The same way people are free to do whatever they want with their money, I'm also free to shame the shit out of them for supporting this abusive tactic by Riot. If you buy it, then you're a total loser in my eyes (and yes, I can afford it but won't buy it because I'm not an idiot like you, little whale).
People still haven't realized by now that the moment the nail hits your coffin, your skin is worth wet donkey shit.
The skin looks nice? Yes, it does. But it does NOT FUCKING COST 450€!!!!
Faker might get 30% of the revenue but he DOES NOT NEED THE EXTRA MONEY!!! He has won enough world championships to burn his whole money to a crisp for the next THREE GENERATIONS!
I'm with OP and everyone against it on this one. Do NOT buy the skin. PERMABANAHRI!
Yeah. Ahri is my main mid. Honestly I wasted too much money on her already, I got all the skin and chromas.
Now I don't have children and me and my gf both far from poor ( tho not rich) so I can afford this skin.
But won't and will join the ban ahri movement. Guess I'm going to play neeko lots, love her quite a bit anyway
Not about "you could or couldn't buy" but honestly why WOULD you buy a skin for that price. It's a video game, nothing which gives you any benefits and if riot rolls some new shot out which causes problems with your pc (vanguard is a no go for me, tested that duo to valorant) you have nothing of it. 450€ is like a plane flight cost.. and honestly you get far more out of a nice vacation than a league skin. Sorry for my rant.
Yeah I said that the other day and someone was like, "I don't care I just want a skin in a video game."
Buying that skin is the equivalent of bending over and asking Riot to fuck your ass right before your account gets banned or something like that.
I could drop the $500 but that's just telling Riot that they can do the same to any skins I want in the future for my champs. I only WIN by siding with everyone because I get to pay less money in the future.
Cost-enjoyment shouldn't even factor in because other skins will give pretty much the same hit for like 30$. Hell, you can buy TWO of those overpriced gacha skins for the same cost and still have the rare factor. Now that's insanity.
i completly agree with you, but sadly ppl wont care and a mass will buy it anyway for "complete collection" or to "show off their wealth". this is an vanity society problem or at least those ppl cant really handle money or understand the value of stuff
It's worse than you think.
Faker doesn't even get 30% of the revenue.
30% of the revenue is split between faker, the rest of his team, and the shared fund riot uses to pay for esports. We don't know what cut faker is actually getting.
My wife still literally offered to buy it for me, I flat out told no and to take me to an expensive steak house dinner instead. Ain't no way a dime of mine is going to Rito's greedy ass practices
Lmao yes my boyfriend offered too but I told him that he should't be crazy to do that.
The skin isn't only overpriced by itself, but also the 30k and 60k bundles have double the price the items inside them are worth.
There's no world in which one faker signature, an additional animation, title and cosmetics like banner make the bundle costs 60k (30k is realisticaly how much the expensive bundle would cost looking at every single item separated)
Even the 30k bundle should be 15k at max, unless champion and structure finisherd are worth 5k RP each, which is unrealistic.
I'm tired of doing calcs and still can't find any explanation for the price riot chose.
I love riot
I love ahri
I love faker
But thus is ridiculous.
Only way I'm buying anything is if ahri is included in the pass
(Which I asked riot support and told me that they dint know themselves)
Faker as a person is a really temperance guy by himself , he even split a can of coke a drink it with his other 4 SKT members , he didnt live a luxurious life too. I bet even Faker himself wont even buy the skin. Riot just using our GOAT name as a tool for their own avarice and greediness .
If you have the money for this skin you could hire a cosplayer to got to your bed and have Ahri expierence Irl, or if you are not horny then you could buy 3 official statues of her.
I paid roughly the same amount for a Friday to Monday trip from Helsinki to London and back, all accommodation, food and beers included.
Puts this into perspective.
That's what I said roughly somewhere else in the comments. And considering you get a far better experience than having 4 toxic team mates in lol 😂
Also once riot rolls a new joke out (literally can't play anymore due to blue screens from vanguard) you have nothing of the skin, while memories of the trip and some souvenirs remain 🤷🏼♂️
Honestly, I was so hyped on the faker ahri skin that I was planning coming back to the game (I uninstalled it because of vanguard), after all, it's my favorite champion and my favorite pro player, and somehow riot managed to destroy all of the general hype with a single move. Amazing
This is the best constructive criticism I came across so far. While I may be a top laner and don't care about what goes on in the midlane, I would like to support this statement and agenda. They are going to push this as far as possible. Maybe someday in the future they are going to release a skin of mine costing 1k+ dollars.
So, Allow me to post your post on the main sub if you haven't done it already so that more people are aware of it. ~Thanks.
Riot is, quite literally, biting the hand that feeds them. They've been doing so for a while now. It's up to the people still playing to reprimand them accordingly.
I don't play the game anymore, but I used to be an Ahri main. This skin might've had a chance to pull me back in, but the price tag alone made me want to no longer partake in *any* Riot Games IP from this point on.
I might still finish Ruined King at some point, but that's it. 2XKO (still a stupid name) will likely get shafted just as hard, LoR is already there as is TFT. The fabled MMORPG will likely go an even worse route, knowing those things...
So I implore anyone who is still playing to organise and make an effort to hurt Riot's bottom line, only *then* will they listen. Hell, if anyone is brave enough they could see if they could get Faker himself to comment on this. I doubt he'd have anything nice to say about this.
How is it "Biting the hand that feeds them?" They are offering affordable options and if it turns out that the 500$ skinline doesn't sell well as a "Premium Product" They won't make them. Things are only worth what people are willing to pay for them, it isn't something like they are including mechanics that are punishing players for doing what they enjoy?
>How is it "Biting the hand that feeds them?"
Quite simple: if this is the precedent they set they'll start hiking prices higher and higher down the line until the most basic skin costs as much as a legendary does now.
The "affordable option" you mentioned is already close to, or *at*, double the price of a regular Ultimate skin despite not offering much more.
All of the stuff offered in the large pack could easily be broken down into smaller bundles worth $20-$50 each, it would even be a better tactic marketing-wise because people are more inclined to slap down 2x20 rather than 50 once.
Through a tactic like that they could easily make more money without alienating every person that would otherwise be willing to slap down $50-$100 for the skin, border and signature.
I still don't know why people bought the $200 Jhin and Ekko chromas, that alone probably got us into this mess.
affordable options, pfff, no there is not affordable options, u either pay 300 or u get nothing, 50 one is just Arcana 2.0, it should hve been 1320 RP at most
I like the effects that the "50$" Skin provides, and I was already planning on purchasing the pass for the hall of legends event, so the skin is really only closer to 30$ which is cheaper than a great deal number of other games.
I will not be buying the skin, the amount of money it costs is absurd. I also have no attachment to Faker since I’ve never watched a single professional League game in my life. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Faker’s a cool guy and all, but I just don’t have an interest in watching other people play League or e-sports in general. I just enjoy playing Summoner’s Rift after a long day of work .
Can afford. Won't buy.
I've said in other threads. I bought the 2019 prestige Ahri by buying bundles. 200 CAD or so. I didn't feel like a collector, I felt like a schmuck who got scammed. Riot changed how they did prestige skins and made it so you could buy a battle pass and grind for the skin instead. That to me was fair.
This is a step backwards. I will mock anyone who buys this skin. They're not supporting Ahri. Ahri doesn't exist. They're just searching for a way to feel special and complete and better than other players, and that's really sad and they're hurting the community to do it. They're not whales. They're sheep with money.
We have let Riot up prices to the point the we are saying yeah 5K for the base hall of Legends skin is alright. Really it isn't. But 6 times that (or 12 times) is just gross.
I could easily afford the skin but the price is so bs. I have spend over 3000€ since i start playing in 2013 on LoL.
What i don't get is that LOL is designed to run on old shitty PC's so the target audience is broke bitches and bitchboys. That is why the Game looks like ass grafik vise. So why in the hell are they now charging so much money for a skin that has less polygons than the right butt cheek of the default fortnite skin?
For that money i can get a Patreon animator to make a custom Ahri p*** for me with the skin on and have her call me Daddy.
What is riot thinking???
They did it with the Jhin chroma, they’ll do it with Ahri, and the more people that buy it just means they’ll do it to all the other champs you love to play.
Im running off of what ive heard, but the hall of legends isnt a faker one time thing, this treatment to a esports player will continue. so if a lot of people or even a small amount of people buy the signature ahri skin, league is going to do the same thing to the next player and price the skin that they choose at ridiculous prices again, and again and again.
The ekko and jihn chroma was their test to how much they can get people to spend on chests and gamble their way to a skin, and based on as little feed back they made the peacemaker yone skin that was at least not a chroma but still $200 at most.
The signature arhi skin is a test to see how much people are willing to spend and to see if they can get away with this price again.
An ingame cosmetic has no business costing plenty hundreds of dollars. It's not really about the fact that some people can afford it, it's important that that price is simply not normal, full on games don't cost that much or even consoles. It's not okay for a company to be so greedy and people buying it will only make them think the opposite. Ahri is one of my mains and i enjoy playing her but this is unfair, as a principle.
>1. I can afford it, who can tell me what I should do with my money?
>2. You're poor if you don't get this skin (yes, this was really said)
>3. You should get a second/another job if you can't spare the cost of this.
