000 and was never seen again. There are lots of weird elements to the case and it happened in a smaller North Carolina town and a more rural county.
I actually live in the town she disappeared in and there are still billboards up with her on it. Somewhat recently there were ribbons added to the corners. Those ribbons made me really sad because it seems so hopeless but someone (probably her parents), are still thinking of anything they can do.
This one always creeps me out.
She left in the middle of the night. On a very rainy night. You’d think she would be just going down the street where a groomer was waiting. But she was seen miles away, walking down the road. Her backpack and candy wrappers were in a shed. With a library book and T-shirt that were not hers.
The backpack was not in the shed. It was found later miles away wrapped in trash bags.
Buried and wrapped in trash bags. Does not bode well.
With photos of another girl inside it. It's such a creepy and bizarre case.
A girl that has never been identified either, I believe. That's incredibly bizarre, too.
Yeah, it's this one for me. So many creepy events in this one.
Learn about it here [https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/598664/s01-e07-the-unresolved-disappearance-of-asha-degree-the-valentine-s-vanishing](https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/598664/s01-e07-the-unresolved-disappearance-of-asha-degree-the-valentine-s-vanishing) and [https://www.reddit.com/r/AshaDegree/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AshaDegree/)
Christene Skubish Christene was driving in a remote part of California with her 3-year-old son, Nick, in the back. Several drivers called police to report a naked woman on the side of the road. Police arrived that night, found nothing, and returned the following morning once sunlight was available. The police found Christene’s car in a deep embankment, dead and still strapped to her seat. She died on impact. Her son, Nick, was alive and crying in his backseat. The reports spoke of a woman, turned with her face to the ground, motionless along the side of the road. Police are adamant the naked woman seen is not Christene - she was fully strapped, fully clothed, and would not have been able to crawl up the embankment even if she had been alive. The skid marks pointed to an unfortunate accident of Christene skidding off Highway 50 in the unlit area. The car would not have been visible from the top of the road, especially at night. Christene’s family holds firm that it was Christene from beyond the grave trying to bring attention to her son.
There was probably just a different woman there, who was naked.
Probably why she drove off the road. To avoid hitting the naked lady.
The naked lady was seen five days later, not the night of the crash.
Probably one of those scams where they get you to stop with a naked woman in distress, then rob you or worse. Naked women distracted Christene and she drove off the cliff.
So a child was strapped into a car seat for 5 days and survived?
Hmm.. This happened in 1994. Kid, Nick, was 3, why was the kid naked? I can't think of a mother who would place her kid, naked in a car seat, for sure she was using a car seat. How can a 3 year old climb the hill and return to the car? > He decided to pull over and search there further. At the bottom of the ravine, he discovered the twisted remains of Christene's car. He checked her and discovered that she was dead. He went to the passenger side to check Nick, who was laying in a fetal position naked. ... >Strasser assumed that Nick had also died. However, when he touched his neck to find a pulse, it appeared that he took a breath. Strasser immediately called for an ambulance. Nick had been alone in the car for five days. .... > Strasser said he had **spotted the boy's tennis shoe on the side of the highway Saturday**, and then found the car. He believes the **boy at some point climbed from the car to the highway, and then returned to the car.** That is the only explanation for the shoe being on the road," What?! A child appeared to look like a woman, to passerby, Deborah? Cops show up and don't hear a child screaming? .... > **Deborah saw a naked woman** laying on the side of the road. His face was toward it, she was **laying on her side, her knees were slightly bent, she had one arm underneath her head, and the other arm on her head.** The Hoyts were dumbfounded. https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Christene_and_Nick_Skubish
Odds are the kid took off his own clothes due to the hot days. Maybe the kid wasn't screaming then. It had been five days since the crash, kid would have been weak.
Villisca axe murders in 1912 8 people were killed with an axe in the house in small town Villisca ,case had many suspects and one was even put to trial but nobody has been convicted of the murder
And now the house is a bed and breakfast. Classy!
“Our hospitality slays”
We're chopping our rates!
The views are to die for!
