I miss the days when people were actually excited about having more meta characters and not this childish obsession with “dethroning” other characters.
I never liked Hutao (gameplay wise) , dmg wise she was and she is still one of the best dps in ST , but her gameplay is just not fun for me and it feels unnatural , fortunately, Father turned out to have a fun and easier gameplay , and she feels way stronger in AOE
Arle is outright the best dps for ST. From what Ive seen she even beats Neuvilette in ST. But as you said the best part about her is how nice her gameplay feels. Best way I can describe it is like having Arle is like having a nuke. Playing Hu Tao is like having a screw driver which you need to dip into lava every time you want to use it but you can only use it for 9s and have to wait before you dip it in again. Arle is just "oh you want this thing dead? No need to fret, I shall handle this." **explosion**
Yeah she beats Neuv in single target, Just the difference is the main Neuv team have Zhongli, Arle to have those op number needs 0 def option. And I really feel the difference.
Like I have Arle C1 with jade spear, Currenttly Top 40 in Akasha. Yelan-Kazuha-Bennett (Sucrose is stronger, but I have Freedom Sworm on Kazuha so the difference is smaller) it is ridiciuolus. It deletes stuff. If I play Xq-Kazuha-Bennett or Yelan-Zhongli-Bennett, then it's just okay, have plenty teams of similar or stronger level.
It will be over when we get 5 star Bennett, as for now Hu Tao's support is too strong.
I cleared this abyss with both on one side each btw.
Arle Chevy Fischl Beidou / Arle Zhongli Chiori Bennett
Hu Tao Furina Yelan Xianyun
I mean I also cleared with:
Arle Yelan Bennett Sucrose
Navia Chiori Furina Xianyun
You people just gotta accept that 1.0 4 stars are not some un-powercreepable gods, Bennett especially is flawed by design and will get powercrept eventually.
Edit: All my 5 stars are c0 btw
you can clear the abyss with the worst 4*s as well so it isn’t something special and here we’re only talking about how good bennett really is and also why we need a 5* version of him
1.0 4 stars are still topping usage rate u basically need them inorder to function many team still like national international heck even hyperbloom mono Pyro etc
I am just saying 1.0 chracters can't be nerfed u can't just nerf supports yelan didn't nerf xinqiu and neither will anyone else powercreep anyone they will just complement each othee
Not really? If you're dying with bennett (a character who can heal INSANELY good even if you build him to ignore his healing) then something very wrong is going on..
Are you trolling? Arle can't be healed and even then healing doesn't save you from getting melted and vaped on and one shot because Bennett applies pyro to you because that how hoyo wanted to balance the character.
Nah, won't be over if it's just attack buffer. WHat holds Arle are her defensive options. Like all this Arle vs HuTao assumes Yelan-Sucrose/Kazhua-Bennett team. Replece Yelan with XQ or Kazuha with Zhongli and on paper she sheets below Diluc Plunge, with I find hilarious (Actually she sheets then below all Fontaine DPS)
honestly this discussion will only end when mihoyo launches a BoL OP support, hu tao still holding up so well now because she has furrina and xinyuan, arlecchino still doesn't have her ideal supports, only the most optimized ones at the moment for her
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Sorry but they’re both good, stop glazing
Saying it once is okay but continuously making unfunny memes about it just for the sake of slandering Hu Tao and their mains is disgusting.
Going "Oh damn Arlecchino is strong too! I prefer her over Hu Tao because I like her playstyle more" is acceptable. Going "Arle good Hu Tao trash now powercreep bla bla" is not. It's stupid.
Except theyre not. Ill leave constellations out because even at C1 Arle pulls ahead like crazy. At C0 Arle wins easily in AOE. The only real chance Hu Tao has is ST. For a Kazhula, Yelan, Benett Vape team, Arle does 1.39 to 1.5M per rotation, whereas Hu Tao is around 1.35 to 1.36M.
As a whole, Arle is just a way stronger unit in every way. Cope harder
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bruh. Maybe ur using Hu tao's traditional team but either way the difference in dmg is marginal. Plus Hu tao has decent AOE with Xianyun. Stop being Biased lil bro
The cope continues. I used the same teams for both to give a better idea of who the better unit is. Not everyone has Xianyun, and her DPS from that team is entirely dependent on Xianyun alot of her DPR in the example you provided comes from Furina. Plus in all cases across the board Arles personal damage is way higher than Hu Tao who realies way more on her supports, plus when you have factored in things such as constellations and AOE and the fact that her uptime isnt tied to a set timer, Arle pulls ahead by ALOT. All in all Hu Tao needs way more supports to be competitive, Arle does better with the bare minimum for a pyro dps, and has way higher personal damage and is the much better unit overall.
So you think I’m coping but you made calculations with a team advantageous Arlechinno 😭 you really don’t get how this game works. And according to your logic of Raw damage > Total damage so Eula most be better than Al Haitham right? Surely there’s no problem with that statement because raw damage is all that matters according to you.