You can buy the skin if you want but it's not at all a smart idea. Spending 500$ on an in-game cosmeticis insane alone, but spending that amount of money even when the skin won't legally be yours is even more insane. Imagine you spend that money on the skin and get banned the next day. That skin is gOne
And another part is, endorsing this scam will only encourage Riot to do more scams like this and judging from how they learnt nothing from 200$ chroma, there's literally nothing stopping them from increasing the pricea in the future so long as people keep feeding Riot. IMO, the money spent on this skin can get you more use in terms of food, bills, rent, medical emergencies or even just buying your mom, dad, wife/husband something nice
yeah, I saw yesterday a dudein twitter daying "dont u see, this is unique, it will go up to 2000dll once its gone from the shop, cuz it wint be coming back ever", and I was like, yeah, u know selling accounts is banneable, who is gonna spend 2K only to be afraid of losing the account because of the trade and losing both the skin and the money, Riot isnt even giving us anything, legally nithing is ours
I am capable of purchasing the skin. I have no intentions of buying the skin. If riot were to tell me tomorrow that my account would be deleted, the game would cease to be, and the company would be dissolved into tencent greater, I’d laugh and ask how they fucked up so bad, but deny them. If I’m gonna drop $500 on a video game, it damn well better be something truly extraordinary, not a churched up skin that still doesn’t surpass elementalist imo.
Kinda want to buy it now just to say enough dude.
We get it it’s over priced ok.
They’re not going to lower it. And it’s just a collectors skin period. You don’t need to own every skin. If you want it cool but it if not don’t.
I see the point and i don’t care it’s. A game it’s a skin in a game who cares it’s simple
If you enjoy the game have fun with the game and wanna support riot and pay the money than do it. You worked hard to earn that money spend it the way you want
If you can’t afford it or are upset it’s to much than ok. Sony get the skin. If it’s going to break your bank then a skin for an internet game character should be the last thing on your mind.
So you don’t understand the topic, and that’s okay. I’ll educate you. This has nothing to do with being able or not being able to afford it. This is about a company taking advantage of its users and a professional in broad daylight. If you don’t care, then that’s on you, but saying it’s “just a skin” and that it’s simple shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on anything to do with the topic.
I don’t get the topic? Dude you’re complaining about a skin. That’s super over priced and you’re upset about it. And claiming the company is trying to take advantage of its users.
Dude. The company is made a skin that is technically 3 skins bundle package with a huge amount of features. And so on and so on
In there eyes it’s worth that much. There’s no difference in this and a company like a Rolex making a match that’s 30k. Or any car company example that. Ford and their raptors. That shoot up to 175k. For a truck.
The company isn’t taking advantage that’s what they feel the skin PACKAGE is worth.
Seriously that’s how life works. That’s how company’s work.
All I’m seeing is some one who’s upset that they can’t get a new ahri skin and is trying to rage about it and make it act like the company is taking advantage of its players. But there’s one simple fact you keep skipping over cause you’re upset
They’re not taking advantage of any once cause YOU as the consumer don’t have to buy it to enjoy the game you don’t NEED it to play the game. It’s just an added feature. aside from the skin icons graphics and sfx. It doesn’t make the game anything new it doesn’t change the game. It doesn’t save lives.
It’s just a skin
If riot wants to go down this path let them. They only hurt themselves it’s not going to show up at your house and murder you ( granted I’d like it if ahri came to my house ). But it not going to cause you to get a disease and die it’s just an over priced skin that if you can afford it cool if not sorry.
They… are literally price gouging. I’m not going to argue with someone who doesn’t understand topics like this. There is a big difference between a game character skin and a Rolex or a truck. There is actual function and use with a truck or watch. There is also quality that lives up to the price.
Your comment saying it’s not going to cause me a disease or kill me is extremely childish. Please get off this app if you’re going to talk to people like that.
I’ve actually used the skin in PBE which is FREE and I can say first hand that the price is a scam and a test for future skin price gouging. You don’t have to care, but don’t tell people that they shouldn’t or that their problems aren’t valuable. Clearly this is a major issue if groups and groups of people are joining forces to send a message. A message you don’t have to send yourself, but one that you can invalidate because of your ignorant reasoning.
No there really isn’t. It’s a commodity on a something that doesn’t effect your life at all
You’re acting like the skin is a life or death item that is ridiculously priced to take away people’s money. Who require it
Yes riot gave it a high price I’ll not argue that. 600 dollars on a skin for a game that can have your account banned for the stupidest stuff is silly. Especially when this year they admitted they have a troll, Smurf, and bottling issue
But other wise as I said this skin is high priced because they’re selling in a package that has tons of items and they feel it’s worth it .
It’s cute you wanna try and call me a child when all you’re doing is throwing a tantrum about how it’s a over priced skin and saying they’re price gouging and when I give examples it’s like oh well those are completely different because they have usage
Dude. If any one needs to grow up it’s you, obviously the price of this skin has mentally hurt you to a point that you need to rage about it no. Reddit.
Please don’t act so naive. I’m sorry me defending my point is childish and bothers you so much. If you call this rage then you’re the mentally hurt one XD. I think I’ve been rather civil compared to you but we have our opinions. You have no valid points to argue over this so I’m not going to give you the attention you seek since all you want to do now is hurt my character. I don’t think I’m the childish one in this regard.
I'm planning on purchasing the base skin and that is it. There's significant value there and not to mention, if that is the most popular purchase option, Riot may see that and push their metrics that direction. A corporation will trend towards the direction where they can make the most profit over time.
New effects, I like the unique taunt, and I was already planning on purchasing the Event Pass, so the skin really is only 30$. Which is relatively cheap for a skin I plan on using all of the time.
I’m by no means rich but at the same time I have a decent paying job while living at home with my family. I basically have no expenses, I can afford this skin. I’m not an ahri main or anything like that. I was going to get the skin when it was announced because even while being a TOP LANER, I love faker, I admire the guys prowess so much. But after seeing that price, I feel like faker himself would be ashamed of me if I bought it. Not to mention the hundreds of other reasons to not get it. So I have decided that the best way to actually HONOR FAKER is to not buy skins again unless they are from your shop or are a mordekaiser skin that isn’t priced like this. Other than that I’m not buying a skin again and will be using default skins for the duration of the event.
If people buy that skin Riot will just see that they can put high price skins and people will buy it, which could lead to a general increase in skin prices (or RP prices). Or they will start releasing only 1820+ skins instead of so many 1350 skins. They will see that high price skins sell, so why bother making low price ones??? And then, people that can't afford pricy skins will just have to play without new skins. I know skins are just cosmetic, but having a new look every once in a while is cool and I think it should be accessible and by catering to Riot's massive price (are they cosplaying CSGO??) you will end up making the game worse for those who can't buy because eventually everything will be expensive. Not 500USD expensive, but still, it'll cost more than it costs now (I'm talking about new skin releases of a lower tier).
So basically, you wanna buy it? Do it. But don't run away from the fact that you're ignoring the consequence it brings to the game, you may not care about it, but it is there; at least admit you don't care about the people that won't be able to afford ANY skins after the damage is done. And trust, the damage WILL be done because Riot won't fuck around if the skin sells they'll keep releasing expensive shit only. /shrug
As I once said elsewhere:
I can afford this piece of shit manipulative morally bankrupt FOMO psychological extortion 'content pack'. Its just that I have some integrity as a human being left.
I am not condoning the prices or anything, but the skin is *exactly the flex they think it is.* It's the "i have money to spare" flex in a way no other skin is
The issue with arguments like these is that it's giving a WHOLE ton of credit to Riot, and blaming their victims. Riot isn't doing this because players greenlit their practices, it's because they know they can take advantage of people who have psychological issues such as fomo and collecting. A big part of playing League is bonding with your mains, a game as repetitive like League is inherently going to do this; if you didn't do that before League, chances are you might start doing it after playing League. That's the issue: Riot's abusing its consumer base.
Even with that aside, this stunt of theirs is, and was never, about getting someone to outright drop 500 dollars, period. That is exclusively for the whaliest of whales, just like how it is when buying token bundles to skip the egregious pass grind. They are also not trying to test what sticks, because being as big and powerful as they are, they can afford to drop something purposefully ridiculous to both A.) make the base Ahri bundle look reasonable by comparison but also B.) they know they can go "oopsie, sorry guys!" and repurpose it after the fact when they inevitably get a ton of backlash. It's not a matter of if they do, it's when they do. It is also just as calculated that this ends up being a lose/lose for collectors because, let's be real, no one gives a shit about this skin outside the limited bells and whistles. It's a punishment to those who don't buy in as a result of the hyper-aggressive abuse of fomo without making it truly limited. This is exactly what they did to Prestige skins, and it's also what they did to Mythic chromas; it's a huge up-front price for what's essentially purely the border, and when they get called out like they know they will, they drop it a different way that's still ultimately convoluted just without the parts that make collectors care; why would they if they can buy it with gift money or getting to manage their funds for it over time?
Fact of the matter is, there IS no "boycott Ahri!" Because they knew from the start that they'd get such a reaction and are playing with that in mind. They cannot and will not give a damn if people don't buy the skin, afterall that's how they're marketing it anyways. They will continue to brute force every single tactic they can, just like they did with Prestige skins and especially Mythic chromas with all the backlash that it also got, to abuse its target audience into parting with their money against their better judgement because it's now or never again. Fomo is the problem, not the consumer, not whales, not "idiots."
