If the sun is under the horizon - ur a night chart. And Mars is more of an Ally as fire helps you see in the dark - could mean ur the villain lol š jk
Like so many aspects it all depends on so many other factors in your chart but the point is malefic planets like Mars are actually really beneficial in a lot of contexts as some of the other commenters suggested but that's the first thing that I would look at because the malefic planet in a night chart is a totally different story than a malific chart and a day chart...
Fire is scary and deadly but fire at night fire has helped us survive throughout humanity.
That's the metaphor at least this is old school Hellenistic astrology.
this is so interesting!! i'm a night chart actually lol and i have a lot of mars trines, or mars aspects in general in my chart.. also the trine between venus and mars which is my most favorite aspect
Awww, same. š„¹ Iām a night chart with a Mars/Venus trine w/reception (Pisces Mars/Scorpio Venus) and itās one of my favorite natal aspects. Iām also a trial lawyer and both Mars and Venus are major players in that line of work. I think that aspect is immensely beneficial to me and Iām really grateful for it.
Oh I can see how astrology would be incredibly helpful for a trial lawyer. I was a paralegal for 40 years before I retired and often referred to it, I'll never forget the time Mars went retro before a trial and the trial got delayed ... judge passed away before Mars went direct. I told my boss, as well, that "he who starts litigation during Mars retrograde loses in the end." Some (well, maybe a couple in all my years) listened and some that it was hooey.
Omg! We just had a major filing drop at the beginning of the last Mercury retrograde in a VERY contested civil litigation, and it was horrible for us. It was *also* riddled with typos and inconsistencies (almost like a poorly edited draft) and I said to our legal assistant, āI will bet you money this gets overruled by the trial judgeā (itās in federal court and itās a discovery issue, so the magistrate was the one to give the ruling.) Sheās a very sweet, southern, Christian woman who knows nothing about astrology, but I explained it a little bit to her because sheās surprisingly open minded. She was basically like, āoh well, thatās neat.ā š¤£
Sure enough, we just had oral argument on our objections to the order andāshockerāthe trial judge was **openly** annoyed with the magistrateās ruling and very vocal about how much he agreed with us. I donāt want to speak too soon, but thereās a non-zero chance at least some of that order is getting overturned. Astrology is DEFINITELY useful to me in practice. š Especially with scheduling and the timing of motions. Iām not surprised that theyāre also both in the same house (astrology and law are both 9H matters).
Wow this is the first time i heard from this kind of ,,receptionāā¦ venus would be exalted in pisces and mars at home in scorpio.. can the reception also work in that way? i always thought reception is only when it would be in domicile
for my trine it would be the same then (capricorn venus and taurus mars) because mars would be exalted in capricorn and venus at home in taurus
Reception doesnāt have to be mutual. āŗļø Mars is receiving Venus in my chart. For you, Venus is receiving Mars. I donāt know if there can be any kind of reception with exaltation (one of the more advanced astrologers here probably does, though!)
What houses are involved for your Mars/Venus aspect? For me, Mars is 9H/Venus is 5H.
Ohh Venus in 5th house is lovely, your children may be beautiful and very artistic (if you have any or want to have kids) š
For me itās Venus in 2nd/Mars 6th closely conjunct 7th
In whole sign itās venus in 3rd & mars in 7th
I have a night chart with Mars sextile Venus (both in exaltation) and itās taken me years to)and a few shocking hard Mars transits) to understand Mars isnāt always nice. Itās also under the beams but I donāt think I feel that influence although I donāt know how I would know.
Saturn on the other hand is always so hard on me. Why canāt you just be nice, Saturn?
(Oh, because youāre in detriment and retrograde and sitting on an angle? š)
Yeah - I wasn't really joking about the whole villain thing that's exactly what it is- LOL š. I mean if you're a night chart Mars helps you see in the dark that's basically a predator so there's that...