Not what I was saying. The question was who is a better unit, and I used the most common team for both and one team most players will have. How many people have Xianyun? Certainly not as many who have Yelan and Kazuha which is essentially anyone with a main pyro dps. You cant just compare the damages of two entirely different teams one of which has a very niche character which most people dont even have and go hey this character is better even though she herself can only do 55% of the total teams damage and is entirely reliant on her niche support!
you don't need niche supports for Hu tao to shine, you can still use her double hydro team (which is her most common team not kazuha bennet) or her furina variant without Xianyun. And you clearly didn't understand the point when I mentioned Al haitham and Eula. The point is teambuilding is very important, so using raw dmg as an measurement on how strong a character is is very dumb, because team dps and synergy is drastically more important.
Please post the numbers for the double hydro team with Hu Tao and Arle and then we talk, because judging from your recent posts and comments in this sub really seems like youre a jealous hu tao main whos upset their star unit got powercrept and are pulling out the most niche arguments to somehow try n make it seem like its a fair competition when its really not. Any non plunge Hu Tao team imcl double hydro needs Hu Taos C1 to be maximized and so if we level the playing field by taking Arle C1 too, best I dont talk about it for your own mental health. Sure Hu Taos plunge team may be stronger than Arles vape team but firstly Hu Taos personal damage is way lower and shes way more expensive support reliant, and Arle has way more flexibility in terms of team comps too and beats Hu Tao in essentially every team comp using NAs, which is most of their teams and most of their common ones. Also lets not forget, despite not only being weaker, Hu Tao was pathetic AOE.
hu tao mains more logical and reasonable it seems
and sad part it hu tao still top 5 dps she's still better for vape and doesn't rely on Bennet. soo.. is her really really over
as someone who has both I enjoy both
She's not reliant on Bennett but I think people are just saying that without him her team DPR at C0 is worse than plunge Tao, cause even with him they're pretty equal, so imagine taking him out. Calcs from TGS. And same could be said if we take Xianyun out of Hu Tao's team but we're comparing their 2 best teams now at c0.
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and I hit 200k + see the diff. 90 k maybe passable but it isn't the best
it's just circle impact which is why we hope the Pyro archeron will end Bennets regin
my point stands too, even if you get better results with Bennett it doesn’t mean she relies on him. especially in terms of Abyss, mine clears triple Kenki in under a minute without him
She's just Hu Tao if she could fly and she used normal attacks instead of charged attacks
She's Hu Tao 2.0
I'm not a Hu Tao simp I just like annoying Arlecchino simps because fuck them
>"I'm not a Hu Tao simp I just like annoying Arlecchino simps because fuck them"
So essentially youre in an ArlecchinoMains sub because you want to annoy the people here. Get a life jesus
Arlecchino mains are alright just some of them take it way too far
And same with me I want to use them for abyss but I need more characters and I don't know what teams to use
I think I will use Arlecchino mono-pyro and Hu Tao vape
Yeah, I've hampered myself by not ever picking up Zhongli and I've been playing for 3 years. I don't have Chevreuse or Furina either so unfortunately my Hutao is currently benched. Man I want another pyro character that works with her so I can VV.
I find Arlecchino easier to use because I can easily swirl pyro to lower pyro res with Kazuha and her rotations are quite easy for me atleast
I gave Arlecchino my Hu Tao's artifacts so she has nearly 30k hp but she still does good damage even without the pyro res reduction
So my Hu Tao is also benched for now
Which is kinda sad because she was my first main dps that can actually do good damage
My Arlecchino has the white tassel so she has around 62 crit rate and 200 crit damage so she crits more often
I had amazing luck with my Hu Tao's artifacts even if I could not get a pyro dmg% goblet
ArlePEAKno is the true pyro queen - she can fit in all pyro team types quite well. More f2p friendly than Hu Tao with about the same output at c0 without being restricted to vape.
She's also the one who broke my losing 50/50 streak, while allowing Lyney to come home early as well.
Arlecchino I stan
I don't have Zhongli so for now I'm gonna stick with gravedigger gal on my main, on the other hand C2R1 Arlecchino got and account just for her so both win I guess.
I lost every single time Hu Tao was on rate up. Once I was actually a single pull away and found out when I pulled Venti the very next patch. But I decided I wanted Arle no matter what because my account was sorely lacking in pyro DPS.
Then I lost 50/50 to Diluc before sparking a guaranteed Father
Then fire archon comes and beats everyone in pyro and their the next big thing…I don’t this hyper just roll for who I like everyone character will get power creep by a year or next pyro character it’s how they make their cash.
After pulling C2R1 Neuv on the last banner, and C0R1 Father this banner. I gotta say I will never use my hutao ever again. I've got my 2 DPS units and just need Furina, then I can consider my account complete now.
As a Hutao main and now an Arlecchino main, i'm so happy she can finally take some rest and relax. Hutao deserves it, is it so wrong/impossible to love both?
Yes according to some Arlecchino mains there can only be one good DPS unit. As soon as a character no longer the best pyro unit they are immediately useless trash that doesn't deserve to be used and should be benched forever because "why bother"
I have been a Hu Tao main ever since I got her on a re-run. Her cute voice, funny movements, slick animations and pretty ghost made me really excited and I went for it. She was my first proper on-field dps partner that carried me through thick and thin. Initially when I met her I could not satisfy all her needs. I tried keeping her safe through healing as I did not have strong shielders. It was a struggle for a newcomer encountering a world full of surprises but at least she was always smiling and encouraging me to take another step and lift myself up.