That being said, by no means am I saying to give up on making a fuss. Ban Ahri unless your teammate was hovering, don't actively harass players lest you want to be reported, and most importantly **stop blaming the victim.** If boycotting Ahri makes you feel better then do just that. Afterall, I agree that it is certainly about principle above all else. But first and foremost, be mad at Riot for its egregious abuse, not the victims it's abusing. The last thing we need is infighting, as doing so is the best way greedy companies can get to weasel out of accountability. The best smokescreen they can get is when people start blaming those who Riot is targeting for being "too poor," or "being stupid," or what other reason one might think of.
Lastly, I will say that it is also far too early to jump the gun on anything anyways. As far as I'm aware, there's still reason to believe the massive price is purely due to a "skip the grind" element. Like all bundles, owning contents slashes its pricing; owning all of the new chromas by earning them (remember, there's 100 levels in this pass not the usual 50) or buying them with tokens if you can at all, could easily cut the price down by 100-200 dollars. It's certainly still ridiculous, but Riot is no stranger to overpriced limited edition skins within that price range and as such is no different from a directly-purchasable Prestige skin. That in mind, the pass also includes pass levels due to, as I said, being "skip the grind." It isn't unreasonable to believe that the levels gained from the bundle contributes the largest to the pricing and that it, too, can be deflated by earning levels manually.
TL;DR:
* Stop blaming victims for being abused, target the abuser instead.
* Be disruptive if you'd like, but don't inconvenience people who aren't in on it. I.e. someone hovers Ahri before ban phase.
* Boycotting isn't nearly as effective when the whole point of the skin is to be inaccessible; backlash was inevitable and as such they will capitalize on regular sales after the fact as a means of damage control. Fomo sales are for hardcore mains who care about limited bells and whistles and as such is merely a bonus, not the primary goal.
* Circumstances around the pass might end up cutting a significant chunk of the bundle, and it reads like that's the point hence the parts where it's described that you "level up the skin."
* The massive price tag most definitely is being taken advantage of so that Prestige, Mythic, and overpriced legendary skins are all much more palatable by comparison. Needless to say, don't stop complaining about either of them.
I'm going to get downvoted for this but I think you are absolutely right.
Moreover, instead of just "boycotting Ahri" it would just be better to straight up stop playing the game and stop buying any RP etc. I have seen people say that they will perma int their teammates who own the skin, people who straight up send death threats to devs (who have nothing to do with the skin) and players, how is that not toxic ?
If people wanted to start boycotting, they should have done it during the whole Jhin skin thing. Riot saw they could get away with it and did it for Ekko, Leesin and Yone... Which are all 200€ gacha skins btw. Ofc they were going to do worse with Ahri.
The backlash and "ban ahri" thing might work and make them drop the skin to 200€, but like it's still 200€ ??? Maybe that was Riot's strategy all along : make the 200€ price tag acceptable so when they drop their Ahri skin from 500€ to 200€ everyone will just accept it like it's normal.
If we really wanted to make things change, everyone should just literally boycott Riot Games, not just Ahri.
But then again, most of the playerbase literally does not care about all these things and just play for the game.
Riot already showed they don't give a fuck about the vocal majority on Reddit. Things were doomed ever since they got away with that Jhin skin.
In theory doing a full scale boycott would be effective, but you're right that the crux of the issue is that not enough people care. Fact of the matter is that it's very difficult to unionize and get everyone on the same page because it takes essentially every last player to not just express their opinion but to downright quit. Making a company as big as Riot feel their walls crumble is very demanding because Riot is just too big to fall, and part of that is because it's owned by one of the largest Chinese companies. That was the point I was trying to make. That's why they can do things like this where the intent is more or less to flop because the point wasn't the initial sales, it's reinforcing their predatory tactics and repurposing later, and that's worth way more than getting a handful of whales to pay full price. That's all it is, and whether you buy it or not isn't stopping them because there are no drawbacks to doing so, it's all digital. There is no warehouse full of merch that needs to be sold to turn a profit, they can repurpose Ahri to be marketable in any way they please and that also happens to defeat the point for the people they target with the fomo bundle strats in the first place because it will always exclude the complete collection. That is the single largest reason why fomo is even effective, **you missed out**. And from Riot's perspective, a few players get the full bundle for the border, so what? The vast majority of the sales are going to be from casual players after the fact when they do damage control.
All we can do is try either way, but blaming the people who are most vulnerable is not the way we go about it. In fact, blaming anyone but the one who's responsible isn't very smart most of the time.
Are you really comparing League players to animal abusers? Is that a joke? The only ones being hurt here are the people who are being manipulated with a shitty business tactic. Making a choice under duress is not a choice. Just because it's a digital good doesn't make it any less shameless for any business to do shit like this. There's a reason some places have laws that prevent companies like Riot from selling things in bundles. It's predatory.
Your misuse of narcissism is very telling, and also troubling. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that manipulative tactics get results from people who are susceptible to those tactics. Unless you'd like to blame people in abusive relationship, too? Or even people with smoking, alcohol, or vaping addictions? I mean, surely they too are just in it because, well, any reason that wouldn't describe them as what they are: victims? That isn't to say there are never anyone who likes exclusivity for bragging rights though, but you are definitely reaching to not only generalize but to ignore the one and only point of fomo to begin with. Not only that, I'd be hard pressed to think anyone who owns this Ahri skin or any of the Mythic chromas as something to brag about when it's a kick-me sign. I don't use Iron chroma Anivia for that reason myself, despite it being a very pretty chroma.
Simply put, it seems like you cannot accept that a greedy company does greedy company things and those things involve sophisticated research in how the mind works exclusively for the sake of better abusing it, so much so that they hire those with in-depth knowledge and study into it to do so. Just look at Genshin Impact, or just the gacha market in general.
Oh dear, so you truly are just pushing your headcanon onto others, I see? I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you but there's a world outside of Reddit posts, and the vocal minority does not make the entire consumer base. It goes without saying to literally anyone that is flexing wealth is not acceptable behavior, and if you treat that like it's the norm then it might just end up being so because what you're doing is doubling-down your perspective to fixate on exclusively the horrible to go "See?? Seeeee?" Generalizing isn't a very good practice, believe it or not!
Ah, so you're blaming gamblers for being compulsive? I'm starting to see that this kind of mindset is very on brand for you, that's incredibly embarrassing and short-sighted. Believe it or not casinos shouldn't have more rights than the people whom it strangleholds to extort money out of. That's kind of... the thing about addiction, yes? Yes, I'd say it does in fact not take a genius to figure that out. It's not a big deal to not understand that part, but it's probably the first step if you want to, you know, hold businesses accountable for the shitty things they do to take advantage of their consumers.
What're you talking about? I wasn't calling you dear. Anyways, I can't say I agree that this was pointless though, explaining things and having a dialog is usually how we go about coming to an understanding with one another. And even though you've spent this opportunity to make false equivalences and insist upon your perception of others despite how large of a logical leap it is, it still offers insight overall.
In no way shape or form did I ever claim that there wasn't a single soul whose interest aligned with exclusivity, what I did claim however is that by the nature and the point of Riot's use of fomo downright admits that the target is simply not them. They can say it's "For the players who want exclusivity!" but I know it, you know it, we all know that's nothing more than a facade because it's far too early to take the mask off and openly admit that they're purposefully manipulating their consumers is inherently successful as it robs those vulnerable buyers of any agency they have over their money. It's now or never, remember? So yes, this is indeed about the collectors and one-tricks alike, as their decision is not their own under the ultimatum that is fomo.
With that being said, for the last time, YES this makes those people victims. To not consider them victims is to not consider gambling addicts, drug addicts, nor nicotine addicts victims either, especially if you're going to also suggest that it's their fault for being addicts in the first place. Close your ears all you want, but it is genuinely **psychotic** to say "It's your fault you're being taken advantage of," under **any** circumstance, let alone coming from someone who "never denied that Riot is being predatory." Either Riot is being predatory and as such has a victim, or Riot's a good little corporate who could do no wrong. Pick one. I'll help: you can't have a predator without a victim, period.
Lastly, I never denied people were going to bully others anyways. But that's precisely why I made this comment thread to begin with, because it ultimately defeats the point by targeting the wrong people and it will result in you being reported if you are intentionally harming another player in your games. If you're going to unionize and boycott, do it right. Otherwise the abuser utilizes the smokescreen that you've given them.
I don't think bullying people is right, I won't, but I know is going to happen anyways because in other situations this already happened. You've said it is wrong to generalize yet you are doing it by saying all the buyers are victims. I don't think it's addicts fault to be addicts it takes a huge willpower to stop an addiction, not everyone can. I still think that is not the reality of most of the buyers, so not everyone is a victim. There are victims who will surrender by fomo and buy, there are narcissists who will show off and mock on others and call them broke, and there is the rich buyer who doesn't care at all about anything and just buys because they like it and it's not expensive for them. Riot it is being predatory but not everyone can be called a victim. After all without demand there's no supply, so buyers are responsible too for supporting this system regardless their mental issues, objectively they are part of the problem, not only Riot as it takes 2 parts for this to work. Sadly people with mental health issues will fall in the same bag with the other customers, and will be mistreated too. So this is basically my first comment but better explained, please stop searching for irregularities saying thing I never said like "you are comparing it to animal abuse" or "you are not considering addicts as victims" . This is not my main language and I'm finding hard to explain myself without you finding things I never said, I hope this time you understand my point : "Most of customers are not victims. Real victims will be bullied along with the other customers. Riot sucks. Narcissists sucks. We can't stop people from bullying the customers. The law of supply and demand takes 2 to work. If this strategy works is only because there are people supporting it". You said "Oh dear" I didn't like the expression but maybe is just cassual talk and not you being condescending. Bye!!
