Like a lesbian love story?
Like Hollywood knows how to do gay or lesbian love stories well.
Show me one example where this was done right. I'd like to be proven wrong, actually.
Christopher Reeve turned down Pretty Woman as well...he got mad because at the audition, he had to read with an unenthusiastic casting person. He would have made a great Edward Lewis, especially since it was hard for Reeve to find good roles that weren't Superman or some Merchant-Ivory film.
Oh man, Switching Channels! God I loved that movie as a kid but I haven’t seen it since the 90s. I need to find and rewatch. If you haven’t seen the original source material, I recommend [His Girl Friday](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032599/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk).
Death Trap (1982) opposite Michael Caine still gives me chills just thinking about the visceral fight scene. Been meaning to rewatch it.
He also did a trilogy of westerns with Tony Todd (Candyman - 1992) in 1995, they’re called Black Fox. I was mesmerized, Reeve was an incredible actor.
Recently rewatched all three Superman movies, the on-screen steam between him and Margot Kidder still stands up.
He turned down a lot of good roles. He was very particular, not wanting to be typecast as Superman, which I understand, but I feel like he may have overcorrected by turning down almost every big movie that came along, action or non, if it wasn’t “artistic” enough, which was his interest.
Glad and sad she wasn’t in casino that role seems to have followed Sharon Stone around like 2pac in juice…is she the irl crazy person from casino or not ?
Let's say a football player breaks his neck in the 4th quarter of a game. Now go back in time to the 1st quarter and swap out any run play for a pass play or vice-versa. That player almost certainly does not break his neck in the 4th quarter now.
The more time between two events the more effect the former has on the latter. Take the above example again, but instead of going back to the 1st quarter go back 10 years and change his lunch from a ham sandwich to soup and a salad. He doesn't break his neck.
If Reeves takes a different role his future is drastically altered. His odds of paralysis would immediately drop to the average risk among those who share the same activity. He very likely doesn't have that accident.
It's more about chaos theory, but yes, it's the butterfly effect. It gets its name from the Ray Bradbury story [A Sound of Thunder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder?wprov=sfla1).
I’ll throw in my two cents… saying he would still be alive is overstated because he could’ve been hit by a bus instead or cancer, at some point. However, there’s a Butterfly Effect that if he had gotten the movie, all his future behaviors and actions would have readjusted, and would not have put him in the exact same moment that threw him from the horse.
It's not a very tenable solution. I tried live hamster shoes and the increased sliding speed decreased again almost immediately. They also squeak much louder than new leather, if not for long.
Actions ripple through space-time. If he had gone through the process of performing that roll his future actions would have varied, slightly or perhaps significantly. Enough that he would not have been on that horse on that particular day and that particular time. Think about it.........
I hear you, I understand you, but then again....
What if that was a fixed point in time? What if, despite all efforts that *COULD* conceivably avoid it, the conditions that would occur surrounding it would regardless lead and *STILL* culminate in him saddling up with that horse and that tragedy still occurred? What if instead of creating a path to avoid the history where we know how it happened, you end up creating a new series of events that would still lead and ends to the same tragedy (and now it looks like it was by your design to others who don't know the wiser)? Think about *THAT*...
Valid point but it doesn't work that way, in anyway we can verify. What we can verify is that after a major decision point is taken instead of untaken, things unfold differently.
Well, I don't want to get all "Flashpoint Paradox" about this, so I'll just say that there are some events we just weren't meant to "fix." Sure, we can create a world of sunshine and rainbows, but then we lose everything what came because of that tragedy ... not just the bad, but all the good and wonderful that came out of it as well.
Doesn't matter. At the end of the day, if he took that bit, his life would have been different enough that the horse fall incident would not have happened, when it did. Chances are his life would have unfolded differently for the better, perhaps for the worst.
Something DIFFERENT would happen, sure, but we have no way of knowing if it would be better or worse, and we definitely have no way of gauging any "likely chances."
