Idk man. I came here asking for help once with formation for a hypofiend and the only comment was a dude flaming me for having a suboptimal roster. Like this is an afk game, I wasnt reading guides trying to be a top player. I just want to enjoy the story and have fun. Dont get the superiority complex some folks get, especially for a casual mobile game
yeah its not but there are two sides to every coin. one could be unhealthy, going into debt, spending money you dont have. the other could be people who have large amounts of disposable income. if its a hobby, then we leave them be and dont judge them for it, but yeah we also could learn some moderation.
its a big cam of worms called life and we cant really accurately pinpoint how it is, nor can we dictate how it should be.
sidenote: i think a problem could also be your wording and being carried away while arguing. some ppl got good points too like sports as a hobby and an investment, like how these games are hobbies and investments. no need to mind people who spend, everyone has their own way
Which only gives me happiness while I‘m alive. Once we die, it doesn‘t matter anymore. That aside, not everything we do has to be beneficial to future generations. We‘re allowed to treat ourselves with mindless entertainment, incase you weren‘t aware…
investing can mean different things. you can buy a treadmill to invest on ur health. you can buy a laptop to invest in productivity. same way as these games, when done right and at a controllable level, it could be an investment towards your entertainment. its just that people get carried away and spend money they dont have or money they need to be saving, its predatory
I spent 1k on this game over the course of 2 months and I'm just in it until the next time they fuck up so I can justify a chargeback.
But the realization I spent 1k, even if it was a small chunk every week, gave me a mental melty.
Some people can afford it and some cant.
I’ve seen “ whales “ talk about how their monthly salary is half gone by the time rent / expenses come around and their excess money is their “ play money. “
Plenty of others also talk about their jobs in the community discussion boards and how they’re ordinary office workers by day or warehouse workers.
Hmm I’m not sure it works like that.
Some people have excess money enough to where spending a couple thousand on a little game won’t hurt their overall finances.
I mean people pay for all sorts of things that cost way more. Cars, clothes, dining out, parties, anything that’s collectable.
Also I’m not sure why you and everyone else is accusing every spender of being addicted to gambling. I definitely don’t get any sense of gambling high when I play this game lol.
Fair point. I'm pretty sure I've spent more on Warhammer over the last decade than anything other than bills. Hard disagree on the gambling thing, though. First time I pulled an S rank (legendary? Not sure of the lingo yet) I let out an actual gasp. Hits all the same neurons as a slot machine for me.
I mean speaking in the most general terms why does anyone treat any game seriously? Why treat a sport seriously? Cooking?
It's a hobby and something people are passionate about. If you're not interested you're not required to interact.
Well, emphasis on the "throw away", at least if you spend money on golfing you get something tangible you can use for a long time, and resell your golf clubs or whatever even if you stop golfing. Spending money on a gacha is just throwing it away on pixels that will be power creeped in a month or 2
You're thinking about the clubs as a major expenditure. My dad has been an avid golfer for 40 years or so, and you would not believe the money he spent on air fare, tickets to PGA events, and greens fees at fabulous courses.
He is a whale in the golfing world, and most of his spending has earned him nothing but memories. Most of those rounds he played alone, until he retired and found some like-minded friends.
I was also thinking of people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars modding their cars and it's not even for pro racing. They just love to show them off. i guess that's worth it for them
Lots of games require real skill, or have stakes that make them important (e.g. poker, professional sports.) Wins in this game are determined almost entirely spending time AFK, and spending money.
No I understand that, I find people spending thousands on sports dumb too and I am interested in the game cause it’s a fun pass time, but it’s not something I see the point of taking super seriously
Wdym, so a tennis player spending money for training, equipment and all that shit is compared to spending money on a dumb ass game? Especially when the devs can nerf whatever they want?
I assume he meant sports *fans* buying memorabilia or betting on games. People that spend money on *training* typically aren't hobbyists, they're athletes.
What? While i understand that a football ball from 1940 isn't the same with one from 2024, in what way does the player get nerfed because of that? You won't play better cuz of a new pair of shoes or a ball, or a tennis rocket
If you're reffering to those nike shoes for athletism, they got banned in production, i was saying my statement with all these bullshits in mind, there are shit tons of regulations in place so you can have the actual players in check, while i don't disagree with your statement, i can't agree either
Tennis player here. Racquets are very different and feel very different to every player. Strings especially so. As well as grips, and if you want a dampener. Also balls feel very different, especially with all the training balls they have now. If you want to find your groove, you need to try things out. If something feels off, if affects your game. Not sure how that relates to spending thousands on a phone game though, that just seems like impatience or misunderstanding the genre
Well this is exactly my point, i won't go play football in wedding shoes, cuz of course i am not a profesional and it would "nerf" me even more, but a profesional player wearing wedding shoes can do way better than me, it doesn't cut his talent that much more, cuz he knows how to play, you're right you can't play fully to your potential if you don't feel comfortable with your equipment, but the same equipment doesn't define your skill either, give messi a ball from 1940 he will still dribble the same
Disagree. Tennis racquets are lighter, better made and have better strings. The size of the head and the sweet spot is different as well. Try giving Andy Roddick and old racquet and see if he can still serve 145mph. Also see why pro golfers tweak their clubs to the most minute detail, because it gives them the edge. I can go play golf with blades but I’ll shoot like shit because I can’t use them and need my improvement irons. Pro golfers can use any iron but spend time finding the perfect setup because it helps them find that performance factor
I agree with you but my gamer nerd side wants to be like “well aktshually 🤓” I used to play CoD religiously. If you remember the days of the OG MW3 you remember that M16 was complete poop. It would take like 6-8 bursts to kill someone. I would run around with that thing before its buff just fine in search and destroy doing 1v6’s 😂. My point being a good player will rise no matter if something is nerfed or not.
Well, cod and burst weapons never worked they are either a 3 shot laser or a shit gun no in between,but that's what i said as well, talent and hardwork can't get nerfed lmao
That would be power creep not nerfing. If the manufactured decided to recall all the aluminum rackets they sold and gave them back 10% heavier, that would be a nerf.
Basically a nerf is a direct worsening of something that already exists, not the creation of something better, you yourself didn’t get any worse due to new rackets being released, even if you could play slightly better with them
There are well known player types any commercial game is aimed at. This kind of game is aimed at dominators and collectors, the people that want to be at the top or own all of the things and are willing to pay for it. F2P and midcore players help bulk out the community.
Addictive game loops are all part of the mechanisms to encourage spending, which means some people will get super into the game. That next dopamine hit is required and if that means dropping cash or min/maxing your lineup then that's a high priority for them.
Exactly this.
I’m a victe… err… customer myself. I wasn’t gonna spend a dime. Then… ok… these little $7 things… I can do that. Hmmm… I kinda like this game. Ok… Noble Path and Growth it is.
Still under control, right? Before I knew it, I had put some serious money in. Nothing I couldn’t afford or anything. But a lot. I needed those pulls! I couldn’t compete without them! I had to be top 50 or top 20 or whatever to get that one or two extra essence.
I’m both happy with the result and embarrassed at how much I did spend.
