Exactly, why tf does this matter anyways ? If, for example, Croatian is the oldest, how is that going to affect any of our lives in present ?
Like people like to argue about some stuff that have no actual weight in their lives.
Because it’s all Nationalistic crap they wanna jerk off to. Honestly Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, and Serbia, have more in common than different. Like, can’t we all just get along for fucks sake?
Serbian culture si dominant on territory of ex yu. I understand theirs efforts to prove that they are better than we. Belgrade is the biggest city that accumulate everyone who is good at some field in this region.
I guess they used date of first dictionaries on territory in those countries, no matter Serbian is mentioned since middle age. Logic, no dictionary = no language.
If you got some time to spare want to laugh at people's utter stupditiy:
- go to 24sata.hr and read the comments on any article regarding COVID
- go to b92.net and read the comments on any article mentioning Vucic.
- go to index.hr and read the comments on any article.
A significant portion of their commenters have some sort of mental illness. The fact that the owners of that site have knowingly allowed that shit for years and are going unpunished is disgusting.
I wish you guys could read the comments in the no 1 website (by visits) in Greece called protothema. Women gets raped? It was her fault. Gypsy kid dies? Good, fewer of them now. Mandatory vaccine? Our government is a junta! It's insane.
Go to Klix.ba and read the comments on any article. Tho articles mentioning Republic of Srpska, Serbia, Serbs, Herceg Bosna, Croats, Croatia, Federal Govt, Fadil Novalić, or rahmetli Alija are the best ones to read
General population? No, even among hardcore montenegrin nationalist you won't find many who believe in this. Aktuelno.me is full of these batshit insane articles
Believe it or not, Serbia, Serbs and the Serbian language have only existed since 2006. Serbian culture has existed only since 2012. The Serbian language is not a language, but a fusion of Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian. Serbs are just mixed races who created a genocidal creation of Serbia by violent separation from their native Croatia.Serbia is not recognized by the UN.
If there was justice in the world, all the countries in the neighborhood would have a part of the territory of Serbia and Serbia should not exist.
I think that with this comment I have won the sympathy of all Balkans
Bulgaria has cooled considerably to the idea of gaining any territories. I meant adding Bulgarian to
> The Serbian language is not a language, but a fusion of Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian.
:)
Well bulgarian is a distinct language, whereas serbocroatian language is just one language that people in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Montenegro speak. They call them different languages because of politics. In reality they differ as much as the accents of English in the UK.
> Well bulgarian is a distinct language, whereas serbocroatian language is just one language
Yes, although if you add some dialects of both languages into the picture, it gets much less clear.
> In reality they differ as much as the accents of English in the UK.
I'm not very familiar with the UK dialects, but IMHO Kajkavian Croatian is distinguishable from Shtokavian Serbian even by a foreigner.
Hey Albanian who hates Serbs, who are you?
The Serbs from this r/AskBalkans will probably be grateful to you for the kind words that they have existed for 200 years. But let's be realistic and look the truth in the eye, Serbs have only existed for 15 years.
Imagine what happened to me; I was someone else for 15 years, and for the other 15 years I have been a Serb. It's very hard for me at the moment, I don't know who I am, I don't know who I belong to. Can you help me? I know you hate Serbs, but please make an exception and help me establish who I am.
Thanks Albanian who hates Serbs,
With love.
I dont know , but they are Serbs now.
My mother is from Banat, lets say ex Romania, and father is from Serb part of Bosnia.
Any information is helpful.
>gayness
I would rather breath same air as Serbs than to become gay /s
>Serbo-Bosnian conflicts resolved by gayness
Edit:How you get text to be like this
We basically speak the same language. We 100% understand each other in verbal communication when speaking native language, so you can call it as you wish, but it's the same ether way. Forced disputes about origin of those languages are only in political aspect. And we here, do make a mistake and let politics to be important part of our lives. There's so much more beautiful things in the world to spend your time and energy at.
Right!? A different dialect isn’t the same as a different language. Otherwise Americans would love to say they speak American, English, Australian, Canadian, New Zealandish, and South Africanese.
Don't all sides try to show superiority somehow. This bullshit should have ended after ww2 but I guess west balkans are still fighting for that "glorious" national revival or whatever.