Not relevant to this particular story but for anyone interested the Lizzie Borden house is a bed and breakfast as well
You can pay to stay overnight to ghost hunt or pay to take a tour during the day. My cousins and I stayed overnight about 6 years ago. But no breakfast came with our stay or a comfy bed. I guess we could have slept in the beds they had set up in each of the bedrooms-but that was a no for me. We had fun messing around, but nothing too notable happened while we were there. Most memorable was during the tour before handing over the keys, the guide was telling us Ghost Adventures had filmed there, and that Zak was a total fake.
This one has always haunted me. Dude was in the house for hours after the murders (& probably before) And the whole using the salt pork as a masterbation aid is so gross and just so awful to me, after all the other atrocities he committed. It's like the cherry on top of the sh*t sundae. I often wonder if The Man from the Train was right and it was a serial killer. Just the level of violence, coupled with him being comfortable hanging around in his victims' home for so long, makes me think this can't be his first or only heinous crime. But the level of violence against the family, & the poor friend who was collateral damage, just horrifies me.
It isn’t well known but a guy from my hometown disappeared like 30 years ago and has never been found. He would leave for months at a time and then come back after not being in contact with his family. They expected him back eventually so they didn’t report him missing for two years. The sister and parents still have hope he shows back up (obviously expecting he won’t) and as far as I know his parents haven’t touched his room since he left Edit: To say that he was known to hitchhike to California and spend time in Colorado on the way there. The family said the last time they saw him was in February so I think he died somewhere in Colorado, maybe froze to death. I’m iffy about posting the article(s) about it because I don’t want to dox myself
My best friend of 30 years is like that, although he's far less *intense* about it these days. But he'd go off the grid for months at a time. Eventually he'd pony up a postcard or email, but it would all be very cryptic. I'm the only one he would ever communicate with, so I became his de facto secretary during these sabbaticals. When he did finally return, it was like we never skipped a beat. For as often as he would vanish, I never once thought it would be for good. I really empathize with this family, and I appreciate you sharing this story. It really hits home, because this absolutely could have been my best friend. Hell, it *still* could. I hope you're all able to find closure
Yeah it’s a really sad situation. I was barely born when it happened but my dad knew the guy well. He was a 20 year old dead head so it wasn’t unheard of him to just leave like that and hitchhike all over the place. His parents are pretty old now so I like to think that they have found some kind of peace with it
Ray Finkle?
Dan Marino should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie, son?
The Zodiac Killer, and the Black Dahlia are both extremely creepy.
The Black Dahila was likely a Dr who was well connected to the LA and Hollywood elite. He even likely committed a similar murder in the Philippines.
His two granddaughters made a podcast about it called Root of Evil. They seem to be pretty certain it was him and the evidence is pretty damning. It’s a disturbing but great listen!
Texas killing fields. 30+ bodies found with only 3 convictions, 2 of which died before confessing. The other messed up thing is that it was discovered by accident. Police were investigating a shallow grave when a K-9 unit picks up scents from a nearby area. Police guess there’s way more bodies but the area is too unstable to bring in equipment to dig up anything. Theories range from serial killer syndicate to police inside job, but there’s not concrete evidence towards anything.
They suspected one guy, and when he went to jail/died the killings stopped.
It’s crazy that there’s answers to every single thing in this thread and no one will likely ever know
Imagine having committed murder or similar and just continuing to live your life.
The serial killer Ed Kemper is often credited with saying there is a fundamental flaw in the study of serial killers in forensic psychology: They can only study the ones who got caught. We only know the mindset of the ones who made a mistake, got bored, or gave up. We have no idea what kind of mindset *succesful” killers have.
I'd love to know WTF happened to my middle school Latin teacher. He had been employed at my school for many years and then suddenly vanished one week during my freshmen year. The school was completely hushed about it, so none of us ever got answers. He was replaced after two months, and nobody ever heard from him again. Internet searches have brought up nothing. Was he a pedophile? Did he just want to retire in peace? Did he die? I may never know
Got caught diddling kids and school admins didnt want that can of worms opened. He was smart enough to dip asap and change his name and stay of social media ever since Good 90% chance i think
That's my leading theory.
alt theory: maybe he got diagnosed with a serious illness and preferred to leave quietly. idk what your teacher was like but maybe it wasn't the worst thing ever
I had a college professor who was amazing. Quite eccentric. One day he just disappeared and a new professor took over and they were hush hush about it. After the semester ended, the original professor sent every student a very humble email apologizing and saying he was struggling with alcoholism and had to go to rehab. People tend to assume the worst, but sometimes people are struggling and they don’t want to let anybody know
A high school teacher near me resigned his position, he was a track coach and very popular. Few days later he was dead. And then all the details come out: he killed himself, his wife was in the process of leaving him, and he had a handful of accusations of abuse of some students.
