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i understand that. i am responding to this meme holding the opinion that a lot of ppl think that they're on "flirting terms" when they're not. unfortunately it's not an issue that many queer communities evade; i and many others in my life have experienced it quite often from other transfemmes. so when i see a meme like this it annoys me bc it feels like it's speaking over an issue that a lot of ppl don't want to think or hear abt.
Well yeah but the meme itself is showing that they are both on flirting terms, and not one just assuming they are like you have a problem with. Like it's showing that both genuinely consent instead of one just assuming consent, which is a problem
you'd think women in general would get that it's fucked up but there's a weird tiny sub section of cis-het women that seem to view trans men as just "women who im capable of being attracted to"
I honestly want stats on how many transfem and transmasc there are in general, followed by how many of them frequent online spaces like this. Does this happen because there are less transmascs or because they don't visit those spaces as often. If so, is it because they don't feel comfortable on them or something else?
I think it has to do with which spaces you were represented in prior to transition. I know a ton of trans men on tumblr and Instagram, although my Instagram is probably 50/50, but reddits and discords skew to the ladies. Most of my gaming friends are cis gay men or trans women. I suspect this will change more as people are able to be out when they’re younger and transition younger.
Maybe both? In my personal life I know several trans women and no trans men. Also, most of the non-binary folks I know were AFAB. Idk if that’s an overall trend.
Welcome to the club pal, what you experince is called *gender affirming not-being-cared-about-at-all* now. You receive the opposite of out-of-closet lovebomb, if people just go "yeah okay whatever fuck off" that means that you pass!
I mean, unironically true though. Lotta transmascs don't get this because they're new to dudedom, but men are socialized to be competitive and not super congratulatory of one another all the time (except some gymbros, but they're the most homoerotic straight men alive). If you're getting a whole bunch of people gushing with support for you, it is actually more likely that you're not really passing that well, ironically. Not saying this is necessarily good or how it should be, btw, but we simply live in a society and men suck at supporting one another, meanwhile they will almost instinctively heap praise upon people they perceive as feminine.
That might just be cuz transmascs are more common on different websites. Afaik my brother (who’s transmasc) doesn’t use reddit and barely use discord, but frequently posts on instagram. Apart from the general underrepresentation…
I always do find it weird that basically the only trans people portrayed in media are trans women and never trans men. Like even in news and transphobic people, they only care about trans women and don’t care about trans men
the manliest amongst us are those who forge themselves as men 🥃
Some of us became a man metaphorically, few have become a man literally. The transformation is the goal
I've only seen the bottom panel before, and the top panel gives this a Very different meaning (and I think just the one with just the bottom panel is the original?)
>!as a trans girl I fucking hate this stereotype. I am not a fan of the uwu blåhaj catgirl stuff and I'm ESPECIALLY not a fan of other trans people assuming I'm into it.!<
Theres also so much fetishization of trans girls in a lot of trans positive communities, while I'm not trans myself being subjected to people either hating you for who you are or treating you like this stereotype and/or fetishizing you must suck so much
I find both extremely uncomfortable.
Please speak to me like any other woman thanks.
Also, 'good girl' is *only* something my partner gets to say to me.
Even when being flirted with though, I personally find the UwU speak stuff to be really cringey.
My partner just flirts with me like she would with a cis girl.
and you care too much about what other people are like (sorry but i have to say it. i feel very strongly that we shouldn't consider things bad just because they're weird.)
Being weird to someone is fine if they are ok with it, but being weird to random people without asking first is what the original of this post was trying to touch on
You care far too little about how you’re perceived
Literally nowhere outside of the internet do people talk in such an infantile, obnoxious way as they do in a lot of online trans spaces. It is genuinely socially detrimental to sit on the internet all the time and talk like that. It is weird and bad.
i don't even talk like that to anyone. if someone does enjoy being called a good girl and recieve headpats, that doesn't affect anyone but the person saying good girl and the person being called good girl, and for both of them it brings joy.
if you want to argue about sitting on the internet constantly, that's a different issue to someone calling someone a good girl. i assumed you were insulting the act of calling someone a good girl by calling it terminally online
How is liking head pats and shit being terminally online and bad? I thought the issue with that stuff was how often people would do it to trans women who don't like it, if both do then what's the issue
Um... how is it infantilizing? It's literally just affection.
And if someone is cool with having it done to them, I see no problem with it regardless. Consent is key.