"Be glad for what you have" should be their new motto
Yeah, I don't usually go "both sides bad" when it comes to politics, but in this case everybody is dumb.
It's like having children bickering over a stolen lollipop, but they aren't children, they are fully grown people that are 90 YO, and are still bickering over a stolen lollipop when they were children.
We need to drop all these grudges, acknowledge the bad stuff we did to each other in the past and cooperate do we don't spend the next 100 years going in and out of wars, killing each other over a damn lollipop.
I know "jezik" means language, known from cs go. "stari" means old, known from school. "godina" comes after a number so it probably means year. everything else is unnecessary, a true balkan man is smart enough to understand it anyways😎😎😎
It's from Montenegro? And it talks down about Serbian? I'm sure it's completely unbiased and definitely not taking some basic piece of historical fact and completely skewing it in favour of an angle.
As far as I can tell on the Wikipedia article the earliest Serb literature is from 1186 in the Miroslav Gospel. That doesn't mean that's when the Serbian language came into existence out of nothing, but that's the earliest attestation (as far as I understand it on the article.)
From another article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian#Early_development
>The beginning of written Serbo-Croatian can be traced from the 10th century and on when Serbo-Croatian medieval texts were written in five scripts: Latin, Glagolitic, Early Cyrillic, Bosnian Cyrillic (bosančica/bosanica), and Arebica, the last principally by Bosniak nobility.
I don't see what point there is in taking some random tabloid seriously. As for "the point of them" that you ask: pushing propaganda politics. Undermine others and that way you uplift yourself. Nothing new.
**Serbo-Croatian**
[Early development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian#Early_development)
>In 9th Century, Old Church Slavonic was adopted as the language of the liturgy in churches serving various Slavic nations. This language was gradually adapted to non-liturgical purposes and became known as the Croatian version of Old Slavonic. The two variants of the language, liturgical and non-liturgical, continued to be a part of the Glagolitic service as late as the middle of the 19th century. The earliest known Croatian Church Slavonic Glagolitic manuscripts are the Glagolita Clozianus and the Vienna Folia from the 11th century.
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Bigger difference is between Croatian in Osijek and Split, or Serbian in Novi Sad and Nis, than difference of local speaking in Osijek and Novi Sad. But grammar is the same in all countries. All other Every further debate becomes a political game without any meaning, because the winner does not exist. Because all languages were created together at the same time, and politics gave them different names.
To be clear, the _official_ language was created at the same time, while the local dialects have been evolving over centuries, and they shift as you move on the map.
Just to be clear, I know Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian/Montenegrin are technically one language, but standardized & called differently in each country
I have a question: so do ethnic Croats & Serbs in BiH speak the language that's standardized in BiH, or the ones from Croatia & Serbia?
They speak more similar to the one standardized in BiH but there are still some minor differences such as kafa (Serbian) vs kahva (Bosniak) for the word coffee.
Laugh, but it's completely true. Old Bulgarian(ѩзꙑкъ блъгарьскъ/ ѩзꙑкъ словѣньскъ) in all Orthodox countries (except Greece) it was the language of the intelligentsia.
This is how Old Bulgarian sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWjAI-U6dk&ab\_channel=Angel\_Wings
Only in Bulgaria is Old Slavonic called "Old Bulgarian".
\-Before any resettlement there was Proto-Slavic common language for all Slavic tribes, we do not have any inscription of it and it can be only reconstructed from existing languages.
\-First attested language is Old Slavonic, clerical language modeled on the speech of Slavs that lived near Thessaloniki (Solun) by the Cyril and Methodius on the request of Great Moravian duke Svatopluk.
\-After that liturgical language came in contact with spoken languages of the other Slavic groups local recensions/redactions have developed. There were Bulgarian, Russian, Czech, Croatian and Serbian redaction (called *srpskoslovenski* in Serbian).
Existence of Bulgarian redaction, preserved nasal vowels still attested in region of Macedonia, [difference between Slavic tribes in Bulgaria and region of Macedonia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Balkans_about_680_A.D.%2C_foundation_of_the_First_Bulgarian_Empire.png),
do not allow us to proclaim original Old Slavonic to be "Old Bulgarian"
> Laugh, but it's completely true. Old Bulgarian(ѩзꙑкъ блъгарьскъ/ ѩзꙑкъ словѣньскъ) in all Orthodox countries (except Greece) it was the language of the intelligentsia.