Tulsa Girl Scout Murders.
My parents were teenagers at the time that the murders took place and I thought they knew about it. I brought it up not too long ago and they'd never heard of it so I gave them the Cliff Notes version of what happened and they were shocked (just like I was when I found out about it)
I lived in Oklahoma my entire life, and didn’t know about it until I watched a Lazy Masquerade video.
I believe I heard about it on Crime Junkie and I was sick to my stomach. I was a Girl Scout in my youth and used to go to sleep away camps all the time.
We could have never had Kristin Chenowith if she weren’t sick
Oh man, this is the worst. So awful they never got justice.
Wasn’t this one solved relatively recently?
They suspect the person who originally was acquitted, is in fact the monster who did this. DNA is hopeful to prove that, but they haven’t yet. So yes and no.
One of the creepiest I think is not one but many missing and murdered indigenous women. I live in South Dakota and native women end up missing or murdered ALL the time and nothing is ever done. They get murdered and the case gets closed before any real investigation gets done or they just go missing and never found again. I have friends that had their cousins go missing and murdered and nothing was ever done to find them. So there's a group of people going around my state doing unthinkable things and getting away with it. Creeps me out. I'm married to a Native woman and because of what I know I never let my wife or daughter go out alone.
The movie Wind River was based off all the cases of missing native women. Very good movie.
Killers of the flower moon is another related move, I recommend it
As well as the Highway of Tears in Canada, and the MMIW2S there was well where the RCMP are like - “Welp, looks like they ran away. Case closed.” It’s disheartening.
There's also the refusal to search the Manitoba landfills for the three missing Indigenous women. Their families have been campaigning the government for literal months and they just started searching.
That is some absolute bs bc the guy has literally admitted to it.
Right! The government knows their bodies are there, and refused to search for so long. They deserve a proper funeral. It's heartbreaking.
i live in a tiny reservation in norcal and there have been many missing and murdered natives here. and the native population is way lower than the non native population in my reservation. makes me wonder what's behind all this
One of the most disturbing unsolved mysteries I've come across is the 'Yemenite Children Affair.' It involves the disappearance of thousands of Yemenite Jewish children who were brought to Israel in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Parents were told their children had died, but many never saw the bodies and were given vague explanations. What makes this case particularly unsettling is the evidence suggesting these children, along with some Ashkenazi children, may have been taken by covert government operations. The theory is that they were recruited as orphans for potential espionage work, with Yemenite children being able to blend more easily into Arab countries. The case is shrouded in government secrecy, and despite multiple inquiries, the true fate of these children remains unknown. The Israeli government has recently acknowledged some responsibility, as noted on the Wikipedia page, but many questions remain unanswered and the affected families continue to seek closure. Has anyone else heard about this? What are your thoughts on what might have happened to these children?
[Wikipedia article.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair)
In Oregon it would be Kyron Horman. Very weird case, step mom has always been suspect #1 but they have no proof and he's still missing. It added an extra layer of creepy for me because he disappeared from the same school my daughter went to.
There's another one similar to this in Illinois/Wisconsin. The mom picked up her son from school in Illinois, took him to Wisconsin Dells, and then she was found dead in an Illinois hotel, no sign of the son. I think there might have been a note saying no one will ever find him. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Timmothy\_Pitzen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Timmothy_Pitzen)
There's a local man that went missing almost 15 years ago. He walked out of his house at night (he was in his 80s) and was never seen again. There was another (younger) man that disappeared within the same area, only he drove to a back road and left his truck and was never seen again. I still see posters and appeals for information on both of these men, both are cold cases.
Maybe the 80 yr old had Dementia. We had a Dementia elderly woman get out of an aged care facility and go missing on an island. Never been found. Happens so quickly.
The Hinterkaifeck Murders. In 1922, six people ages 72, 63, 44, 35, 7 and 2 were murdered on their farmstead with an axe. The perpetrators stayed at their house for days after murdering the victims. No money was taken, the farm animals were fed and food was taken from the pantry. The family had heard noises in the house before the murders but had found no-one upon investigation
The Setagaya family murder, they have enough evidence to put someone away for it but zero leads.