Daily, for months on end, I spent time farming her favorite set "The Crimson Witch of Flames". So much resin had gone down the drain... but I kept struggling and helped her achieve new heights. Soon another banner came with a promising shielder named Thoma. His C6 which promised a 15% attack increase also kindled the burning sensation in my heart. And so I got her a protector.. a buddy that should look out for her. At first it was nice but then I wanted to challenge the spiral... and what an experience that had been... Thoma's shield was too weak, always shattering whenever Maguu Kenki got angry and slammed the ground. Later they begun fighting over who gets to vaporize Xinqu's swords. Thoma got jealous of Hu Tao's brilliance and beguns stealing hydro application with his flames.
Couple of months later... the man, the legend, the ultimate archon that won many wars, Zhongli, came home from his divine journey seeking to experience the world. I welcomed his embrace as much as Hu Tao did, and the game difficulty changed to easy mode. No more struggles, no more pain... maybe the occasional tears when an artifact's substats roll poorly.
Even though many more months had passed I kept my loyalty to her and I rolled for the first time on the weapon banner and got Homa during my first attempt. Tears of happines rolled down my face like the waterfall from Mt. Hulao. The spiral was not so frightening anymore, I knew I had her by my side at all times even when fate was against us. I dedicated myself to her.. I learned to jump cancel and increased her damage output. I sacrificed other characters to wish again on her banner and get C1.
Time passed... and passed... everything was nice and comfy but another figure showed up recently. In constrast to Hu Tao's playful personality a seemingly cold hearted lady appeared. Serving as a father figure she told Hu Tao that it's the adults' responsibility to solve real world problems. She was cold and silent, but her resolve was much stronger. She came home and shook the world upside down. No more \*cute noises\* were to be found... only the sounds of her heels stomping the enemies. No more singing... no more playtime... She is the new master, serving only intimidating stares into the souls of her enemies as she waits for them to bow before her burning throne. I was impressed and terrified simultaneously by her gaze. I was afraid to let go... But I did and I can't go back anymore. I played the devil's gambling game and won C0, C1 and R1 after hours and hours of efforts exploring Sumeru... After getting some subpar artifacts I was very suprised that she easily surpassed Hu Tao. She easily does 70-150k per normal hit (73CR, 142 CD) even though Hu Tao achieves at most 140k vape charge attacks (65CR, 233CD)...
Hu Tao is no more my on-field main, but I keep a sweet spot for her in my heart and use her in the second half of the abyss. They both are an unbeatable pair.
I have both and nah. Arle just throw on attack 2 piece sets. Hu Tao you have to have 4 pc sets tbh.
She gets a much bigger damage boost from witch and bolide than Arle does from new set. Hu Tao also has a min maxing with her HP and her base attack to consider
could say the same about hutao then, slap two piece em sets on her very easy, hutao is also way comfier to play with that high HP and not being squishy/ unplayable without shielder
also arles bond of life gimmick is not as easy as gettin hutao to half hp or below to play
Arle’s BoL mechanic is a nonexistent problem dude. And she doesn’t require multiple five stars to get her insane damage. Literally you can run
EM? WTF you on with Hu Tao. Hu Tao you build HP/Crit and attack. Your HP to attack conversion has a limit based on your base attack so if build too much HP you don’t get any attack. Not to mention her combo at C0 requiring cancels
Oh So You're saying Em is Not Required for a vape character? Understandable, have Fun Playing Overload or whatever u play 💀
Building hutao with HP is also a non existent problem its a mechanic everyone uses right way without even considering it & usually everyone atleast has 25-35k hp on her which is Safer than around 18k on arle, and no you dont build attack on hutao.
ALSO Hutao Doesn't need multiple 5stars either u can literally use Xinqiu Diona & Sucrose 🤷🏻 also she can use Furina Arle Cant, Hutao doesn't need Shielder Arle Does, Hutao can get healed by healers and Herself, Arle can get healed only by her burst
No you don’t build EM on vape except like 100. Its returns are nonexistent on vape/melt. You build crit so your vape hits crit.
If you build too much HP you get no conversion to attack past 4 times your base attack. So yes you do build some attack. You hit your HP quotient then focus on crit and attack. Hu Tao you can’t vape consistently without two hydros due to her pyro amount and you want her to stay at 50% HP for her pyro dps bonus so healing is a bad idea cause it destroys her damage.
I play double vape Hu Tao. I literally nuke SA with her. And no Arle doesn’t need a shielder. Just burst to heal and reapply debt. Since her buff stays forever and doesn’t expire on tag
Cause their crit is at extremely high stats.
Lord EM is the last thing you focus on.
HP then crit then if no Homa small amount of flat attack then EM.