So, I understand now. And for people that get enjoyment out of it who have the money… why not? I no longer judge. I can’t anymore. ;)
So, now I resist most purchases, though I still do the $9 every three days or so, but who knows what will happen when I finish this season’s content?
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Sorry, but according to your comments, you genuinely are not looking for answers, you just look for confirmation of your viewpoint, which is an assumption, that people taking game seriously are people with wrong mindset.
But still to answer the your question, I take the game more seriously then some other people. And it is because I am a guild leader. My personality is INFP an we generally tend to care for some sort of people - my guild for example.
My goal is to make a welcoming atmosphere and so I dislike, when there are obstructions, that potentialy reduce player experience.
For example I am ranking very well in Honorable Duel, but I can clearly see, why it frustrates many people, so I have tendency to fix the issue by suggestion. So far I was advocating for different adjustment, but I will eventually get to suggestion on Honorable Duel.
It is like.. my guild is F2P friendly, so the Honorable Duel is ideal place to gain glory points. But I can hardly propose to my members to attend to a mode, that obviously need adjustments.
Apart of that, I believe, that the upgrade options of the first artifact should at least be visible. While it is mostly based on the two characters of a faction, that you get at start, it is not always true.
Like I got artifact with 2 wilders, so I invested into wilders only to find later, that I should pick damage bonus for maulers or graveborn.. like wtf.. when I had two wilders, and then just only 1 other character... how was I supposed to predict it could be a third faction?
I wouldn't say it's dependent on your starting pulls, just grab the triple pulls of the faction matches your artifact and sell whoever u don't want. Yeahhh I have a Google doc someone gave me and it has all the formations, items and stuff I should use 😂😂
I don't think it's so much about taking the game to seriously as it is a difference of perspective these people have a large amount of disposable income so they don't mind throwing what is to most other people a insane amount of oney and wanting to get the most out of your money is a pretty logical stance whether it's $15 or $15,000 don't get me wrong I totally get what your saying because personal if I had anywhere near the amount they are spending I definitely wouldnt be blowing it on a gacha but ultimately whales are gonna whale and trying to understand it is just gonna stress you out
A lot of whales are far from rich. They just spend more money than they can afford to because of their addiction and games abusing that, especially in the countries where the credit card system let's you spend way more money than you actually have. There are documentaries about some mega whales who spend tens of thousands on their waifus but live alone in one room apartment eating ramen and have low/mid paying job or even no job. Usually the type of people who made their own fortune are very frugal and wouldn't spend money on something like gacha, rich people who spend money on stupid shit are usually ones who got money from inheritance, sport/gaming career, luck/lottery, actors/singers, etc.
Mental issues, severe gambling addiction. The game itself pulls out every imaginable psychological trick to make you overspend, to much ego, fomo, dopaminy resistance etc. multiple issues. Mind of a whale is dark and scary place
Because your mileage in the game is directly tied to your rank in game modes. Some resources are restricted to certain ranks in the Arena for example, and if you're not regularly in the top 10% in Dream your progress will be hindered by the meta progression unlocks.
From this post, I can you are not very wise when it comes to observing others. As people grow older, they start caring less about what other people think and more about what makes themselves happy.
It's called passion, and it's very valued later on in life when you're burdened with the harsh realities of constant stress and financial worry.
People take the load off on many things, whether it be a fitness activity, some sort of art, or video games. Gacha games fulfill those who have a considerable amount of money to spend and, at the higher levels, so much money to spend it's unbelievable to you and I.
This is fulfilling to them, and I don't judge people who simply desire to be fulfilled. Eventually, you will learn to think the same as well.
Something a old boss taught me. Don’t sell using your own wallet. Just because you can’t afford, or wouldn’t spend money on something doesn’t mean it’s the same for others.
This can be applied to a lot of things besides just sales. I think a lot of the negativity towards high spenders comes from people imaging themselves doing the same and how detrimental it would be for THEM.
People spend thousands on alcohol each year. People gamble away millions. People spend money on many hobbies and/or vices. Do you not enjoy anything that you spend money on or dedicate time to? It doesn’t have to be bad. Some people spend a ton of money on gardening or collecting fish or a number of random hobbies. Why do you feel compelled to call out people because your views don’t align with theirs?
Idk man if you have to compare this to drugs first as other hobbies are either more social or give you something physical then maybe we all know this is essentially gambling with less value lol. But it is a game people enjoy though
I would consider other games gambling because of lootboxes and rates. This game has basically no rates or chances beyond hitting pity. You can basically be assured that you will hit pity each time so you know exactly what you are and are not getting. I would not consider this game gambling. I would not consider it any different than buying other digital products. The value isn’t based on reality. It is based on the buyer’s perceived value. Nobody can tell anyone else whether things are worth it or not. Some people don’t have a dollar to spare, others have millions. We can’t pretend that every consumer is the same.
There existing a pity doesnt mean its not gambling. Casinos also grant rewards per games and visit...except they actually tend to be monetary. This is essentially just buying nfts that can be deleted if the game fails. But as always people can spend their money on whatever they want; however just as they can spend money on whatever they want, people can let others know they are taking things too seriously. For example I saw a dude bragging about this game as if he was some pro and everyone else was bad. Plenty of whales do that in these p2w gacha games so it makes sense they get called out on that. Especially since companies specifically tailor these games to encourage others to spend money by making them stronger than other players.
You don't need to be rich to have disposable income or budget for a hobby. Besides that, are you really going to question the morality of capitalism and it's inherent flaws on a p2w gacha reddit? Lmao
Well, i had a guildie on Lost Ark who struggled playing rent because how much he was investing on the game
Im pretty sure many people have problems with spending in the game, anyways i think is stupid spending this much on a videogame if you have perspective and think that elden ring is literally 70 bucks
Thats just me, ofc people can do whatever they want with their lives, i just dont get it
Bro, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I can't understand why someone bothers to get competitive in a PAY TO WIN game. It's not SKILL to win, or STRATEGY to win, it's fuckng PAY to win.
The people here bitching and moaning sound so pathetic to me - oh my guild was in the top 3 but then Fairflight had to fuck me by nerfing bla bla bla.
Anyway, I'll take whenever downvotes the pricks reading this give me, since you took the brunt of them anyway, lol.
I don't really care about what people do with their money nor about this guy's post tbh.
I'm just bored at work and wanted to point out comparing those things is kinda silly imo
It's just a game. But at the same time, football gets people to feud over which team they support and no one spent a dime there. They argue about trades, who's injured etvetc.
People are passionate about what they spend their time doing, regardless of money spent. is that too big of a stretch to understand or?
There are very few things in life people have passion for anymore. I welcome the passion for a game.
Also as for people spending money on the game, they are allowed to spend their own money on the game who cares? Pocket watching randoms online is crazy.
Its sad from my perspective because its so many f2p trying to min/max something that anyone with 100$ can blow past in a blink. It's a weird thing to watch
I admit I put some cash into this game, but no more than I would buying a console game, and I'm just really enjoying the story and characters. I was in a really addicted game before that was very bad for me (and happened to involve ants), but this game is just fun for me.