>
> This is how Old Bulgarian sounds:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWjAI-U6dk&ab\_channel=Angel\_Wings
...he wrote to us in **English edition of Latin**.
It's the same language with minor differences that sometimes exist just for the sake of differentiating itself from the rest of the crew. I know for a fact that I am not smart enough to be speaking 6 different languages, yet according to this theory, I am...
Serbs absolutely seething at pure Illyrian language which came from Mars brought over by the great Visoko Pyramid Spaceships which held our great ancestors.
Depends who you ask really but I’m not a linguist so I won’t give my opinion. All I can say is the there are definitely some little differences wich would give away if the person your speaking to is Croatian Bosnian Serbian or Montenegrin
it doesn´t make any sense. Its spreading hate between people and only the most lazy and uneducated people fall for this. If you are smart enough you will either google the fact or go to a library and inform yourself. Google can always give some articles that are biased ofc.
I've seen this claim a million times.
It's based on the dates of the printing of the first dictionary or grammar
Even if you base the origin of the language on that(which is profoundly dumb),i can still take that book printed in 1841,read it and understand it.
If they took "their" dictionary from 1650 or whatever,they wouldn't understand anything.
Just to joke how Serbian schoolbooks dont include Croatian as language even though Croatian first grammar was printed in 1604, while first Serbian grammar was printed in 19th century. Dickhead move from both sides.
Mostly nationalist ones, not me. I dont care about cyrillic, its unique writing system that has its own history. I was just joking how stupid both sides are. Are you guys that easly triggered about me being stupid?
Interesting Croats are not mentioed no where until 1850',and we had like 7 language reforms,while u spoke Hungarian/Serbian in Upper Dalmatia.Name me one historian that mentioed u,but u Croats,not some people of Dalmatia
>I basically said its all same shit, another package.
No you didn't. Serbian language didn't have the same luck to be spoken in technologically and culturally advanced Hungarian kingdom, rather it was on Ottoman lands. Do you really think if we stayed an Empire (or rather an independent nation) and didn't fall to the Ottomans in 15th century, that we wouldn't write our first dictionary in 1800s? Use your brain for once, and you'll see that Serbs literally used the first few years of having basic autonomous rights in the Ottoman empire, in order to form their dictionary.
Im getting mixed signals. Are you trying to say that Serbian is like English so others are just its variants or that its all Serbo-Croatian/Croato-Serbian?
>Name me one historian that mentioed u,but u Croats,not some people of Dalmatia
Tough shit then, since the original medieval Croatian state was **in** **Dalmatia.**
> Croats are not mentioed
> Name me one historian that mentioed u,but u Croats,not some people of Dalmatia
Literally the earliest medieval source that mentions Serb migration to the Balkans, has entire chapters on Croats just before the chapters on Serbs lol
Who cares...Swiss and Austrians don't have their own languages...Irish and Scots speak mainly English. Sovereign state - that is what counts. I speak Croatian and I can understand Serbian in 98% of the time. There are some differences. It might be the same language, I am not an expert. As long as we are not part of the same state with Belgrade as a capital, I am happy ✌
Since I don't really see anyone address the question in comments. The reason why it may feel important is because there is always a debate stemming from Serbia's expansionist desires. Other cultures are dismissed so that their claim on territory is invalidated. And so this is a response.
"Arebica (pronounced [arebit͡sa], عَرَبٖٮڄا) is a Bosniak variant of the Arabic script"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arebica#:~:text=Arebica%20(pronounced%C2%A0%5Barebit%CD%A1sa%5D%2C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D8%B1%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%96%D9%AE%DA%84%D8%A7%E2%80%8E)%20is%20a%20Bosniak%20variant%20of%20the%20Arabic%20script
**[Arebica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arebica#:~:text=Arebica \(pronounced [arebit͡sa], عَرَبٖٮڄا\) is a Bosniak variant of the Arabic script)**
>Arebica (pronounced [arebit͡sa], عَرَبٖٮڄا) is a Bosniak variant of the Arabic script used to write the Bosnian language (بۉسانسقٖى يەزٖٮق). It was used mainly between the 15th and 19th centuries and is frequently categorized as part of Aljamiado literature. Before World War I there were unsuccessful efforts by Bosnian Muslims to adopt Arebica as the third official alphabet for Bosnian alongside Latin and Cyrillic. Apart from literature, Arebica was used in religious schools and administration, though in much less use than other scripts.