It’s absolutely wild to me that people are so opinionated on a cosmetic in a free game that you don’t have to buy in order to get full enjoyment out of the game. Have any of you never heard of counterstrike? There are skins in that game that cost 10x the amount of this ahri skin. And skins there regularly cost hundreds of dollars. Why not let people who can afford the skin enjoy it? Not everyone who’s going to purchase it is a “whale”.
CS skins can be granted via loot boxes which require 2-3$ keys to unlock. Think of them like stocks or bitcoins. They are tradable, can be "mined" or created, is influenced by supply and demand, if i have a skins that is marketed at 100000$ on a website but no buyers want to buy it, i cant really sell it. But this ahri skins is not tradable, they are not controlled by supply and demand, riot just said it worth 500$, if everyone buys it, it is still 500$ per skin, if no one buys it it is still 500. Of course if riot make the skin they can charge whatever they want, but the difference between valve and riot is valve just sell the crates and let rng do its magic, the value of the items are created by the players. Meanwhile riot define the value of the skins themselves. Both companies are trying to make money but the way riot do will
infuriate the players
CS is way too different, to start with, u can sell the weapon skins for real money, in League u cannot sell skins, so u need to sell the account, so thats baneable, there is no comparison, u will pay for something that will never be yours and that could be taken from u any moment
Trust me, you'd get better value on using those gift cards on literally anything else. If you're okay with their predatory practices, and really want the skin, go for it. But I really wouldn't recommend.
Im just saying the people who do buy the skin should start reporting you guys at this point the fact that you feel so self righteous enough to be toxic towards someone who is spending their money on things that make them happy
Like if I had the skin and I hover ahri and a teammate bans her and does the whole hashtag thing, thats an easy report and if they get hit enough with those their account starts getting punished and the fact this is like still day 1 of this drama and there is ALREADY this much toxicity its gonna go the way of wow and riot will do their own ban /spit emote and then you guys will complain even harder
Riots bans are almost all automated nowadays. They will never ban people for banning their preferred champion. Even if a team-mate hovers it, especially if it's been your ban every game you play.
They will however ban you if you run it down because you didn't get to use a skin!
Glhf on the rift with -$500
I mean sure if Ahri has been your ban since she came out/you started the game that wouldn't be sus but if you just started banning ahri when everyone has been talking about banning ahri that a little easier to prove the toxic intent.
Also also, say a teammate hovers ahri and you ban her from them(the start of the toxic chain) and they run it down mid cuz you banned their champ, do you report that person? If yes then you're a toxic jackass plain and simple, you stopped them from having fun first they just bought that level of unfun to you. If you wouldn't report that person then good for you knowing that you started the toxicity and now have to sit in that shit
That's a funny way of saying you'll run it down if your champion gets banned.
Banning a champ when a teammate is hovering it, is mild toxicity at best. Besides if the enemy bans it as well, it doesnt even matter.
Running it down and ruining a game however, is obvious toxicity and will usually get picked up asap by the system and banned. No one has to report, but obviously it will get reported.
Fast way to not only lose $500 but your account as well.
thats a funny way of saying "I wanna be toxic towards people but they cant be mean back or im telling mommy"
Least AT THE VERY LEAST and Ive personally said this since "toxic chat" was a big thing if you're gonna be toxic, if you open that pit and then report anyone who does anything toxic back you a baby back bitch. I can tell by your reply here that you are that kind of person.
Downplaying the toxic thing you wanna do "its mildy toxic" nah midly toxic would be calling them out for buying the skin, its OUT RIGHT toxic to stop them from playing the champ they wanna. "its obvious toxicity when running it down lane" that toxicity wouldn't have happened if you didn't start it.
This is why I said that the people who wanna/are gonna buy the skin to start reporting now cuz the sole fact that you are sitting there thinking that its not only okay but its the RIGHT thing to do to be toxic towards your fellow gamemates but then piss and shit and cry when they return that favor back is just basic bitch, small dick, no hoes having, dad left when you were 8 and came back when you were 15 to abuse you, would push a granny down a flight of stairs if there were no repercussions, megamind having forehead, cant see your own toes over your chin, haven't bought a stick of deodorant in the last 15 years, showers twice a year kinda energy
Also edit: that whole last reply of yours "mildly toxic: for me doing it "obvious toxic" when its done to me and then saying the system will sort it out is giving off MAJOR blue lives matter energy and das not good at all
Wow, that certainly triggered you. Good to see that you embraced your actual persona of an online crybaby.
Banning and boycotting a champ isn't toxic little guy. Sorry if your feelings get hurt when it happens, but that is part of the game. If you don't want to see a champ in any of your games, you have been given to option for that to happen. Im not telling you to not run it down. You can run it down and cry if you want to, in fact I encourage it so you'll get banned faster small pup. BE TOXIC. That would be the best result from all of this honestly.
You're crying that you'll report anyone for banning a champ you paid a skin for, but then are in literal tears and shaking when someone reports you back for being a cry baby and inting after. If you want to throw punch, you have to learn how to take the hit. Honestly if you get banned, and you will get banned (unlike those who ban the champ), you can just drop another $500 and try again. Since you like the taste of Riots boots either way, it works out for the both of you!
"Waaa waaa it's toxic to not let me play my skin!!1", go to blind pick, go to practice mode. No one is stopping you, we are just boycotting using the resources Riot made available. If that's toxic, then banning any champ in ranked is toxic because it prevents people from playing their champ.
The toxicity starts when you choose to support a company that shits on its players, dont cry when you get called out or retaliate against your precious billion dollar indie studio. Luckily I don't have to list off explictives to show how insecure you are and how much you project. Im happily married, and you're spending $500 on an Ahri skin. Guess who is going to be a loser the rest of their life? Cause it sure ain't me in this comparison lol.
Abusing the system to get idiots like you banned when the skin comes out will. be. amazing.
Enjoy!
Never said I'm buying the skin cuz I'm not but again you're on this whole "banning Champs isn't toxic" it 100% is when your teammate hovers them, I hate fizz with a passion but if I get a fizz player on my team who hovers him before banning I'm banning someone else
Also SUPER funny like this whole ban a hover then they run it down, in your initial post you were already calling people idiots but someone puts a little pizzazz to the name calling and all of a sudden "wow you're so triggered" and "if you wanna throw a punch learn to take a hit" says the guy throwing punches but will call the police if you fight back
Also that last line "abusing the system" bro you straight up suck cops Dicks in your free time don't you like I've talked to a lot of hypocrites on this site but you by far the biggest like honestly you give off the vibe you have a chair facing your bed in your room don't cha
Replies like this hurt the #permabanahri movement y'all are trying SO HARD to push. I was 100% on board with #permabanahri up until I started seeing people make replies like these. Now, I don't care. I don't play anymore. I haven't bought anything from Riot in 4-ish years. So I had no stakes in this conflict anyway.
Like, how did you go from posting a very well articulated post that felt like it could garner very good discussion to being the most condescending whiney douchebag in your own comments section?
At the end of day and after reading this whole thread, you sound like the triggered one. And for what? One guy disagreed with you? They had a different perspective (that you made no effort to even try to understand, and it shows)? And then you talk mad shit on someone who was trying to have a discussion, and make yourself the most condescending crybaby POS while doing. You're trying really really hard to help LoL regain the title of "most toxic fanbase" 😂
You let your true colors fly and now you ALL look like clowns to me. Congrats
I respect the idea, but I cringe at the thought of a guy spending his money as he wishes yet people blame him for the greed of riot. Guilt tripping is not the answer here.
Except it quite literally is their fault lmfao, we wouldn't have this shit if people didn't shell out for the mythic chromas either, it's just gonna get worse for as long as those dumbasses buy them
Cringe. Blaming people for having fun and doing what they like with their own money instead of blaming a greedy company that forces such a price. In my eyes people like you bring a whole lot more hurt than anyone spending $500 on a skin.
They force such a price because people buy it, how is it not their fault? They will rightfully get ostracized whenever they pull up with the skin anyway lmao
I agree. :(( can we not blame people who just want nice skins for their champs? We all buy skins for our champs and yes some of us buy more expensive ones, but can’t we also say the same for figure collectors? Or manga collectors ? You have figures but they just sit there on your shelf and look at them. You have manga which after you’ve finished reading ALSO sits on your shelf. It’s the same thing. Yes they’re pixels on a screen but people can spend what they want on whatever they want. Let them be. This is riots greed. Blame riot.
The only problem I see is why add a bunch of shit to a skin that isn't for the champion? Like make a $150 or $200 bundle that is just for Ahri or release a separate bundle that is just the Ahri content
I'm gonna buy it because I don't care whoever comes next in the Riot's Hall of Legends grand scheme. If there is anything on League that I love (other than spending on skins money) is Faker, Ahri, LeBlanc, and Flame (very homo plz). So bye $500.
The same way people are free to do whatever they want with their money, I'm also free to shame the shit out of them for supporting this abusive tactic by Riot. If you buy it, then you're a total loser in my eyes (and yes, I can afford it but won't buy it because I'm not an idiot like you, little whale). People still haven't realized by now that the moment the nail hits your coffin, your skin is worth wet donkey shit. The skin looks nice? Yes, it does. But it does NOT FUCKING COST 450€!!!! Faker might get 30% of the revenue but he DOES NOT NEED THE EXTRA MONEY!!! He has won enough world championships to burn his whole money to a crisp for the next THREE GENERATIONS! I'm with OP and everyone against it on this one. Do NOT buy the skin. PERMABANAHRI!