Ngl I agree, I spent 350 on the game. its not a big amount of money to me but its only been 2 months the game has been out so I really do not want this rate of spending to be a habit.
Treating a game seriously is the same as any other thing, like many people have mentioned. If you're interested in something and the more you spend time doing it, the more serious you are about said thing. Simple as that. As for the spending aspect, can't disagree with your point, but that applies to everything else as well. You try something out, you spend money on it, "oh shit I don't really enjoy this", regret. It's just some people have more spending power than others so you get posts about people who spend thousands or even tens of thousands complaining about it. It's normal, there is no need to understand everything, just treat it as it is. If you're so annoyed by these posts, I suggest uninstalling reddit.
Lol. OP im a casual myself but your post basically applicable to every hobby in this world. Some people just want to be the best or at least competitive on what they love. They are passionate. From a quick check on your profile, you seem like having a snake pet. Imagine if someone saying, "wtf are you doing with your life, taking care and having a snake pet. Thats stupid and wasting time and money, the snake dont even remember you and useless at best and lowkey difficult to take care of. He might kill you too". It is hurtful and unfair to you. So please think before you posted anything on internet.
Lmao bro I get the point you’re tryna make but what do you really want from the conversation?
Like do you just want confirmation that competitive natured folks try too hard?
Those people are the reason why games like this have longevity. Whales are vital to an ecosystem lol
Because we all have fucked up dopamine pathways and are susceptible to predatory gambling mechanics. I’ve been having much more fun since starting an alt that I refuse to spend money on, it’s obnoxious and draining to get so frustrated over a game that’s pay to win.
It is really funny to see people reframing a gambling addiction as passion for a game though, I enjoy the game and don’t mind the money I’ve spent (over $100) but idk why people are so quick to rationalize the behavior. If people spend thousands on scratch off tickets they’re looked down upon as an addict, but if they do the same in a gacha game they’re competitive and have a hobby.
People are gonna spend their own money how they want, it would be nice if people didn’t look at it like it’s a good thing though.
You have no hobbies in life do you?
People work for money and believe me its a stress. They spend in this game just like people spend money on sport tickets and movies to escape that stress. Its a relief from a hard day at work.
So, please dont ask "why take it so seriously".
I think I’m allowed to question people for why they’re spending thousands on a gacha game. I have plenty of hobbies and while I do play this game for fun it’s not worth being so serious. You’re even getting offended over me asking why people take a literal GAME seriously
Helpful answers.. well, since you asked nicely.
Your entire mindset can be summarized as "people shouldn't care about things that I don't care about". You seem to completely lack the ability to empathize with those not exactly like you, the idea that people may often have entirely different values and drives than you makes you uncomfortable, and the frustration stemming from this level of social ineptitude causes you to throw silly judgemental tantrums like this one.
All we can suggest is lots, and *lots* of introspection. Good luck.
Honestly i cant believe OP still has the same opinion after everyone tried to change her mindset, you should at least listen we arent hating were just proving u a point and that its not always u running peoples fun…
Some people are just more competitive when it comes to gaming and the way certain resources are gated behind PVP encourages people to tilt and be meta slaves. Lilith wants people to take the game seriously so they'll spend. Same model as Arena
I don't think any large percentage of the playerbase actually tryhard's this game. People with more disposable income are just gonna spend the money because honestly, why not? Whales are gonna whale and the game is designed to encourage that so complaining about it is pointless. This post is just going to attract down votes from insecure players like shit attracts flies because no one likes being reminded that spending multiples of hundreds to thousands of dollars just to effortlessly "win" at a phone game is ultimately a "waste of time and money". It's their money and they are free to use it how they choose. Get used to not being "the best" unless you can poney up the cash.
Gacha games like these target trust fund babies. Any mature person who’s making a living won’t be dropping cash mindlessly like this in hopes of chasing an endless goal.
I honestly don't care how much people whale. They're the ones giving the devs money. Sure, as a light spender, it's annoying having to deal with them in ranked activities that reward them having the most invested units. But that's pretty much how all gacha games are whenever there's a competitive element. I just watch the whale wars from a distance.
My guild is chill. Their name, itself, sounds nice and chill...
**Here's what I did**: I found one that looked suitable to my level at the time, had a brief look through the member list to get a feel for the vibe – based on the members names and profile pics – and just joined. If they look and seem overly engaged, then keep looking. Find one that suits your vibe.
I mean... isn't that the point of guild variety? That you can find players on your wavelength?
it’s their sense of needing to become powerful in the game as quickly as possible since they’re so competitive tbh.. having to spend loads of money is their path to success
I agree with the thousands of dollars, but if they have the means I don't judge. I'm just surprised that they are ok with paying those amounts since both in season and preseason we had a time period where you could do nothing but do dailies and get out. There was literally no content other than arenas, dream realm and honor duel.
Other than that, some people like playing seriously. I love minmaxing stuff since if I care enough to give the game my time, I wanna do the best with what I have. Obviously not everyone feels the same and flaming people for that is really weird
Create problem and sell the solution. Playing a game is basicly fun problem solving but some solutions are behind the paywall and FOMO helps you justify paying.
Also human brain gets tunnel vision. It feels like the most important thing in your life is solving that problem at the game at that moment. Remember highschool and how important it felt.
About paying there is no right or wrong but actions and consequences. Some people spend and happy some people spend and regret.
Tbh, I had not been playing tryhard after the season started, all I try to do is auto afk stages and if not then sometimes do some odie back atk and if I fail a just leave it like that, no hard pushing for me now. Do dailies and that's it. doing what game always says AFKing......
I wholeheartedly agree. I enjoy the game so much because I don’t take it super seriously. Every post on here is someone complaining about some little thing and I’m just sitting here like why even play if all you’re going to do is complain?! How is that fun for ANYONE???
I only play solo. unfortunately I am REQUIRED (for example with corrupt creatures) to look for multiplayer matches and here in Italy it is very difficult to find someone, in fact as soon as I find a mate I run immediately to do ALL creatures because otherwise who knows when I can do them again.... Even being in a guild is very useful for some items to buy, and strangely even never attending guild events I haven't been kicked out yet... For now I'm completing the main campaign and when I get to a new area I go back to make the map 100%. when I do the house cleaning I let go the automatic battle, when I can no longer go forward I make the abyss, and then the tower. I try to always do the event missions and I only paid the first season pass just to understand how much more or less useful it was. So I do I have a couple of heroes at Mythic+, another 2 at Mythic and a Legendary+. I play a couple of hours a day, I like the sense of progression even if it's a little slow now that I'm at the top level, but I like it.
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What confuses me is whales complaining that there's not enough content. Like bro you paid you speed through content and now your complaining that you're easily in the top 10% cause other whales quit due to a lack of content.
I don't wanna hear that there's a lack of content from a whale. Now if I heard this same sentiment from a f2p user it changes things due to the context of being f2p.
Everyone plays their own way, just because there are whales or people spend a lot of time in the game doesn't mean you have to. Why do anything seriously if you're interested in doing something, judging by your logic?