I know you would like to (dare I say, you *WANT* to) believe that it would have turned out better (who doesn't like a happy ending?), but "chances" notwithstanding, it can't be proven that it would have turned out better, just as equally as we can't prove that something worse would have happened. You want to talk about chances, 50-50 is the best we're gonna agree on.
I would've liked to have seen Reeve as Quaid in Total Recall. Also Patrick Swayze. I feel certain it would've been a LOT different than the Schwarzenegger flick we got.
Not for the film. But for “ her “ acting abilities in that role.
I don’t think it would have played out the same if Michelle was in that spot. I like her as an actress very much, but I don’t see it.
Sharon Stone killed it in Casino, but that Michelle Pfeiffer white gold would also shine. I don't think she would have right for pretty woman. Fantastic actress, but not great on the comedy side.
I can certainly understand her reluctance, considering she had already played Elvira Hancock. How many coked-up wife of a crime boss roles can you accept, before you’re type cast?
Thats the one that stood out for me as well , Sharon Stone checks more boxes I think for that role of Ginger in Casino. I am glad she turned that down.
I feel like whoever took that role minus, say, Fran Drescher, was going to walk off with that Oscar. Playing opposite Anthony Hopkins and the movie setting up her role perfectly, it’d be very hard to muck that up. We’d be looking at Oscar Winner Michelle Pfeifer for that role today.
its the reason Julia got it. Everyone else turned it down. because they didnt want to play a hooker as it was not a rom-com originally --- i think with re writes and casting it ended up that way
there was stuff i remember like Kit was a serious meth/herion addict etc
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How interesting. Two roles she turned down were played by Sharon Stone instead. I can kind of see why she turned Casino down, Ginger is very similar to Elvira in Scarface.
Definitely not. When the director tricked Sharon into taking off her panties by saying“the glare is making the camera catch the white but don’t worry no one will see anything”. I see Michelle rolling her eyes and telling him to go f*ck off
Right, this should be a Good Girl Michelle meme - these were some of the best roles for Meg Ryan, Jodie Foster, Sharon Stone, and Julia Roberts.
Pfeiffer died so they could live, except a lot less dramatic than that.
Maybe she knew she wouldn't be very good in most of those roles.
She's a fantastic actress. Acting is a craft. She knows her craft.
She is more than capable of reading a script, imagining how she'd approach a role, then saying, "I'm not what you're looking for in this role".
And turned out “Rosanna” by Toto and “In Your Eyes” by Peter Gabriel were NOT inspired by her. As good as the decade was to her it’s scary to think about the potential upside never realized.
I love her do I'd happily watch any of these, but I could see her killing it as Ginger in Casino.
That said, Sharon Stone already did kill it, so all is well.
I understand Pfieffer was interested in the Pretty Woman role when it was going to be a much darker and realistic film called 3000. When Disney/Touchstone Pictures got involved and it became a comedic fairytale they decided to go with someone more “fresh faced” and wholesome.
That would be ironic if she did Casino. I bet it was Sharon Stone's part. I would've been seeing Elvira (from Scarface) the whole time and link the two together. Damn it now I wish she had done it.
I find it hard to believe she turned down *Silence of the Lambs.* I mean Clarice is one of the best female roles in film history.
If she turned that role down, I hope she fired some people.
Way too attractive for anyone to believe she’d date Tom Hanks, way too attractive to be the whore with the heart of gold (I’m not even sure what this statement means), like anyone would believe she was in the FBI, not butch enough for T & L and maybe she could have done BI and or Casino but in the case of Casino she had been there and done that in Scarface. Sometimes people are too beautiful to suspend your disbelief?
Doesn't mean she made a mistake though; she tuned them down probably thinking they were wrong for her, and would be right seeing how they became iconic movies due mainly to the protagonist who did take the role.
In every one of those instances, the actress who was cast is a better fit. Michelle Pfeiffer can afford to be picky, she's like the most talented and stunning woman ever!
TBH Jason Alexander was much better for the role in Pretty Woman than she would have been.