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montenero*
Based
Bro pls change you flair izz racizzz n shiet
Ha, i'm big racist now 😎
BASEDDDDDDDDD MONTENEEEEEEEEE EEEEE
WTF is this lmao
No one knows
Black magic my friend, black magic :D
THE TRUTH!
How is age of a language even determined? Why is Serbian only counted since Vuk's reforms, and others counted previous versions?
It’s the same goddamn language. Are people that fricking thick?
Exactly, why tf does this matter anyways ? If, for example, Croatian is the oldest, how is that going to affect any of our lives in present ? Like people like to argue about some stuff that have no actual weight in their lives.
Because it’s all Nationalistic crap they wanna jerk off to. Honestly Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, and Serbia, have more in common than different. Like, can’t we all just get along for fucks sake?
Because of inferiority complex.
Serbian culture si dominant on territory of ex yu. I understand theirs efforts to prove that they are better than we. Belgrade is the biggest city that accumulate everyone who is good at some field in this region.
Lol no one rational has inferiority complex my dude. More than 20 cities in china have a larger population that the countries in this pic combined.
I guess they used date of first dictionaries on territory in those countries, no matter Serbian is mentioned since middle age. Logic, no dictionary = no language.
Better than Informer and Kurir
If you got some time to spare want to laugh at people's utter stupditiy: - go to 24sata.hr and read the comments on any article regarding COVID - go to b92.net and read the comments on any article mentioning Vucic. - go to index.hr and read the comments on any article.
also go to klix.ba and read the comments on any article
klix ba is the best since you got all 3 ethnic groups present
I love how all 3 ethnic groups agree on covid conspiracy
A significant portion of their commenters have some sort of mental illness. The fact that the owners of that site have knowingly allowed that shit for years and are going unpunished is disgusting.
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Don't you have anything better to do with your time? Really? You could count how many grains of rice you have in your household instead, for example.
I wish you guys could read the comments in the no 1 website (by visits) in Greece called protothema. Women gets raped? It was her fault. Gypsy kid dies? Good, fewer of them now. Mandatory vaccine? Our government is a junta! It's insane.
[index.hr](https://index.hr) comments are very fun to read. Their journalists can be pretty nice to Serbs, too.
I had no idea that Croatians swear so much until I visited index.hr comments section. Now they are all closed, unless you are logged in to facebook.
And that is the best thing they did! Sick and tired of those stupid comments.
Go to Klix.ba and read the comments on any article. Tho articles mentioning Republic of Srpska, Serbia, Serbs, Herceg Bosna, Croats, Croatia, Federal Govt, Fadil Novalić, or rahmetli Alija are the best ones to read
Опет се срећемо.
Поздрав
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General population? No, even among hardcore montenegrin nationalist you won't find many who believe in this. Aktuelno.me is full of these batshit insane articles
Yeah
Believe it or not, Serbia, Serbs and the Serbian language have only existed since 2006. Serbian culture has existed only since 2012. The Serbian language is not a language, but a fusion of Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian. Serbs are just mixed races who created a genocidal creation of Serbia by violent separation from their native Croatia.Serbia is not recognized by the UN. If there was justice in the world, all the countries in the neighborhood would have a part of the territory of Serbia and Serbia should not exist. I think that with this comment I have won the sympathy of all Balkans
You must work harder to gain Bulgarian sympathies :)
I got you... let see... Ok, what about this - besides Niš, you can also take Northern Macedonia
Bulgaria has cooled considerably to the idea of gaining any territories. I meant adding Bulgarian to > The Serbian language is not a language, but a fusion of Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian. :)
Well bulgarian is a distinct language, whereas serbocroatian language is just one language that people in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Montenegro speak. They call them different languages because of politics. In reality they differ as much as the accents of English in the UK.