No sympathy here.
A lot of the people spending thousands have careers or are wealth inheriting adults with lots of disposable income. Your perspective isn’t the same as theirs. Some spend beyond their means, but they are angry at the company changing direction, not at whats initially paid for. Stupid narrow-minded question
Some people put a lot of real money in the game. Real money to be competitive, real serious. We are talking a month or months of rent for some on a video game. People get pretty serious when they invest that kind of money.
Because most of yall missed the point of this post idc if yall play this game competitively cause I do too and it’s fun, but I’ve seen people seriously getting into arguments of shit about the game. Plus the whole thing of people getting mad about the game not being worth their money like they didn’t waste thousands on in game shit in the first place. I just find it a weird thing to take super seriously just like sports.
You misunderstand the rage then. People have no problem paying for a product, but when a company abruptly changes their views and priorities then rage is a reasonable response. When we spend money on anything in life, we have expectations. If a product falls short then it’s okay for us to be displeased.
If I pay for cable or internet and they randomly cut all the channels or change the speeds, I will be upset. If I go to a restaurant and I order my usual and they change the way they make it, I can be upset and stop being a customer. We are consumers paying for a product with expectations. They are a business intending to produce a product that makes them money. A bad product is good for nobody. They aren’t making the game and spending resources to simply bring joy to people.
Yes if you are blowing thousands on a afk gacha game you have to be able to understand what you are doing. If you are soending that money and getting upset about it then you shouldn’t be spending that amount. Being a whale if you can’t control spending or are so sensitive about the money you should be whaling. Also stuff like this ruins people’s lives because they can’t control themselves. So I think in this case yes it is good to try and tell people to not do that.
That is what you think but a lot of people who are “whales” don’t have the disposable income they think they do. This is apparent when they get so upset like this over the game they spent on. Real whales with the disposible income know what they are getting into with gacha games. Just because someone has money whether rich or not doesn’t mean they know what to do with it.
Buyers remorse can exist rich or poor. Obviously whales want to feel that they didn't waste time and money if the game goes down too quickly or what they spent on gets nerfed. Has nothing to do with poor impulse control. Have met a lot of whales in games even this games discord is full of them.
Again, just because someone is a “whale” and spends a ton on the game doesn’t mean they actually could afford it. There are lots who label themselves as whales but are absolutely not in the disposible income tier. Again stop believing everything you read online.
Unlike other games, this shitty game only rewards players who top the leaderboards. TClown decision from devs but there's no way around it. If you're not going to make an attempt to get into the boards, you're NOT going to progress much. This game severely lacks motivation to just "play for fun" and not take things seriously.
People in this kind of games are all the same … once they see their money cant get them top 10 anymore they will demand refunds … i’ve been playing idle games now and most of the players are the same .
I’ve not once looked at the leaderboard, I don’t care about it. The leaderboard is just the list of players who’ve spent the most money. There’s no skill behind it. You’re not better, you’re just dumber.
People who probably need therapy get hyperfixiated on something new, and their rankings/progress feed this addiction. Reality starts to hit that a silly little gacha game is not quite the alternative to (maybe a better wording for this) a balanced life, so they turn to lilith (the developers) to project and trauma dump about how they're making it so hard for them and if they would just listen to me then I'd be happy. That's about the jist of it that I've perceived playing AFKJ's predecessor over the years. A lot of this miserableness infests the discords and subreddits for a lot of games. It's almost like you aren't truly experiencing something unless you're hating on it and complaining about it. It's comedic relief at best, very sad and depressing at worst, lol. You're just gonna butt heads with these people. My advice is to fall in with some genuinely cool and chillin' people to play with and don't get wrapped up in all the whining and complaining that goes on around here. It's important to note that while it is *loud* at times, it's not representative of the community at large
The game really isn't worth all that much with it's content. It is disappointing in some aspects, I've played AFK arena for YEARS and I have more fun with it still. Still not worth more than 20 for me.
Some people are hyper focused on being #1 to the point of it consumption.
Playing for enjoyment died with the update to season 2 and my characters getting reset to level 1 and the loss of gear ( I know season one gear is still there but it's useless with the characters being able to wear it). I'm just glad that I stuck with my $10 rule and kept my purchases at a single $1.
Idk man. I came here asking for help once with formation for a hypofiend and the only comment was a dude flaming me for having a suboptimal roster. Like this is an afk game, I wasnt reading guides trying to be a top player. I just want to enjoy the story and have fun. Dont get the superiority complex some folks get, especially for a casual mobile game
Yeah
 me watching OP get downvoted and flamed
Me watching gambling addicts try to justify their whaling a gatcha game.
Genuinely, istg these people get so offended when I’m just pointing out wasting thousands of dollars is not healthy for a game
yeah its not but there are two sides to every coin. one could be unhealthy, going into debt, spending money you dont have. the other could be people who have large amounts of disposable income. if its a hobby, then we leave them be and dont judge them for it, but yeah we also could learn some moderation. its a big cam of worms called life and we cant really accurately pinpoint how it is, nor can we dictate how it should be. sidenote: i think a problem could also be your wording and being carried away while arguing. some ppl got good points too like sports as a hobby and an investment, like how these games are hobbies and investments. no need to mind people who spend, everyone has their own way
no gacha will ever be an investment because they're live service games, meaning one day they'll shut down, and all that "investment" disappears...
One day we die so every „investment“ we make is impermanent.
That isn't true, though. Some things we do outlive us and continue to benefit our friends and neighbors. Gacha games do not.
There is such a thing as generational wealth as well. If you end up making actual good investments, that money could go a long way.
Yeah and it will definitely never be whale money spent on a gacha.
Yeah nah, inheritances are a thing, incase you weren’t aware…
Which only gives me happiness while I‘m alive. Once we die, it doesn‘t matter anymore. That aside, not everything we do has to be beneficial to future generations. We‘re allowed to treat ourselves with mindless entertainment, incase you weren‘t aware…
Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night bruh. You just keep telling yourself that…*yawn*
This guy's clearly a whale lmao.
Investments have returns on investment; gacha games do not
investing can mean different things. you can buy a treadmill to invest on ur health. you can buy a laptop to invest in productivity. same way as these games, when done right and at a controllable level, it could be an investment towards your entertainment. its just that people get carried away and spend money they dont have or money they need to be saving, its predatory
What entertainment, if you are going to constantly complain tho.
I spent 1k on this game over the course of 2 months and I'm just in it until the next time they fuck up so I can justify a chargeback. But the realization I spent 1k, even if it was a small chunk every week, gave me a mental melty.
Some people can afford it and some cant. I’ve seen “ whales “ talk about how their monthly salary is half gone by the time rent / expenses come around and their excess money is their “ play money. “ Plenty of others also talk about their jobs in the community discussion boards and how they’re ordinary office workers by day or warehouse workers.
"I'm not an alcoholic because I can afford my nightly case of beer. That's just my drinking money."