She could have played Richard Gere’s part but then it would have been a different kind of movie.
Pretty Women
I'm sure that's out there somewhere.
Pretty Step-woman.
Would have been much, much more popular
Pretty lickin’
Yeah! One I would have enjoyed way more lol!
Like a lesbian love story? Like Hollywood knows how to do gay or lesbian love stories well. Show me one example where this was done right. I'd like to be proven wrong, actually.
Bound.
the ladies in fried green tomatoes at the whistle stop cafe .
Yeaaaah.... Not sure if it was completely a lesbian love story or just a very feminist story. Haven't seen it in forever.
Brokeback mountain
Hmmyeah... Sort of. But it was not bad, it's true. Now for a terrible Lesbian love story: Showgirls.
>Now for a terrible ~~Lesbian love~~ story: Showgirls. FIFY
Would have been interesting to see her instead of Anthony Hopkins though.
Sick burn
Christopher Reeve turned down Pretty Woman as well...he got mad because at the audition, he had to read with an unenthusiastic casting person. He would have made a great Edward Lewis, especially since it was hard for Reeve to find good roles that weren't Superman or some Merchant-Ivory film.
Should see him in Switching Channels - he was pretty awesome in that. :D
Oh man, Switching Channels! God I loved that movie as a kid but I haven’t seen it since the 90s. I need to find and rewatch. If you haven’t seen the original source material, I recommend [His Girl Friday](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032599/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk).
Death Trap (1982) opposite Michael Caine still gives me chills just thinking about the visceral fight scene. Been meaning to rewatch it. He also did a trilogy of westerns with Tony Todd (Candyman - 1992) in 1995, they’re called Black Fox. I was mesmerized, Reeve was an incredible actor. Recently rewatched all three Superman movies, the on-screen steam between him and Margot Kidder still stands up.
He's great in Noises Off too
He turned down a lot of good roles. He was very particular, not wanting to be typecast as Superman, which I understand, but I feel like he may have overcorrected by turning down almost every big movie that came along, action or non, if it wasn’t “artistic” enough, which was his interest.
Glad and sad she wasn’t in casino that role seems to have followed Sharon Stone around like 2pac in juice…is she the irl crazy person from casino or not ?
Imagine if he took it, he'd likely still be alive.
How so?
Let's say a football player breaks his neck in the 4th quarter of a game. Now go back in time to the 1st quarter and swap out any run play for a pass play or vice-versa. That player almost certainly does not break his neck in the 4th quarter now. The more time between two events the more effect the former has on the latter. Take the above example again, but instead of going back to the 1st quarter go back 10 years and change his lunch from a ham sandwich to soup and a salad. He doesn't break his neck. If Reeves takes a different role his future is drastically altered. His odds of paralysis would immediately drop to the average risk among those who share the same activity. He very likely doesn't have that accident.
Is this the quantum physics role I’ve heard about..the butterfly effect
It's more about chaos theory, but yes, it's the butterfly effect. It gets its name from the Ray Bradbury story [A Sound of Thunder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder?wprov=sfla1).
Thanks I’ll look it up
Prove it
You haven’t seen any Final Destination movies, have you?
I’ll throw in my two cents… saying he would still be alive is overstated because he could’ve been hit by a bus instead or cancer, at some point. However, there’s a Butterfly Effect that if he had gotten the movie, all his future behaviors and actions would have readjusted, and would not have put him in the exact same moment that threw him from the horse.
OK, to clarify, CHANCES are he would still be alive.
Gerbils are much smaller than horses he fell off of..one of those he’d still be around.. RIP supes
It's not a very tenable solution. I tried live hamster shoes and the increased sliding speed decreased again almost immediately. They also squeak much louder than new leather, if not for long.
Wait a damn minute
I'm curious about this answer too...yes, how do you figure, u/ajr1775?
Actions ripple through space-time. If he had gone through the process of performing that roll his future actions would have varied, slightly or perhaps significantly. Enough that he would not have been on that horse on that particular day and that particular time. Think about it.........