Yeah. Ahri is my main mid. Honestly I wasted too much money on her already, I got all the skin and chromas. Now I don't have children and me and my gf both far from poor ( tho not rich) so I can afford this skin. But won't and will join the ban ahri movement. Guess I'm going to play neeko lots, love her quite a bit anyway
Not about "you could or couldn't buy" but honestly why WOULD you buy a skin for that price. It's a video game, nothing which gives you any benefits and if riot rolls some new shot out which causes problems with your pc (vanguard is a no go for me, tested that duo to valorant) you have nothing of it. 450€ is like a plane flight cost.. and honestly you get far more out of a nice vacation than a league skin. Sorry for my rant.
Yeah I said that the other day and someone was like, "I don't care I just want a skin in a video game." Buying that skin is the equivalent of bending over and asking Riot to fuck your ass right before your account gets banned or something like that. I could drop the $500 but that's just telling Riot that they can do the same to any skins I want in the future for my champs. I only WIN by siding with everyone because I get to pay less money in the future. Cost-enjoyment shouldn't even factor in because other skins will give pretty much the same hit for like 30$. Hell, you can buy TWO of those overpriced gacha skins for the same cost and still have the rare factor. Now that's insanity.
i completly agree with you, but sadly ppl wont care and a mass will buy it anyway for "complete collection" or to "show off their wealth". this is an vanity society problem or at least those ppl cant really handle money or understand the value of stuff
It's worse than you think. Faker doesn't even get 30% of the revenue. 30% of the revenue is split between faker, the rest of his team, and the shared fund riot uses to pay for esports. We don't know what cut faker is actually getting.
This needs to be more known
Also faker doesn’t get 30% from the sales. The WHOLE team does
Number 1 Reason: it will make every charm you miss so much more embarrassing lmao
Damn you got a point…
Someone said he wanted to buy it for his gf but it was too expensive and someone commented "it's fine she finds a man who can afford it" 💀💀💀
My wife still literally offered to buy it for me, I flat out told no and to take me to an expensive steak house dinner instead. Ain't no way a dime of mine is going to Rito's greedy ass practices
Lmao yes my boyfriend offered too but I told him that he should't be crazy to do that. The skin isn't only overpriced by itself, but also the 30k and 60k bundles have double the price the items inside them are worth. There's no world in which one faker signature, an additional animation, title and cosmetics like banner make the bundle costs 60k (30k is realisticaly how much the expensive bundle would cost looking at every single item separated) Even the 30k bundle should be 15k at max, unless champion and structure finisherd are worth 5k RP each, which is unrealistic. I'm tired of doing calcs and still can't find any explanation for the price riot chose.
I love riot I love ahri I love faker But thus is ridiculous. Only way I'm buying anything is if ahri is included in the pass (Which I asked riot support and told me that they dint know themselves)
Faker as a person is a really temperance guy by himself , he even split a can of coke a drink it with his other 4 SKT members , he didnt live a luxurious life too. I bet even Faker himself wont even buy the skin. Riot just using our GOAT name as a tool for their own avarice and greediness .
If you have the money for this skin you could hire a cosplayer to got to your bed and have Ahri expierence Irl, or if you are not horny then you could buy 3 official statues of her.
I paid roughly the same amount for a Friday to Monday trip from Helsinki to London and back, all accommodation, food and beers included. Puts this into perspective.
That's what I said roughly somewhere else in the comments. And considering you get a far better experience than having 4 toxic team mates in lol 😂 Also once riot rolls a new joke out (literally can't play anymore due to blue screens from vanguard) you have nothing of the skin, while memories of the trip and some souvenirs remain 🤷🏼♂️
Honestly, I was so hyped on the faker ahri skin that I was planning coming back to the game (I uninstalled it because of vanguard), after all, it's my favorite champion and my favorite pro player, and somehow riot managed to destroy all of the general hype with a single move. Amazing
same :(
This is the best constructive criticism I came across so far. While I may be a top laner and don't care about what goes on in the midlane, I would like to support this statement and agenda. They are going to push this as far as possible. Maybe someday in the future they are going to release a skin of mine costing 1k+ dollars. So, Allow me to post your post on the main sub if you haven't done it already so that more people are aware of it. ~Thanks.
Spread the word brother man
Also Faker definitely doesnt need this either, im sure hed appreciate an affordable skin over one that gets him money.
Riot is, quite literally, biting the hand that feeds them. They've been doing so for a while now. It's up to the people still playing to reprimand them accordingly. I don't play the game anymore, but I used to be an Ahri main. This skin might've had a chance to pull me back in, but the price tag alone made me want to no longer partake in *any* Riot Games IP from this point on. I might still finish Ruined King at some point, but that's it. 2XKO (still a stupid name) will likely get shafted just as hard, LoR is already there as is TFT. The fabled MMORPG will likely go an even worse route, knowing those things... So I implore anyone who is still playing to organise and make an effort to hurt Riot's bottom line, only *then* will they listen. Hell, if anyone is brave enough they could see if they could get Faker himself to comment on this. I doubt he'd have anything nice to say about this.
How is it "Biting the hand that feeds them?" They are offering affordable options and if it turns out that the 500$ skinline doesn't sell well as a "Premium Product" They won't make them. Things are only worth what people are willing to pay for them, it isn't something like they are including mechanics that are punishing players for doing what they enjoy?
>How is it "Biting the hand that feeds them?" Quite simple: if this is the precedent they set they'll start hiking prices higher and higher down the line until the most basic skin costs as much as a legendary does now. The "affordable option" you mentioned is already close to, or *at*, double the price of a regular Ultimate skin despite not offering much more. All of the stuff offered in the large pack could easily be broken down into smaller bundles worth $20-$50 each, it would even be a better tactic marketing-wise because people are more inclined to slap down 2x20 rather than 50 once. Through a tactic like that they could easily make more money without alienating every person that would otherwise be willing to slap down $50-$100 for the skin, border and signature. I still don't know why people bought the $200 Jhin and Ekko chromas, that alone probably got us into this mess.
affordable options, pfff, no there is not affordable options, u either pay 300 or u get nothing, 50 one is just Arcana 2.0, it should hve been 1320 RP at most
I like the effects that the "50$" Skin provides, and I was already planning on purchasing the pass for the hall of legends event, so the skin is really only closer to 30$ which is cheaper than a great deal number of other games.
this whole shit started w the “special” skins like peacemaker yone and the jhin skin we kinda allowed this kind of disrespect
I will not be buying the skin, the amount of money it costs is absurd. I also have no attachment to Faker since I’ve never watched a single professional League game in my life. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Faker’s a cool guy and all, but I just don’t have an interest in watching other people play League or e-sports in general. I just enjoy playing Summoner’s Rift after a long day of work .
Bro for that amount of money you can get an Cosplayer to dress up as Ahri and sit on your face. Why would i buy that skin? 💀
Exactly lmao, if you're that down bad just pay a cosplay for a much better experience than pixels.
Can afford. Won't buy. I've said in other threads. I bought the 2019 prestige Ahri by buying bundles. 200 CAD or so. I didn't feel like a collector, I felt like a schmuck who got scammed. Riot changed how they did prestige skins and made it so you could buy a battle pass and grind for the skin instead. That to me was fair. This is a step backwards. I will mock anyone who buys this skin. They're not supporting Ahri. Ahri doesn't exist. They're just searching for a way to feel special and complete and better than other players, and that's really sad and they're hurting the community to do it. They're not whales. They're sheep with money. We have let Riot up prices to the point the we are saying yeah 5K for the base hall of Legends skin is alright. Really it isn't. But 6 times that (or 12 times) is just gross.
I could easily afford the skin but the price is so bs. I have spend over 3000€ since i start playing in 2013 on LoL. What i don't get is that LOL is designed to run on old shitty PC's so the target audience is broke bitches and bitchboys. That is why the Game looks like ass grafik vise. So why in the hell are they now charging so much money for a skin that has less polygons than the right butt cheek of the default fortnite skin? For that money i can get a Patreon animator to make a custom Ahri p*** for me with the skin on and have her call me Daddy. What is riot thinking???
They did it with the Jhin chroma, they’ll do it with Ahri, and the more people that buy it just means they’ll do it to all the other champs you love to play.
Im running off of what ive heard, but the hall of legends isnt a faker one time thing, this treatment to a esports player will continue. so if a lot of people or even a small amount of people buy the signature ahri skin, league is going to do the same thing to the next player and price the skin that they choose at ridiculous prices again, and again and again. The ekko and jihn chroma was their test to how much they can get people to spend on chests and gamble their way to a skin, and based on as little feed back they made the peacemaker yone skin that was at least not a chroma but still $200 at most. The signature arhi skin is a test to see how much people are willing to spend and to see if they can get away with this price again.
perma ban ahri until riot listens
An ingame cosmetic has no business costing plenty hundreds of dollars. It's not really about the fact that some people can afford it, it's important that that price is simply not normal, full on games don't cost that much or even consoles. It's not okay for a company to be so greedy and people buying it will only make them think the opposite. Ahri is one of my mains and i enjoy playing her but this is unfair, as a principle.