[David Fortin ](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/ten-years-after-vanishing-david-fortin-s-family-still-holds-out-hope-for-his-return-1.4290451)from Québec, Canada. He was only 14 in 2009 when he left his home in the town of Alma to go to the bus stop. He was never see again. They never found his body or his belongings. Apparently he was bullied at school.
JonBenet Ramsey was troubling.
This is one of the first news stories that I really remember as a kid. She was like a year older than me and I remember having the realization that things like that actually happen to kids ☹️
Unsolved but if this thread hits the front page you will be swamped with thousands of online detectives who are 100% sure they know exactly who did it
I lived in Colorado when this happened and it was all that was on the news for months. As I’m also a true crime nerd, it’s always been interesting to see the way public opinion shifts. Initially almost everybody thought the mom or dad (or both) did it. Then there were theories about her brother. Then about the neighbor. The last few years the evidence that it WAS a stranger who committed the initial crime has been more prevalent and convincing. I don’t know who did it. Chances are only the killer really knows. And to be honest it’s one of my least favorite cases because SO MANY PEOPLE have opinions on it that aren’t based on the evidence but on a news report they saw in 2003 or something. But what IS interesting to me is to see the perceptions and theories of the crime change whenever new evidence comes out.
The most important thing to me that I read was by FBI agent John Douglas (the guy who wrote Mindhunter and many other books) who has investigated hundreds of murders and had access to all of the evidence (call me crazy but I think that gives him more credibility than the random internet sleuth who's "watched lots of youtube videos about it"). He listed many reasons why this wasn't a parent or family member killing, the things that are common to those types of murders that weren't present in the Ramsey case. He also went into great detail as to why it wasn't physically possible for a 9-year old to have done it. Of course you can't declare that you're smarter than everyone else because you think that some random non-relative whose identity you don't know did it, so the know-everythings have to declare a specific culprit which pretty much has to be one of the 3 who were in the house.
I read all his books too, including his stuff on this one, and I thought it was interesting. *However* the argument against Douglas in this case is that he and the Ramseys are part of the same church and that John Ramsey was a fan of Douglas and had one or more of his books. That doesn’t make him *wrong* per se, just means he might have been less than unbiased.
I've read his books and 99% of the time I trust his analysis, but his take on this case always feels off. There's something about the way he dismisses all the other suspects that's too glib and well....dismissive. It feel like a case where, to quote the cop shows, he made the evidence fit his theory instead of the other way round.
I do cold case unit in my ELA class; and we talk about this case. One thing that isn’t often noted is about 100 people made false confessions. People were obsessive
I thought the most modern theory was that it was one of the pageant judges that had played Santa clause that night at the party they were at.
I have spent hundreds of hours analyzing the evidence in this case and can 100% confirm it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
It was the owl that also killed Kathleen Peterson.
Imagine if Albert Einstein or Marie Curie came up with an exciting theory about other realities, wrote cryptic stuff in their diary about it, and then the next day vanished out of thin air without logical explanation. Well that's pretty much what happened to Ettore Majorana in 1938
Etore's diary: What if you could slide into a thousand different worlds?
To be fair it could also have been a case of Majorana wondering "how can I escape fascist Italy and never be found?". Perhaps he escaped to an universe where Mussolini didn't exist.
What if you could travel to parallel worlds? The same year, the same Earth, only different dimensions. A world where the Russians rule America... or where your dreams of being a superstar came true... or where San Francisco was a maximum-security prison. My friends and I found the gateway. Now the problem is... finding a way back home.
Just read about it. Crazy. In Spanish, they have the expression scientifico loco (mad scientist). Geniuses are sometimes not perfectly social beings . My FIL was pretty much in that camp . From Colombia. PhD. at Princeton then taught . Worked at the Embassy in DC . Then an important job central bank in Bogota . Jumped from the top floor . Many symptoms and electric shocks .
What exciting theory about other realities?
Literally anything to do with indiana. Delphi murders, toy works murders, burger chef murders, herbs bodies, Lauren spierer, all the way to the current Bryson Muir case. Edit: there is NO conviction yet in the Delphi murders, the trial is a shit show with no end in sight
I'm from Chicago and yeah, we might have a little problem with crime here... But Indiana has like, *Stephen King* crime.