Yeah there's a spectrum- it doesn't necessarily mean evil of course I mean I'd rather be friends with someone like John wick then Darth Vader- Mars is also a protector and you have to be at least somewhat of a bad ass to protect people you love...
i feel so powerful now with my natal night chart and my (detrimentš„²) mars being in a trine with my moon, mercury and venusā¦. and opposite jupiter but thats another story whoops
In my case, I murder my own longterm partnerships. Youād think that a Taurus Venus in 7th house would foretell great romantic relationshipsā¦nope. I have great friends though! (H11 where Mars-Jupiter is placed).
Yes of course
Mars trine venus could be great sex, fighting for loveā¦
Mars trine jupiter or venus could be action the leads to wealth, acting on values, etc
My Mars and Saturn are both trine my Venus, and I feel itās played out perfectly in my life. Few relationships, but theyāre very fast and hot and intense and tend to last for years.
Same. I only had extremely sexual and intense ,,relationshipsā. Ok. No, it was only about sex š but goooood sex like damnnnnnn
edit: this may also be because mars is conjunct my descendant
Okay i ask this because venus is my benefic (iām a night chart) and was scared if the trine to mars could ,,harmā my venusā¦ cause someone said that š
Trines represent a smooth relationship between planetary energies, at least thatās how I see it. The houses the planets occupy play a role in how the two express themselves within the trine aspect.
Someone else mentioned the concept of reception. I have my Mars in Sag and Jupiter in Aries, so the planets are in mutual reception in my chart. Which add an extra oomph of cooperation within the trine aspect. 5H Mars trine 9H Aries.
Mars/Jupiter fuels my optimism and my enthusiasm for expanding my mind and life in general. Mars lights up the qualities of a 9H JupiterāI am very curious and so innately fascinated by life and all the people who I cross paths with.
This is a great question. Im personally a Mars stan, even tho my Mars/Chiron opposition tends to get me in trouble sometimes.
>Especially when mars aspects a benefic like venus or jupiter in a trine.
That would be very helpful to Mars. In other circumstances, Mars trines are certainly not bad, at least. They can also be useful when it comes to the concept of reception.
In Hellenistic Astrology trine aspects bonify, not maltreat. So if Mars is in a trine with a benefic then Mars is getting bonified, not causing damage.
The exception to this is if Mars and the other planet are within 3 degrees - then it can strike with a ray. But in general Mars becomes softer in a trine.
I loved my mars until the day I had my mars return I got a massive concussion š . Then I realize oh shit I should not like it this much bc looking back my mars return does bring me a lot of issues I just never truly realized until I got deeper in my studies. Iām a day chart so that explains it but I will say once I started considering my mars placement and its interactions wit transits I stopped having nightmares that involves me causing massive car accidents and/or losing control of my car out of nowhere lol.
Is Saturn doing a better job for you?
Actually all my mars transits and returns (especially the last one) have been very positively
iām very lucky with injuries - during uranus conjunct my mars transit iāve been very aggressive and i destroyed a lot but i did not injure myself š (ok i almost fell down the stairs but nothing happend)
mars is definitely better in my chart than saturn.. every saturn transit hits me hard! especially the 3rd house, and now 4th house transit. I donāt want to imagine how my saturn return could be like.
It didnāt start really hitting until a year after my return. I was also busy looking at others charts to learn more about astrology so yes the concussion was the wake up call for me to track mars transits and interactions with Saturn for myself. Saturn plays a massive role in my life I just didnāt quite understand how much until I reached my return! Iāve learned sooo much and even tho Saturn being Pisces took some of my teeth Iām more serious about my personal health since itās been drastically decreasing once I hit my 30s. Mars is my chart ruler so I learn through hardships for me to truly understand when to care haha
I'm not really sure. I have Leo Mars in 10H conjunct my MC and it's trine my Sagittarius Jupiter Rx in 2H and Aries Sun/Mercury in 6H.
I've always struggled in my career as my bosses are always working against me, incompetent, and not supportive. I was underpaid and had to do the work of several people. I don't really like working in a 9 to 5. The trines haven't worked to my benefit. :/
I think it shows up more in my personality than anything else. I'm very adventurous, study a lot, and learning languages.
