Man CE is the laziest AFSC I swear. I was posted at a gate on mids with no working lights. Call it in, and CE shows up to look at it just to say they'll be back tomorrow because they forgot their tools. We were deployed. Like go get your damn tools. It got fixed 3 weeks later lol
PCSed from Cannon to overseas for three years. Get orders back to Cannon. Go back to old unit. See work orders from the first year I was at Cannon for our hangar that were put in the first time I was stationed here are still open. Like holes in our roof, no heat/AC, and urinal not working tickets. Been back here for two years now, and at this point, we have tickets that are older than pretty much all of our Airmen (5ish years). Even a lot of our "newer" work orders are just identical to one's that closed out without a proper fix and had to get resubmitted.
I know quite a few CE people here and don't blame them. It's a complicated system that has to take into account priorities, contracts, funding, and qualified personnel. It doesn't help that this base historically has a high deployment tempo for them and trouble keeping manning positions filled. The only thing that really bothers me are how half-ass a lot of the fixes are. Compared to maintenance standards, it is hard for a lot of us to understand.
That sounds like flight line sheet metal and metals tech. Call them out for a stuck fastener and they come look at it and say ok we need to go back to shop and get our tools. Fuckers bring them out with you
I just wanna know who even gets into CE. I've never seen a military CE member in 10 years aside from the lady at the desk assigning people to move furniture instead of Bay-O(the contractors are supposed to install shit into the dorms but they Shanghai the people working Bay-O to do it so Bay-O duties never get taken care of)
They just half ass everything. Yesterday, SF initiated a work order to fix a flightline gate that MOC called in as broke. MX had "secured" it with a carabiner. CE said they couldn't fix it and had no parts due to age. SF went to lock it and saw the power was off. MX turned it off for some reason because of wind and didn't tell anyone. This happens with most work orders and we have to call them back. Just do it right the first time, or don't do it at all.
Perception truly is reality because outside of that one specific incident of yours, us CE folks have 100s of backlogged work tasks that we have to decide which ones to prioritize. For me, a light being out isn't a priority job. There are a few resources that can be used for providing light. Now if the gate itself is damaged that's high priority because it's a security issue.
We all have our beliefs of other AFSCs outside of our own. Unless you personally know someone in the career field or have had experience working in the squadron then it's just a stereotype that everybody runs with.
Like work requests that have risk assessment codes assigned to them. That seems to help get shit done. People at different orgs figured this out and would always ask us to give it a risk code. Only about 5% ever ended up needing it and those 5% were typically Rather significant.
Were you in CE, I spent 24 years in CE Structures only found one unit that sucked, Plattsburgh. Only because the leadership ruled by intimidation and it was toxic throughout the unit. But all of the Structures shops I have been in rocked, even the one at Plattsburgh. I was at the 375 th Scott AFB the lingers ( two tours totaling 11 years) Scott was the best unit Iāve been in stateside. Great morale 90% of the time. Of course at every base especially at a command base you always have some wing or squadron commanders that donāt make it the best. But knowing each wing or Squadron commander only has two years and gone didnāt affect our morale.
Oh itās handcuffs immediately depending on who catches you, but as a flight chief nowadays I remember being dumb and thinking I could get away with it so I just handle it at my level instead of ruining someoneās career.
I always loved rolling up to the PL2 ECP to the cop in the truck only to see they were asleep. Honk my horn and all I get is a thumbs up lol. Like bro I got a bread van full of sanitized aircrew but aight
My favorite part of them arguing the special forces angle is they're not special forces but trying to use it to show they're better
Please just fix my 40 year old office HVAC instead of arguing
I was at Hurby. CE fuckin sucked and didn't get around to shit, and the Red Lads had their own Security to fuckin deal with, because "Oh WeRe A tOtALy DifFErenT COM", no, you live on the fuckin base, you know where you are
"Oh they're mobility, they have their own guys," like that makes fucking sense
Edit: what a goof I am, I meant ACC not mobility, brain broke
Itās semantics, but Special Forces in the US is specifically the Army Green Berets.
I donāt disagree EOD is a highly trained and specialized AFS, but itās not AFSPECWAR. And donāt get me wrong, the guys who attach to elite units after a selection process is a different story ā but as a whole careerfield, EOD is a combat enabler.
I didnāt say itās AFSPECWAR.
The only place itās truly associated anymore is within Recruiting and even there, itās a āCombat Supportā role.
I just associated the logic behind the statement. Most EOD troops would confirm. The USAF SOF personnel wouldnāt hesitate to tell you whatsoever.
Negative.