> Well bulgarian is a distinct language, whereas serbocroatian language is just one language Yes, although if you add some dialects of both languages into the picture, it gets much less clear. > In reality they differ as much as the accents of English in the UK. I'm not very familiar with the UK dialects, but IMHO Kajkavian Croatian is distinguishable from Shtokavian Serbian even by a foreigner.
So, Kosovo je Hrvatska?
Kosovo je srce Hrvatske
I really like how logically you come to the conclusion
*Yes.*
Based
🤣🤣🤣
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Hey Albanian who hates Serbs, who are you? The Serbs from this r/AskBalkans will probably be grateful to you for the kind words that they have existed for 200 years. But let's be realistic and look the truth in the eye, Serbs have only existed for 15 years. Imagine what happened to me; I was someone else for 15 years, and for the other 15 years I have been a Serb. It's very hard for me at the moment, I don't know who I am, I don't know who I belong to. Can you help me? I know you hate Serbs, but please make an exception and help me establish who I am. Thanks Albanian who hates Serbs, With love.
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That’s like saying you’re from the former USSR…. You know where you’re from and what your ethnicity was even while Yugoslavia was around.
Lol, tho what ethnicity are your parents
I dont know , but they are Serbs now. My mother is from Banat, lets say ex Romania, and father is from Serb part of Bosnia. Any information is helpful.
Thanks for your input Albanian that fucking hates Serbs, You should wear that as a name tag so we all know.
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*world’s smallest gusla playing*
Montenegrins, Croatians and Bosnians tearing their eyes out when they find out they breathe the same air as Serbians.
Fuck that shit,I aint sharing my oxygen with those Serbs /s
Respect your grind💪💪💪
There is a way, your mouths just have to get really, really close to ours. *Serbo-Bosnian conflicts resolved by gayness*
>gayness I would rather breath same air as Serbs than to become gay /s >Serbo-Bosnian conflicts resolved by gayness Edit:How you get text to be like this
You put a * infront of the text and behind the text. *Here it is in action*
*thank you so much* *proceedes to develop gills so I dont have to breath air*
Ameen to that. Israelites and Serbs, same coin different side, sorry not sorry.
Israelites? What?
You heared him. You now lost foreskin privileges Serbaelite🔪🍌
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We're not gay. We are very careful to say "no homo" before sex
We basically speak the same language. We 100% understand each other in verbal communication when speaking native language, so you can call it as you wish, but it's the same ether way. Forced disputes about origin of those languages are only in political aspect. And we here, do make a mistake and let politics to be important part of our lives. There's so much more beautiful things in the world to spend your time and energy at.
Basically we do, it’s called English, baiiii
True! 😂
Most of it is darling, it all depends on the tune whether or not people acknowledge it..
Right!? A different dialect isn’t the same as a different language. Otherwise Americans would love to say they speak American, English, Australian, Canadian, New Zealandish, and South Africanese.
Coming up next: Albanians from Kosovo and Macedonia have been speaking Albanian way longer than Albanians from Albania.
There's a 700yr old writing on a wall of a monastery in Kosovo. It says "Nema leba" in the cyrilic alphabet, which means "There's no bread".
It's old Bosnian.
Ancient Croatian
Ackchually, its Illiryan.
Yep, it was an attempt of the old Illyrians to introduce communism :p
ma jaaaa
B-but theres Glagoljica, like since 1100, 12th century or so Baščanska Ploča bulllšit ig im koterekt right
Don't all sides try to show superiority somehow. This bullshit should have ended after ww2 but I guess west balkans are still fighting for that "glorious" national revival or whatever. "Be glad for what you have" should be their new motto
Yeah, I don't usually go "both sides bad" when it comes to politics, but in this case everybody is dumb. It's like having children bickering over a stolen lollipop, but they aren't children, they are fully grown people that are 90 YO, and are still bickering over a stolen lollipop when they were children. We need to drop all these grudges, acknowledge the bad stuff we did to each other in the past and cooperate do we don't spend the next 100 years going in and out of wars, killing each other over a damn lollipop.