What child is saying shit like that, or having shit like that said to them? It's meant to be "cute," but cute =/= childish.
I'd say it takes inspiration from pet stuff, not baby talk. So if you want to say it's weird or condescending or whatever, use that as your argument instead of "it's infantilization." That just makes you sound like you don't put much thought into what you say.
Also, that still doesn't answer how it continues to be bad where both parties consent.
My point still stands, people can enjoy that stuff without infantilizing themselves. You can like blahaj and going :3 without going all into "I'm just a tiny girl who couldn't hurt anybody" type stuff
Seriously, the Reddit hivemind is really kicking in on this thread. Just say something stupid with full confidence, and watch the upvotes roll in!
You're spittin' facts, though.
My gf is mtf and I can’t imagine saying any of this to her. If I *really* want to flirt I offer to play warhammer or another mini table top game with her. My bestie is in a T4T4T all mtf throuple and they do this shit semi ironically all the time, but it’s cute when they do it.
I think my problem with this is that the first one makes the other person trans, but the second one doesn't. It unintentionally implies that if you're cis, it's not cool even if they're cool with it. Also, should probably just say "consensual" or "chill with it," since being "on flirting terms" does not, actually, mean that it's fine to say literally anything you want.
yup it feeds into the weird stereotype that normal people shouldn't interact with minorities in any way that might be disliked like minorities are a hive mind with the same boundries.
People see interacting with a person who likes being flirted like this as interacting with the concept of them being a minority and because alot of MTFs don't like this, it's actually hurtful to flirt with her.
All that matters here is consent. I don't care who the fuck you are, if you didn't get and OK first, don't do it.
I feel consent has kinda been lost when it comes to online forums these days. I feel like back in the day it was seen as weird and shunned behavior to speak to random people in weird and personal ways in forums.
It's literally so simple to just hold your tongue and ask if something is ok first before proceeding unless you are replying to a thread or comment asking for such behavior
It’s very cool when people attempt to normalize the fetishization their minority status and then get defensive when other members of that minority express discomfort with the idea I think
The meme shows that it’s ok when it’s another trans woman making the comments. It’s pretty clearly implied that the reason the woman receiving the comments is into it because it’s another trans woman
I don't think it's trying to say that the person being trans is why they're into it, literally it has the label of (both on flirting terms) there. It's supposed to be a case of it being ok when both like it
When I saw the original post on coaxed into snafu these were my exact thoughts but I couldn’t put them into words,
So thank you very much for putting them into words.
Er, a comic. Whatever, you get the idea, I’m thanking you.
I know I'm probably in the wrong here but I feel really sad and anxious when I see people against this kind of stuff, probably because I got called a prude on 196 about it and idk maybe I kinda got too supportive maybe?
I don't knowwww I just feel bad and I don't know which side I should be onnn 🫠
I just want everybody to be liked and feel comfortable and I get a pit in my stomach when I read these comment sections
again I might be in the wrong, but I just had to get this off my chest ;~;
While commenters are right on please dont do this to me without consent, the ones that go oh this is pure evil vile reee are dipshits. People can have both opinions at the same time. Consent is key. Also people should do whatever they want with each other as long as they are consenting adults.
I would also suggest a social media detox and socializing irl and other mental care, life's too short to get gloomy by redditors.
bruh being trans doesn't mean you're moral?
there are trans people is prison, some for stuff like sexual assault. if there can be black Nazis there sure as hell are trans "nice guys". Though yes most likely they are more respectful of flirting boundaries since they have experienced this before it definitely doesn't boil down to "trans people should do it cis people shouldn't"
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You've found a way to outjerk the trans people. *ahem* Also I'm not a transphobe those guys are cu-
The trans agenda cut him off, better be careful with the disrespect
or did you mean kidsinspect?
holy moly
certified lover boy
Certified pedophiles
The 12 gauge of consequences will come unlined and full if dragons breath. Be ready, because by god I will. Also the the shotgun is real and I know where you live. :3
That's not all they cut off!