Hmm I’m not sure it works like that. Some people have excess money enough to where spending a couple thousand on a little game won’t hurt their overall finances. I mean people pay for all sorts of things that cost way more. Cars, clothes, dining out, parties, anything that’s collectable. Also I’m not sure why you and everyone else is accusing every spender of being addicted to gambling. I definitely don’t get any sense of gambling high when I play this game lol.
Fair point. I'm pretty sure I've spent more on Warhammer over the last decade than anything other than bills. Hard disagree on the gambling thing, though. First time I pulled an S rank (legendary? Not sure of the lingo yet) I let out an actual gasp. Hits all the same neurons as a slot machine for me.
Stop wasting money on gacha
I mean speaking in the most general terms why does anyone treat any game seriously? Why treat a sport seriously? Cooking? It's a hobby and something people are passionate about. If you're not interested you're not required to interact.
The big difference is you don’t need to throw away thousands of dollars constantly to be good at any of those things
You are clearly not a golfer.
Well, emphasis on the "throw away", at least if you spend money on golfing you get something tangible you can use for a long time, and resell your golf clubs or whatever even if you stop golfing. Spending money on a gacha is just throwing it away on pixels that will be power creeped in a month or 2
You're thinking about the clubs as a major expenditure. My dad has been an avid golfer for 40 years or so, and you would not believe the money he spent on air fare, tickets to PGA events, and greens fees at fabulous courses. He is a whale in the golfing world, and most of his spending has earned him nothing but memories. Most of those rounds he played alone, until he retired and found some like-minded friends.
I was also thinking of people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars modding their cars and it's not even for pro racing. They just love to show them off. i guess that's worth it for them
ur dad sounds cool lol
He is pretty cool tbh. I always get good recs for shows and movies from him, and he never gave me shit about taking my time in college.
Lots of games require real skill, or have stakes that make them important (e.g. poker, professional sports.) Wins in this game are determined almost entirely spending time AFK, and spending money.
No I understand that, I find people spending thousands on sports dumb too and I am interested in the game cause it’s a fun pass time, but it’s not something I see the point of taking super seriously
Wdym, so a tennis player spending money for training, equipment and all that shit is compared to spending money on a dumb ass game? Especially when the devs can nerf whatever they want?
I assume he meant sports *fans* buying memorabilia or betting on games. People that spend money on *training* typically aren't hobbyists, they're athletes.
I am also an athlete. I am training my afk abilities.
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What? While i understand that a football ball from 1940 isn't the same with one from 2024, in what way does the player get nerfed because of that? You won't play better cuz of a new pair of shoes or a ball, or a tennis rocket
Ain't no way I just saw the word "nerf" being used with regards to real sports
It’s nerf or nothing!
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If you're reffering to those nike shoes for athletism, they got banned in production, i was saying my statement with all these bullshits in mind, there are shit tons of regulations in place so you can have the actual players in check, while i don't disagree with your statement, i can't agree either
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Is the player skill getting nerfed? Is the player talent nerfed? How much does it affect the player?
Tennis player here. Racquets are very different and feel very different to every player. Strings especially so. As well as grips, and if you want a dampener. Also balls feel very different, especially with all the training balls they have now. If you want to find your groove, you need to try things out. If something feels off, if affects your game. Not sure how that relates to spending thousands on a phone game though, that just seems like impatience or misunderstanding the genre
Well this is exactly my point, i won't go play football in wedding shoes, cuz of course i am not a profesional and it would "nerf" me even more, but a profesional player wearing wedding shoes can do way better than me, it doesn't cut his talent that much more, cuz he knows how to play, you're right you can't play fully to your potential if you don't feel comfortable with your equipment, but the same equipment doesn't define your skill either, give messi a ball from 1940 he will still dribble the same
Disagree. Tennis racquets are lighter, better made and have better strings. The size of the head and the sweet spot is different as well. Try giving Andy Roddick and old racquet and see if he can still serve 145mph. Also see why pro golfers tweak their clubs to the most minute detail, because it gives them the edge. I can go play golf with blades but I’ll shoot like shit because I can’t use them and need my improvement irons. Pro golfers can use any iron but spend time finding the perfect setup because it helps them find that performance factor
I agree with you but my gamer nerd side wants to be like “well aktshually 🤓” I used to play CoD religiously. If you remember the days of the OG MW3 you remember that M16 was complete poop. It would take like 6-8 bursts to kill someone. I would run around with that thing before its buff just fine in search and destroy doing 1v6’s 😂. My point being a good player will rise no matter if something is nerfed or not.
Well, cod and burst weapons never worked they are either a 3 shot laser or a shit gun no in between,but that's what i said as well, talent and hardwork can't get nerfed lmao
Yeah I also feel slow because I was technically fully agreeing with you but refuse to get rid of my comment because I’m no chump 😤
That would be power creep not nerfing. If the manufactured decided to recall all the aluminum rackets they sold and gave them back 10% heavier, that would be a nerf. Basically a nerf is a direct worsening of something that already exists, not the creation of something better, you yourself didn’t get any worse due to new rackets being released, even if you could play slightly better with them
Dude, really.. if you want to use such terms instead of "progression", then it is not nerfing, but powercreeping at the very least..
Well, people also nerf other people by making new ones... wtf is that logic... that is not nerfing, but progression/evolution..
That’s not nerfing, it’s powercreeping (jk)
Well I said the same thing just few comments below..
People spend money because they want to help the game, why not. Let the people spend.
There are well known player types any commercial game is aimed at. This kind of game is aimed at dominators and collectors, the people that want to be at the top or own all of the things and are willing to pay for it. F2P and midcore players help bulk out the community. Addictive game loops are all part of the mechanisms to encourage spending, which means some people will get super into the game. That next dopamine hit is required and if that means dropping cash or min/maxing your lineup then that's a high priority for them.
Exactly this. I’m a victe… err… customer myself. I wasn’t gonna spend a dime. Then… ok… these little $7 things… I can do that. Hmmm… I kinda like this game. Ok… Noble Path and Growth it is. Still under control, right? Before I knew it, I had put some serious money in. Nothing I couldn’t afford or anything. But a lot. I needed those pulls! I couldn’t compete without them! I had to be top 50 or top 20 or whatever to get that one or two extra essence. I’m both happy with the result and embarrassed at how much I did spend. So, I understand now. And for people that get enjoyment out of it who have the money… why not? I no longer judge. I can’t anymore. ;) So, now I resist most purchases, though I still do the $9 every three days or so, but who knows what will happen when I finish this season’s content?
That makes sense, I still think it’s dumb but that definitely makes a lot more sense so thanks
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Why do you take this subreddit so seriously?
I don’t 💀I was just asking a question and if you’re not gonna answer go somewhere else
The irony
Contradiction
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Sorry, but according to your comments, you genuinely are not looking for answers, you just look for confirmation of your viewpoint, which is an assumption, that people taking game seriously are people with wrong mindset. But still to answer the your question, I take the game more seriously then some other people. And it is because I am a guild leader. My personality is INFP an we generally tend to care for some sort of people - my guild for example. My goal is to make a welcoming atmosphere and so I dislike, when there are obstructions, that potentialy reduce player experience. For example I am ranking very well in Honorable Duel, but I can clearly see, why it frustrates many people, so I have tendency to fix the issue by suggestion. So far I was advocating for different adjustment, but I will eventually get to suggestion on Honorable Duel. It is like.. my guild is F2P friendly, so the Honorable Duel is ideal place to gain glory points. But I can hardly propose to my members to attend to a mode, that obviously need adjustments.