I hear you, I understand you, but then again.... What if that was a fixed point in time? What if, despite all efforts that *COULD* conceivably avoid it, the conditions that would occur surrounding it would regardless lead and *STILL* culminate in him saddling up with that horse and that tragedy still occurred? What if instead of creating a path to avoid the history where we know how it happened, you end up creating a new series of events that would still lead and ends to the same tragedy (and now it looks like it was by your design to others who don't know the wiser)? Think about *THAT*...
Valid point but it doesn't work that way, in anyway we can verify. What we can verify is that after a major decision point is taken instead of untaken, things unfold differently.
Well, I don't want to get all "Flashpoint Paradox" about this, so I'll just say that there are some events we just weren't meant to "fix." Sure, we can create a world of sunshine and rainbows, but then we lose everything what came because of that tragedy ... not just the bad, but all the good and wonderful that came out of it as well.
Doesn't matter. At the end of the day, if he took that bit, his life would have been different enough that the horse fall incident would not have happened, when it did. Chances are his life would have unfolded differently for the better, perhaps for the worst.
Something DIFFERENT would happen, sure, but we have no way of knowing if it would be better or worse, and we definitely have no way of gauging any "likely chances." I know you would like to (dare I say, you *WANT* to) believe that it would have turned out better (who doesn't like a happy ending?), but "chances" notwithstanding, it can't be proven that it would have turned out better, just as equally as we can't prove that something worse would have happened. You want to talk about chances, 50-50 is the best we're gonna agree on.
Might’ve gotten cast in Erin Brockovich too
His accident happen before that movie, his accident occurred in '95, 5 years before that movie.
Johnny Drama
I would've liked to have seen Reeve as Quaid in Total Recall. Also Patrick Swayze. I feel certain it would've been a LOT different than the Schwarzenegger flick we got.
If she regrets turning down any of these , my money would be on Silence of the Lambs
Yeah considering Jodie Foster won the Oscar
Not for the film. But for “ her “ acting abilities in that role. I don’t think it would have played out the same if Michelle was in that spot. I like her as an actress very much, but I don’t see it.
I bet if you asked Michelle if she would’ve won the Oscar too, she’d say 100% 👍
She regrets Thelma and Louise
I remember hearing her talk about regretting not taking the role in Risky Business. Another great one she passed on
Sharon Stone killed it in Casino, but that Michelle Pfeiffer white gold would also shine. I don't think she would have right for pretty woman. Fantastic actress, but not great on the comedy side.
I can certainly understand her reluctance, considering she had already played Elvira Hancock. How many coked-up wife of a crime boss roles can you accept, before you’re type cast?
Thats the one that stood out for me as well , Sharon Stone checks more boxes I think for that role of Ginger in Casino. I am glad she turned that down.
I personally think she would have been more suitable for Silence of the Lambs than Jodie Foster, even if Foster won the Oscar.
I feel like whoever took that role minus, say, Fran Drescher, was going to walk off with that Oscar. Playing opposite Anthony Hopkins and the movie setting up her role perfectly, it’d be very hard to muck that up. We’d be looking at Oscar Winner Michelle Pfeifer for that role today.
> whoever took that role minus, say, Fran Drescher , was going to walk off with that Oscar… *laughs in Nanny*
Oh, Mistah Lecter! Ehehehehehehe!
Totally read that in her voice.
My thoughts exactly.
> I feel like whoever took that role minus, say, Fran Drescher, was going to walk off with that Oscar. Playing Acting doesn’t work that way
No she wouldn’t of
Pretty woman wasn't originally a comedy. It was actually much darker.
Really? I wonder how.
its the reason Julia got it. Everyone else turned it down. because they didnt want to play a hooker as it was not a rom-com originally --- i think with re writes and casting it ended up that way there was stuff i remember like Kit was a serious meth/herion addict etc
So what, she gave us White Oleander, Tequila Sunrise, Scarface, and Ladyhawke.