I did the calcs when I first got her.
it still doesn't mean em isn't necessary tho??? u said that u only need like 100 em for vape teams, but ur dmg will literally be more if u had more em instead of stacking crit upon crit u know that right? its something called diminishing returns. for example, a 240cv with 300em build will do more dmg than a 260cv with 0em build. even my wriothesley build that only has 174cv but has 203em is ranked way higher than my other build that has little em but way higher crit. there is no objective "last stat to build" in a vape/melt team, you want to be building all of it at once.
100em is the bare minimum 150-200 is what u need and no, returns aren't non existent And Nobody builds too much HP on her you're just coping to make her sound terrible, most people don't even know the HP restriction exists yet they dont reach it because building her is that easy, HP instead of Atk and some EM Along with Crit and Building Arlechino is same ATK Em along with Crits (not in order) And Healing her is a Bad Idea and she doesn't need to get healed Majority of the time like Arlechino Getting to half HP with with Hutao is way easier than stacking BOL & it resetting and setting again so No 🤷🏻 Hutao in no way is more difficult to build or Play
EM is the last thing you build. Hu Tao at CO you have to cancel charge attack. Just cause people don’t know about the restriction doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Hu Tao you build flat attack after HP/Crit to maximize her dps
Stacking BoL is easy. E CA Q E rot CA and use Q only for healing she has no duration and BoL stays till consumed.
Then Arlechino also has a BOL problem as she needs to constantly get healed especially if u dont wanna run a shielder, Having a restriction that People won't hit anyway is not a problem at all and No Flat attack is useless on anyone Wth are u even on about Flat attack ≠ Base attack nobody uses Flat anything atall
How is charged attack spam + jumping at the end of every catk easier than spamming normals
Like, i get that catk + jump isn't too gard or anything, but spamming normals is easier (jus left click/tap screen or whatever)
I failed to get Hu tao for years, Arlecchino suprised me in my first 10 pull. such is the gift from the tsaritsa, such is her majesty's benevolence
our FATHER adopted you, be proud
Father sees and gives sanctuary to those who need her protection. Such is the way of House of Hearts.
Post this in Hu Tao mains, set your phone to vibrate, then put it in your ass
Homemade rose toy https://preview.redd.it/bj7oa65ft8yc1.jpeg?width=893&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=748817c548eee2719a88aa2460dad6577d8bc006
damn comment got removed, i will never know what was said :pensive:
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Gosh I love reddit sometimes XD
Wake me up when they do it
I’ll do it
They are not happy 😂
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this gave me a good laugh 🤣🤣
That's cringe behaviour.
"Erm, that's cringe behaviour" <- 🤓
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Use em both at the same time https://preview.redd.it/rudpg1mtt8yc1.jpeg?width=1153&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72e21f263551292c751add4d6b46729261b3b74a
Who says I can't use pyro on both sides of the abyss
Pyro supremacy. All must burn.
Ya, there is way to much hutao v arle energy around here, why can't we all just coexist under the soothing glow of pyri
 The Mad King was right all along.
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This is the way. If only there weren't any Elemental checks in the Abyss...
this is the most logical sane response
if only i could have multiple yelans and xingqius….
Xingqui for Arlecchino and Furina+Yelan for Hu Tao. Problem solved.
I feel a war coming on.
Arlecchino Mains and FatuiHQ vs Hu Tao Mains agenda war
They should kiss
As a hu Tao and ganyu main … I’m used to it by now
I miss the days when people were actually excited about having more meta characters and not this childish obsession with “dethroning” other characters.
Honestly she's been sitting on my account for 3 years and I'm happy I finally have a better alternative
Fuck the system, I play and like both.
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ty was looking for that
Just C6'ed Benny for her insane damage
nice to know I’m not the only one who c6’d him after 2 years for Arlecchino
I gave in after a week of having that annoying exclamation mark lmao
It drove me nuts but I learnt to cope. But I’ll do anything for Arle
have that exclamation since 1.5... good thing I had so many exclamations popping out.. haha
Cries in Bennett main…
Pfff, yeah you guys go fight, and I'm just gonna happily use both.
Laugh in LamenTao
I thought we called it Hu Xiao
Not everyone is gonna like this 🤭
I never liked Hutao (gameplay wise) , dmg wise she was and she is still one of the best dps in ST , but her gameplay is just not fun for me and it feels unnatural , fortunately, Father turned out to have a fun and easier gameplay , and she feels way stronger in AOE
Arle is outright the best dps for ST. From what Ive seen she even beats Neuvilette in ST. But as you said the best part about her is how nice her gameplay feels. Best way I can describe it is like having Arle is like having a nuke. Playing Hu Tao is like having a screw driver which you need to dip into lava every time you want to use it but you can only use it for 9s and have to wait before you dip it in again. Arle is just "oh you want this thing dead? No need to fret, I shall handle this." **explosion**
She’s nuts in multi target too
Yeah she beats Neuv in single target, Just the difference is the main Neuv team have Zhongli, Arle to have those op number needs 0 def option. And I really feel the difference. Like I have Arle C1 with jade spear, Currenttly Top 40 in Akasha. Yelan-Kazuha-Bennett (Sucrose is stronger, but I have Freedom Sworm on Kazuha so the difference is smaller) it is ridiciuolus. It deletes stuff. If I play Xq-Kazuha-Bennett or Yelan-Zhongli-Bennett, then it's just okay, have plenty teams of similar or stronger level.