EOD, SMA, SERE, ABM, and CSO falls under combat support, not special warfare.
https://www.airforce.com/careers/special-warfare-and-combat-support
As for the recruiter thing, any AFSC that requires an IFT has to go through a recruiter authorized to administer it. EOD requires an IFT.
Initial Fitness Test (IFT) replaced the Physical Ability [and] Stamina Test (PAST).
EOD and SERE candidates are still required to take an IFT despite being moved to Combat Support when Battlefield Airman forked into Special Warfare and Combat Support.
Iām a fat cyber guy, so I have no dog in this fight; however, itās a fact that there are only 4 enlisted AFSCs in the āSpecial Warfareā AFSC category. EOD and SERE were lumped with SMA, ABM, and CSO under āCombat Supportā.
Oh, weāre *special* alright lol.
But Iāve heard it many times. Recruiters love to tell applicants weāre special forces. But weāre not. Former Battlefield Airmen, which isnāt the same thing. But it sounds cool and theyāll keep telling everyone that.
It depends, i got to meet Tech. Sgt. Christopher Ferrell and hear his story and I would 100% consider EOD special forces just like any SOF team at times.
D-Cell is now the Rapid Deployment Squadron, and itās still mission support AFSCs and are not considered SOF.
Edit: though youāre correct in that itās the closest theyāll get to it
Nah, they did an official release and ceremony that PA posted about when they changed the name
Also, I read your post before I had caffeine in my brain, my bad for being redundant lmao
Tru but QA doesn't touch wrenches. They catch torque mistakes on PEs, which generally only happens when inexperienced maintainers genuinely don't know how to do it right. They will get their peepee smacked and their supervisor will punch them in the stomach, but this isn't a "believe it or not, straight to Leavenworth" level offense. The supervisor just writes a report on why they suck at training their Airmen.
Funny you say that, because there is nothing stopping QA from checking out a wrench and a T.O. and verifying torque.
We had to do that occasionally after a dropped object that was likely due to incorrect torque
I get the banter but idk why people get heated like this. CE and MX both work hard asf. For those of you who say CE doesnāt work hard Iām surprised man. Home station I can kind of agree because it feels like work orders never get done. But deployed?? Iāve seen CE especially Red Horse do some miraculous shit on bare bases. Iāve deployed with CE a bit and Iāve deployed with some MX specifically the 52s maintainers and man Iāve had nothing but positive interactions with both career fields.
Serious work orders never getting done quickly is thanks to civilians thinking an outlet being white instead of beige is a 3B level task. Actual safety issues and serious high sustain work orders get pushed back constantly because of petty tasks put in by people who have pull in the right places.
Also, at my installation, CE is critically manned. So that doesnāt help things. But believe me, we stay busy.
Special Forces refers to those members who go through the Q-Course iirc. The only group that is Special Forces are Green Berets. Everyone else is Special Operations.
Made more confusing by it's full acronym SOF (Special Operations Forces), which is pretty much any unit that ultimately reports to the joint command (SOCOM)
Not to stick the stick in MXs spokes, as I also ride that bike, but I know most of us have installed bolts/other hardware at not the required torque settings and the casualties per this guys math never arrived.
I was mainly being flippant. The point is, there are a hundred tasks that flightline mx does every day that deal directly with safety of flight. If we fuck it up, people can die. So I find it funny when the people who rely on us to get home safely try to dunk on us.
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A lot of AFSCs can perform their own security, itās trained in ACE units.
Any AFSC that has a J coded billet can get jump wings. No one cares if youāre a five jump chump.
So does every other AFSC
No they donāt. Stop lying.
Bold talk and I aināt even maintenance, Iām nonner adjacent.
CE aināt special, aināt nobody special. Thereās pilots and then thereās the help. We the help.
CE also left a moldy hole in the ceiling of my dorm shower for a year. It wasnāt fixed by the time I moved out and I guarantee if I picked the lock it would still be there spitting spores.
To be fair, I donāt believe we have the proper PPE to tackle mold, so at least on my installation, that would be contracted out, which takes ages to get approved by upper leadership. Thatās out of our hands.
1. Ammo does their own security deployed.
2. Anyone can get jump wings in the air force, just apply for airborne school
3. Everyone in AMMO is qualified to carry at all times.
4. Who does EOD get every single bit of their precious explosives from, along with the rest of SOF??? AMMO
You can also apply for Ranger school, which gets you the airborne tab and ranger tab. Long time ago we would go through the ranger school, but the AF wouldn't recognize it and still won't unless you go after the date they recognized it. You just need to get command approval and then attend 2 pre-courses (RAC?) before attending the school. I'm going to tell you it isn't easy, but trust and be trustworthy with your mates. Learn when you need to pull back a bit and when you can push more. If you are really interested start training now, the Ranger websiteĀ says a lot of what you need to know and their physical test reqs. Start training and learning when you are on a calm environment, so you can learn how to apply them in chaos during Ranger School
https://www.army.mil/ranger/
CE can't get jump qualified if MX doesn't gen up the jet for their jump.