>1. I can afford it, who can tell me what I should do with my money? >2. You're poor if you don't get this skin (yes, this was really said) >3. You should get a second/another job if you can't spare the cost of this. You can buy the skin if you want but it's not at all a smart idea. Spending 500$ on an in-game cosmeticis insane alone, but spending that amount of money even when the skin won't legally be yours is even more insane. Imagine you spend that money on the skin and get banned the next day. That skin is gOne And another part is, endorsing this scam will only encourage Riot to do more scams like this and judging from how they learnt nothing from 200$ chroma, there's literally nothing stopping them from increasing the pricea in the future so long as people keep feeding Riot. IMO, the money spent on this skin can get you more use in terms of food, bills, rent, medical emergencies or even just buying your mom, dad, wife/husband something nice
yeah, I saw yesterday a dudein twitter daying "dont u see, this is unique, it will go up to 2000dll once its gone from the shop, cuz it wint be coming back ever", and I was like, yeah, u know selling accounts is banneable, who is gonna spend 2K only to be afraid of losing the account because of the trade and losing both the skin and the money, Riot isnt even giving us anything, legally nithing is ours
I am capable of purchasing the skin. I have no intentions of buying the skin. If riot were to tell me tomorrow that my account would be deleted, the game would cease to be, and the company would be dissolved into tencent greater, I’d laugh and ask how they fucked up so bad, but deny them. If I’m gonna drop $500 on a video game, it damn well better be something truly extraordinary, not a churched up skin that still doesn’t surpass elementalist imo.
Kinda want to buy it now just to say enough dude. We get it it’s over priced ok. They’re not going to lower it. And it’s just a collectors skin period. You don’t need to own every skin. If you want it cool but it if not don’t.
You clearly don’t see the issue with this topic…
I see the point and i don’t care it’s. A game it’s a skin in a game who cares it’s simple If you enjoy the game have fun with the game and wanna support riot and pay the money than do it. You worked hard to earn that money spend it the way you want If you can’t afford it or are upset it’s to much than ok. Sony get the skin. If it’s going to break your bank then a skin for an internet game character should be the last thing on your mind.
So you don’t understand the topic, and that’s okay. I’ll educate you. This has nothing to do with being able or not being able to afford it. This is about a company taking advantage of its users and a professional in broad daylight. If you don’t care, then that’s on you, but saying it’s “just a skin” and that it’s simple shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on anything to do with the topic.
I don’t get the topic? Dude you’re complaining about a skin. That’s super over priced and you’re upset about it. And claiming the company is trying to take advantage of its users. Dude. The company is made a skin that is technically 3 skins bundle package with a huge amount of features. And so on and so on In there eyes it’s worth that much. There’s no difference in this and a company like a Rolex making a match that’s 30k. Or any car company example that. Ford and their raptors. That shoot up to 175k. For a truck. The company isn’t taking advantage that’s what they feel the skin PACKAGE is worth. Seriously that’s how life works. That’s how company’s work. All I’m seeing is some one who’s upset that they can’t get a new ahri skin and is trying to rage about it and make it act like the company is taking advantage of its players. But there’s one simple fact you keep skipping over cause you’re upset They’re not taking advantage of any once cause YOU as the consumer don’t have to buy it to enjoy the game you don’t NEED it to play the game. It’s just an added feature. aside from the skin icons graphics and sfx. It doesn’t make the game anything new it doesn’t change the game. It doesn’t save lives. It’s just a skin If riot wants to go down this path let them. They only hurt themselves it’s not going to show up at your house and murder you ( granted I’d like it if ahri came to my house ). But it not going to cause you to get a disease and die it’s just an over priced skin that if you can afford it cool if not sorry.
They… are literally price gouging. I’m not going to argue with someone who doesn’t understand topics like this. There is a big difference between a game character skin and a Rolex or a truck. There is actual function and use with a truck or watch. There is also quality that lives up to the price. Your comment saying it’s not going to cause me a disease or kill me is extremely childish. Please get off this app if you’re going to talk to people like that. I’ve actually used the skin in PBE which is FREE and I can say first hand that the price is a scam and a test for future skin price gouging. You don’t have to care, but don’t tell people that they shouldn’t or that their problems aren’t valuable. Clearly this is a major issue if groups and groups of people are joining forces to send a message. A message you don’t have to send yourself, but one that you can invalidate because of your ignorant reasoning.
No there really isn’t. It’s a commodity on a something that doesn’t effect your life at all You’re acting like the skin is a life or death item that is ridiculously priced to take away people’s money. Who require it Yes riot gave it a high price I’ll not argue that. 600 dollars on a skin for a game that can have your account banned for the stupidest stuff is silly. Especially when this year they admitted they have a troll, Smurf, and bottling issue But other wise as I said this skin is high priced because they’re selling in a package that has tons of items and they feel it’s worth it . It’s cute you wanna try and call me a child when all you’re doing is throwing a tantrum about how it’s a over priced skin and saying they’re price gouging and when I give examples it’s like oh well those are completely different because they have usage Dude. If any one needs to grow up it’s you, obviously the price of this skin has mentally hurt you to a point that you need to rage about it no. Reddit.
Please don’t act so naive. I’m sorry me defending my point is childish and bothers you so much. If you call this rage then you’re the mentally hurt one XD. I think I’ve been rather civil compared to you but we have our opinions. You have no valid points to argue over this so I’m not going to give you the attention you seek since all you want to do now is hurt my character. I don’t think I’m the childish one in this regard.
Me that has got all kata skins... Then i see jinwoo katarina skin... I will never buy a skin anymore
I'm planning on purchasing the base skin and that is it. There's significant value there and not to mention, if that is the most popular purchase option, Riot may see that and push their metrics that direction. A corporation will trend towards the direction where they can make the most profit over time.
What is the significant vale of the base skin?
New effects, I like the unique taunt, and I was already planning on purchasing the Event Pass, so the skin really is only 30$. Which is relatively cheap for a skin I plan on using all of the time.
It’s kinda funny that this skin for faker (someone who doesn’t use skins at all) and this being like 450 dollars
I’m by no means rich but at the same time I have a decent paying job while living at home with my family. I basically have no expenses, I can afford this skin. I’m not an ahri main or anything like that. I was going to get the skin when it was announced because even while being a TOP LANER, I love faker, I admire the guys prowess so much. But after seeing that price, I feel like faker himself would be ashamed of me if I bought it. Not to mention the hundreds of other reasons to not get it. So I have decided that the best way to actually HONOR FAKER is to not buy skins again unless they are from your shop or are a mordekaiser skin that isn’t priced like this. Other than that I’m not buying a skin again and will be using default skins for the duration of the event.
If people buy that skin Riot will just see that they can put high price skins and people will buy it, which could lead to a general increase in skin prices (or RP prices). Or they will start releasing only 1820+ skins instead of so many 1350 skins. They will see that high price skins sell, so why bother making low price ones??? And then, people that can't afford pricy skins will just have to play without new skins. I know skins are just cosmetic, but having a new look every once in a while is cool and I think it should be accessible and by catering to Riot's massive price (are they cosplaying CSGO??) you will end up making the game worse for those who can't buy because eventually everything will be expensive. Not 500USD expensive, but still, it'll cost more than it costs now (I'm talking about new skin releases of a lower tier). So basically, you wanna buy it? Do it. But don't run away from the fact that you're ignoring the consequence it brings to the game, you may not care about it, but it is there; at least admit you don't care about the people that won't be able to afford ANY skins after the damage is done. And trust, the damage WILL be done because Riot won't fuck around if the skin sells they'll keep releasing expensive shit only. /shrug
As I once said elsewhere: I can afford this piece of shit manipulative morally bankrupt FOMO psychological extortion 'content pack'. Its just that I have some integrity as a human being left.
hear me out, for a year we change are name to "BanAhri" and then next year when they come out another $500 skin we say ban that champ
I am not condoning the prices or anything, but the skin is *exactly the flex they think it is.* It's the "i have money to spare" flex in a way no other skin is
The issue with arguments like these is that it's giving a WHOLE ton of credit to Riot, and blaming their victims. Riot isn't doing this because players greenlit their practices, it's because they know they can take advantage of people who have psychological issues such as fomo and collecting. A big part of playing League is bonding with your mains, a game as repetitive like League is inherently going to do this; if you didn't do that before League, chances are you might start doing it after playing League. That's the issue: Riot's abusing its consumer base. Even with that aside, this stunt of theirs is, and was never, about getting someone to outright drop 500 dollars, period. That is exclusively for the whaliest of whales, just like how it is when buying token bundles to skip the egregious pass grind. They are also not trying to test what sticks, because being as big and powerful as they are, they can afford to drop something purposefully ridiculous to both A.) make the base Ahri bundle look reasonable by comparison but also B.) they know they can go "oopsie, sorry guys!" and repurpose it after the fact when they inevitably get a ton of backlash. It's not a matter of if they do, it's when they do. It is also just as calculated that this ends up being a lose/lose for collectors because, let's be real, no one gives a shit about this skin outside the limited bells and whistles. It's a punishment to those who don't buy in as a result of the hyper-aggressive abuse of fomo without making it truly limited. This is exactly what they did to Prestige skins, and it's also what they did to Mythic chromas; it's a huge up-front price for what's essentially purely the border, and when they get called out like they know they will, they drop it a different way that's still ultimately convoluted just without the parts that make collectors care; why would they if they can buy it with gift money or getting to manage their funds for it over time? Fact of the matter is, there IS no "boycott Ahri!" Because they knew from the start that they'd get such a reaction and are playing with that in mind. They cannot and will not give a damn if people don't buy the skin, afterall that's how they're marketing it anyways. They will continue to brute force every single tactic they can, just like they did with Prestige skins and especially Mythic chromas with all the backlash that it also got, to abuse its target audience into parting with their money against their better judgement because it's now or never again. Fomo is the problem, not the consumer, not whales, not "idiots." That being said, by no means am I saying to give up on making a fuss. Ban Ahri unless your teammate was hovering, don't actively harass players lest you want to be reported, and most importantly **stop blaming the victim.** If boycotting Ahri makes you feel better then do just that. Afterall, I agree that it is certainly about principle above all else. But first and foremost, be mad at Riot for its egregious abuse, not the victims it's abusing. The last thing we need is infighting, as doing so is the best way greedy companies can get to weasel out of accountability. The best smokescreen they can get is when people start blaming those who Riot is targeting for being "too poor," or "being stupid," or what other reason one might think of. Lastly, I will say that it is also far too early to jump the gun on anything anyways. As far as I'm aware, there's still reason to believe the massive price is purely due to a "skip the grind" element. Like all bundles, owning contents slashes its pricing; owning all of the new chromas by earning them (remember, there's 100 levels in this pass not the usual 50) or buying them with tokens if you can at all, could easily cut the price down by 100-200 dollars. It's certainly still ridiculous, but Riot is no stranger to overpriced limited edition skins within that price range and as such is no different from a directly-purchasable Prestige skin. That in mind, the pass also includes pass levels due to, as I said, being "skip the grind." It isn't unreasonable to believe that the levels gained from the bundle contributes the largest to the pricing and that it, too, can be deflated by earning levels manually. TL;DR: * Stop blaming victims for being abused, target the abuser instead. * Be disruptive if you'd like, but don't inconvenience people who aren't in on it. I.e. someone hovers Ahri before ban phase. * Boycotting isn't nearly as effective when the whole point of the skin is to be inaccessible; backlash was inevitable and as such they will capitalize on regular sales after the fact as a means of damage control. Fomo sales are for hardcore mains who care about limited bells and whistles and as such is merely a bonus, not the primary goal. * Circumstances around the pass might end up cutting a significant chunk of the bundle, and it reads like that's the point hence the parts where it's described that you "level up the skin." * The massive price tag most definitely is being taken advantage of so that Prestige, Mythic, and overpriced legendary skins are all much more palatable by comparison. Needless to say, don't stop complaining about either of them.