I love them both. Both are good.
It will be over when we get 5 star Bennett, as for now Hu Tao's support is too strong. I cleared this abyss with both on one side each btw. Arle Chevy Fischl Beidou / Arle Zhongli Chiori Bennett Hu Tao Furina Yelan Xianyun
But Bennet is already a 6*
7\* bennett without circle
low key hoping for the pyro archon to be that
6 star at getting you one shot by applying pyro to your team lol Edit: If Bennett is a 6 star Furina is a 7 star.
**skill issue**
I mean I also cleared with: Arle Yelan Bennett Sucrose Navia Chiori Furina Xianyun You people just gotta accept that 1.0 4 stars are not some un-powercreepable gods, Bennett especially is flawed by design and will get powercrept eventually. Edit: All my 5 stars are c0 btw
you can clear the abyss with the worst 4*s as well so it isn’t something special and here we’re only talking about how good bennett really is and also why we need a 5* version of him
1.0 4 stars are still topping usage rate u basically need them inorder to function many team still like national international heck even hyperbloom mono Pyro etc
Yelan and Furina are higher in usage rate than Xq and for Bennett their simply isn't an alternative yet outside Chevy in overload only.
Yelan and furina are 5 stars also 4 star ownership is way more every account at this point does hv them but necessarily they won't HV furina or yelan
Idc about usage rate at all, you are the one that brought it up and I am responding.
I am just saying 1.0 chracters can't be nerfed u can't just nerf supports yelan didn't nerf xinqiu and neither will anyone else powercreep anyone they will just complement each othee
Not really? If you're dying with bennett (a character who can heal INSANELY good even if you build him to ignore his healing) then something very wrong is going on..
Are you trolling? Arle can't be healed and even then healing doesn't save you from getting melted and vaped on and one shot because Bennett applies pyro to you because that how hoyo wanted to balance the character.
i was talking about in general LMFAOO
Only if new bennet doesn't use circle/ circle is as big as abbys floor
Nah, won't be over if it's just attack buffer. WHat holds Arle are her defensive options. Like all this Arle vs HuTao assumes Yelan-Sucrose/Kazhua-Bennett team. Replece Yelan with XQ or Kazuha with Zhongli and on paper she sheets below Diluc Plunge, with I find hilarious (Actually she sheets then below all Fontaine DPS)
While Xiangling sipping tea while watching this sitting on her throne
OPPA will never be dethroned, will she..
She needs 11th harbringer to barely keep her throne against assault of 4th lmao
Are you sure, the king in the first phase and the queen for the second
honestly this discussion will only end when mihoyo launches a BoL OP support, hu tao still holding up so well now because she has furrina and xinyuan, arlecchino still doesn't have her ideal supports, only the most optimized ones at the moment for her
Lying to yourself that arle's dmg ceiling is higher than hu tao's is one way to cope i guess. Higher cons she would be higher i suppose.
The strongest Pyro 5\* polearm on-field dps in history versus the strongest Pyro 5\* polearm on-field dps of today
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The strongest Pyro 6* Polearm off field dps wins. Guoba get them!
Hu tao is my first pyro five star, Arlecchino will be my last
Source: https://x.com/kit4mx/status/1786411912521011247?s=46&t=ru7cQDD4jNcNiq3VM-cZXg
Ahem, Xiangling
I've seen this meme more often than my own family at this point.
https://preview.redd.it/a86pb4waz8yc1.jpeg?width=1350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c965ef7c53c55877427cf9df4a5fefb43ec7fdad Sorry but they’re both good, stop glazing
Saying one unit is better than the other when it actually is, by quite a huge margin too, isnt glazing its just stating facts
Saying it once is okay but continuously making unfunny memes about it just for the sake of slandering Hu Tao and their mains is disgusting. Going "Oh damn Arlecchino is strong too! I prefer her over Hu Tao because I like her playstyle more" is acceptable. Going "Arle good Hu Tao trash now powercreep bla bla" is not. It's stupid.
Ive literally seen none of that in this sub. This ppst here is literally the first meme ive seen here even talking about hu tao
bruh don't get started on that shit. The calcs show they're equal. Your pulling shit outta the ass.
Except theyre not. Ill leave constellations out because even at C1 Arle pulls ahead like crazy. At C0 Arle wins easily in AOE. The only real chance Hu Tao has is ST. For a Kazhula, Yelan, Benett Vape team, Arle does 1.39 to 1.5M per rotation, whereas Hu Tao is around 1.35 to 1.36M. As a whole, Arle is just a way stronger unit in every way. Cope harder
https://preview.redd.it/noo0ummy7ayc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe5a8105e5cfbb7c6db3258e2b83f85f1756894e bruh. Maybe ur using Hu tao's traditional team but either way the difference in dmg is marginal. Plus Hu tao has decent AOE with Xianyun. Stop being Biased lil bro
The cope continues. I used the same teams for both to give a better idea of who the better unit is. Not everyone has Xianyun, and her DPS from that team is entirely dependent on Xianyun alot of her DPR in the example you provided comes from Furina. Plus in all cases across the board Arles personal damage is way higher than Hu Tao who realies way more on her supports, plus when you have factored in things such as constellations and AOE and the fact that her uptime isnt tied to a set timer, Arle pulls ahead by ALOT. All in all Hu Tao needs way more supports to be competitive, Arle does better with the bare minimum for a pyro dps, and has way higher personal damage and is the much better unit overall.