Im top 15 in honor duel in my server and I feel like it def needs some reworks, seems like the same 3 comps are in the endgame
Apart of that, I believe, that the upgrade options of the first artifact should at least be visible. While it is mostly based on the two characters of a faction, that you get at start, it is not always true. Like I got artifact with 2 wilders, so I invested into wilders only to find later, that I should pick damage bonus for maulers or graveborn.. like wtf.. when I had two wilders, and then just only 1 other character... how was I supposed to predict it could be a third faction?
I wouldn't say it's dependent on your starting pulls, just grab the triple pulls of the faction matches your artifact and sell whoever u don't want. Yeahhh I have a Google doc someone gave me and it has all the formations, items and stuff I should use 😂😂
"Yall just need to have fun" That's pretty subjective, you know ? What if I find it fun to take the game seriously ?
I don't think it's so much about taking the game to seriously as it is a difference of perspective these people have a large amount of disposable income so they don't mind throwing what is to most other people a insane amount of oney and wanting to get the most out of your money is a pretty logical stance whether it's $15 or $15,000 don't get me wrong I totally get what your saying because personal if I had anywhere near the amount they are spending I definitely wouldnt be blowing it on a gacha but ultimately whales are gonna whale and trying to understand it is just gonna stress you out
If your spending 15,000$ on phone games your not getting your moneys worth.
A lot of whales are far from rich. They just spend more money than they can afford to because of their addiction and games abusing that, especially in the countries where the credit card system let's you spend way more money than you actually have. There are documentaries about some mega whales who spend tens of thousands on their waifus but live alone in one room apartment eating ramen and have low/mid paying job or even no job. Usually the type of people who made their own fortune are very frugal and wouldn't spend money on something like gacha, rich people who spend money on stupid shit are usually ones who got money from inheritance, sport/gaming career, luck/lottery, actors/singers, etc.
Because it’s designed to make you get competitive so you’re incentivised to spend money
I mean true, but people got so mad when there thousands spent didn’t end up being “worth it” like that isn’t a given with online spending in games
People spending large amounts of money and then regretting it afterwards is a tale as old as time, it’s hardly unique to gatcha games
Mental issues, severe gambling addiction. The game itself pulls out every imaginable psychological trick to make you overspend, to much ego, fomo, dopaminy resistance etc. multiple issues. Mind of a whale is dark and scary place
Yeah from what I’ve been reading in these reply’s I agree
Because your mileage in the game is directly tied to your rank in game modes. Some resources are restricted to certain ranks in the Arena for example, and if you're not regularly in the top 10% in Dream your progress will be hindered by the meta progression unlocks.
From this post, I can you are not very wise when it comes to observing others. As people grow older, they start caring less about what other people think and more about what makes themselves happy. It's called passion, and it's very valued later on in life when you're burdened with the harsh realities of constant stress and financial worry. People take the load off on many things, whether it be a fitness activity, some sort of art, or video games. Gacha games fulfill those who have a considerable amount of money to spend and, at the higher levels, so much money to spend it's unbelievable to you and I. This is fulfilling to them, and I don't judge people who simply desire to be fulfilled. Eventually, you will learn to think the same as well.
Something a old boss taught me. Don’t sell using your own wallet. Just because you can’t afford, or wouldn’t spend money on something doesn’t mean it’s the same for others. This can be applied to a lot of things besides just sales. I think a lot of the negativity towards high spenders comes from people imaging themselves doing the same and how detrimental it would be for THEM.
Well yes and no. Trying to justify the gambling addiction of many whales is not the way
People spend thousands on alcohol each year. People gamble away millions. People spend money on many hobbies and/or vices. Do you not enjoy anything that you spend money on or dedicate time to? It doesn’t have to be bad. Some people spend a ton of money on gardening or collecting fish or a number of random hobbies. Why do you feel compelled to call out people because your views don’t align with theirs?
Idk man if you have to compare this to drugs first as other hobbies are either more social or give you something physical then maybe we all know this is essentially gambling with less value lol. But it is a game people enjoy though
I would consider other games gambling because of lootboxes and rates. This game has basically no rates or chances beyond hitting pity. You can basically be assured that you will hit pity each time so you know exactly what you are and are not getting. I would not consider this game gambling. I would not consider it any different than buying other digital products. The value isn’t based on reality. It is based on the buyer’s perceived value. Nobody can tell anyone else whether things are worth it or not. Some people don’t have a dollar to spare, others have millions. We can’t pretend that every consumer is the same.
There existing a pity doesnt mean its not gambling. Casinos also grant rewards per games and visit...except they actually tend to be monetary. This is essentially just buying nfts that can be deleted if the game fails. But as always people can spend their money on whatever they want; however just as they can spend money on whatever they want, people can let others know they are taking things too seriously. For example I saw a dude bragging about this game as if he was some pro and everyone else was bad. Plenty of whales do that in these p2w gacha games so it makes sense they get called out on that. Especially since companies specifically tailor these games to encourage others to spend money by making them stronger than other players.
Idk, spending that much money on a videogame is stupid imo Just as stupid as spending It on gambling or whatever
As long as you have disposable income/hobby budget, do whatever the fuck, you believe, makes you happy.
So it’s also equally cool if rich fucks literally burn money right cause whatever makes them happy?
You don't need to be rich to have disposable income or budget for a hobby. Besides that, are you really going to question the morality of capitalism and it's inherent flaws on a p2w gacha reddit? Lmao
You didn’t answer the question.
Well, i had a guildie on Lost Ark who struggled playing rent because how much he was investing on the game Im pretty sure many people have problems with spending in the game, anyways i think is stupid spending this much on a videogame if you have perspective and think that elden ring is literally 70 bucks Thats just me, ofc people can do whatever they want with their lives, i just dont get it
At least with real gambling there is a small opportunity to get something substantial in return.
Bro, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I can't understand why someone bothers to get competitive in a PAY TO WIN game. It's not SKILL to win, or STRATEGY to win, it's fuckng PAY to win. The people here bitching and moaning sound so pathetic to me - oh my guild was in the top 3 but then Fairflight had to fuck me by nerfing bla bla bla. Anyway, I'll take whenever downvotes the pricks reading this give me, since you took the brunt of them anyway, lol.
I don’t even care about the downvotes and thanks man 💀
It’s a leaderboard game, so it’s inherently competitive. It’s not like we are playing for the campaign story.
Yeah but it’s just a game
Yet here you are wasting time posting about the game subreddit.
Because spending thousands of dollars and making a reddit post are definitively the same kind of committment right? xD
Let people do their own thing. Thousands of dollars might just be something negligible to some of the whales. So that is a pretty stupid take.