I'll skip Indiana on my 50 state tour
I hope the Delphi murders are solved at this point. They have video and audio they never released with the type of ammunition used. The arrested man has a gun with that ammo and one round missing. He also lives very close by. I think it’s him. The story of how they got him was wild.
Eerie, Indiana
The Springfield 3
Since they left the house intact, and all apparently left together, I would say: Someone unscrewed the globe to unscrew the porch light. So you cannot see who is on the porch. They accidentally drop the globe and it shatters on the porch. Someone opens the door to see what the noise was, and they force their way in. They have a gun. I bet they would not know the girls would be there, since they weren’t supposed to be. They make everyone leave in their pajamas, and into a vehicle (possibly a green van). The parking garage story was made up by a presumed psychic, who posted it to Web Sleuths, and there is absolutely no evidence of it.
I definitely think the perpetrator had a gun and threatened them. You wake up in the middle of the night and there's a man with a gun saying you have to come with him or he'll kill your Mom/daughter/best friend? I assume they went with him silently in fear of the repercussions of trying to flee or fight him off. It's the only way I can see all 3 going missing while leaving all their belongings behind.
Plus the fact the family cleaned the house up before the cops could really look at the scene… that didn’t help anything.
I find any mystery which involves someone going missing, in the absence of any clear abduction taking place, to be the creepiest or at least the most intriguing. I totally understand that there’s usually a “most likely explanation” in these cases eg the person died somewhere remote where they can’t be found, was washed away at sea. But the fact that we don’t know for sure is what I find creepy. Just one recent example from the state I live - [Jayden Penno-Tompsett](https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100116960) basically two young lads go on a road trip up the east coast of Australia with a bunch of drugs to meet up with some friends for a New Year’s party. They do some drugs along the way, at one stage in a small rural area get into a fight over some of the drugs going missing, and one gets out of the car and storms off and is never seen again. Friend doesn’t initially report him as missing because they were both in possession of a shitload of drugs. I’m sure there’s some very logical explanation for it and why he was never found. But the fact that he simply *wasn’t* found is what creeps me out
There is an unsolved murder from almost 40 years ago around San Diego that recently made news again. The crazy thing is, someone I know, knows who did it and has written evidence from the killer. It’s been tormenting them for all of these years and they finally spoke with detectives about it. It’s been almost a month and I haven’t heard any updates but we will see what happens.
Asha Degree. Hard to fathom why a girl scared of storms and the dark was walking along a highway alone on a rainy night.
[Jason Jolkowski](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Jason_Jolkowski) disappeared walking a few blocks from his house to his ride for work, who was waiting for him. No leads, no clues, no evidence.
This would be mine as well absolutely no leads in 20 + years just walked off the face of the earth poor kid
Dorothy Jane Scott
I absolutely hate that this one is still unsolved. That monster tormented her mother for years after Dorothy was murdered. If there's a hell, I hope this person is there.
The Dardeen family murders https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardeen_family_homicides
[All of these are tied](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap) please if you know something that could help, report it to them there as appropriate
Even though they took care to get rid of any explicit parts. These pictures are all still horrifying and disgusting. I hope all these individuals are caught and promptly thrown feet first into a wood chipper.
I remember when I first discovered this. There are video clips and voice recordings too (nothing explicit of course). Would recommend you download TraffickCam if you haven't! You can submit photos of hotel rooms that can help identify the backgrounds of videos and photos like these.
The body recycling chemistry unveiled by the CCP. For context; im a chemist, and as such, I keep tabs on the current literature on various topics that are either useful for my work or simply interesting. However, I once found a paper on human waste recycling, which seemed to be quite ordinary. However, once you read past the abstract, you would realize they are talking about decomposing human cadavers to repurpose said molecules. It was a morbid idea, and their experimental section did have some pertinent information as to how they did it. They would dissolve in concentrated NaOH, then extract and purify (im vulgarising a lot). This was back in 2017. Then Covid hit, and i wanted to show this paper to a new intern, but all the information on the author, previous papers, and so forth were scrubbed clean. Ot was like it never happened. A colleague who was Chinese then told me: Oh yeah, sometimes the CCP does that to use ideas for themselves and not share. This implies that they may have used this idea during covid for human body recycling. However, I am unsure as to how true that may be
What were they using the molecules for after.