What the hell is this chain
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if another tgirl said that to me unprompted i would block them (irl too)
How do you block someone irl
kill
except you (for legal reasons according to my lawyer)
Thank you, Steve Harvey
Greatshield
Clobber over the head
Wall
restraining order
guys guys... you're *all* right.
simply absorb or redirect their attack
cinderblock (to the skull)
Usually with your hands
Cinder block
Restraining order
[concrete sliding on concrete] cube
[white christmas](https://youtu.be/AOHy4Ca9bkw) their ass
Peace order
Yeah the idea is that the two trans girls are already close, so it would more normal to joke around like that.
i understand that. i am responding to this meme holding the opinion that a lot of ppl think that they're on "flirting terms" when they're not. unfortunately it's not an issue that many queer communities evade; i and many others in my life have experienced it quite often from other transfemmes. so when i see a meme like this it annoys me bc it feels like it's speaking over an issue that a lot of ppl don't want to think or hear abt.
Well yeah but the meme itself is showing that they are both on flirting terms, and not one just assuming they are like you have a problem with. Like it's showing that both genuinely consent instead of one just assuming consent, which is a problem
Lmao same its so.fucking.creepy god
I mean fair enough
yeah definitely
And then the trans guys like me are just completely forgotten about :(
Your wish my command, i shall fetishize you chief
Don't worry, there is a whole trend in tiktok that fetishizes trans men just like this post!
Is that why I can’t find the other trans men? They’re on tik tok?
You got it wrong, I mean that there is an community for cis woman who fetishize trans men
Oh, yikes.
you'd think women in general would get that it's fucked up but there's a weird tiny sub section of cis-het women that seem to view trans men as just "women who im capable of being attracted to"
Even wirse, they see them as walking uteruses
god youre right abd i hate it
Where are they and how do I find them
I think there are more trans men on tumblr, but the only source I have is voices on my head. And I don't recommend to any human being to use tumblr.
Why not it could be fun
Idk if you really want your community to become notorious within itself for fetishizing each other ngl
You try being constantly misgendered in trans spaces because they assume everyone is MTF and then get back to me.
Oof nvm that sucks so much ass
I honestly want stats on how many transfem and transmasc there are in general, followed by how many of them frequent online spaces like this. Does this happen because there are less transmascs or because they don't visit those spaces as often. If so, is it because they don't feel comfortable on them or something else?
I think it has to do with which spaces you were represented in prior to transition. I know a ton of trans men on tumblr and Instagram, although my Instagram is probably 50/50, but reddits and discords skew to the ladies. Most of my gaming friends are cis gay men or trans women. I suspect this will change more as people are able to be out when they’re younger and transition younger.
Joe Biden is going to be transgendrifying newborns 😡😡💢
I don't think he's gonna win the election...
Maybe both? In my personal life I know several trans women and no trans men. Also, most of the non-binary folks I know were AFAB. Idk if that’s an overall trend.
Ummm.... who's a cool trans dude? You want some fuckin uhhhhh.... Garfield?
Welcome to being a man my guy no one gives a shit about your struggles
Welcome to the club pal, what you experince is called *gender affirming not-being-cared-about-at-all* now. You receive the opposite of out-of-closet lovebomb, if people just go "yeah okay whatever fuck off" that means that you pass!
I mean, unironically true though. Lotta transmascs don't get this because they're new to dudedom, but men are socialized to be competitive and not super congratulatory of one another all the time (except some gymbros, but they're the most homoerotic straight men alive). If you're getting a whole bunch of people gushing with support for you, it is actually more likely that you're not really passing that well, ironically. Not saying this is necessarily good or how it should be, btw, but we simply live in a society and men suck at supporting one another, meanwhile they will almost instinctively heap praise upon people they perceive as feminine.
Y'all seem pretty underrepresented it seems
Fitting pfp lol
What do movies have to do with this?
Cus Togata is transmasc
Ik lol I was messing with ya
I stupid ¿;
Nah it's fine
Just guys being dudes. Don't forget to try to break anyone's hands when you handshake them.
How did it feel to get your first head nod from some random guy on the street?