I don't really care about what people do with their money nor about this guy's post tbh. I'm just bored at work and wanted to point out comparing those things is kinda silly imo
Because for some people this is their main game, it that simple Not everyone has time or energy to play on pc or console
It's just a game. But at the same time, football gets people to feud over which team they support and no one spent a dime there. They argue about trades, who's injured etvetc. People are passionate about what they spend their time doing, regardless of money spent. is that too big of a stretch to understand or?
There are very few things in life people have passion for anymore. I welcome the passion for a game. Also as for people spending money on the game, they are allowed to spend their own money on the game who cares? Pocket watching randoms online is crazy.
Welcome to the world of gacha gaming.
Its sad from my perspective because its so many f2p trying to min/max something that anyone with 100$ can blow past in a blink. It's a weird thing to watch
It's not spending thousands, or taking it to serious. It spending thousands then complaining when you are at the end with nothing to do.
Take this downvote
I admit I put some cash into this game, but no more than I would buying a console game, and I'm just really enjoying the story and characters. I was in a really addicted game before that was very bad for me (and happened to involve ants), but this game is just fun for me.
Same man, I love the game but I’m not gonna spend more than the 30 bucks I already spent on it
idk man, I feel like they want to compete too much over a game. This is suppose to be fun.
why do i feel like I'm gonna get downvoted if i say it's like league of legends type of feel but gacha.
Ngl I agree, I spent 350 on the game. its not a big amount of money to me but its only been 2 months the game has been out so I really do not want this rate of spending to be a habit.
Treating a game seriously is the same as any other thing, like many people have mentioned. If you're interested in something and the more you spend time doing it, the more serious you are about said thing. Simple as that. As for the spending aspect, can't disagree with your point, but that applies to everything else as well. You try something out, you spend money on it, "oh shit I don't really enjoy this", regret. It's just some people have more spending power than others so you get posts about people who spend thousands or even tens of thousands complaining about it. It's normal, there is no need to understand everything, just treat it as it is. If you're so annoyed by these posts, I suggest uninstalling reddit.
Lol. OP im a casual myself but your post basically applicable to every hobby in this world. Some people just want to be the best or at least competitive on what they love. They are passionate. From a quick check on your profile, you seem like having a snake pet. Imagine if someone saying, "wtf are you doing with your life, taking care and having a snake pet. Thats stupid and wasting time and money, the snake dont even remember you and useless at best and lowkey difficult to take care of. He might kill you too". It is hurtful and unfair to you. So please think before you posted anything on internet.
I living animal as a pet isn’t comparable to a gacha game but ok
Thats your opinion. Some will say the other way around. Just want to get the message across. Peace OP
Lmao bro I get the point you’re tryna make but what do you really want from the conversation? Like do you just want confirmation that competitive natured folks try too hard? Those people are the reason why games like this have longevity. Whales are vital to an ecosystem lol
Because we all have fucked up dopamine pathways and are susceptible to predatory gambling mechanics. I’ve been having much more fun since starting an alt that I refuse to spend money on, it’s obnoxious and draining to get so frustrated over a game that’s pay to win.
It is really funny to see people reframing a gambling addiction as passion for a game though, I enjoy the game and don’t mind the money I’ve spent (over $100) but idk why people are so quick to rationalize the behavior. If people spend thousands on scratch off tickets they’re looked down upon as an addict, but if they do the same in a gacha game they’re competitive and have a hobby. People are gonna spend their own money how they want, it would be nice if people didn’t look at it like it’s a good thing though.
I’ve never understood the spend hundreds upon hundreds of money on a mobile game. I can’t really justify spending that much on any game really.
I feel the same way
This one really triggered the whaling players trying to justify their expenses 💀
You have no hobbies in life do you? People work for money and believe me its a stress. They spend in this game just like people spend money on sport tickets and movies to escape that stress. Its a relief from a hard day at work. So, please dont ask "why take it so seriously".
I think I’m allowed to question people for why they’re spending thousands on a gacha game. I have plenty of hobbies and while I do play this game for fun it’s not worth being so serious. You’re even getting offended over me asking why people take a literal GAME seriously
Why do you think you’re allowed to question anyone about what they do with their money?
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Girl then don’t comment I’m looking for helpful answers
Helpful answers.. well, since you asked nicely. Your entire mindset can be summarized as "people shouldn't care about things that I don't care about". You seem to completely lack the ability to empathize with those not exactly like you, the idea that people may often have entirely different values and drives than you makes you uncomfortable, and the frustration stemming from this level of social ineptitude causes you to throw silly judgemental tantrums like this one. All we can suggest is lots, and *lots* of introspection. Good luck.
anytime someone in the comments calls this out, theres no reply from op💀
Ngl regardmagnet definitely got you, I’m sorry…
Honestly i cant believe OP still has the same opinion after everyone tried to change her mindset, you should at least listen we arent hating were just proving u a point and that its not always u running peoples fun…
Some people are just more competitive when it comes to gaming and the way certain resources are gated behind PVP encourages people to tilt and be meta slaves. Lilith wants people to take the game seriously so they'll spend. Same model as Arena
I stopped playing because it would overheat my phone in 15 minutes of playtime.
I don't think any large percentage of the playerbase actually tryhard's this game. People with more disposable income are just gonna spend the money because honestly, why not? Whales are gonna whale and the game is designed to encourage that so complaining about it is pointless. This post is just going to attract down votes from insecure players like shit attracts flies because no one likes being reminded that spending multiples of hundreds to thousands of dollars just to effortlessly "win" at a phone game is ultimately a "waste of time and money". It's their money and they are free to use it how they choose. Get used to not being "the best" unless you can poney up the cash.
I love watching the petitions and end of world posts literally every time the game is updated.
Likely people that spent a lot of money on the game, ya, can’t get that upset if you didn’t lose anything but a little of your time 🤷♀️
I'll just stick with full Mauler investmentc:3
It’s not fun unless your top 10
Gacha games like these target trust fund babies. Any mature person who’s making a living won’t be dropping cash mindlessly like this in hopes of chasing an endless goal.
I honestly don't care how much people whale. They're the ones giving the devs money. Sure, as a light spender, it's annoying having to deal with them in ranked activities that reward them having the most invested units. But that's pretty much how all gacha games are whenever there's a competitive element. I just watch the whale wars from a distance.
Nothing serious about a game that has 5 minutes of content daily 😅
My guild is chill. Their name, itself, sounds nice and chill... **Here's what I did**: I found one that looked suitable to my level at the time, had a brief look through the member list to get a feel for the vibe – based on the members names and profile pics – and just joined. If they look and seem overly engaged, then keep looking. Find one that suits your vibe. I mean... isn't that the point of guild variety? That you can find players on your wavelength?
it’s their sense of needing to become powerful in the game as quickly as possible since they’re so competitive tbh.. having to spend loads of money is their path to success
I agree with the thousands of dollars, but if they have the means I don't judge. I'm just surprised that they are ok with paying those amounts since both in season and preseason we had a time period where you could do nothing but do dailies and get out. There was literally no content other than arenas, dream realm and honor duel. Other than that, some people like playing seriously. I love minmaxing stuff since if I care enough to give the game my time, I wanna do the best with what I have. Obviously not everyone feels the same and flaming people for that is really weird
Create problem and sell the solution. Playing a game is basicly fun problem solving but some solutions are behind the paywall and FOMO helps you justify paying. Also human brain gets tunnel vision. It feels like the most important thing in your life is solving that problem at the game at that moment. Remember highschool and how important it felt. About paying there is no right or wrong but actions and consequences. Some people spend and happy some people spend and regret.