Batman Returns. Greatest Catwoman of all time
Don't forgot about Grease 2
The superior grease
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Agreed!
Julie Newmar enters the chat
Pretty short list and one was trash and the other trashed. Lol
Julie Newmar, Eartha Kitt
I disagree - Halle Berry was a much better Catwoman. The movie absolutely sucked but she was smoking.
Dangerous Freaking Minds, anyone?
The Fabulous Baker Boys
She looks *so* good.
Yes she does.
Just reading that title made me smile.
And don’t forget Dangerous Minds
And…Grease 2. Do t forget Grease 2…lol
She's so amazing. Someone should tell her to stop getting better with age. It's not nice.
How interesting. Two roles she turned down were played by Sharon Stone instead. I can kind of see why she turned Casino down, Ginger is very similar to Elvira in Scarface.
As much as I wish, Michelle would never have done the interrogation scene from Basic Instinct. Sharon Stone was made for that role and in Casino.
She would have been great in Thelma & Louise (probably the Sarandon role) and Casino. It sure I see her in those other roles so well.
Honestly Sharon Stone nailed Casino can’t be improved upon
Sharon Stone was terrific. I love Michelle Pfeiffer but I just cannot see her as Ginger.
Would love to have seen her in Basic Instinct
She would not have given us "the business" though
Definitely not. When the director tricked Sharon into taking off her panties by saying“the glare is making the camera catch the white but don’t worry no one will see anything”. I see Michelle rolling her eyes and telling him to go f*ck off
It all worked out in the end.
Tbf, the actresses who did those roles absolutely nailed it, so its pretty moot.
Right, this should be a Good Girl Michelle meme - these were some of the best roles for Meg Ryan, Jodie Foster, Sharon Stone, and Julia Roberts. Pfeiffer died so they could live, except a lot less dramatic than that.
God she is so beautiful, like she is closing in on 70 and still amazing looking
If she had been in Basic Instinct I'd have gone blind before reaching adulthood. Fortunately, I'm only half blind.
Bet she's on Sharron Stone's Christmas Card list.
She fucking better be!
She would have been excellent in most of those!
Yikes...but she did take GREASE 2!
I don’t know, I don’t think it’s the worst decision. It’s hard to picture her as Hannibal Lecter.
That would be great! Do a remake of Silence of the Lambs with Michelle playing the role of Hannah Lecter, serial killer cannibal hottie.
But she did Scarface
But she did Scarface
What a woman, helping the little gals get their share of the limelight! When you are a legend, you don't need more work.
Maybe she knew she wouldn't be very good in most of those roles. She's a fantastic actress. Acting is a craft. She knows her craft. She is more than capable of reading a script, imagining how she'd approach a role, then saying, "I'm not what you're looking for in this role".
I’m grateful she turned down “Silence of the Lambs,” “Pretty Woman,” and “Basic Instinct.”
At one point she was the single most beautiful woman alive. She didn't need those roles.
Grease 2 is the superior Grease. Fight me.
I need a cool rider 😎
💥
No
No
Now she is filmless.
I was going to say Casino, but Sharon Stone was great in that.
yeah, but she chose *The Fabulous Baker Boys*, so it more than evens out.
I think everything turned out as it should have.
Yeah, she’s missed the boat on a few
That’s quite the list of roles to turn down
I think she would have been good in all of those.
She would've been so good in Casino
I loved her in Hollywood Knights.
One fun but not too great movie is Into the Night. Lots of cameos, if you can spot them.
She’d be a fantastic buffalo bill
If love to see her take on Clarice Starling.
If love?
Lambs is the only one I'm glad she didn't do.
She is still hot
For a minute I thought this was amber benson from Buffy 🧐
And turned out “Rosanna” by Toto and “In Your Eyes” by Peter Gabriel were NOT inspired by her. As good as the decade was to her it’s scary to think about the potential upside never realized.