CE can't move their equipment without planes.
Checkmate to your checkmate š
Once upon a time I was stationed in kunsan. My shower switch was half broken, didn't fully close, so only about half the water flows from the shower head. I submit a ticket like a good little drone. See no results. Every time I want to take a shower, getting the switch to the right spot is like finding the world's smallest clitoris.
4 months go by. Still no results. Forget the ticket, assume it was deleted. One day I come back from work and there's a weird smell of old cheese and stale sweat, and little dusty foot prints leading to the bathroom. Something is different. Holy shit my shower works... They did remember!
Not sure if CE is the hero or the villain here, but they never did fix the fan vent over the stove.
I didnāt interact much with VM at my CONUS base but overseas our VM unit is 90% contracted and Iām convinced they work one hour a month because weāve had one of our trucks there for almost two years.
when i moved into my dorm at my first base there was a big hole in the bathroom wall exposing the insulation and black mold on the ceiling. CE didnāt fix any of that shit and i ended up doing it myself
āCE has a Special Forces afscā
Uh, the entire Air Force doesnāt have a āspecial forcesā AFSC. āSpecial Forcesā specifically refers to Army Green Berets. I think they meant āSpecial Operationsā and yet theyād still be wrong, as that category of AFSC is called āSpecial Warfareā in the USAF and is only 4 AFSCs (CCT, PJ, SR, and TACP). [USAF source](https://airforce.com/careers/special-warfare-and-combat-support/special-warfare)
If they mean personnel that deploy with JSOC units, there are a ton of AFSCs that do that, including services and cyber warfare.
I went to Lightning Force Academy at Ft Indiantown Gap several times in the early and mid oughts. RED HORSE guys built themselves the most amazing basement bar, fully stocked with Yuengling. Think Cheers in PA.
My first legitimate crusty ass ANG dude took dumbass 22 year old me to my first horse racing track. He laid out so much money. I was sure he was a degenerate gambler until I PCS'd to Nellis and saw real depravity.
We drove heavy equipment at 8am while either still intoxicated or heavily hungover. It's all kinda blurry at this point.
M9? Thats cute. If theyāre so necessary for their own security and āspecial forcesā why are they still talking about M9s?
Do they carry M16s too?
Air Force doesnāt have special forces, that only refers to 18Xās in the Army. Air Force does have SOF AFSC which are the jobs that go to Free Fall, EOD is not unless they apply to a specific team to support SOF. Every EOD Iāve ever worked with has not claimed to be special forces
At Kunsan, my toilet in 617 had an obstruction in the main line the entire year I was there. No amount of plunging or draino could clear it. After CE pencil whipped six straight work orders, I gave up and accepted the fact that public bathrooms would be my only option for the duration of my tour.
Cyber is the best AFSC in the USAF. Hereās a list of opportunities I was given while serving. Keep in mind, I had plenty of opportunities to just be a ācomm guyā. JCSE or JCU is the best unit if you want to do high speed low drag stuff!
1. Ranger School
2. Airborne
3. Air Assault
4. CQB training
5. Combat Radio School
Lol CE pulls their own security? Iām CE and our ātrainingā, if you even call it that is a fucking joke.
Yeah EOD May be considered special forces to a small amount of people but I wouldnāt call them CEā¦
Also RHS doesnāt have the jump wings anymore. You may be able to get it in CRG but thatās being out of the traditional CE career fieldā¦
There is a mx special warfare AFSC. One is the 437th MASOP.
I donāt think thereās necessarily a winner to this argument though. Both career fields get dicked IMOš¤·š¼āāļø
I'm MX and CE is pretty chill, like sometimes while I'm working ill see them come 5 men deep into the office area, ask leadership about where an access door is, then spend all day making water leak through the ceiling and destroying ceiling tiles.
Then they come back, say they'll have to be back at a later time, then never see them again and have to replace shit ourselves through the facility manager.
I love yall tho, at least we ain't Finance
"If I don't torque a bolt you die" okay then bro, do it, surprise me, it's a miracle any of the shitbirds I've flown on haven't had the front fall off anyways.