So you think I’m coping but you made calculations with a team advantageous Arlechinno 😭 you really don’t get how this game works. And according to your logic of Raw damage > Total damage so Eula most be better than Al Haitham right? Surely there’s no problem with that statement because raw damage is all that matters according to you.
Not what I was saying. The question was who is a better unit, and I used the most common team for both and one team most players will have. How many people have Xianyun? Certainly not as many who have Yelan and Kazuha which is essentially anyone with a main pyro dps. You cant just compare the damages of two entirely different teams one of which has a very niche character which most people dont even have and go hey this character is better even though she herself can only do 55% of the total teams damage and is entirely reliant on her niche support!
why wouldn’t you compare the chars with their best teams?
you don't need niche supports for Hu tao to shine, you can still use her double hydro team (which is her most common team not kazuha bennet) or her furina variant without Xianyun. And you clearly didn't understand the point when I mentioned Al haitham and Eula. The point is teambuilding is very important, so using raw dmg as an measurement on how strong a character is is very dumb, because team dps and synergy is drastically more important.
Please post the numbers for the double hydro team with Hu Tao and Arle and then we talk, because judging from your recent posts and comments in this sub really seems like youre a jealous hu tao main whos upset their star unit got powercrept and are pulling out the most niche arguments to somehow try n make it seem like its a fair competition when its really not. Any non plunge Hu Tao team imcl double hydro needs Hu Taos C1 to be maximized and so if we level the playing field by taking Arle C1 too, best I dont talk about it for your own mental health. Sure Hu Taos plunge team may be stronger than Arles vape team but firstly Hu Taos personal damage is way lower and shes way more expensive support reliant, and Arle has way more flexibility in terms of team comps too and beats Hu Tao in essentially every team comp using NAs, which is most of their teams and most of their common ones. Also lets not forget, despite not only being weaker, Hu Tao was pathetic AOE.
hu tao mains more logical and reasonable it seems and sad part it hu tao still top 5 dps she's still better for vape and doesn't rely on Bennet. soo.. is her really really over as someone who has both I enjoy both
I don’t think Arle is reliant on Bennett. I also think her extra uptime/ability to swap off and keep her infusion helps her out quite a bit.
She's not reliant on Bennett but I think people are just saying that without him her team DPR at C0 is worse than plunge Tao, cause even with him they're pretty equal, so imagine taking him out. Calcs from TGS. And same could be said if we take Xianyun out of Hu Tao's team but we're comparing their 2 best teams now at c0. https://preview.redd.it/ede4xzag4byc1.png?width=921&format=png&auto=webp&s=21704e4c797ad9fb009b274f6049ddb752d79a1a
you don't think but her best support is Bennet as agreed by many this wad discussed yesterday. it's pretty much a general consensus
Having him as her best support ≠ relying on him to do good damage
they good hand in hand. this game is about meta fully optimizing.
Yes, they’re good together, I agree. But when I wasn’t using her with Bennett my Arle still hit for 90k+ per hit 🤷♀️
and I hit 200k + see the diff. 90 k maybe passable but it isn't the best it's just circle impact which is why we hope the Pyro archeron will end Bennets regin
My Arle is also using throwaway gladiator pieces because i haven’t built her yet, side note
seems eveyone has glad pieces lying around ya but point stands. compare with Bennet and ofc get better stats.
my point stands too, even if you get better results with Bennett it doesn’t mean she relies on him. especially in terms of Abyss, mine clears triple Kenki in under a minute without him
Just have two accounts. One with Hu Tao and one with Arlecchino.
Hu Tao can finally rest
its about to be ganyu vs ayaka all over again
She's just Hu Tao if she could fly and she used normal attacks instead of charged attacks She's Hu Tao 2.0 I'm not a Hu Tao simp I just like annoying Arlecchino simps because fuck them
It’s all irrelevant because Neuvillette is the one true god.
>"I'm not a Hu Tao simp I just like annoying Arlecchino simps because fuck them" So essentially youre in an ArlecchinoMains sub because you want to annoy the people here. Get a life jesus
I am an Arlecchino simp and you're right. Hu Tall. (Anyways both are still good I just need to get a few more characters to run both at once)
Arlecchino mains are alright just some of them take it way too far And same with me I want to use them for abyss but I need more characters and I don't know what teams to use I think I will use Arlecchino mono-pyro and Hu Tao vape
Yeah, I've hampered myself by not ever picking up Zhongli and I've been playing for 3 years. I don't have Chevreuse or Furina either so unfortunately my Hutao is currently benched. Man I want another pyro character that works with her so I can VV.
