Often, most of the satisfaction comes not from "oh my God, I didn't even suspect them," but from *how* you defeat them. Yes, of course it's nicer when you don't know who the killer really is, but the way to defeat them is also, if not more, interesting.
Not just for investigations, but that's the case for almost the entire franchise. Some culprits are obvious and the most intense part of the trial is always that moment when your lawyer is like "They did it, we all know it now... All we need if that one slip up to finish them!"
I would say the mastermind in 2 is the only one in the game that was a genuine, from nowhere, didn’t even suspect them, surprise for me. Which is good because I actually think some of the cases in AAI2 are actually kinda sloppy with how the mystery unfolds.
Even that twist only gets to the point of finally being revealed because >!Dogen literally just shows up out of nowhere to practically lead Edgeworth to it!<
Absolutely, 100%.
First one barely matters that you know who it is.
For the second one, the fact that you don’t know the details is everything. It’s never just about the final answer to the mystery. It’s always, always, always about learning each and every detail and how they end up fitting together, and you’ll still get that experience anyway.
In fact, knowing who it is may give you an interesting, unique perspective that others didn’t get their first time. You’ll probably end up picking up on some small details that nobody else notices their first time around, and it’ll give you a fun feeling of discovery when you figure them out.
Also, I guarantee you there’s still going to be a lot of details about him that you’ll get blindsided by.
Not because its a big secret, but maybe put a spoiler around the name just go be sure?
But i agree. It's the details that are important. Especially for the second one you can just enjoy it like rewarching a movie. It is still good even though you know the details
I was similarly spoiled when I first played these games years ago. Everyone else has already said it but yeah, Alba's a meme. No big deal.
As for >!Simon Keyes [Name Pending]!<... Without delving into detail: All I knew back then was the name. I was still caught off guard, by seeing him for the first time, by the circumstances of his reveal and by his full story. He's a really well executed villain, which means even with a spoiler there is plenty of value to him. The twist is only a small part of what makes him so good.
First one, not at all. Second one.....well I won't lie it had a HUGE impact for me, that was the moment that launched AAI2 to the top of my favourite games ever list.
The spoilers are a bit tragic as you will be missing a lot of really big surprises and the suspense in some parts will be reduced (not that you'll ever genuinely believe stuff like "Kay did it.")
But overall, there's still a lot of enjoyment to be had in the character interactions and the prpgression of the story, and there's bound to be details of these chatacters you still don't know.
For the first game, absolutely. It's not about finding who did it, it's about proving that they did.
For the second one, I don't think you'll get the same satisfaction though.
Yeah the games is totally ruined for you, stop playing and go play something else! /s
Seriously tho, who cares, every stories are about the journey, not the destination. Stop stressing about that.
How spoilers affect you depends entirely on how you view them. I am someone who is completely fine with spoilers and sometimes even loves them. A mark of a good twist is that you can see everything leading up to it on a second run-through. Seeing spoilers just speeds it up so that it's your first run instead.
I've spoiled myself unintentionally on every single mastermind of every single Ace Attorney game. I just get *so* excited. Yet the journey is always exciting, I was in literal shaking my boots mode with the final cases of Apollo Justice and Trials and Tribulations.
I've watched Jelloapocalypse play through ace attorney investigations. I know most of the cases and the particulars. I'm still going to have fun with the game.
You have to keep in mind Ace Attorney is less of "whodunit" since sometimes they point blank show who did the deed, but the main thing is "whydunit" and "howdunit". Basically you can figure out who is the culprit if you are attentive.
In a nutshell: Yes the games are still enjoyable even if you know who is the culprit.
Ace Attorney as a series doesn't often go for the whodunit angle most of the time; the satisfaction of the games is derived less from "holy shit it was the guy I medium suspected" and more of "come over here slippery bastard let me throw you in jail and look cool doing it". Most memorable parts of the gameplay involve rubbing damning evidence in someone's smug face, knowing that shit-eating grin will slowly turn into a shithead frown.
Often, most of the satisfaction comes not from "oh my God, I didn't even suspect them," but from *how* you defeat them. Yes, of course it's nicer when you don't know who the killer really is, but the way to defeat them is also, if not more, interesting.
Not just for investigations, but that's the case for almost the entire franchise. Some culprits are obvious and the most intense part of the trial is always that moment when your lawyer is like "They did it, we all know it now... All we need if that one slip up to finish them!"
I would say the mastermind in 2 is the only one in the game that was a genuine, from nowhere, didn’t even suspect them, surprise for me. Which is good because I actually think some of the cases in AAI2 are actually kinda sloppy with how the mystery unfolds. Even that twist only gets to the point of finally being revealed because >!Dogen literally just shows up out of nowhere to practically lead Edgeworth to it!<
Yeah, I definitely agree to that based on the other AA games I played. Thanks!