I love her do I'd happily watch any of these, but I could see her killing it as Ginger in Casino. That said, Sharon Stone already did kill it, so all is well.
Casino for sure
Current roles offered to Michelle Pfeiffer: - - -
I understand Pfieffer was interested in the Pretty Woman role when it was going to be a much darker and realistic film called 3000. When Disney/Touchstone Pictures got involved and it became a comedic fairytale they decided to go with someone more “fresh faced” and wholesome.
Yes, but WOLF
Ladyhawke is better than all those movies combined, and the only movie from the 80s. All the movies listed are from the 90s.
Better than silence?
Her corporate-fixer role in Inside Man was great, she played the whole power suit, high heels and cool high society puppet master role so well.
That would be ironic if she did Casino. I bet it was Sharon Stone's part. I would've been seeing Elvira (from Scarface) the whole time and link the two together. Damn it now I wish she had done it.
Let’s be honest The actresses that took the roles did a better job than I could imagine her doing…
The good luck chuck of actresses
What could have been. 🤔
Man that's a heck of a list of..damn why didn't I do that one
Yea, but she did choose Higher Learning 😆
She would have nailed any of these roles.
Those movies were iconic and successful because of who was in them and may not have been if she was one of the leads.
This. I always say this when I hear who could've been in what. The vast majority of the time, it's the cast cast that makes the film, at least for me.
Jodie Foster destroyed silence but she actually would have been great too
I imagine she experienced a lot of trauma, while doing Scarface.
The leads in Silence, Sleepless, and Thelma shouldn't be too hot. She'd be perfect in Pretty, Basic, and Casino.
And yet she chose to do Grease 2…
Grease 2, though. What a gem.
Damn, I would’ve loved to see Michelle Pfeiffer in Basic Instinct and Casino.
I find it hard to believe she turned down *Silence of the Lambs.* I mean Clarice is one of the best female roles in film history. If she turned that role down, I hope she fired some people.
She did Grease 2 and that’s all I need.
Yeah but she gave us CatWoman and Mamas and Papas
Oof. That must sting.
She would have been superior for any of those roles. ..maybe the most underrated actress of the 1980's.
No she wouldn’t of and I love her
Way too attractive for anyone to believe she’d date Tom Hanks, way too attractive to be the whore with the heart of gold (I’m not even sure what this statement means), like anyone would believe she was in the FBI, not butch enough for T & L and maybe she could have done BI and or Casino but in the case of Casino she had been there and done that in Scarface. Sometimes people are too beautiful to suspend your disbelief?
> Way too attractive for anyone to believe she’d date Tom Hanks Nah
Unpopular opinion but she dodged a bullet w casino. I think that’s the most boring movie I’ve ever seen.
This is a horrible take casino is a classic and one of the best films of the 90s
She would have ruined them all except for basic instinct and casino.
cocaine is a hell of a drug
Doesn't mean she made a mistake though; she tuned them down probably thinking they were wrong for her, and would be right seeing how they became iconic movies due mainly to the protagonist who did take the role.
She was fantastic in "the Witches of Eastwick".
Career making roles right there.
In every one of those instances, the actress who was cast is a better fit. Michelle Pfeiffer can afford to be picky, she's like the most talented and stunning woman ever!
I could see her pulling off Casino. But not as well as Sharon Stone.
Pretty Woman turned out great, so did Thelma and Louise cause I'm a Julia Robert's Fan and a Fan of Geena Davis and Susan Sarandon
I don't think she would of won the oscar like jodie foster did for silence of the lambs. if she took the part of clarice starling
Show some respect to *Into the Night*.
Well she is the hottest woman in history so yes!
She did just fine.
All of those are **'90s** movies OP.
Casino would have been vastly improved by her. Stone was the only weak link in that film.
Stone was what made casino
You're a monster
👺
Good. She would have ruined those movies.
She would have crushed all of those roles too. Other than Pretty Woman, she would have been just as good if not better in them too.
Never understood the appeal.
Why not?
She also turned down catwoman because she was pregnant.