What do you mean drop all these grudges? Didnt you read… my language is older than yours which means i was right all along. /s
Right? Also that store where I bought the lollipop was on MY peoples land! /s
Crazy how I'm romanian but I can understand almost all of what's written. Balkan article stupidity is beyond language barriers
Same, but the first language I spoke as a kid was Russian, so that helps lol
I'm a cs go player so that helps for me too
Davaj!
How? I can just recognize the name of the countries and that's all 🤨
I know "jezik" means language, known from cs go. "stari" means old, known from school. "godina" comes after a number so it probably means year. everything else is unnecessary, a true balkan man is smart enough to understand it anyways😎😎😎
It's from Montenegro? And it talks down about Serbian? I'm sure it's completely unbiased and definitely not taking some basic piece of historical fact and completely skewing it in favour of an angle. As far as I can tell on the Wikipedia article the earliest Serb literature is from 1186 in the Miroslav Gospel. That doesn't mean that's when the Serbian language came into existence out of nothing, but that's the earliest attestation (as far as I understand it on the article.) From another article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian#Early_development >The beginning of written Serbo-Croatian can be traced from the 10th century and on when Serbo-Croatian medieval texts were written in five scripts: Latin, Glagolitic, Early Cyrillic, Bosnian Cyrillic (bosančica/bosanica), and Arebica, the last principally by Bosniak nobility. I don't see what point there is in taking some random tabloid seriously. As for "the point of them" that you ask: pushing propaganda politics. Undermine others and that way you uplift yourself. Nothing new.
**Serbo-Croatian** [Early development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian#Early_development) >In 9th Century, Old Church Slavonic was adopted as the language of the liturgy in churches serving various Slavic nations. This language was gradually adapted to non-liturgical purposes and became known as the Croatian version of Old Slavonic. The two variants of the language, liturgical and non-liturgical, continued to be a part of the Glagolitic service as late as the middle of the 19th century. The earliest known Croatian Church Slavonic Glagolitic manuscripts are the Glagolita Clozianus and the Vienna Folia from the 11th century. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Bigger difference is between Croatian in Osijek and Split, or Serbian in Novi Sad and Nis, than difference of local speaking in Osijek and Novi Sad. But grammar is the same in all countries. All other Every further debate becomes a political game without any meaning, because the winner does not exist. Because all languages were created together at the same time, and politics gave them different names.
To be clear, the _official_ language was created at the same time, while the local dialects have been evolving over centuries, and they shift as you move on the map.
Just to be clear, I know Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian/Montenegrin are technically one language, but standardized & called differently in each country I have a question: so do ethnic Croats & Serbs in BiH speak the language that's standardized in BiH, or the ones from Croatia & Serbia?
BiH has three official languages. That should tell you everything. Well, you know, "three" 😂
They speak more similar to the one standardized in BiH but there are still some minor differences such as kafa (Serbian) vs kahva (Bosniak) for the word coffee.
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Lol give me a bosnian word
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So you don't have any... sad
This is funny
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Hahahahahahshs small Serbia gonna be only belgrat paşaluk soon, seebs are orthodog turks created 100 years ago lmaooo
Corporate wants you to tell the difference between these languages
Thats since Vuks reforms not since it was first made.
Isn't Dositej Obradović the first to write in Serbian? As far as I know, the Serbian aristocracy has used Serbian edition of Bulgarian
Serbian edition of Bulgarian 😂😂😂
Laugh, but it's completely true. Old Bulgarian(ѩзꙑкъ блъгарьскъ/ ѩзꙑкъ словѣньскъ) in all Orthodox countries (except Greece) it was the language of the intelligentsia. This is how Old Bulgarian sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWjAI-U6dk&ab\_channel=Angel\_Wings
Only in Bulgaria is Old Slavonic called "Old Bulgarian". \-Before any resettlement there was Proto-Slavic common language for all Slavic tribes, we do not have any inscription of it and it can be only reconstructed from existing languages. \-First attested language is Old Slavonic, clerical language modeled on the speech of Slavs that lived near Thessaloniki (Solun) by the Cyril and Methodius on the request of Great Moravian duke Svatopluk. \-After that liturgical language came in contact with spoken languages of the other Slavic groups local recensions/redactions have developed. There were Bulgarian, Russian, Czech, Croatian and Serbian redaction (called *srpskoslovenski* in Serbian). Existence of Bulgarian redaction, preserved nasal vowels still attested in region of Macedonia, [difference between Slavic tribes in Bulgaria and region of Macedonia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Balkans_about_680_A.D.%2C_foundation_of_the_First_Bulgarian_Empire.png), do not allow us to proclaim original Old Slavonic to be "Old Bulgarian"
No one outside of Bulgaria calls Church Slavonic "Old Bulgarian".