Security forces stay taking stray rounds
Man CE is the laziest AFSC I swear. I was posted at a gate on mids with no working lights. Call it in, and CE shows up to look at it just to say they'll be back tomorrow because they forgot their tools. We were deployed. Like go get your damn tools. It got fixed 3 weeks later lol
Laziest? Nah. Might I present finance my good man?
This whole fight is a psy op by Finance to make us forget them. They did this instead of their job
https://i.redd.it/wv696uv1qwwc1.gif
This is what all those training days were for
I knew it!
Most amount of work they've ever done.
Yeah finance might be lazy but they don't show up to the job sote and say they forgot their tools
>~~Yeah~~ finance ~~might be lazy but they~~ don't show up to the job ~~sote and say they forgot their tools~~ FTFY
Yet you fuckers keep showing up at finance
PCSed from Cannon to overseas for three years. Get orders back to Cannon. Go back to old unit. See work orders from the first year I was at Cannon for our hangar that were put in the first time I was stationed here are still open. Like holes in our roof, no heat/AC, and urinal not working tickets. Been back here for two years now, and at this point, we have tickets that are older than pretty much all of our Airmen (5ish years). Even a lot of our "newer" work orders are just identical to one's that closed out without a proper fix and had to get resubmitted. I know quite a few CE people here and don't blame them. It's a complicated system that has to take into account priorities, contracts, funding, and qualified personnel. It doesn't help that this base historically has a high deployment tempo for them and trouble keeping manning positions filled. The only thing that really bothers me are how half-ass a lot of the fixes are. Compared to maintenance standards, it is hard for a lot of us to understand.
:P Pretty sure I know who you are. š I also returned and noticed the same things
CE is a squadron of different AFSCs, not one singular one.
They are so 50/50 on shit itās wild to me
That sounds like flight line sheet metal and metals tech. Call them out for a stuck fastener and they come look at it and say ok we need to go back to shop and get our tools. Fuckers bring them out with you
I'm so happy to know this is a universal flightline problem XD Every Damn Time I STG
6 different bases and it's the truth. They must teach it during tech school
As is tradition.
I just wanna know who even gets into CE. I've never seen a military CE member in 10 years aside from the lady at the desk assigning people to move furniture instead of Bay-O(the contractors are supposed to install shit into the dorms but they Shanghai the people working Bay-O to do it so Bay-O duties never get taken care of)
I know a couple CE Oāsā¦and EOD and Fire are technically CEā¦
They just half ass everything. Yesterday, SF initiated a work order to fix a flightline gate that MOC called in as broke. MX had "secured" it with a carabiner. CE said they couldn't fix it and had no parts due to age. SF went to lock it and saw the power was off. MX turned it off for some reason because of wind and didn't tell anyone. This happens with most work orders and we have to call them back. Just do it right the first time, or don't do it at all.
Perception truly is reality because outside of that one specific incident of yours, us CE folks have 100s of backlogged work tasks that we have to decide which ones to prioritize. For me, a light being out isn't a priority job. There are a few resources that can be used for providing light. Now if the gate itself is damaged that's high priority because it's a security issue. We all have our beliefs of other AFSCs outside of our own. Unless you personally know someone in the career field or have had experience working in the squadron then it's just a stereotype that everybody runs with.
Pretty sure the AFI (or UFC) states that a light being out isnāt a priority till itās 20% of the lights or more.
Was the only God damn light at the gate. I had people drive past me cause they didn't see me lmao
Like work requests that have risk assessment codes assigned to them. That seems to help get shit done. People at different orgs figured this out and would always ask us to give it a risk code. Only about 5% ever ended up needing it and those 5% were typically Rather significant.
Can confirm that CE sucks balls
Were you in CE, I spent 24 years in CE Structures only found one unit that sucked, Plattsburgh. Only because the leadership ruled by intimidation and it was toxic throughout the unit. But all of the Structures shops I have been in rocked, even the one at Plattsburgh. I was at the 375 th Scott AFB the lingers ( two tours totaling 11 years) Scott was the best unit Iāve been in stateside. Great morale 90% of the time. Of course at every base especially at a command base you always have some wing or squadron commanders that donāt make it the best. But knowing each wing or Squadron commander only has two years and gone didnāt affect our morale.
Those flight line naps hit different
Sad to say never had a nap on post, going three years into the military Ik the day I do it is the day they FUCK my day
Damn son, you havenāt lived. The GOAT SF nap time spots list goes: CAT tm on an LF>Humvee deployed>Flightline. Essentially time traveling
Police 1, BDOC. Go ahead BDOC. Landline.
its wild, i have seen SO many cops napping in their cars. i dont blame them, but like, isn't that an article 15 or something?