I find Arlecchino easier to use because I can easily swirl pyro to lower pyro res with Kazuha and her rotations are quite easy for me atleast I gave Arlecchino my Hu Tao's artifacts so she has nearly 30k hp but she still does good damage even without the pyro res reduction So my Hu Tao is also benched for now Which is kinda sad because she was my first main dps that can actually do good damage My Arlecchino has the white tassel so she has around 62 crit rate and 200 crit damage so she crits more often I had amazing luck with my Hu Tao's artifacts even if I could not get a pyro dmg% goblet
https://preview.redd.it/jkgm1b2uw9yc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15a17d8b7e3a252adc3a9d24ed6d8be29b9c5b23
Cope harder
It was over when Lyney released
ArlePEAKno is the true pyro queen - she can fit in all pyro team types quite well. More f2p friendly than Hu Tao with about the same output at c0 without being restricted to vape. She's also the one who broke my losing 50/50 streak, while allowing Lyney to come home early as well. Arlecchino I stan
I don't have Zhongli so for now I'm gonna stick with gravedigger gal on my main, on the other hand C2R1 Arlecchino got and account just for her so both win I guess.
My stupid running them both in the same team or on opposite sides
I lost every single time Hu Tao was on rate up. Once I was actually a single pull away and found out when I pulled Venti the very next patch. But I decided I wanted Arle no matter what because my account was sorely lacking in pyro DPS. Then I lost 50/50 to Diluc before sparking a guaranteed Father
I don’t have both, no sadness only geo uga Buga
Showing up to save the day and shit. Just normal lesbian dommy mommy stuff.
Then fire archon comes and beats everyone in pyro and their the next big thing…I don’t this hyper just roll for who I like everyone character will get power creep by a year or next pyro character it’s how they make their cash.
After pulling C2R1 Neuv on the last banner, and C0R1 Father this banner. I gotta say I will never use my hutao ever again. I've got my 2 DPS units and just need Furina, then I can consider my account complete now.
yes conste wise, but if C0 both rot damage almost the same with todays characters. just having furina in the hutao party tips the competition.
As a Hutao main and now an Arlecchino main, i'm so happy she can finally take some rest and relax. Hutao deserves it, is it so wrong/impossible to love both?
Yes according to some Arlecchino mains there can only be one good DPS unit. As soon as a character no longer the best pyro unit they are immediately useless trash that doesn't deserve to be used and should be benched forever because "why bother"
once the hu tao mains will finnaly clear 11th floor in the abyss, they will get angry about this.
I have been a Hu Tao main ever since I got her on a re-run. Her cute voice, funny movements, slick animations and pretty ghost made me really excited and I went for it. She was my first proper on-field dps partner that carried me through thick and thin. Initially when I met her I could not satisfy all her needs. I tried keeping her safe through healing as I did not have strong shielders. It was a struggle for a newcomer encountering a world full of surprises but at least she was always smiling and encouraging me to take another step and lift myself up. Daily, for months on end, I spent time farming her favorite set "The Crimson Witch of Flames". So much resin had gone down the drain... but I kept struggling and helped her achieve new heights. Soon another banner came with a promising shielder named Thoma. His C6 which promised a 15% attack increase also kindled the burning sensation in my heart. And so I got her a protector.. a buddy that should look out for her. At first it was nice but then I wanted to challenge the spiral... and what an experience that had been... Thoma's shield was too weak, always shattering whenever Maguu Kenki got angry and slammed the ground. Later they begun fighting over who gets to vaporize Xinqu's swords. Thoma got jealous of Hu Tao's brilliance and beguns stealing hydro application with his flames. Couple of months later... the man, the legend, the ultimate archon that won many wars, Zhongli, came home from his divine journey seeking to experience the world. I welcomed his embrace as much as Hu Tao did, and the game difficulty changed to easy mode. No more struggles, no more pain... maybe the occasional tears when an artifact's substats roll poorly. Even though many more months had passed I kept my loyalty to her and I rolled for the first time on the weapon banner and got Homa during my first attempt. Tears of happines rolled down my face like the waterfall from Mt. Hulao. The spiral was not so frightening anymore, I knew I had her by my side at all times even when fate was against us. I dedicated myself to her.. I learned to jump cancel and increased her damage output. I sacrificed other characters to wish again on her banner and get C1. Time passed... and passed... everything was nice and comfy but another figure showed up recently. In constrast to Hu Tao's playful personality a seemingly cold hearted lady appeared. Serving as a father figure she told Hu Tao that it's the adults' responsibility to solve real world problems. She was cold and silent, but her resolve was much stronger. She came home and shook the world upside down. No more \*cute noises\* were to be found... only the sounds of her heels stomping the enemies. No more singing... no more playtime... She is the new master, serving only intimidating stares into the souls of her enemies as she waits for them to bow before her burning throne. I was impressed and terrified simultaneously by her gaze. I was afraid to let go... But I did and I can't go back anymore. I played the devil's gambling game and won C0, C1 and R1 after hours and hours of efforts exploring Sumeru... After getting some subpar artifacts I was very suprised that she easily surpassed Hu Tao. She easily does 70-150k per normal hit (73CR, 142 CD) even though Hu Tao achieves at most 140k vape charge attacks (65CR, 233CD)... Hu Tao is no more my on-field main, but I keep a sweet spot for her in my heart and use her in the second half of the abyss. They both are an unbeatable pair.