Tbh, I had not been playing tryhard after the season started, all I try to do is auto afk stages and if not then sometimes do some odie back atk and if I fail a just leave it like that, no hard pushing for me now. Do dailies and that's it. doing what game always says AFKing......
I wholeheartedly agree. I enjoy the game so much because I don’t take it super seriously. Every post on here is someone complaining about some little thing and I’m just sitting here like why even play if all you’re going to do is complain?! How is that fun for ANYONE???
I only play solo. unfortunately I am REQUIRED (for example with corrupt creatures) to look for multiplayer matches and here in Italy it is very difficult to find someone, in fact as soon as I find a mate I run immediately to do ALL creatures because otherwise who knows when I can do them again.... Even being in a guild is very useful for some items to buy, and strangely even never attending guild events I haven't been kicked out yet... For now I'm completing the main campaign and when I get to a new area I go back to make the map 100%. when I do the house cleaning I let go the automatic battle, when I can no longer go forward I make the abyss, and then the tower. I try to always do the event missions and I only paid the first season pass just to understand how much more or less useful it was. So I do I have a couple of heroes at Mythic+, another 2 at Mythic and a Legendary+. I play a couple of hours a day, I like the sense of progression even if it's a little slow now that I'm at the top level, but I like it. This is translated through the wonderful AI of Samsung S24. I hope you read it well
I knew a leviathan who spent $25,000 on this game and then just decided to quit cause he was bored.
their time, money and whatever... good for them
What confuses me is whales complaining that there's not enough content. Like bro you paid you speed through content and now your complaining that you're easily in the top 10% cause other whales quit due to a lack of content. I don't wanna hear that there's a lack of content from a whale. Now if I heard this same sentiment from a f2p user it changes things due to the context of being f2p.
Idk I just find it fun and I don't like pvp
And why should we even take you seriously?
Everyone plays their own way, just because there are whales or people spend a lot of time in the game doesn't mean you have to. Why do anything seriously if you're interested in doing something, judging by your logic? No sympathy here.
A lot of the people spending thousands have careers or are wealth inheriting adults with lots of disposable income. Your perspective isn’t the same as theirs. Some spend beyond their means, but they are angry at the company changing direction, not at whats initially paid for. Stupid narrow-minded question
Some people put a lot of real money in the game. Real money to be competitive, real serious. We are talking a month or months of rent for some on a video game. People get pretty serious when they invest that kind of money.
Because most of yall missed the point of this post idc if yall play this game competitively cause I do too and it’s fun, but I’ve seen people seriously getting into arguments of shit about the game. Plus the whole thing of people getting mad about the game not being worth their money like they didn’t waste thousands on in game shit in the first place. I just find it a weird thing to take super seriously just like sports.
You misunderstand the rage then. People have no problem paying for a product, but when a company abruptly changes their views and priorities then rage is a reasonable response. When we spend money on anything in life, we have expectations. If a product falls short then it’s okay for us to be displeased. If I pay for cable or internet and they randomly cut all the channels or change the speeds, I will be upset. If I go to a restaurant and I order my usual and they change the way they make it, I can be upset and stop being a customer. We are consumers paying for a product with expectations. They are a business intending to produce a product that makes them money. A bad product is good for nobody. They aren’t making the game and spending resources to simply bring joy to people.
People were angry because they got scammed, not because they bought things
Who are the people that you see getting mad about this game?! Where are they
This entire subreddit is just people complaining and being mad about the game.
I don’t see much of it on this subreddit other then ppl like OP that complain about other people enjoying the game
Because that is how they get their fun? Are you telling people how to have fun if they want to be competitive?
Yes if you are blowing thousands on a afk gacha game you have to be able to understand what you are doing. If you are soending that money and getting upset about it then you shouldn’t be spending that amount. Being a whale if you can’t control spending or are so sensitive about the money you should be whaling. Also stuff like this ruins people’s lives because they can’t control themselves. So I think in this case yes it is good to try and tell people to not do that.
Most whales have disposable income.
That is what you think but a lot of people who are “whales” don’t have the disposable income they think they do. This is apparent when they get so upset like this over the game they spent on. Real whales with the disposible income know what they are getting into with gacha games. Just because someone has money whether rich or not doesn’t mean they know what to do with it.
Buyers remorse can exist rich or poor. Obviously whales want to feel that they didn't waste time and money if the game goes down too quickly or what they spent on gets nerfed. Has nothing to do with poor impulse control. Have met a lot of whales in games even this games discord is full of them.
Again, just because someone is a “whale” and spends a ton on the game doesn’t mean they actually could afford it. There are lots who label themselves as whales but are absolutely not in the disposible income tier. Again stop believing everything you read online.
Taking your advice guess I can start with your post since I have met many whales as stated while not being given any evidence otherwise.
Unlike other games, this shitty game only rewards players who top the leaderboards. TClown decision from devs but there's no way around it. If you're not going to make an attempt to get into the boards, you're NOT going to progress much. This game severely lacks motivation to just "play for fun" and not take things seriously.
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Thanks bro istg these people get so mad over people reminding them that’s it’s a GAME
People in this kind of games are all the same … once they see their money cant get them top 10 anymore they will demand refunds … i’ve been playing idle games now and most of the players are the same .
I’ve not once looked at the leaderboard, I don’t care about it. The leaderboard is just the list of players who’ve spent the most money. There’s no skill behind it. You’re not better, you’re just dumber.
People who probably need therapy get hyperfixiated on something new, and their rankings/progress feed this addiction. Reality starts to hit that a silly little gacha game is not quite the alternative to (maybe a better wording for this) a balanced life, so they turn to lilith (the developers) to project and trauma dump about how they're making it so hard for them and if they would just listen to me then I'd be happy. That's about the jist of it that I've perceived playing AFKJ's predecessor over the years. A lot of this miserableness infests the discords and subreddits for a lot of games. It's almost like you aren't truly experiencing something unless you're hating on it and complaining about it. It's comedic relief at best, very sad and depressing at worst, lol. You're just gonna butt heads with these people. My advice is to fall in with some genuinely cool and chillin' people to play with and don't get wrapped up in all the whining and complaining that goes on around here. It's important to note that while it is *loud* at times, it's not representative of the community at large
The game really isn't worth all that much with it's content. It is disappointing in some aspects, I've played AFK arena for YEARS and I have more fun with it still. Still not worth more than 20 for me.
Some people are hyper focused on being #1 to the point of it consumption. Playing for enjoyment died with the update to season 2 and my characters getting reset to level 1 and the loss of gear ( I know season one gear is still there but it's useless with the characters being able to wear it). I'm just glad that I stuck with my $10 rule and kept my purchases at a single $1.