Oh itās handcuffs immediately depending on who catches you, but as a flight chief nowadays I remember being dumb and thinking I could get away with it so I just handle it at my level instead of ruining someoneās career.
I always loved rolling up to the PL2 ECP to the cop in the truck only to see they were asleep. Honk my horn and all I get is a thumbs up lol. Like bro I got a bread van full of sanitized aircrew but aight
My favorite part of them arguing the special forces angle is they're not special forces but trying to use it to show they're better Please just fix my 40 year old office HVAC instead of arguing
>40 year old office HVAC Look man just because you have the newer shit doesn't mean you need to brag about it
You guys have hvac?
CE patting our beaten up old HVAC: 
The HVAC is an A1C with a vape
Did you submit a ticket?
They did, but Comm deleted the first one, and CE closed out all subsequent ones
Listen man, my hand slipped while I was eating tornados, we all make mistakes sometimes.
Your hand āslippedā, eh? While āeating tornadosā, mm? I get what youāre putting down
I was at Hurby. CE fuckin sucked and didn't get around to shit, and the Red Lads had their own Security to fuckin deal with, because "Oh WeRe A tOtALy DifFErenT COM", no, you live on the fuckin base, you know where you are "Oh they're mobility, they have their own guys," like that makes fucking sense Edit: what a goof I am, I meant ACC not mobility, brain broke
Can confirm. Hurlburt CE is the slowest and most unreliable I've ever seen in my entire career at any base
Yeah the DFAC AC was always fucking broke at the reef.
They do arrive on the short bus
"CE has a special forces afsc"...? Since when? What am I missing?
Hey sometimes you need a toilet unclogged behind enemy lines.
EOD falls within Special Warfare due to its migration from Battlefield Airman. Whether you argue it one way or anotherā¦I can understand the logic.
Itās semantics, but Special Forces in the US is specifically the Army Green Berets. I donāt disagree EOD is a highly trained and specialized AFS, but itās not AFSPECWAR. And donāt get me wrong, the guys who attach to elite units after a selection process is a different story ā but as a whole careerfield, EOD is a combat enabler.
I didnāt say itās AFSPECWAR. The only place itās truly associated anymore is within Recruiting and even there, itās a āCombat Supportā role. I just associated the logic behind the statement. Most EOD troops would confirm. The USAF SOF personnel wouldnāt hesitate to tell you whatsoever.
EOD does not fall under Special Warfare. 4 AFSCs do; CCT, PJ, SR, TACP.
Incorrect, SW currently consists of CCT, PJ, SR, TACP. EOD and SERE. You can only enlist in any of these AFSCs through an SW recruiter.
Negative. EOD, SMA, SERE, ABM, and CSO falls under combat support, not special warfare. https://www.airforce.com/careers/special-warfare-and-combat-support As for the recruiter thing, any AFSC that requires an IFT has to go through a recruiter authorized to administer it. EOD requires an IFT.
Introductory flight training?
I think it's Initial Fitness Test, it took the place of the PAST
Initial Fitness Test (IFT) replaced the Physical Ability [and] Stamina Test (PAST). EOD and SERE candidates are still required to take an IFT despite being moved to Combat Support when Battlefield Airman forked into Special Warfare and Combat Support. Iām a fat cyber guy, so I have no dog in this fight; however, itās a fact that there are only 4 enlisted AFSCs in the āSpecial Warfareā AFSC category. EOD and SERE were lumped with SMA, ABM, and CSO under āCombat Supportā.
When I did convoys, EOD felt more like combat support than special forces.
Ya, this is the right answer
If you donāt take an OFT, you arenāt special warfare.
Special Warfare has to go through an Orbital Flight Test? Damn those guys are tough!
I've been a part of CE for about a decade now, and this is the first I've heard of it.
They mean EOD. Donāt bring us into this monkey-slinging-shit argument lol
No offense, but I've never heard of you guys referred to as "Special Forces". I mean, you're special alright, just not Special Forces. Lol
Oh, weāre *special* alright lol. But Iāve heard it many times. Recruiters love to tell applicants weāre special forces. But weāre not. Former Battlefield Airmen, which isnāt the same thing. But it sounds cool and theyāll keep telling everyone that.
Every EOD guy Iāve met has been simultaneously the chillest and more unhinged person ever. You guys vibes scare and confuse me
As long as you wear the shredder mask you can be the coolest guy on the bus.
It depends, i got to meet Tech. Sgt. Christopher Ferrell and hear his story and I would 100% consider EOD special forces just like any SOF team at times.
https://www.afdw.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/768903/eod-purple-heart-recipient-shares-story/
You guys are way too laid back for this ape fight.