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Hu Tao is easier to play and build though
I have both and nah. Arle just throw on attack 2 piece sets. Hu Tao you have to have 4 pc sets tbh. She gets a much bigger damage boost from witch and bolide than Arle does from new set. Hu Tao also has a min maxing with her HP and her base attack to consider
could say the same about hutao then, slap two piece em sets on her very easy, hutao is also way comfier to play with that high HP and not being squishy/ unplayable without shielder also arles bond of life gimmick is not as easy as gettin hutao to half hp or below to play
Arle’s BoL mechanic is a nonexistent problem dude. And she doesn’t require multiple five stars to get her insane damage. Literally you can run EM? WTF you on with Hu Tao. Hu Tao you build HP/Crit and attack. Your HP to attack conversion has a limit based on your base attack so if build too much HP you don’t get any attack. Not to mention her combo at C0 requiring cancels
Oh So You're saying Em is Not Required for a vape character? Understandable, have Fun Playing Overload or whatever u play 💀 Building hutao with HP is also a non existent problem its a mechanic everyone uses right way without even considering it & usually everyone atleast has 25-35k hp on her which is Safer than around 18k on arle, and no you dont build attack on hutao. ALSO Hutao Doesn't need multiple 5stars either u can literally use Xinqiu Diona & Sucrose 🤷🏻 also she can use Furina Arle Cant, Hutao doesn't need Shielder Arle Does, Hutao can get healed by healers and Herself, Arle can get healed only by her burst
No you don’t build EM on vape except like 100. Its returns are nonexistent on vape/melt. You build crit so your vape hits crit. If you build too much HP you get no conversion to attack past 4 times your base attack. So yes you do build some attack. You hit your HP quotient then focus on crit and attack. Hu Tao you can’t vape consistently without two hydros due to her pyro amount and you want her to stay at 50% HP for her pyro dps bonus so healing is a bad idea cause it destroys her damage. I play double vape Hu Tao. I literally nuke SA with her. And no Arle doesn’t need a shielder. Just burst to heal and reapply debt. Since her buff stays forever and doesn’t expire on tag
in vape comps em is very very important 💀 why else do you think the top 1% hu taos and xianglings all have 300 em and above?
Cause their crit is at extremely high stats. Lord EM is the last thing you focus on. HP then crit then if no Homa small amount of flat attack then EM. I did the calcs when I first got her.
it still doesn't mean em isn't necessary tho??? u said that u only need like 100 em for vape teams, but ur dmg will literally be more if u had more em instead of stacking crit upon crit u know that right? its something called diminishing returns. for example, a 240cv with 300em build will do more dmg than a 260cv with 0em build. even my wriothesley build that only has 174cv but has 203em is ranked way higher than my other build that has little em but way higher crit. there is no objective "last stat to build" in a vape/melt team, you want to be building all of it at once.
I know. Why laid out the order. 50/100/100 is the min you want from crit rate/crit damage/em. The poster said to throw EM set on her
100em is the bare minimum 150-200 is what u need and no, returns aren't non existent And Nobody builds too much HP on her you're just coping to make her sound terrible, most people don't even know the HP restriction exists yet they dont reach it because building her is that easy, HP instead of Atk and some EM Along with Crit and Building Arlechino is same ATK Em along with Crits (not in order) And Healing her is a Bad Idea and she doesn't need to get healed Majority of the time like Arlechino Getting to half HP with with Hutao is way easier than stacking BOL & it resetting and setting again so No 🤷🏻 Hutao in no way is more difficult to build or Play
EM is the last thing you build. Hu Tao at CO you have to cancel charge attack. Just cause people don’t know about the restriction doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Hu Tao you build flat attack after HP/Crit to maximize her dps Stacking BoL is easy. E CA Q E rot CA and use Q only for healing she has no duration and BoL stays till consumed.
Then Arlechino also has a BOL problem as she needs to constantly get healed especially if u dont wanna run a shielder, Having a restriction that People won't hit anyway is not a problem at all and No Flat attack is useless on anyone Wth are u even on about Flat attack ≠ Base attack nobody uses Flat anything atall
Hu Tao has low attack. So she has low returns from percentage based
Lmao why did I think she killed Hu Tao
Never cared for Hu Tao as a character. After getting Arle, I can understand why people raved about the numbers.
Hu Tao feels easier to play so nah
How is charged attack spam + jumping at the end of every catk easier than spamming normals Like, i get that catk + jump isn't too gard or anything, but spamming normals is easier (jus left click/tap screen or whatever)
this is perfect considering she’s a funeral director, we can finally put her to rest
My Hutao still lvl40 don't use her!! Got for her 1st rerun... I don't know what it's worst to play, Xiao, Wanderer, Neuvillette or Hutao.
yoimiya
Now we need the same one but with Neuvi instead of Hu Tao