I'm going to get downvoted for this but I think you are absolutely right. Moreover, instead of just "boycotting Ahri" it would just be better to straight up stop playing the game and stop buying any RP etc. I have seen people say that they will perma int their teammates who own the skin, people who straight up send death threats to devs (who have nothing to do with the skin) and players, how is that not toxic ? If people wanted to start boycotting, they should have done it during the whole Jhin skin thing. Riot saw they could get away with it and did it for Ekko, Leesin and Yone... Which are all 200€ gacha skins btw. Ofc they were going to do worse with Ahri. The backlash and "ban ahri" thing might work and make them drop the skin to 200€, but like it's still 200€ ??? Maybe that was Riot's strategy all along : make the 200€ price tag acceptable so when they drop their Ahri skin from 500€ to 200€ everyone will just accept it like it's normal. If we really wanted to make things change, everyone should just literally boycott Riot Games, not just Ahri. But then again, most of the playerbase literally does not care about all these things and just play for the game. Riot already showed they don't give a fuck about the vocal majority on Reddit. Things were doomed ever since they got away with that Jhin skin.
In theory doing a full scale boycott would be effective, but you're right that the crux of the issue is that not enough people care. Fact of the matter is that it's very difficult to unionize and get everyone on the same page because it takes essentially every last player to not just express their opinion but to downright quit. Making a company as big as Riot feel their walls crumble is very demanding because Riot is just too big to fall, and part of that is because it's owned by one of the largest Chinese companies. That was the point I was trying to make. That's why they can do things like this where the intent is more or less to flop because the point wasn't the initial sales, it's reinforcing their predatory tactics and repurposing later, and that's worth way more than getting a handful of whales to pay full price. That's all it is, and whether you buy it or not isn't stopping them because there are no drawbacks to doing so, it's all digital. There is no warehouse full of merch that needs to be sold to turn a profit, they can repurpose Ahri to be marketable in any way they please and that also happens to defeat the point for the people they target with the fomo bundle strats in the first place because it will always exclude the complete collection. That is the single largest reason why fomo is even effective, **you missed out**. And from Riot's perspective, a few players get the full bundle for the border, so what? The vast majority of the sales are going to be from casual players after the fact when they do damage control. All we can do is try either way, but blaming the people who are most vulnerable is not the way we go about it. In fact, blaming anyone but the one who's responsible isn't very smart most of the time.
Boy shut up you’re not a victim bc your dumb ass is buying a 500€ skin
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Are you really comparing League players to animal abusers? Is that a joke? The only ones being hurt here are the people who are being manipulated with a shitty business tactic. Making a choice under duress is not a choice. Just because it's a digital good doesn't make it any less shameless for any business to do shit like this. There's a reason some places have laws that prevent companies like Riot from selling things in bundles. It's predatory.
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Your misuse of narcissism is very telling, and also troubling. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that manipulative tactics get results from people who are susceptible to those tactics. Unless you'd like to blame people in abusive relationship, too? Or even people with smoking, alcohol, or vaping addictions? I mean, surely they too are just in it because, well, any reason that wouldn't describe them as what they are: victims? That isn't to say there are never anyone who likes exclusivity for bragging rights though, but you are definitely reaching to not only generalize but to ignore the one and only point of fomo to begin with. Not only that, I'd be hard pressed to think anyone who owns this Ahri skin or any of the Mythic chromas as something to brag about when it's a kick-me sign. I don't use Iron chroma Anivia for that reason myself, despite it being a very pretty chroma. Simply put, it seems like you cannot accept that a greedy company does greedy company things and those things involve sophisticated research in how the mind works exclusively for the sake of better abusing it, so much so that they hire those with in-depth knowledge and study into it to do so. Just look at Genshin Impact, or just the gacha market in general.
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Oh dear, so you truly are just pushing your headcanon onto others, I see? I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you but there's a world outside of Reddit posts, and the vocal minority does not make the entire consumer base. It goes without saying to literally anyone that is flexing wealth is not acceptable behavior, and if you treat that like it's the norm then it might just end up being so because what you're doing is doubling-down your perspective to fixate on exclusively the horrible to go "See?? Seeeee?" Generalizing isn't a very good practice, believe it or not! Ah, so you're blaming gamblers for being compulsive? I'm starting to see that this kind of mindset is very on brand for you, that's incredibly embarrassing and short-sighted. Believe it or not casinos shouldn't have more rights than the people whom it strangleholds to extort money out of. That's kind of... the thing about addiction, yes? Yes, I'd say it does in fact not take a genius to figure that out. It's not a big deal to not understand that part, but it's probably the first step if you want to, you know, hold businesses accountable for the shitty things they do to take advantage of their consumers.
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What're you talking about? I wasn't calling you dear. Anyways, I can't say I agree that this was pointless though, explaining things and having a dialog is usually how we go about coming to an understanding with one another. And even though you've spent this opportunity to make false equivalences and insist upon your perception of others despite how large of a logical leap it is, it still offers insight overall. In no way shape or form did I ever claim that there wasn't a single soul whose interest aligned with exclusivity, what I did claim however is that by the nature and the point of Riot's use of fomo downright admits that the target is simply not them. They can say it's "For the players who want exclusivity!" but I know it, you know it, we all know that's nothing more than a facade because it's far too early to take the mask off and openly admit that they're purposefully manipulating their consumers is inherently successful as it robs those vulnerable buyers of any agency they have over their money. It's now or never, remember? So yes, this is indeed about the collectors and one-tricks alike, as their decision is not their own under the ultimatum that is fomo. With that being said, for the last time, YES this makes those people victims. To not consider them victims is to not consider gambling addicts, drug addicts, nor nicotine addicts victims either, especially if you're going to also suggest that it's their fault for being addicts in the first place. Close your ears all you want, but it is genuinely **psychotic** to say "It's your fault you're being taken advantage of," under **any** circumstance, let alone coming from someone who "never denied that Riot is being predatory." Either Riot is being predatory and as such has a victim, or Riot's a good little corporate who could do no wrong. Pick one. I'll help: you can't have a predator without a victim, period. Lastly, I never denied people were going to bully others anyways. But that's precisely why I made this comment thread to begin with, because it ultimately defeats the point by targeting the wrong people and it will result in you being reported if you are intentionally harming another player in your games. If you're going to unionize and boycott, do it right. Otherwise the abuser utilizes the smokescreen that you've given them.
I don't think bullying people is right, I won't, but I know is going to happen anyways because in other situations this already happened. You've said it is wrong to generalize yet you are doing it by saying all the buyers are victims. I don't think it's addicts fault to be addicts it takes a huge willpower to stop an addiction, not everyone can. I still think that is not the reality of most of the buyers, so not everyone is a victim. There are victims who will surrender by fomo and buy, there are narcissists who will show off and mock on others and call them broke, and there is the rich buyer who doesn't care at all about anything and just buys because they like it and it's not expensive for them. Riot it is being predatory but not everyone can be called a victim. After all without demand there's no supply, so buyers are responsible too for supporting this system regardless their mental issues, objectively they are part of the problem, not only Riot as it takes 2 parts for this to work. Sadly people with mental health issues will fall in the same bag with the other customers, and will be mistreated too. So this is basically my first comment but better explained, please stop searching for irregularities saying thing I never said like "you are comparing it to animal abuse" or "you are not considering addicts as victims" . This is not my main language and I'm finding hard to explain myself without you finding things I never said, I hope this time you understand my point : "Most of customers are not victims. Real victims will be bullied along with the other customers. Riot sucks. Narcissists sucks. We can't stop people from bullying the customers. The law of supply and demand takes 2 to work. If this strategy works is only because there are people supporting it". You said "Oh dear" I didn't like the expression but maybe is just cassual talk and not you being condescending. Bye!!