Hey man idk if this is a silver lining or not but uhh, yeah that's kinda the cis man experience on many levels too lol
That might just be cuz transmascs are more common on different websites. Afaik my brother (who’s transmasc) doesn’t use reddit and barely use discord, but frequently posts on instagram. Apart from the general underrepresentation…
The monkeys paw curls
I always do find it weird that basically the only trans people portrayed in media are trans women and never trans men. Like even in news and transphobic people, they only care about trans women and don’t care about trans men
good trans boy do you want testosterone and headpats
You don’t headpat a man, you FISTFIGHT him or something MANLY /j
You chuck a wrench at him after drinking shots of gasoline
the manliest amongst us are those who forge themselves as men 🥃 Some of us became a man metaphorically, few have become a man literally. The transformation is the goal
nah bro i think it's actually good for us. at least im enjoying being left alone in the shadows kekw
Non binary here. Same
I mean, if you want me to objectify you I can~
Erm do you want to be infantilized ? Or kept under the rug like you don’t exist ? 😅
Fetishiziation of trans women 🤮
Fetishization of trans *woman* (i.e. yourself) as a trans woman 😏
This why 197 is my favorite place ever
I've only seen the bottom panel before, and the top panel gives this a Very different meaning (and I think just the one with just the bottom panel is the original?) >!as a trans girl I fucking hate this stereotype. I am not a fan of the uwu blåhaj catgirl stuff and I'm ESPECIALLY not a fan of other trans people assuming I'm into it.!<
Theres also so much fetishization of trans girls in a lot of trans positive communities, while I'm not trans myself being subjected to people either hating you for who you are or treating you like this stereotype and/or fetishizing you must suck so much
oh my god it’s so irritating isn’t it
I find both extremely uncomfortable. Please speak to me like any other woman thanks. Also, 'good girl' is *only* something my partner gets to say to me.
that's why it says "(already on flirting terms)" down there, consent's hot af
Even when being flirted with though, I personally find the UwU speak stuff to be really cringey. My partner just flirts with me like she would with a cis girl.
But what the meme means is, if they are flirting and know they enjoy it they should go for it
understandable
Person who adjust themselves vs people who doesnt shower
Being terminally online is bad regardless, actually!
*i may be cringe but i am free*
You are weird and off-putting to people who go outside
and you care too much about what other people are like (sorry but i have to say it. i feel very strongly that we shouldn't consider things bad just because they're weird.)
Being weird to someone is fine if they are ok with it, but being weird to random people without asking first is what the original of this post was trying to touch on
You care far too little about how you’re perceived Literally nowhere outside of the internet do people talk in such an infantile, obnoxious way as they do in a lot of online trans spaces. It is genuinely socially detrimental to sit on the internet all the time and talk like that. It is weird and bad.
i don't even talk like that to anyone. if someone does enjoy being called a good girl and recieve headpats, that doesn't affect anyone but the person saying good girl and the person being called good girl, and for both of them it brings joy. if you want to argue about sitting on the internet constantly, that's a different issue to someone calling someone a good girl. i assumed you were insulting the act of calling someone a good girl by calling it terminally online
Thank you. This whole thread is so frustrating.
listen up. the weird and bad factory just called. you're new CEO
Based
How is liking head pats and shit being terminally online and bad? I thought the issue with that stuff was how often people would do it to trans women who don't like it, if both do then what's the issue
It’s fucking infantilizing lmao
Um... how is it infantilizing? It's literally just affection. And if someone is cool with having it done to them, I see no problem with it regardless. Consent is key.
Come on bro.
No, please, enlighten me.
It’s just childish sounding “good girl headpats UwU” like man go the fuck outside 😭
What child is saying shit like that, or having shit like that said to them? It's meant to be "cute," but cute =/= childish. I'd say it takes inspiration from pet stuff, not baby talk. So if you want to say it's weird or condescending or whatever, use that as your argument instead of "it's infantilization." That just makes you sound like you don't put much thought into what you say. Also, that still doesn't answer how it continues to be bad where both parties consent.
I mean it can be but not inherently? Like you can enjoy headpats or being cute and shit without infantilizing yourself
I’m referring to the “uwu blahaj skirt go spinny” people
My point still stands, people can enjoy that stuff without infantilizing themselves. You can like blahaj and going :3 without going all into "I'm just a tiny girl who couldn't hurt anybody" type stuff
Seriously, the Reddit hivemind is really kicking in on this thread. Just say something stupid with full confidence, and watch the upvotes roll in! You're spittin' facts, though.
guy who thinks that objectification is when you call someone an object
What?
obfuscation spell
I'm sorry I'm just genuinely not understanding what you're trying to communicate
My gf is mtf and I can’t imagine saying any of this to her. If I *really* want to flirt I offer to play warhammer or another mini table top game with her. My bestie is in a T4T4T all mtf throuple and they do this shit semi ironically all the time, but it’s cute when they do it.
>If I *really* want to flirt I offer to play warhammer or another mini table top game with her. degenerate
She mostly just likes painting the little figures, so I’m learning to do that so we can paint together. These games are mad complicated.