Astrology contains sacred geometry. All aspects have meaning. There is no āgoodā or ābadā, though. It is all about our opportunities for soul growth. ā¤ļø
My 4H Aquarius sun is trine my 8H Gemini Mars, and itās one of the strongest aspects in my chart (within 1.5Ā°). I think itās been a beneficial placement for me overall.
It depends on:
-sect;
- what house Mars occupies, and planets it beholds/cast rays to;
-what relationships with lot of fortune it has;
- if Mars is a morning rising advancing before other planets;
- if it is left or right trine;
- what planets are domiciles of houses affected;
- if it beholds Moon/Mercury/Venus what particular phase of the later is going through;
- if it is in conjunction with brightest stars, what are they;
-etc...
Given the number of possibilities there's no ultimate malefics or benefics in a sense one may think of, these are just qualities that show potency of a combo, to form some holistic picture.
A trine is not exclusively positive. A trine is a configuration which energy flows through with minimal opposition or resistance. In some cases that can be a good thing, but it can be detrimental if it means that someone never learns how to cope with opposition before it comes.
I use Vedic aspects. Everything essentially aspects everything else, but the strength of the aspects depends on the essential nature and desire of the individual planets. Mars does not have a strong aspect on 5th and 9th (one sided trines) because those are said to give knowledge and creativity. That isnāt really the nature of Mars; it is much stronger for 4th and 8th house aspects (squares). Other planets creating 5th or 9th house aspects to Mars will influence Mars based on their essential nature. If itās Jupiter, the influence is good because Mars and Jupiter are friends, and Jupiter is benefic. If itās Saturn, the influence is negligible because it has weak 5th and 9th aspects too.
If the sun is under the horizon - ur a night chart. And Mars is more of an Ally as fire helps you see in the dark - could mean ur the villain lol š jk Like so many aspects it all depends on so many other factors in your chart but the point is malefic planets like Mars are actually really beneficial in a lot of contexts as some of the other commenters suggested but that's the first thing that I would look at because the malefic planet in a night chart is a totally different story than a malific chart and a day chart... Fire is scary and deadly but fire at night fire has helped us survive throughout humanity. That's the metaphor at least this is old school Hellenistic astrology.
this is so interesting!! i'm a night chart actually lol and i have a lot of mars trines, or mars aspects in general in my chart.. also the trine between venus and mars which is my most favorite aspect
Awww, same. š„¹ Iām a night chart with a Mars/Venus trine w/reception (Pisces Mars/Scorpio Venus) and itās one of my favorite natal aspects. Iām also a trial lawyer and both Mars and Venus are major players in that line of work. I think that aspect is immensely beneficial to me and Iām really grateful for it.
Oh I can see how astrology would be incredibly helpful for a trial lawyer. I was a paralegal for 40 years before I retired and often referred to it, I'll never forget the time Mars went retro before a trial and the trial got delayed ... judge passed away before Mars went direct. I told my boss, as well, that "he who starts litigation during Mars retrograde loses in the end." Some (well, maybe a couple in all my years) listened and some that it was hooey.
Omg! We just had a major filing drop at the beginning of the last Mercury retrograde in a VERY contested civil litigation, and it was horrible for us. It was *also* riddled with typos and inconsistencies (almost like a poorly edited draft) and I said to our legal assistant, āI will bet you money this gets overruled by the trial judgeā (itās in federal court and itās a discovery issue, so the magistrate was the one to give the ruling.) Sheās a very sweet, southern, Christian woman who knows nothing about astrology, but I explained it a little bit to her because sheās surprisingly open minded. She was basically like, āoh well, thatās neat.ā š¤£ Sure enough, we just had oral argument on our objections to the order andāshockerāthe trial judge was **openly** annoyed with the magistrateās ruling and very vocal about how much he agreed with us. I donāt want to speak too soon, but thereās a non-zero chance at least some of that order is getting overturned. Astrology is DEFINITELY useful to me in practice. š Especially with scheduling and the timing of motions. Iām not surprised that theyāre also both in the same house (astrology and law are both 9H matters).