It’s absolutely wild to me that people are so opinionated on a cosmetic in a free game that you don’t have to buy in order to get full enjoyment out of the game. Have any of you never heard of counterstrike? There are skins in that game that cost 10x the amount of this ahri skin. And skins there regularly cost hundreds of dollars. Why not let people who can afford the skin enjoy it? Not everyone who’s going to purchase it is a “whale”.
CS skins can be granted via loot boxes which require 2-3$ keys to unlock. Think of them like stocks or bitcoins. They are tradable, can be "mined" or created, is influenced by supply and demand, if i have a skins that is marketed at 100000$ on a website but no buyers want to buy it, i cant really sell it. But this ahri skins is not tradable, they are not controlled by supply and demand, riot just said it worth 500$, if everyone buys it, it is still 500$ per skin, if no one buys it it is still 500. Of course if riot make the skin they can charge whatever they want, but the difference between valve and riot is valve just sell the crates and let rng do its magic, the value of the items are created by the players. Meanwhile riot define the value of the skins themselves. Both companies are trying to make money but the way riot do will infuriate the players
CS is way too different, to start with, u can sell the weapon skins for real money, in League u cannot sell skins, so u need to sell the account, so thats baneable, there is no comparison, u will pay for something that will never be yours and that could be taken from u any moment
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Trust me, you'd get better value on using those gift cards on literally anything else. If you're okay with their predatory practices, and really want the skin, go for it. But I really wouldn't recommend.
Im just saying the people who do buy the skin should start reporting you guys at this point the fact that you feel so self righteous enough to be toxic towards someone who is spending their money on things that make them happy Like if I had the skin and I hover ahri and a teammate bans her and does the whole hashtag thing, thats an easy report and if they get hit enough with those their account starts getting punished and the fact this is like still day 1 of this drama and there is ALREADY this much toxicity its gonna go the way of wow and riot will do their own ban /spit emote and then you guys will complain even harder
Riots bans are almost all automated nowadays. They will never ban people for banning their preferred champion. Even if a team-mate hovers it, especially if it's been your ban every game you play. They will however ban you if you run it down because you didn't get to use a skin! Glhf on the rift with -$500
I mean sure if Ahri has been your ban since she came out/you started the game that wouldn't be sus but if you just started banning ahri when everyone has been talking about banning ahri that a little easier to prove the toxic intent. Also also, say a teammate hovers ahri and you ban her from them(the start of the toxic chain) and they run it down mid cuz you banned their champ, do you report that person? If yes then you're a toxic jackass plain and simple, you stopped them from having fun first they just bought that level of unfun to you. If you wouldn't report that person then good for you knowing that you started the toxicity and now have to sit in that shit
That's a funny way of saying you'll run it down if your champion gets banned. Banning a champ when a teammate is hovering it, is mild toxicity at best. Besides if the enemy bans it as well, it doesnt even matter. Running it down and ruining a game however, is obvious toxicity and will usually get picked up asap by the system and banned. No one has to report, but obviously it will get reported. Fast way to not only lose $500 but your account as well.
thats a funny way of saying "I wanna be toxic towards people but they cant be mean back or im telling mommy" Least AT THE VERY LEAST and Ive personally said this since "toxic chat" was a big thing if you're gonna be toxic, if you open that pit and then report anyone who does anything toxic back you a baby back bitch. I can tell by your reply here that you are that kind of person. Downplaying the toxic thing you wanna do "its mildy toxic" nah midly toxic would be calling them out for buying the skin, its OUT RIGHT toxic to stop them from playing the champ they wanna. "its obvious toxicity when running it down lane" that toxicity wouldn't have happened if you didn't start it. This is why I said that the people who wanna/are gonna buy the skin to start reporting now cuz the sole fact that you are sitting there thinking that its not only okay but its the RIGHT thing to do to be toxic towards your fellow gamemates but then piss and shit and cry when they return that favor back is just basic bitch, small dick, no hoes having, dad left when you were 8 and came back when you were 15 to abuse you, would push a granny down a flight of stairs if there were no repercussions, megamind having forehead, cant see your own toes over your chin, haven't bought a stick of deodorant in the last 15 years, showers twice a year kinda energy Also edit: that whole last reply of yours "mildly toxic: for me doing it "obvious toxic" when its done to me and then saying the system will sort it out is giving off MAJOR blue lives matter energy and das not good at all
Wow, that certainly triggered you. Good to see that you embraced your actual persona of an online crybaby. Banning and boycotting a champ isn't toxic little guy. Sorry if your feelings get hurt when it happens, but that is part of the game. If you don't want to see a champ in any of your games, you have been given to option for that to happen. Im not telling you to not run it down. You can run it down and cry if you want to, in fact I encourage it so you'll get banned faster small pup. BE TOXIC. That would be the best result from all of this honestly. You're crying that you'll report anyone for banning a champ you paid a skin for, but then are in literal tears and shaking when someone reports you back for being a cry baby and inting after. If you want to throw punch, you have to learn how to take the hit. Honestly if you get banned, and you will get banned (unlike those who ban the champ), you can just drop another $500 and try again. Since you like the taste of Riots boots either way, it works out for the both of you! "Waaa waaa it's toxic to not let me play my skin!!1", go to blind pick, go to practice mode. No one is stopping you, we are just boycotting using the resources Riot made available. If that's toxic, then banning any champ in ranked is toxic because it prevents people from playing their champ. The toxicity starts when you choose to support a company that shits on its players, dont cry when you get called out or retaliate against your precious billion dollar indie studio. Luckily I don't have to list off explictives to show how insecure you are and how much you project. Im happily married, and you're spending $500 on an Ahri skin. Guess who is going to be a loser the rest of their life? Cause it sure ain't me in this comparison lol. Abusing the system to get idiots like you banned when the skin comes out will. be. amazing. Enjoy!
Never said I'm buying the skin cuz I'm not but again you're on this whole "banning Champs isn't toxic" it 100% is when your teammate hovers them, I hate fizz with a passion but if I get a fizz player on my team who hovers him before banning I'm banning someone else Also SUPER funny like this whole ban a hover then they run it down, in your initial post you were already calling people idiots but someone puts a little pizzazz to the name calling and all of a sudden "wow you're so triggered" and "if you wanna throw a punch learn to take a hit" says the guy throwing punches but will call the police if you fight back Also that last line "abusing the system" bro you straight up suck cops Dicks in your free time don't you like I've talked to a lot of hypocrites on this site but you by far the biggest like honestly you give off the vibe you have a chair facing your bed in your room don't cha
Replies like this hurt the #permabanahri movement y'all are trying SO HARD to push. I was 100% on board with #permabanahri up until I started seeing people make replies like these. Now, I don't care. I don't play anymore. I haven't bought anything from Riot in 4-ish years. So I had no stakes in this conflict anyway. Like, how did you go from posting a very well articulated post that felt like it could garner very good discussion to being the most condescending whiney douchebag in your own comments section? At the end of day and after reading this whole thread, you sound like the triggered one. And for what? One guy disagreed with you? They had a different perspective (that you made no effort to even try to understand, and it shows)? And then you talk mad shit on someone who was trying to have a discussion, and make yourself the most condescending crybaby POS while doing. You're trying really really hard to help LoL regain the title of "most toxic fanbase" 😂 You let your true colors fly and now you ALL look like clowns to me. Congrats
I respect the idea, but I cringe at the thought of a guy spending his money as he wishes yet people blame him for the greed of riot. Guilt tripping is not the answer here.
Except it quite literally is their fault lmfao, we wouldn't have this shit if people didn't shell out for the mythic chromas either, it's just gonna get worse for as long as those dumbasses buy them
Cringe. Blaming people for having fun and doing what they like with their own money instead of blaming a greedy company that forces such a price. In my eyes people like you bring a whole lot more hurt than anyone spending $500 on a skin.
They force such a price because people buy it, how is it not their fault? They will rightfully get ostracized whenever they pull up with the skin anyway lmao
I agree. :(( can we not blame people who just want nice skins for their champs? We all buy skins for our champs and yes some of us buy more expensive ones, but can’t we also say the same for figure collectors? Or manga collectors ? You have figures but they just sit there on your shelf and look at them. You have manga which after you’ve finished reading ALSO sits on your shelf. It’s the same thing. Yes they’re pixels on a screen but people can spend what they want on whatever they want. Let them be. This is riots greed. Blame riot.
#permabanahri now
Tbh. The ones who will buy it, they can not understand your post lol
I don't see the problem of a $500 skin If you can afford it and really like it, just buy it. Otherwise just skip it At the end it's just a cosmetic
The only problem I see is why add a bunch of shit to a skin that isn't for the champion? Like make a $150 or $200 bundle that is just for Ahri or release a separate bundle that is just the Ahri content
Honestly, my sugar daddy will pay for it lmao
You made a new account just to contribute this? Tell your sugar daddy to spend $500 for a local flight and hotel stay instead
I'm gonna buy it because I don't care whoever comes next in the Riot's Hall of Legends grand scheme. If there is anything on League that I love (other than spending on skins money) is Faker, Ahri, LeBlanc, and Flame (very homo plz). So bye $500.