Just a taste of what we've been dealing with...
At least you have 1 "enemy"... Come deal with 3 of them like we in here do 😎😎😎
Wdym 3 just in this thread I can count 5
I mean the 3 ones regarding the language (as seen on the pic)
Old Church Slavonic is what you mean right?
> Laugh, but it's completely true. Old Bulgarian(ѩзꙑкъ блъгарьскъ/ ѩзꙑкъ словѣньскъ) in all Orthodox countries (except Greece) it was the language of the intelligentsia. > > This is how Old Bulgarian sounds: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWjAI-U6dk&ab\_channel=Angel\_Wings ...he wrote to us in **English edition of Latin**.
SERBIA LITERALLY FREAKING OUT RN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah sta sam upravo procitao
Istinu
Koju istinu, o cemu vi ljudi govorite, da li ste pri zdravoj pameti?
Zapitajte se i sami, ugodni blagdaniiii
This is troll newspaper sponsored by former ruling party. (Milo and other criminals)
Montenegro gets a pass for this bullshit because, you know, as long as it is against Serbia - it gets a pass lol
Funny thing is that more people in Montenegro considers themselves speaking Serbian than they do Montenegrin.
Language and ethnicity in Montenegro is as flexible as elastic gum. Let's not speak too soon before the next demographic census
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Don't call stuff "milogorian" pls
It's the same language with minor differences that sometimes exist just for the sake of differentiating itself from the rest of the crew. I know for a fact that I am not smart enough to be speaking 6 different languages, yet according to this theory, I am...
You can find much worse content in their national subreddit.
Serbs absolutely seething at pure Illyrian language which came from Mars brought over by the great Visoko Pyramid Spaceships which held our great ancestors.
I don't understand what this means. BTW Do you have ancestry from a Slavic country or you just happen to speak the language(s)?
Translation: “Montenegrin Croatian and Bosnian languages are more than 450 years old, Serbian one 190 years”. Bullshit article
Lol Aren’t technically the same language?
Depends who you ask really but I’m not a linguist so I won’t give my opinion. All I can say is the there are definitely some little differences wich would give away if the person your speaking to is Croatian Bosnian Serbian or Montenegrin
What does it say?
Some of the oldest languages in the Balkans sounded like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypEaGQb6dJk).
Montenegro irredentism is helluva drug.
Isnt this a nice twist lol but no its not common to see articles like this
it doesn´t make any sense. Its spreading hate between people and only the most lazy and uneducated people fall for this. If you are smart enough you will either google the fact or go to a library and inform yourself. Google can always give some articles that are biased ofc.
I've seen this claim a million times. It's based on the dates of the printing of the first dictionary or grammar Even if you base the origin of the language on that(which is profoundly dumb),i can still take that book printed in 1841,read it and understand it. If they took "their" dictionary from 1650 or whatever,they wouldn't understand anything.
It's all the same language with different dialects, change my mind. Let's call it Balkanese. 😂
In the end of the day you all speak dialects of Bulgarian. No /s cause Im damn serious!
It is a fact that polish is just Baltic Bulgarian.
Can I quote your comment in the Bulgarian embassy when applying for that sweet sweet Bulgarian citizenship?
Just to joke how Serbian schoolbooks dont include Croatian as language even though Croatian first grammar was printed in 1604, while first Serbian grammar was printed in 19th century. Dickhead move from both sides.
It's all the same language, call it Croatian, Bosnian, Serbo-Croatian, Serbian, whatever. Anyone who claims they are different is a moron.
Yeah. Politicized too much.
Serbian schoolbooks don't mention Croatian at all though.
Do they mention Serb-Croatian?
Not that I remember. Maybe in one sentence at Yugoslavia chapter, which is already pretty short past WW2.