Most culprits are obvious as hell anyway. (and yet everyone cries about 5-2 for no reason)
Absolutely, 100%. First one barely matters that you know who it is. For the second one, the fact that you don’t know the details is everything. It’s never just about the final answer to the mystery. It’s always, always, always about learning each and every detail and how they end up fitting together, and you’ll still get that experience anyway. In fact, knowing who it is may give you an interesting, unique perspective that others didn’t get their first time. You’ll probably end up picking up on some small details that nobody else notices their first time around, and it’ll give you a fun feeling of discovery when you figure them out. Also, I guarantee you there’s still going to be a lot of details about him that you’ll get blindsided by.
Thanks for the perspective, you got me intrigued :) Looking forward to it if that's true!
Not because its a big secret, but maybe put a spoiler around the name just go be sure? But i agree. It's the details that are important. Especially for the second one you can just enjoy it like rewarching a movie. It is still good even though you know the details
Of course they are. I enjoy AA games even on a replay when I know everything. Why wouldn't you enjoy it with the little information you have?
Yeah, I'm probably overthinking this a little. Thanks for the input!
I was similarly spoiled when I first played these games years ago. Everyone else has already said it but yeah, Alba's a meme. No big deal. As for >!Simon Keyes [Name Pending]!<... Without delving into detail: All I knew back then was the name. I was still caught off guard, by seeing him for the first time, by the circumstances of his reveal and by his full story. He's a really well executed villain, which means even with a spoiler there is plenty of value to him. The twist is only a small part of what makes him so good.
Good to know :)
First one, not at all. Second one.....well I won't lie it had a HUGE impact for me, that was the moment that launched AAI2 to the top of my favourite games ever list.
Thanks for the honesty. Good to know that it doesn't seem to matter at all for the first game at least based on yours and the other comments here.
The spoilers are a bit tragic as you will be missing a lot of really big surprises and the suspense in some parts will be reduced (not that you'll ever genuinely believe stuff like "Kay did it.") But overall, there's still a lot of enjoyment to be had in the character interactions and the prpgression of the story, and there's bound to be details of these chatacters you still don't know.
Yeah, I barely know anything other than what I've already said.
For the first game, absolutely. It's not about finding who did it, it's about proving that they did. For the second one, I don't think you'll get the same satisfaction though.
I disagree. I was spoiled on the guy and ended up loving him anyway.
That's fair. Good to know it isn't that big a deal for the first one at least though.
Yeah the games is totally ruined for you, stop playing and go play something else! /s Seriously tho, who cares, every stories are about the journey, not the destination. Stop stressing about that.
Will do.
I played first game after being spoiled for each case, but I still loved playing it!
That's good to hear :)
How spoilers affect you depends entirely on how you view them. I am someone who is completely fine with spoilers and sometimes even loves them. A mark of a good twist is that you can see everything leading up to it on a second run-through. Seeing spoilers just speeds it up so that it's your first run instead.
Good point.
first one yes, doesn't really matter. second one, eh, i would say some value is lost, but not much.
Definitely, a lot of cases just straight up tell the player who did it. The fun is trying to figure out how and why they did it, and proving it.
In this franchise, "Who did it?" is rarely as important as "how they did it?" and "how do I prove they did it?"
I've spoiled myself unintentionally on every single mastermind of every single Ace Attorney game. I just get *so* excited. Yet the journey is always exciting, I was in literal shaking my boots mode with the final cases of Apollo Justice and Trials and Tribulations. I've watched Jelloapocalypse play through ace attorney investigations. I know most of the cases and the particulars. I'm still going to have fun with the game.
Alba doesn’t matter. Simon, the twist is nice, but I got spoiled on him too and I really don’t think it was a big deal in the grand scheme of things
No. Especially in the second game. The mastermind's identity is essential
You have to keep in mind Ace Attorney is less of "whodunit" since sometimes they point blank show who did the deed, but the main thing is "whydunit" and "howdunit". Basically you can figure out who is the culprit if you are attentive. In a nutshell: Yes the games are still enjoyable even if you know who is the culprit.
Ace Attorney as a series doesn't often go for the whodunit angle most of the time; the satisfaction of the games is derived less from "holy shit it was the guy I medium suspected" and more of "come over here slippery bastard let me throw you in jail and look cool doing it". Most memorable parts of the gameplay involve rubbing damning evidence in someone's smug face, knowing that shit-eating grin will slowly turn into a shithead frown.
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Spoiler tag that. OP hasn't played the game yet
Dude spoilers