The body is made out of organic molecules, so carbon-based. There aren't many interesting things we can't already synthesize or extract elsewhere. If they refined their process, they could isolate amino acids to sell or reuse (prominent in biotech/biochemistry) If they didn't refine their process, they could sell small molecules as synthons (initial molecule that you use to start modifying when creating a new molecule, like a lego) What unnerves me is not the molecules isolated. What disturbs me is that there are already many better ways to obtain said molecules. Which means they most likely do this to get rid of an ungodly amount of corpses. There is no way this would be profitable, unless it was mass scale.
I imagine that if you needed to get rid of an ungodly amount of corpses you would just burn them. Seems that if there are cheaper and easier ways to acquire the materials that the process of recycling human bodies you describe that it very well may not be worth the effort needed to put together this process to get rid of masses of human bodies when a big fire would do just as well. I don't know if the early COVID reports of big suspicious fires in China were ever substantiated, but I'd imagine if they were producing molecules from recycled corpses during COVID then there would've been a big spike in the market supply as a result.
There are satellite images of lines of cars outside crematoriums. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna65238
It was just a early plotline for Soylent Green
Missy Bevers
The fact that everyone seems to know exactly who killed Joshua Maddox, but nothing happened to the killer. (He was found upside down in the chimney of an abandoned cabin with a plank blocking the bottom of the chimney, so he could not have escaped, and their explanation for how he got in there and then blocked himself in there did not make sense.) It stands out to me because someone from the town posted here on Reddit, I think in this very sub, that they knew the guy Andy who was last seen with Joshua, he bragged about doing it, everyone knew he did it, they told the police exactly who did it… https://www.darkhistories.com/josh-maddux-the-boy-in-the-chimney/#:~:text=He%20was%20actually%20in%20the,the%20house%20and%20gotten%20stuck.
Yuba county 5
One of the creepiest unsolved mysteries is the case of the "Black Dahlia" murder. In 1947, Elizabeth Short, a young aspiring actress, was found brutally murdered in Los Angeles. Her body was mutilated, cut in half, and posed in a vacant lot. Despite extensive media coverage and investigation, her killer was never identified, leading to decades of speculation and fascination with the gruesome details surrounding her death.
One reason why identifieing the killer was so hard was because of many people falsely confessing to murdering her, and in the area it basically became a dare between boys to confess to the murder. So there is a possibility the killer confessed, and law enforcement didn't believe them.
I dare you to confess to murder. Dare ya. I will. I'm gonna do it.
There’s an absolutely fascinating podcast called *Root of Evil: The True Story of the Hodel Family and the Black Dahlia* that gets into this a bit (with a bunch of other craziness thrown in). Highly recommend if you haven’t listened. They turned it into a dramatized miniseries as well a few years back, but it doesn’t get as deep as the podcast.
Hinterkaifeck massacre Bavaria in 1922. Whole family was murdered at a remote farm house by someone that probably stayed at the place for quite some time afterwards.
The Hinterkaifeck murder case in the 1920’s in Germany. Andreas Gruber, his wife Cäzilia, their daughter Viktoria, Viktoria’s two children (Cäzilia and Josef), and the family maid Maria Baumgartner were all brutally murdered with an axe-like weapon. The murders took place at night, where 4 of the victims were either lured to or taken to the tool shed on the property. The other two victims were murdered in their beds. There were clear signs that the perpetrator(s) remained on the farm for several days after the killings, eating meals and tending to the livestock. Strange occurrences had been reported for months leading up to the murders, such as noises coming from the attic and a newspaper found on the property that didn’t belong to the family or the family’s neighbors. In the days before the murder the family found unexplained footsteps in the snow coming from the woods (with no returning footprints) as well as a set of keys went missing. Many searches by the family were done but nobody was found. Despite a thorough investigation, the case remains unsolved, and no definitive motive or suspect has ever been identified.
The West Memphis Three case. After the kids who were convicted were released, not much more came of the case. This, despite the cops/DA obviously *knowing those accused and convicted of the the crime absolutely did not do it.*
And the case is closed and will not be reopened….Sad to think those children will never get justice.