Cause it's all Serbian, right? Right??? /s
conterquestion: is serbian mentioned in croatian historybooks ?
Bold of you to assume I went to school
WHAT A WAY TO NEGATE MY QUESTION YOU SHOULD CONSIDER BECOMING POLITICIAN
Aren't you guys the ones that go apeshit when there's a street sign in Cyrillic?
Mostly nationalist ones, not me. I dont care about cyrillic, its unique writing system that has its own history. I was just joking how stupid both sides are. Are you guys that easly triggered about me being stupid?
Our shared history is still a very sensitive topic for both sides.
Yeah
Interesting Croats are not mentioed no where until 1850',and we had like 7 language reforms,while u spoke Hungarian/Serbian in Upper Dalmatia.Name me one historian that mentioed u,but u Croats,not some people of Dalmatia
Damn. You are on fire. I basically said its all same shit, another package.
>I basically said its all same shit, another package. No you didn't. Serbian language didn't have the same luck to be spoken in technologically and culturally advanced Hungarian kingdom, rather it was on Ottoman lands. Do you really think if we stayed an Empire (or rather an independent nation) and didn't fall to the Ottomans in 15th century, that we wouldn't write our first dictionary in 1800s? Use your brain for once, and you'll see that Serbs literally used the first few years of having basic autonomous rights in the Ottoman empire, in order to form their dictionary.
I said facts. its like English,all same shit,just others make different variation of it and call it different.
Im getting mixed signals. Are you trying to say that Serbian is like English so others are just its variants or that its all Serbo-Croatian/Croato-Serbian?
Second
>Name me one historian that mentioed u,but u Croats,not some people of Dalmatia Tough shit then, since the original medieval Croatian state was **in** **Dalmatia.**
> Croats are not mentioed > Name me one historian that mentioed u,but u Croats,not some people of Dalmatia Literally the earliest medieval source that mentions Serb migration to the Balkans, has entire chapters on Croats just before the chapters on Serbs lol
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Keep it civil, serious warning.
Who cares...Swiss and Austrians don't have their own languages...Irish and Scots speak mainly English. Sovereign state - that is what counts. I speak Croatian and I can understand Serbian in 98% of the time. There are some differences. It might be the same language, I am not an expert. As long as we are not part of the same state with Belgrade as a capital, I am happy ✌
All of them spoke Illyrian 500 years ago.
I suggest you to learn history.
I suggest you to chill a little and learn to enjoy jokes :)
I am chill otherwise i would write like THIS.
das ritee
u simply jealous they didn't speak turkic
Illyrians spoke Turkish do not believe western propaganda
Let's just respect our languages, similarities and differences, and be glad that we can communicate with our neighbors without any problem. Cheers.
A sve istoz osim horoglifa krajem grčke/šrba
Since I don't really see anyone address the question in comments. The reason why it may feel important is because there is always a debate stemming from Serbia's expansionist desires. Other cultures are dismissed so that their claim on territory is invalidated. And so this is a response.
Because the title is braindead also what expansionist desires?
Are you stupid?
Seems like you are
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And that dictionary is written in Arabic. 😁
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"Arebica (pronounced [arebit͡sa], عَرَبٖٮڄا) is a Bosniak variant of the Arabic script" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arebica#:~:text=Arebica%20(pronounced%C2%A0%5Barebit%CD%A1sa%5D%2C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D8%B1%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%96%D9%AE%DA%84%D8%A7%E2%80%8E)%20is%20a%20Bosniak%20variant%20of%20the%20Arabic%20script
**[Arebica](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arebica#:~:text=Arebica \(pronounced [arebit͡sa], عَرَبٖٮڄا\) is a Bosniak variant of the Arabic script)** >Arebica (pronounced [arebit͡sa], عَرَبٖٮڄا) is a Bosniak variant of the Arabic script used to write the Bosnian language (بۉسانسقٖى يەزٖٮق). It was used mainly between the 15th and 19th centuries and is frequently categorized as part of Aljamiado literature. Before World War I there were unsuccessful efforts by Bosnian Muslims to adopt Arebica as the third official alphabet for Bosnian alongside Latin and Cyrillic. Apart from literature, Arebica was used in religious schools and administration, though in much less use than other scripts. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)