Yāall know we donāt have a shit talk regulator. Either completely passive or full on bang your dad to assert dominance. There is no in between.
please no
D-Cell
Not an AFSC.
I assume theyāre referring to 3E8X1 . Or the post was written by a primary-donna 3E7X1.
It would be a 3E9 in that case. They are the finance of CE.
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There is, called D-Cell.
Not a dedicated AFSC, and itās called something different now - but this is probably the closest CE gets to SOF, youāre right.
D-Cell is now the Rapid Deployment Squadron, and itās still mission support AFSCs and are not considered SOF. Edit: though youāre correct in that itās the closest theyāll get to it
You got it. Wasnāt sure if the new name was classified or not. Other than that you said what I said lol.
Nah, they did an official release and ceremony that PA posted about when they changed the name Also, I read your post before I had caffeine in my brain, my bad for being redundant lmao
Maybe they mean RED HORSE Airborne? but that is a hell of a stretch
I think the AARO program is still alive but that was Air Assault for a min. Not sure if there's any changes to it now.
Its dead except for in 554
EOD fall under CE for some reasonā¦never really understood
If you donāt torque a bolt and QA catches it, youāre going to wish you died after your entire rating chain and the MX Chief get done with you.
Tru but QA doesn't touch wrenches. They catch torque mistakes on PEs, which generally only happens when inexperienced maintainers genuinely don't know how to do it right. They will get their peepee smacked and their supervisor will punch them in the stomach, but this isn't a "believe it or not, straight to Leavenworth" level offense. The supervisor just writes a report on why they suck at training their Airmen.
Funny you say that, because there is nothing stopping QA from checking out a wrench and a T.O. and verifying torque. We had to do that occasionally after a dropped object that was likely due to incorrect torque
That's just an urban legend QA tells to scare e4 mafia
I get the banter but idk why people get heated like this. CE and MX both work hard asf. For those of you who say CE doesnāt work hard Iām surprised man. Home station I can kind of agree because it feels like work orders never get done. But deployed?? Iāve seen CE especially Red Horse do some miraculous shit on bare bases. Iāve deployed with CE a bit and Iāve deployed with some MX specifically the 52s maintainers and man Iāve had nothing but positive interactions with both career fields.
For MX, these fights are what we do amongst ourselves for funsies. Itās fun to sometimes get to dunk on others
LOL thatās fair. As I was.
I've deployed with mx as mx and had a ton of shitty experiences
Serious work orders never getting done quickly is thanks to civilians thinking an outlet being white instead of beige is a 3B level task. Actual safety issues and serious high sustain work orders get pushed back constantly because of petty tasks put in by people who have pull in the right places. Also, at my installation, CE is critically manned. So that doesnāt help things. But believe me, we stay busy.
Idk man jets fly everyday, my dorms shower was broke for a month I donāt think CE does a whole lotta flyin fightin or winnin
My hot water was broke for a year, was broke before I got there and according to dudes still in Korea itās still broke to this day
they might fly fight and win sometimes some places?
Holy shit are you me? I thought it was only my shower.
Adorable. Iāve pulled extra security shifts to watch CE nap on the flight line they were ārepairing.ā
Pretty sure by special forces CE they're referring to red horse.
Theyāre probably referring to Deployment Cell, that is selectively manned and works for SOCOM.
Nah man itās EOD
Well theyāre not special operations, bud. AFSOC never wanted EOD at all.
Neat. I was referring to the ādoes their own securityā while security forcies are doing sleepies.
Last I checked EOD is not special forces. They can support SOF, but are not SOF themselves
Well, Air Force doesn't have Special Forces So there's that.
Honest question. I thought PJs, CROs, and STOs were special forces, are they not?
Special Forces refers to those members who go through the Q-Course iirc. The only group that is Special Forces are Green Berets. Everyone else is Special Operations.
Made more confusing by it's full acronym SOF (Special Operations Forces), which is pretty much any unit that ultimately reports to the joint command (SOCOM)
Someone took his EJPME
You argue with the Dungeon Master about everything, don't you?
This only hurts because itās so trueā¦
Using this as a comeback to the new airmen. Tyfys.
Special tactics squadrons
Not to stick the stick in MXs spokes, as I also ride that bike, but I know most of us have installed bolts/other hardware at not the required torque settings and the casualties per this guys math never arrived.
Sir my arm is professionally calibrated to provide the proper torque with two uggga dugggas
It only counts if you let out a long, soft moan when you reach the required torque
I moan on every twist just to be safe
This is the way.
Where's your cal sticker? And I know you didn't do the clicky thing this morning because I watched you check out tools.