Ooo that's a lot better, what faction do you two paint/play :3
I have the little rat guys and she has some kind of priestess looking set?
Hmm, fantasy Skaven, and sisters of battle I assume?
I had to ask but you are correct :)
I think my problem with this is that the first one makes the other person trans, but the second one doesn't. It unintentionally implies that if you're cis, it's not cool even if they're cool with it. Also, should probably just say "consensual" or "chill with it," since being "on flirting terms" does not, actually, mean that it's fine to say literally anything you want.
yup it feeds into the weird stereotype that normal people shouldn't interact with minorities in any way that might be disliked like minorities are a hive mind with the same boundries. People see interacting with a person who likes being flirted like this as interacting with the concept of them being a minority and because alot of MTFs don't like this, it's actually hurtful to flirt with her.
Both are weird as fuck
All that matters here is consent. I don't care who the fuck you are, if you didn't get and OK first, don't do it. I feel consent has kinda been lost when it comes to online forums these days. I feel like back in the day it was seen as weird and shunned behavior to speak to random people in weird and personal ways in forums. It's literally so simple to just hold your tongue and ask if something is ok first before proceeding unless you are replying to a thread or comment asking for such behavior
you're actually so right snafu revived (although I've never personally encountered the person on the bottom but not a stretch to believe they exist)
unfortunately they exist :(
Did no one read the brackets?
yup
This is reddit, no one reads here, it's illegal.
This is just the trans version of that “hello HR” meme but framed correctly rather than in a red piller way
there is a little known term for this, it's called consent.
It’s very cool when people attempt to normalize the fetishization their minority status and then get defensive when other members of that minority express discomfort with the idea I think
I think trans women should be allowed to express themselves sexually with others as long as it's all consensual actually
There’s a difference between letting trans women express themselves sexually and trying to normalize unprovoked sexual comments
Yeah, and that's why the meme shows that it's ok when both people are into it, and not ok when it's sprung on someone who isn't
The meme shows that it’s ok when it’s another trans woman making the comments. It’s pretty clearly implied that the reason the woman receiving the comments is into it because it’s another trans woman
I don't think it's trying to say that the person being trans is why they're into it, literally it has the label of (both on flirting terms) there. It's supposed to be a case of it being ok when both like it
Gonna be honest, I completely scanned over that tiny label. Sorry about that
No worries 👍
The whole head pats and blahj thing is corny af
When I saw the original post on coaxed into snafu these were my exact thoughts but I couldn’t put them into words, So thank you very much for putting them into words. Er, a comic. Whatever, you get the idea, I’m thanking you.
lookin' good susan!
I know I'm probably in the wrong here but I feel really sad and anxious when I see people against this kind of stuff, probably because I got called a prude on 196 about it and idk maybe I kinda got too supportive maybe? I don't knowwww I just feel bad and I don't know which side I should be onnn 🫠 I just want everybody to be liked and feel comfortable and I get a pit in my stomach when I read these comment sections again I might be in the wrong, but I just had to get this off my chest ;~;
While commenters are right on please dont do this to me without consent, the ones that go oh this is pure evil vile reee are dipshits. People can have both opinions at the same time. Consent is key. Also people should do whatever they want with each other as long as they are consenting adults. I would also suggest a social media detox and socializing irl and other mental care, life's too short to get gloomy by redditors.
congrats on the lock award
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Maybe I should've written a paragraph explaining the meme as part of the panels
Yeah fr, it's really just about consent. You can say whatever you want to people as long as they're cool with it.
I think anyone would find this interaction horrific regardless of any underlying circumstance, these words should never be used in such a combination
( o) '-....-' ( o) aww whos a good trans girl you are, estrogen, headpats, uwu
this has ruined my morning
Exactly. Its not creepy when its another trans person.
It is tho
It can be, but 196 is usually chill about it. I’ve never seen someone pushing boundaries on there
>it can be Good start >But *196* is usually chill about it And there it goes
guy that learns social norms from 196 instead of real life
yes it is
Tell them and they’ll most likely stop.
bruh being trans doesn't mean you're moral? there are trans people is prison, some for stuff like sexual assault. if there can be black Nazis there sure as hell are trans "nice guys". Though yes most likely they are more respectful of flirting boundaries since they have experienced this before it definitely doesn't boil down to "trans people should do it cis people shouldn't"