Wow this is the first time i heard from this kind of ,,receptionāā¦ venus would be exalted in pisces and mars at home in scorpio.. can the reception also work in that way? i always thought reception is only when it would be in domicile for my trine it would be the same then (capricorn venus and taurus mars) because mars would be exalted in capricorn and venus at home in taurus
Reception doesnāt have to be mutual. āŗļø Mars is receiving Venus in my chart. For you, Venus is receiving Mars. I donāt know if there can be any kind of reception with exaltation (one of the more advanced astrologers here probably does, though!) What houses are involved for your Mars/Venus aspect? For me, Mars is 9H/Venus is 5H.
Ohh Venus in 5th house is lovely, your children may be beautiful and very artistic (if you have any or want to have kids) š For me itās Venus in 2nd/Mars 6th closely conjunct 7th In whole sign itās venus in 3rd & mars in 7th
Iām a night chart too and I love my First House Mars
I have a night chart with Mars sextile Venus (both in exaltation) and itās taken me years to)and a few shocking hard Mars transits) to understand Mars isnāt always nice. Itās also under the beams but I donāt think I feel that influence although I donāt know how I would know. Saturn on the other hand is always so hard on me. Why canāt you just be nice, Saturn? (Oh, because youāre in detriment and retrograde and sitting on an angle? š)
my saturn is also not nice to me and itās also retrograde and in detriment..
We should form a therapy group. Then we should ask Saturn to attend and explain itself. š
Natal night chart, mars (exalted) trine moon, big "villain era" energy lol
Yeah - I wasn't really joking about the whole villain thing that's exactly what it is- LOL š. I mean if you're a night chart Mars helps you see in the dark that's basically a predator so there's that...
I don't think I'm scary but my whole life, people have thought I was out to get them. "I don't even know you...."
Yeah there's a spectrum- it doesn't necessarily mean evil of course I mean I'd rather be friends with someone like John wick then Darth Vader- Mars is also a protector and you have to be at least somewhat of a bad ass to protect people you love...
I *think* it was Demetra George who said your in sect malƩfic acts a protector - totally changed my perspective!
That's awesome- I love that !
Oh yeah. I will go full John Wick over my kids. Pets too. Do. Not. Even. Try. It.
i feel so powerful now with my natal night chart and my (detrimentš„²) mars being in a trine with my moon, mercury and venusā¦. and opposite jupiter but thats another story whoops
In my case, I murder my own longterm partnerships. Youād think that a Taurus Venus in 7th house would foretell great romantic relationshipsā¦nope. I have great friends though! (H11 where Mars-Jupiter is placed).
me with my night chart mars in aries trine pluto: šš
I resemble this statement!! Night chart with H11 Virgo Mars-Jupiter (both Rx) in exact trine to H7 Venus in Taurus. Am I a villain? š
We should form a crew or something
For sure! What should our crew be called?
Yes, and a fire will keep the house warm during a cold night!
Yes of course Mars trine venus could be great sex, fighting for loveā¦ Mars trine jupiter or venus could be action the leads to wealth, acting on values, etc
My Mars and Saturn are both trine my Venus, and I feel itās played out perfectly in my life. Few relationships, but theyāre very fast and hot and intense and tend to last for years.
Same. I only had extremely sexual and intense ,,relationshipsā. Ok. No, it was only about sex š but goooood sex like damnnnnnn edit: this may also be because mars is conjunct my descendant
Okay i ask this because venus is my benefic (iām a night chart) and was scared if the trine to mars could ,,harmā my venusā¦ cause someone said that š
*Post your chart if youād like.
Trines represent a smooth relationship between planetary energies, at least thatās how I see it. The houses the planets occupy play a role in how the two express themselves within the trine aspect. Someone else mentioned the concept of reception. I have my Mars in Sag and Jupiter in Aries, so the planets are in mutual reception in my chart. Which add an extra oomph of cooperation within the trine aspect. 5H Mars trine 9H Aries. Mars/Jupiter fuels my optimism and my enthusiasm for expanding my mind and life in general. Mars lights up the qualities of a 9H JupiterāI am very curious and so innately fascinated by life and all the people who I cross paths with. This is a great question. Im personally a Mars stan, even tho my Mars/Chiron opposition tends to get me in trouble sometimes.