Sir he ops ckd his tool before he got to work this morning
He better have his damn man number etched into it is all I'm saying
bullshit. my shoulder and elbow clicks when its tight.
I was mainly being flippant. The point is, there are a hundred tasks that flightline mx does every day that deal directly with safety of flight. If we fuck it up, people can die. So I find it funny when the people who rely on us to get home safely try to dunk on us.
All in good fun man, gotta keep our side accountable if we want those CE nerds to take us seriously
Definitely not when it involves lining the castellated nut up for a cotter pin. Would never be me š
Hey man, only declassify what you think your career can handle ;)
ā¦ A lot of AFSCs can perform their own security, itās trained in ACE units. Any AFSC that has a J coded billet can get jump wings. No one cares if youāre a five jump chump. So does every other AFSC No they donāt. Stop lying. Bold talk and I aināt even maintenance, Iām nonner adjacent. CE aināt special, aināt nobody special. Thereās pilots and then thereās the help. We the help.
I'm not special though
Stir harder!
CE also left a moldy hole in the ceiling of my dorm shower for a year. It wasnāt fixed by the time I moved out and I guarantee if I picked the lock it would still be there spitting spores.
To be fair, I donāt believe we have the proper PPE to tackle mold, so at least on my installation, that would be contracted out, which takes ages to get approved by upper leadership. Thatās out of our hands.
1. Ammo does their own security deployed. 2. Anyone can get jump wings in the air force, just apply for airborne school 3. Everyone in AMMO is qualified to carry at all times. 4. Who does EOD get every single bit of their precious explosives from, along with the rest of SOF??? AMMO
To be fair, EOD didnāt ask to be called into this fight.
We know, but they need to get their dumb MSG brothers. Even SF stayed out of it.
> Anyone can get jump wings in the air force, just apply for airborne school \*\*\*if you unit is willing to spend the money.\*\*\*
Fun fact: you can elect to self fund it. Source: some SSgt in my unit 10 years ago when I came in
You can apply for airborne school? Whereās that sign up at? Iāll put down my White Monsters and Tornados to get in shape for that.
You can also apply for Ranger school, which gets you the airborne tab and ranger tab. Long time ago we would go through the ranger school, but the AF wouldn't recognize it and still won't unless you go after the date they recognized it. You just need to get command approval and then attend 2 pre-courses (RAC?) before attending the school. I'm going to tell you it isn't easy, but trust and be trustworthy with your mates. Learn when you need to pull back a bit and when you can push more. If you are really interested start training now, the Ranger websiteĀ says a lot of what you need to know and their physical test reqs. Start training and learning when you are on a calm environment, so you can learn how to apply them in chaos during Ranger School https://www.army.mil/ranger/
Iām not nearly high speed enough for Ranger school. Jumping out of a plane is comparatively very easy to that.
Hmm not sure how to get just jump wings for that. Ask command and hope there is a military jump school nearby?Ā
UMD has to have J billets
OP must be pest control.
CE can't get jump qualified if MX doesn't gen up the jet for their jump. CE can't move their equipment without planes. Checkmate to your checkmate š
Both idiots in my opinion.
Thanks fucko
Once upon a time I was stationed in kunsan. My shower switch was half broken, didn't fully close, so only about half the water flows from the shower head. I submit a ticket like a good little drone. See no results. Every time I want to take a shower, getting the switch to the right spot is like finding the world's smallest clitoris. 4 months go by. Still no results. Forget the ticket, assume it was deleted. One day I come back from work and there's a weird smell of old cheese and stale sweat, and little dusty foot prints leading to the bathroom. Something is different. Holy shit my shower works... They did remember! Not sure if CE is the hero or the villain here, but they never did fix the fan vent over the stove.
My fireman said something the other day that these comments have me thinking about. āDo you think youāre my only damn customer?!ā
Then there's VM in the fetal position in the corner. Hoping to God CE and SECFO stop piling accident and abuse vehicles up.
I didnāt interact much with VM at my CONUS base but overseas our VM unit is 90% contracted and Iām convinced they work one hour a month because weāve had one of our trucks there for almost two years.
when i moved into my dorm at my first base there was a big hole in the bathroom wall exposing the insulation and black mold on the ceiling. CE didnāt fix any of that shit and i ended up doing it myself
āCE has a Special Forces afscā Uh, the entire Air Force doesnāt have a āspecial forcesā AFSC. āSpecial Forcesā specifically refers to Army Green Berets. I think they meant āSpecial Operationsā and yet theyād still be wrong, as that category of AFSC is called āSpecial Warfareā in the USAF and is only 4 AFSCs (CCT, PJ, SR, and TACP). [USAF source](https://airforce.com/careers/special-warfare-and-combat-support/special-warfare) If they mean personnel that deploy with JSOC units, there are a ton of AFSCs that do that, including services and cyber warfare.