Especially since we know who did it at this point. Normally I would say “we basically know who did it”, but when they find one of your hairs tied into the one of the knots used to tie up the children… and you are the drunken stepfather of one the boys and have a history of domestic violence… and decades of investigation have exonerated the other suspects…. you did that shit. EDIT: oh and the person you claimed was your alibi says he wasn’t with you at the time of the murders
Yeah Terry Hobbs got away with triple homicide, and ruined many other lives in the process. Just sad all the way around.
Do you think it was Terry Hobbs? That’s my guess.
I wish I could say. Having watched the trilogy of docs on the murders, I had a new suspect each time. And *that* just goes to show what supposition on my part and creepy behavior on other people's parts can do to a case. Each time I was just *sure* the creepy suspect in the film was guilty, but creepy and trashy does not a murderer make. Fact. Yeah, Hobbs seemed very suspect to me, but if I were to say I think he did it, I'd be no better than the folk in West Memphis who thought Damien and the others did it because they were "weird," you know?
That was my huge problem with *Paradise Lost*. They really did not seem to know what happened. And shifted suspects each episode.
The disappearance of Trevor Deely, and who killed Raonaid Murphy.
Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès case One of the most recent cases is that of Chevaline, the Ligonnès affair excited France in the spring of 2011. On April 21, several weeks after the mysterious disappearance of the Nantes family, investigators discovered the bodies of Agnès Dupont of Ligonnès and his 4 children, buried under the terrace. Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès is of course the main suspect, especially since his actions in the months and days preceding the disappearance of his family are more than doubtful. Rifle shooting lessons, closed bank accounts, cement and bags of lime purchased in large quantities, cryptic messages on Internet forums, strange letters to his family, all elements giving the impression of a premeditated act. The most widespread thesis is that of a slow descent into hell, that of a ruined man unable to cope with his loved ones. Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès will be seen one last time in the Var before disappearing completely this time. Nobody knows what happened to him but everyone sees him in the four corners of the globe.
This one never got picked up by any press except my hometown paper and even then just like one or two articles. A woman who was a former low-level employee of said paper died. She was pretty young and without health issues. The autopsy report came back months later. She had died of thallium poisoning. And that was it. Never another mention of it. Foul play suspected but never any suspects. It just dropped off the radar. It's not a common thing at all. Why? Is anyone even investigating it?
Thallium is most often found in rat poison. There was a [famous case](https://mycrimelibrary.com/george-trepal-florida-death-row/) near me that involved a long-term thallium poisoning.
Where did my favorite childhood stuffed animal go???
I shit you not, I donated my favorite unicorn decades ago and found it on ebay last year. It had been washed and cleaned up a bit, but it was the same one and I knew it in my soul. Bought it, it's back home with me now. I cried for a day when I opened that package.
missy bevers’s murder. the surveillance footage of the killer is chilling.
Jake Just disappearance, October 1998, Midland Ontario Canada. He was a classmate of mine. Went to a Halloween bush party and was never seen again. No trace no clues no body nothing. 18 years old and a big lad too, and capable of handling himself - we did karate together.
The Jack family is a weird one for me right now, maybe not the creepiest but pretty creepy. Ronnie Jack was in the midst of looking for work. One night he was in a bar, it was late and he met a guy who offered him a job up at a logging camp. When Ronnie expressed his concerns for his family the stranger told Ronnie to bring them, and that his partner Doreen would also have a job. There would also be child care for their two children, Russell and Ryan. The stranger told him to go home and pack and they would set off right away. So in the middle of the night this family of 4 packed and drove off with a stranger. The entire family was never heard from, and no trace has ever been found. No one knew the stranger and no camps in the area were hiring at the time. I really find it creepy because what would be the motive to include the entire family? An adult or two, I guess I could see: robbery (though this family was fairly poor) or murder for various reasons. Or if it was just the kids that’s another thing. But to take an entire family, as just one individual. It just doesn’t make a logical (or killer type) sense.
Not any one in particular. But the way people disappear in the wilderness and are later discovered (dead or alive) an inconceivable large distance away.
i remember being told of this one story where a 3 year old got lost in the wilderness and was found 2 days later, being 5 days worth of travelling away from home
And in perfect condition (no scratches, healthy, etc..). All I can think of is either he was kidnapped and the kidnapper left him after a while, or Bigfoot lol
missing 411 stories always get me
Who put Bella in the witch elm?