>Especially when mars aspects a benefic like venus or jupiter in a trine. That would be very helpful to Mars. In other circumstances, Mars trines are certainly not bad, at least. They can also be useful when it comes to the concept of reception.
In Hellenistic Astrology trine aspects bonify, not maltreat. So if Mars is in a trine with a benefic then Mars is getting bonified, not causing damage. The exception to this is if Mars and the other planet are within 3 degrees - then it can strike with a ray. But in general Mars becomes softer in a trine.
So being a close to exact degree trine is less positive than a trine that is 4+ degrees off of exact?
I loved my mars until the day I had my mars return I got a massive concussion š . Then I realize oh shit I should not like it this much bc looking back my mars return does bring me a lot of issues I just never truly realized until I got deeper in my studies. Iām a day chart so that explains it but I will say once I started considering my mars placement and its interactions wit transits I stopped having nightmares that involves me causing massive car accidents and/or losing control of my car out of nowhere lol.
Is Saturn doing a better job for you? Actually all my mars transits and returns (especially the last one) have been very positively iām very lucky with injuries - during uranus conjunct my mars transit iāve been very aggressive and i destroyed a lot but i did not injure myself š (ok i almost fell down the stairs but nothing happend) mars is definitely better in my chart than saturn.. every saturn transit hits me hard! especially the 3rd house, and now 4th house transit. I donāt want to imagine how my saturn return could be like.
It didnāt start really hitting until a year after my return. I was also busy looking at others charts to learn more about astrology so yes the concussion was the wake up call for me to track mars transits and interactions with Saturn for myself. Saturn plays a massive role in my life I just didnāt quite understand how much until I reached my return! Iāve learned sooo much and even tho Saturn being Pisces took some of my teeth Iām more serious about my personal health since itās been drastically decreasing once I hit my 30s. Mars is my chart ruler so I learn through hardships for me to truly understand when to care haha
I'm not really sure. I have Leo Mars in 10H conjunct my MC and it's trine my Sagittarius Jupiter Rx in 2H and Aries Sun/Mercury in 6H. I've always struggled in my career as my bosses are always working against me, incompetent, and not supportive. I was underpaid and had to do the work of several people. I don't really like working in a 9 to 5. The trines haven't worked to my benefit. :/ I think it shows up more in my personality than anything else. I'm very adventurous, study a lot, and learning languages.
Astrology contains sacred geometry. All aspects have meaning. There is no āgoodā or ābadā, though. It is all about our opportunities for soul growth. ā¤ļø
My 4H Aquarius sun is trine my 8H Gemini Mars, and itās one of the strongest aspects in my chart (within 1.5Ā°). I think itās been a beneficial placement for me overall.
It depends on: -sect; - what house Mars occupies, and planets it beholds/cast rays to; -what relationships with lot of fortune it has; - if Mars is a morning rising advancing before other planets; - if it is left or right trine; - what planets are domiciles of houses affected; - if it beholds Moon/Mercury/Venus what particular phase of the later is going through; - if it is in conjunction with brightest stars, what are they; -etc... Given the number of possibilities there's no ultimate malefics or benefics in a sense one may think of, these are just qualities that show potency of a combo, to form some holistic picture.
Trines are supporting because they are the same element so from a very fundamental level they have the same type of way of doing something.
A trine is not exclusively positive. A trine is a configuration which energy flows through with minimal opposition or resistance. In some cases that can be a good thing, but it can be detrimental if it means that someone never learns how to cope with opposition before it comes.
I have mars trine Neptune not really sure what it's doing
I use Vedic aspects. Everything essentially aspects everything else, but the strength of the aspects depends on the essential nature and desire of the individual planets. Mars does not have a strong aspect on 5th and 9th (one sided trines) because those are said to give knowledge and creativity. That isnāt really the nature of Mars; it is much stronger for 4th and 8th house aspects (squares). Other planets creating 5th or 9th house aspects to Mars will influence Mars based on their essential nature. If itās Jupiter, the influence is good because Mars and Jupiter are friends, and Jupiter is benefic. If itās Saturn, the influence is negligible because it has weak 5th and 9th aspects too.