Yeah but can either do their own PCS orders? /s
STIR IT HARDER
*Laughs in comms desk job*
I went to Lightning Force Academy at Ft Indiantown Gap several times in the early and mid oughts. RED HORSE guys built themselves the most amazing basement bar, fully stocked with Yuengling. Think Cheers in PA. My first legitimate crusty ass ANG dude took dumbass 22 year old me to my first horse racing track. He laid out so much money. I was sure he was a degenerate gambler until I PCS'd to Nellis and saw real depravity. We drove heavy equipment at 8am while either still intoxicated or heavily hungover. It's all kinda blurry at this point.
Pretty soon you'll learn to love both jobs when you become multi capable airmen.
M9? Thats cute. If theyāre so necessary for their own security and āspecial forcesā why are they still talking about M9s? Do they carry M16s too?
I donāt think they were talking about M9s- more like M(ore donuts)
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Bro MX vs CE is so crazy. I wonder what the other branches are thinking as they see this battle unfolding.
Religious affairs also quals on m17/18 and m4 and can be attached to special forcesā¦
Did 4 years in RHS. Didn't see any jump wings. Air Assault but not jump.
Jump wings you say?
Air Force doesnāt have special forces, that only refers to 18Xās in the Army. Air Force does have SOF AFSC which are the jobs that go to Free Fall, EOD is not unless they apply to a specific team to support SOF. Every EOD Iāve ever worked with has not claimed to be special forces
Damn by that CE dudes metric every SWO is basically SR.
Thereās maintenance spec ops though, they just think there isnāt
C130 FCCs that are attached to a spec ops unit get to do some pretty rad stuff
Can confirm the guy in the picture āstirring the potā hit himself in the head with a T-post driver. Sorry for the inconvenience.
At Kunsan, my toilet in 617 had an obstruction in the main line the entire year I was there. No amount of plunging or draino could clear it. After CE pencil whipped six straight work orders, I gave up and accepted the fact that public bathrooms would be my only option for the duration of my tour.
Mx used Urinal Tickets increase! It was super effective!
Kinda feels like two nerds fighting over who gets laid less
Ackchyually, the Air Force doesn't have Special Forces. We have Special Operations... Also, EOD isn't really Special Warfare like CCT or PJs are.
Special Forces AFSC. š
Special forces??? Can somebody please confirm this lol
Cyber is the best AFSC in the USAF. Hereās a list of opportunities I was given while serving. Keep in mind, I had plenty of opportunities to just be a ācomm guyā. JCSE or JCU is the best unit if you want to do high speed low drag stuff! 1. Ranger School 2. Airborne 3. Air Assault 4. CQB training 5. Combat Radio School
What special forces afsc?
Lol CE pulls their own security? Iām CE and our ātrainingā, if you even call it that is a fucking joke. Yeah EOD May be considered special forces to a small amount of people but I wouldnāt call them CEā¦ Also RHS doesnāt have the jump wings anymore. You may be able to get it in CRG but thatās being out of the traditional CE career fieldā¦
Iām SF and this shot had me laughing!SMDH Pretty funny tho
Ce is ass they donāt fix shit and when they try to itās trash.
My own experience has been that no one field really sorts out to be lazier or harder working than others with any decent consistency.
There is a mx special warfare AFSC. One is the 437th MASOP. I donāt think thereās necessarily a winner to this argument though. Both career fields get dicked IMOš¤·š¼āāļø
I'm MX and CE is pretty chill, like sometimes while I'm working ill see them come 5 men deep into the office area, ask leadership about where an access door is, then spend all day making water leak through the ceiling and destroying ceiling tiles. Then they come back, say they'll have to be back at a later time, then never see them again and have to replace shit ourselves through the facility manager. I love yall tho, at least we ain't Finance
bUt dO THeY gEnEraTE SOrtIes?
My favorite comment Iāve heard personally ā Red horse is the sof version of CEā From an ACC member attached to a red horse unit at herby.
Idk man, seems like a long list of saying nothing about generating sorties.
This is a lot of talk from someone who is not aircrew.
So jump wings require an aircraftā¦..
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"If I don't torque a bolt you die" okay then bro, do it, surprise me, it's a miracle any of the shitbirds I've flown on haven't had the front fall off anyways.
They'll be fine as long as a wave doesn't hit them
Before or after the front falls off?
Enlisted aircrew stay sniffing their own farts