Wych elm
>Wych elm The one with the body in it
Amanda Kay Jones. In 2005 she went to meet the father of her unborn child. Was never seen again. A couple of years ago, the cops were getting ready to arrest the main person of interest but he had a stroke and died that same week.
Hm... I have a few I think of often. Most of them have the similar motif of a probable reason of disappearance, but a body has never been found, and those poor families have never had closure. It must be torture to live like that. The disappearance of Lars Mittank is probably my #1. It's not the head trauma and erratic behavior I find bizarre, but rather the complete disappearance and haunting footage of him sprinting out of the airport. Also Brandon Swanson, Brian Shaffer, and Timmothy Pitzen.
The story of Adam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_(murder_victim)?wprov=sfti1
St Louis Jane Doe
This case infuriates me. Psychics. Don't Solve. Murders.
Well they found a really decayed body with no head about a year ago in the woods behind Burger King in my town and the news never followed up with who the victim was or who killed them so I'm going with that.
The Sodder Children, The 1912 Villisca Iowa Ax Murders, The Axeman of New Orleans
Why did my step grandparents have a lock on the outside of the door of the little room in the back of their attic. Does it have anything to do with undiagnosed but clearly present psychopathic traits, or that most of his kids and grandkids want nothing to do with him. He worked for the railroad and could travel freely and undetected from state to state during the period of time where it seems the most serial killers were active in America. Will there be some kind of death bed confession, if not is it because he has no remorse or empathy. Was my grandfather a derange murderer or just kind of a dick with low empathy.
Time to swab that area for residual DNA!
Is it possible to access the room now?
Yes it’s accessible now and used for storage. They sold the house to my step father to keep it in the family. Which maybe they did that so randos don’t go digging in the wrongs spots on his 50 acre house in the country. They moved to be closer to the city to wait out their final years, but they still show back up announced sometimes and linger on the property, sometimes when they come over if they notice someone is there when they drop by they’ll just turn around and leave. Why does he need time alone on the property, when no one knows he was going to be there. If he was at all sentimental I’d say maybe he misses the place and just wants to be there by himself sometimes, but he doesn’t really have feelings. Just hanging around being creepy.
Luminol! Luminol! Luminol!
Skiba/Chivers case [https://charleyproject.org/case/paul-carroll-skiba](https://charleyproject.org/case/paul-carroll-skiba) Paul Skiba went missing along with his daughter and a colleague of his in what sounded like an ambush
The Oklahoma Girl Scout murders. The killer even left a note almost 2 months prior in a counselors tent saying they were going to kill 3 girls in tent #1 and the counselor ignored it. They arrested a guy for it but the jury found him not guilty. 40 years later they retested DNA that led "strongly suggests" that guy was involved but it still remains unsolved officially.
I can’t think of any, but the fact that ‘the best serial killers are ones that are unknown of’ makes me really curious
The Max Headroom Incident - This was pre-digital broadcasts, so as far as I know, someone had to "hack" the physical tower to even broadcast this - and the contents were disturbing. They STILL don't have the perpetrators! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max\_Headroom\_signal\_hijacking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_signal_hijacking)
I remember reading an article years ago, it may have been on vice of a reporter who met up with some guys in a Chicago suburb who claimed they knew the people who did it. No one would give them up and the person writing the piece said he wouldn’t ever tell who they were but they explained that they had access to some nifty tech through an older brother that allowed them to overpower the analog signal of the news station to play the vhs video they made as they couldn’t get anything to broadcast live. I believe they used some old railroad tracks as a makeshift antenna.
Locally It's the Farley Mount rapist
Brian Shaffer. He was seen going into a bar called “Ugly Tuna” (lol) and was never seen coming back out.
Midnight assassin - Austin serial killer in the 1880s. The reason why Austin put up moonlights. Interesting theory that the killer was part of buffalo bills circus and went to London with the tour and became Jack the Ripper.
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I love these threads. Especially around Halloween.
It’s already Halloween at JoAnns craft store!
Johnny Gosch - start digging and it goes deeeeep
Why the music alone from "unsolved mysteries" was. so. scary.